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Moses Was a Muslim Who Led Palestinian Muslims Out of Egypt. No Joke.
Algemeiner ^ | 4-10-12 | David Ha'ivri

Posted on 04/12/2012 5:02:22 AM PDT by SJackson

A few years ago, while visiting the Temple Mount in Jerusalem, I had a very disturbing conversation with a member of the Islamic Wakf who was escorting me to make sure that I didn’t pray on the holy mountain. I asked him if he could tell me when the Al Aqsa mosque was built. He looked at me with a straight face and responded that it was always there. I hadn’t expected that, and of course was surprised and asked him again. I thought that maybe he didn’t understand my question and meant that the mountain was always there. So I asked again, and made it clear that I meant the mosque that is located on the southern extension of the Temple Mount that was built by Herod. (Historically, the entire platform that the Al Aqsa mosque is built on didn’t even exist during the time of the first Temple.)

It turned out that this “learned” member of the Islamic clergy, whose job is to work on the Temple Mount, actually believed that the structure of the Al Aqsa mosque was just there – from the beginning of time.

This conversation was a great help to me in understanding the Muslim Arab mindset and culture. Facts are not really so important to them. They can be made up or even changed as needed.

You don’t need to take my word for it. Go to youtube and search for this: “Moses was a Muslim who led Palestinian Muslims out of Egypt.” You will see that Islamic clergy are teaching this concept without blinking an eye. They are totally convinced that all of the Israelite heroes of the Bible were actually Muslims. This is the new replacement theology. The idea is not only Holocaust denial like what is heard from the leaders of the Islamic regime in Iran. They now deny (or co-opt) all the foundational points of Jewish history.

Their strategy is to question or outright deny the most basic historical facts – like claiming that the Jews are not the direct descendants and surviving remnant of the children of Israel who were led out of Egypt by Moses and led into the land under Joshua. If you see the video, you will learn that King David too was a Muslim who defeated the mighty Goliath.

For all whose goal is to bring stability to this region, it is important to understand the rhetoric of those who oppose Israel as part of their religion. Understand that we are dealing with people who celebrate being detached from reality as part of their worship of Allah.

There might be those who fear that this realization would force us to give up all hope of bringing about a deal for lasting peace between Israel and its Arab neighbors. I suggest the opposite. We must realize and accept our neighbors for who they are and recognize their culture as a given. It is unrealistic, in my opinion, to believe that we can turn the Arabs into a society that that truly embraces western concepts and values – like facts and sticking to truth. It makes much more sense to understand that fantasy and stretching the truth are very deeply embedded in the mindset of the Muslim and Arab culture. I do not mean to say this as an insult, but to suggest that we accept it as a fact, take it as it is and move on.

I believe that there is hope for peace in the Middle East – not because the Arabs love us or are about to become Zionists. There is hope for peace because the Jews are a peace loving people and G-d gave us the brains and physical means to protect out borders and our nation. The Arabs can believe whatever they like – as long as they know that they can’t overrun us. If they could they would.


TOPICS: Israel; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: egypt; exodus; godsgravesglyphs; holocaustdenial; israelfinkelstein; moses; religionofpeace; religionofpieces; ronpaul

1 posted on 04/12/2012 5:02:25 AM PDT by SJackson
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To: SJackson
Their strategy is to question or outright deny the most basic historical facts

Reminds me of the democrats and anyone who support them.

2 posted on 04/12/2012 5:05:31 AM PDT by The Sons of Liberty (Psalm 109:8 Let his days be few and let another take his office. - Mene, Mene, Tekel, Upharsin)
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To: SJackson

and thus this “scholar” believes that Abraham took Isaac into a mosque to sacrifice him to allah ....


3 posted on 04/12/2012 5:07:20 AM PDT by silverleaf (Funny how all the people who are for abortion are already born)
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To: SJackson

“Facts are not really so important to them. They can be made up or even changed as needed.”

..uhm...who else that we know of that does the same thing....oh yes - Commissar Obama and his administration...

Islam has been dime’d out - with the Internet - knowledgeable people can readily share stories as such and learn way Islam in it’s total form - or any form - is incompatible with Western societies...

...and yet we are suppose to look the other way - not say anything for fear of being called some name or label...

but it’s okay for them to stand up - yell offenses - and spread terror - it’s their right...

Great Post! - Woke me up better than the 2 cups of coffee I just downed!


