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Prosecutors Face Hurdles in Zimmerman Case
newsmax ^ | 4/12/12

Posted on 04/12/2012 5:14:55 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper

After an extraordinary public campaign to make an arrest in the shooting of an unarmed black teen, a Florida prosecutor came back with a murder charge in the case that has galvanized the nation for weeks.

But prosecutors face steep hurdles to win a second-degree murder conviction against neighborhood watch volunteer George Zimmerman in the killing of Trayvon Martin, experts say. They will have to prove Zimmerman intentionally went after Martin instead of shooting him in self-defense, refute arguments that a Florida law empowered him to use deadly force and get past a judge's ruling at a pretrial hearing.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: blackkk; florida; georgezimmerman; race; trayvonmartin
Pitiful.
1 posted on 04/12/2012 5:15:01 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: SoFloFreeper
and get past a judge's ruling at a pretrial hearing.

Do we know for a fact whether there will be a prelimenary hearing? This is where a judge decides if there is enough evidence to support binding the case over for trial.

2 posted on 04/12/2012 5:18:57 AM PDT by umgud (No Rats, No Rino's)
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To: SoFloFreeper

The fact that he was following Trayvon (at least for a time), does not necessarily show any intent to do violence.


3 posted on 04/12/2012 5:21:49 AM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: SoFloFreeper

The prosecutor kniqa damn well that Zimmerman will never be found guilty of the charge but she took the easy, cowardly way out in order to avoid black reprisals. Pass the buck!


4 posted on 04/12/2012 5:25:50 AM PDT by New Jersey Realist (America: home of the free because of the brave)
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To: SoFloFreeper

I thought it was interesting how many times the special prosecutor said “justice for Trayvon” in the press conference. Only one reference at the end that justice for the defendant. Made me think this woman was assigned and felt she had no (safe) choice but to bring a charge (effectively punting to the Judge.)


5 posted on 04/12/2012 5:26:21 AM PDT by IamConservative (Shall I try and perhaps fail or shall I do nothing without fail?)
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To: SoFloFreeper

The prosecutor “knows” damn well that Zimmerman will never be found guilty of the charge but she took the easy, cowardly way out in order to avoid black reprisals. Pass the buck!


6 posted on 04/12/2012 5:26:37 AM PDT by New Jersey Realist (America: home of the free because of the brave)
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To: SoFloFreeper

I have read that Zimmerman had a broken nose, lacerations on the back of his head and that Martin had scuffed knuckles. I suspect that Zimmerman is trusting this (if it is all true)to show self-defense.


7 posted on 04/12/2012 5:26:39 AM PDT by originalbuckeye
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To: SoFloFreeper

They don’t face any hurdle, a jury will convict to appease just like the “special” prosecutor did by bringing charges and smiling all over herself at the same time.
There will be a conviction.


8 posted on 04/12/2012 5:27:22 AM PDT by snarkytart (http://www.freerepubli224%2C1)
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To: SoFloFreeper
From the article:

Corey would not discuss how she reconciled conflicting accounts of the shooting by Zimmerman, witnesses and phone recordings that indicated Martin thought Zimmerman was following him.

"We do not prosecute by public pressure or by petition. We prosecute based on the facts on any given case as well as the laws of the state of Florida," Corey said.

Oh really!?

9 posted on 04/12/2012 5:27:51 AM PDT by The_Victor (If all I want is a warm feeling, I should just wet my pants.)
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To: SoFloFreeper

Let’s have a ‘fair trial’, then hang that cracker..... Sarc..

“A handful of protesters gathered outside the Duval County Courthouse in Jacksonville, where Ms. Corey announced the charge. One of them, Linda Dawson, didn’t think the second-degree charge was strong enough.

“We’re just glad that he’s behind bars, BUT WE’RE NOT SATISFIED,” said Ms. Dawson, executive director of Hurting Families With Children In Crime, a Jacksonville nonprofit. The turnout was lighter than expected, but that was because Mr. Zimmerman was charged, Ms. Dawson said, adding, “There would’ve been a riot if they wouldn’t have arrested him.”

Aaron Brown, a civil-litigation lawyer who organized a Trayvon Martin rally last month in Jacksonville, said the case is now “justice delivered, but not yet justice served.”

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702304356604577337892597447300.html


10 posted on 04/12/2012 5:27:51 AM PDT by KeyLargo
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To: IamConservative

Thank you for posting this. I noticed the very same things.


11 posted on 04/12/2012 5:31:02 AM PDT by lonestar (It takes a village of idiots to elect a village idiot.)
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To: SoFloFreeper

The 911 tapes will exonerate Zimmerman on this charge.

1. His clear intent was to alert police of the presence of a suspicious person.

2. He was following to keep him in sight.

3. Even the other phone calls on MArtin’s end shows that Zimmerman was only inquiring as to MArtin’s reason for being there.

So far, there has been NO EVIDENCE that he intended to hurt Martin.

There must be a lot more evidence out there that isn’t public because I don’t see they can come close to murder #2.


12 posted on 04/12/2012 5:32:37 AM PDT by Bryan24 (When in doubt, move to the right..........)
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To: KeyLargo
My 2 cents worth. Does Florida have an involuntary manslaughter charge on the books? If so I see a plea bargain to that charge.
13 posted on 04/12/2012 5:34:59 AM PDT by eastforker (Don't be ornery for Romney, instead Root for Newt!)
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To: SoFloFreeper

I think they are charging with 2nd degree hoping he’ll plead out to involuntary manslaughter.