4 posted on 04/12/2012 5:08:56 AM PDT by BCW (http://babylonscovertwar.com/index.html)
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5 posted on 04/12/2012 5:13:56 AM PDT by SJackson (As a black man, you know, Barack could get shot going to the gas station, M Obama)
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To: SJackson
The Arabs can believe whatever they like – as long as they know that they can’t overrun us. If they could they would.

If the Arabs were disarmed today, there would be peace in the middle east. If Israel were disarmed today, the Arabs would destroy them.

6 posted on 04/12/2012 5:14:25 AM PDT by Graybeard58 (Haggai 1, V6.. and he that earneth wages earneth wages to put it into a bag with holes. (My plight))
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To: SJackson
"Moses was a Muslim" makes a little bit of sense when you take into account that "Muslim" does not mean "follower of Mohammed", but "servant of God". So, by that definition you can make that argument.

It helps to understand the Arab mindset when you realize that his lying to you with a straight face is his way of saying "screw you". It is also his way of saving face. An Arab will go to great lengths to avoid "losing face". Arabs are part of a "shame culture", as distinct from the Western "guilt culture". Dr Sanity had a good article on the concept. I used to have a better article, but I've misplaced the link to it somewhere.

7 posted on 04/12/2012 5:16:33 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act. - George Orwell)
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To: SJackson

They are so delusional....evil incarnate


8 posted on 04/12/2012 5:24:29 AM PDT by Nifster
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To: SJackson
You don’t need to take my word for it. Go to youtube and search

Uh yeah, great source.

9 posted on 04/12/2012 5:30:08 AM PDT by SouthTexas (You cannot bargain with the devil, shut the government down.)
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To: SJackson

IOW, just more evidence of what we already knew: Muslims are jaw-droppingly stupid.


10 posted on 04/12/2012 5:31:37 AM PDT by RightOnline (I am Andrew Breitbart!)
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To: SJackson

Indeed.
Two Christmases ago, the residents of Broward County were subjected to a CAIR advertising campaign on our PUBLIC BUSES, that declared that Abraham, Moses, and Jesus were MUSLIMS. There was a grassroots movement to have the signs removed, but stayed up through the holidays. Grrrrrrr.


11 posted on 04/12/2012 5:44:08 AM PDT by left that other site
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To: SJackson

I don’t think there will be any muslim names in the Book of Life. Either that, or Jesus is going to get tired of running out of erasers.


12 posted on 04/12/2012 5:45:13 AM PDT by mardi59 ( Go Newt!!)
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To: SJackson

It’s a little know fact that Isaac and Esau were scientologists and Ruth was into Wicca


13 posted on 04/12/2012 5:46:13 AM PDT by muir_redwoods (I like Obamacare because Granny signed the will and I need the cash)
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To: SJackson

Great article. Just goes to show you...Islam *is* anti-Christ.


14 posted on 04/12/2012 5:54:31 AM PDT by babyfreep
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To: SJackson

A Muslim leader who lived 2300 years before the Prophet Mohammed? Muslims apparently invented the Flux Capacitor as well.


15 posted on 04/12/2012 6:12:18 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Buckeye McFrog

That may be one of the greatest comebacks ever....cheers!


16 posted on 04/12/2012 6:19:19 AM PDT by Maverick68
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To: SJackson
I saw this show one time that investigated some black religious center in America (can't remember the city.) The leaders in this place basically taught that every important person in western civilization was actually black. George Washington, Lincoln, Jefferson, Henry VIII, Napoleon, Alexander The Great, all blacks. Didn't look black you say? That's cause they were partly black then. The evil people in history were all white. Oh, and blacks were the original inventors of everything. Electricity, steam power, algebra, all invented by blacks long before the white people stole everything and started erasing the black man's history. They pointed to medieval paintings in which all the skin paint had the look of black people as proof. (This was evidence that white people had forgotten to destroy.)

All I remember about the show was that it involved a thin man wearing glasses, whom I believe was British, traveling to America to investigate racism. There were other shows as well. One was about gun laws.

17 posted on 04/12/2012 6:23:47 AM PDT by servo1969
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To: SJackson

I can attest to this. (Maybe foolishly) I have been engaging muzzies in a Facebook forum. They are so wildly insane it’s hard to believe.


18 posted on 04/12/2012 6:27:54 AM PDT by vanilla swirl (searching for something meaningfull to say)
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To: vanilla swirl

It’s pretty hard to find common ground with people who’s very religion teaches them that you do not exist.


19 posted on 04/12/2012 6:35:46 AM PDT by servo1969
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To: Graybeard58

The middle east is more like prison. Take away their weapons and they’ll just resort to shivs. The only way Muslims will live together in peace is when they are unified against Israel.


20 posted on 04/12/2012 6:47:17 AM PDT by Marko413
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To: SJackson
This conversation was a great help to me in understanding the Muslim Arab mindset and culture. Facts are not really so important to them. They can be made up or even changed as needed.

... we are dealing with people who celebrate being detached from reality as part of their worship of Allah.

It is unrealistic, in my opinion, to believe that we can turn the Arabs into a society that that truly embraces western concepts and values – like facts and sticking to truth. It makes much more sense to understand that fantasy and stretching the truth are very deeply embedded in the mindset of the Muslim and Arab culture.

These are excellent points and, from living in the Middle East, all too true.

Read them in terms of our own Muslim-in-chief and it provides very good insight into how he is able to spout lies and half-truths without batting an eye - it's part of his culture and mindset.

21 posted on 04/12/2012 7:04:43 AM PDT by jda ("Righteousness exalts a nation . . .")
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To: SJackson

"muslim stuff"
22 posted on 04/12/2012 7:19:06 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: SJackson
Middle Eastern Muslims are generally ignorant, totally uneducated and often inbred as well.

The story of the Jordanian tanks is indicative. The U.S. sold some tanks to Jordan. A representative from the U.S. was sent to hand deliver the tanks and help train tank crews in their use.

He off-loaded the tanks and lined them up across a designated area at the Jordanian airport. Eventually, enlisted men straggled in to report for duty as tank crews. The U.S. rep was about to hand out user manuals for the tanks when a Jordanian officer stopped him.

"Don't bother with that," he said. "None of these men can read."

23 posted on 04/12/2012 7:21:15 AM PDT by Dr. Thorne
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To: The Sons of Liberty
Any differences between democrats, muslims, communists or tyrants is becoming ever increasingly blurred.

Just like the “coalitions” put together by Hitler in early Nazism, some of the democrats, muslims or communists are going to have a rude awakening.

24 posted on 04/12/2012 7:43:02 AM PDT by X-spurt (Its time for ON YOUR FEET or on your knees)
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To: PapaBear3625

There is a religious basis for this as well. The doctrine of supersession has an effect. Under this doctrine later verses in the Koran may ‘supercede’ earlier verses that the later verses directly contradict. But because both are the divine word of Allah, they are both equally true. Thus, the Muslim can accept contradictions without blinking an eye. This goes a ways towards understanding why they accept what is arrant nonsense to the western mind.


25 posted on 04/12/2012 8:11:10 AM PDT by 17th Miss Regt
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To: silverleaf

they actually believe that Abraham took Ishmael for the sacrifice. Total replacement theology.


26 posted on 04/12/2012 8:11:25 AM PDT by richardtavor
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To: richardtavor

idiots like this weasel would still have to “believe” this event happened in a mosque, not a rock on top of Mt Moriah


27 posted on 04/12/2012 8:24:26 AM PDT by silverleaf (Funny how all the people who are for abortion are already born)
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To: 17th Miss Regt
There is a religious basis for this as well. The doctrine of supersession has an effect. Under this doctrine later verses in the Koran may ‘supercede’ earlier verses that the later verses directly contradict.

The Quran is really two volumes, one part written in Mecca (the "peace and love" volume) and one in Medina (the "slay the infidels" volume). If you look at a chapter (called surah), it says at the top either "Revealed At: MADINA" or Revealed At: MAKKA , with the Medina verses superseding the Mecca verses.

What happened in between is that (after his much-older wealthy wife died) Mo had been rejected by the pagans and Jews in Mecca, he fled with his followers to Medina, and started an alternate career as a caravan robber, which suited him better than his earlier career as gigolo.

28 posted on 04/12/2012 8:26:50 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act. - George Orwell)
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To: Dr. Thorne
The U.S. rep was about to hand out user manuals for the tanks when a Jordanian officer stopped him. "Don't bother with that," he said. "None of these men can read."

The real explanation is that, regardless of the literacy or lack thereof of the enlisted men, the officer wanted control over the knowledge.

Giving the men the manuals would mean that the men could look things up for themselves, which might contradict what the officer said and cause him to lose face. Having the officer be the source of all information and teaching means he retains face and gains status.

Having worked at a defense contractor supplying technology to the Saudis, my experience was that the officers were arrogant, egotistical, lazy and stupid. The NCOs weren't that bad.

29 posted on 04/12/2012 8:33:03 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act. - George Orwell)
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To: SJackson

The Al Aqsa Squatter’s Camp should be gone in good time.


30 posted on 04/12/2012 8:47:22 AM PDT by jimfree (In Nov 2012 my 11 y/o granddaughter will have more relevant executive experience than Barack Obama)
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31 posted on 04/12/2012 9:16:59 AM PDT by TheOldLady (FReepmail me to get ON or OFF the ZOT LIGHTNING ping list)
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To: SJackson
Didn't Moses predate Jesus and Mohammad?
32 posted on 04/12/2012 12:41:24 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (The Global Warming HOAX is about Global Governance)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks SJackson.


33 posted on 04/12/2012 8:44:24 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (FReepathon 2Q time -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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Thanks SJackson. Yeah, and Rachel's Tomb has always been a mosque. And there was never any construction on the Temple Mount prior to the Dome of the Rock. To all -- please ping me to other topics which are appropriate for the GGG list.


34 posted on 04/12/2012 9:46:06 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (FReepathon 2Q time -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: servo1969

This is Afro-centrism, which was called “voodoo anthropology” by none other than Louis Gates. I think he has tried to scrub this aspect of his work from the Net because it made so many people unhappy.


35 posted on 04/12/2012 9:56:15 PM PDT by firebrand
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To: SJackson; SunkenCiv

This is nothing new. Back in the late eighties I applied for a job at a Muslim publisher (didn’t realize until I got there) and he told me about a book they published that propounds this theory. He sounded as if he might believe it.

It’s worse than replacement theology. Awful as it is, replacement theology doesn’t say the people in the “Old Testament” were actually Christians.


36 posted on 04/12/2012 10:06:58 PM PDT by firebrand
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To: SJackson

I can see it now: National Treasure III - The Masons were Muslims!


37 posted on 04/12/2012 10:09:48 PM PDT by Fledermaus (Democrats are dangerous and evil. Republicans are just useless.)
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To: SJackson
It turned out that this “learned” member of the Islamic clergy, whose job is to work on the Temple Mount, actually believed that the structure of the Al Aqsa mosque was just there – from the beginning of time.

38 posted on 04/13/2012 4:38:49 AM PDT by Condor51 (Yo Hoffa, so you want to 'take out conservatives'. Well okay Jr - I'm your Huckleberry)
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To: SJackson

The best defense is a good offense. And no one ever won a war fought purely on the defensive.

Don’t really want to sound like a warmonger, but unless the Arabs are punished, as a people, for each act of aggression, they will continue to the End of Days.


39 posted on 04/13/2012 6:11:17 AM PDT by chesley (Eat what you want, and die like a man. Never trust anyone who hasn't been punched in the face)
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To: SJackson

“He’s crazy, Lou.” — Jimmy Stewart to Richard Attenborough, ‘Flight of the Phoenix.’


40 posted on 04/13/2012 6:15:53 AM PDT by pabianice (ame with)
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To: SJackson

In other FR articles I have read about Iranians who are secretly dumping Islam and becoming Christian. I think there may be more people over there who are tired of the craziness and ready for reality. I think we should be supporting the missionaries to help them. Not that the whole place could turn around, but at least some of them could get some relief from this.


41 posted on 04/13/2012 9:16:22 AM PDT by married21 (As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.)
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To: onedoug

lol


42 posted on 04/13/2012 4:40:49 PM PDT by DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis
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To: left that other site

Sharpies run a buck or so. Just saying.


43 posted on 04/13/2012 4:46:26 PM PDT by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: Lurker

Hey Muzzies also think that Alexander the Great also known as Dhul-Qarnayn (in Arabic ذو القرنين, literally “The Two-Horned One” is a prophet of Islam. The two horned business comes from Egyptian made coins where Alexander was shown in Amon-Ra format hence the two horns.


44 posted on 04/13/2012 4:57:41 PM PDT by Reily
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To: Lurker

Spray Paint is cheap and since I am over 18, shall have no restrictions on purchasing same. :-)


45 posted on 04/13/2012 6:03:21 PM PDT by left that other site
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