14 posted on 04/12/2012 5:35:14 AM PDT by autumnraine (America how long will you be so deaf and dumb to the tumbril wheels carrying you to the guillotine?)
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To: umgud
Do we know for a fact whether there will be a prelimenary hearing? This is where a judge decides if there is enough evidence to support binding the case over for trial

There will be a pre-trial hearing and this is where the 'Stand Your Ground' law will be invoked. The judge will ask for a plea and Zimmerman will plea 'Stand Your Ground' instead of Guilty/Not guilty.

The judge will then hold a hearing where the Defense will file for Dismissal on the basis of 'Stand Your Ground' and the Prosecuters will present their evidence to the contrary (if there is any).

The judge will the rule that the shooting was justified or he will rule that there is sufficient evidence to proceed to trial.

15 posted on 04/12/2012 5:37:43 AM PDT by commish (Freedom tastes sweetest to those who have fought to preserve it.)
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To: SoFloFreeper

If I got on the jury, it’d be an OJ thang for me....scot damn free....


16 posted on 04/12/2012 5:39:45 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: SoFloFreeper

Galvanized? More like polarized.


17 posted on 04/12/2012 5:40:44 AM PDT by refermech
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To: autumnraine

there is zero chance that a jury will unamimously convict Zimmerman of 2nd degree murder.

Zimmerman should take any plee offer and shove it up Sharpton’s back side!


18 posted on 04/12/2012 5:42:04 AM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Go Newt!)
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To: smokingfrog
The fact that he was following Trayvon (at least for a time), does not necessarily show any intent to do violence.

The fact the he CALLED 911 and stayed on the phone with them as he was following Martin proves exactly that he did NOT intend to do violence. 'Hey 911 please send the police I'm about to track down and kill someone". Yeah right. On this alone he should have never been charged with 2nd degree murder. This is a farce.
19 posted on 04/12/2012 5:44:08 AM PDT by over3Owithabrain
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To: commish

In my opinion the pretrial should have been done before he was arrested.

There was zero reason to arrest this man before the pretrial.


20 posted on 04/12/2012 5:44:13 AM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Go Newt!)
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To: eastforker

Florida manslaughter law. Florida Involuntary Manslaughter Laws
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Overview of Florida Involuntary Manslaughter Laws

When a homicide, the killing of a human being, does not meet the legal definition of murder, Florida state laws allow a prosecutor to consider a manslaughter charge. The state establishes two types of manslaughter: voluntary and involuntary. While voluntary manslaughter describes an intentional act performed during a provocation or heat of passion, involuntary manslaughter does not require an intent to kill or even an intent to perform that act resulting in the victim’s death.

To establish involuntary manslaughter, the prosecutor must show that the defendant acted with “culpable negligence.” Florida statutes define culpable negligence as a disregard for human life while engaging in wanton or reckless behavior. The state may be able to prove involuntary manslaughter by showing the defendant’s recklessness or lack of care when handling a dangerous instrument or weapon, or while engaging in a range of other activities that could lead to death if performed recklessly.

Example: If the defendant handles a loaded gun without any knowledge of whether the gun is loaded, and he later discharges the gun into a group of people, the defendant’s actions likely meet the recklessness requirement for a charge of involuntary manslaughter.

Florida state laws also establish involuntary manslaughter if the prosecutor shows that the defendant used excessive force during self-defense or the defense of another person. The prosecution and defense can look at the facts and circumstances of the killing to determine whether the defendant reasonably believed that self-defense was necessary; if not necessary, the state might proceed with an involuntary manslaughter charge.
Defenses to Involuntary Manslaughter Charges

Justifiable use of deadly force to defend against a felony committed against a person or property
Excusable homicide committed by accident — for this defense in an involuntary manslaughter case, the defendant must show that she acted without recklessness qualifying as culpable negligence

Penalties and Sentences

Florida state laws establish manslaughter as a second degree felony, which may result in a term of imprisonment for up to fifteen years, a fine of an amount up to $10,000, or both. If the defendant committed aggravated manslaughter, such as manslaughter of a child or elderly person by culpable negligence, the state treats the offense as a first degree felony, which increases the potential term of imprisonment to a maximum of thirty years. Florida laws also require the state to consider the defendant’s criminal history and determine whether the defendant is a career criminal or habitual violent offender; if so, the state may be able to increase the defendant’s punishment.
Florida Involuntary Manslaughter Statute

Florida Statutes Sections 782.02-782.36


21 posted on 04/12/2012 5:44:13 AM PDT by eastforker (Don't be ornery for Romney, instead Root for Newt!)
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To: New Jersey Realist

Well, hey; she has to safely exit left, too. She come out with anything else, she would never see the city limits.


22 posted on 04/12/2012 5:48:02 AM PDT by arrdon (Never underestimate the stupidity of the American voter.)
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To: TexasFreeper2009

Zimmerman should only plea to a ticket for improper parking.


23 posted on 04/12/2012 5:50:39 AM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate Republicans Freed the Slaves Month.)
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To: SoFloFreeper
Na..give it a few months..Obama will issue and executive order Zimmerman is guilty and to be executed

You think i kid...but how many would go along? Worse...how many would try and stop him..? Too too few

24 posted on 04/12/2012 5:58:26 AM PDT by tophat9000 (American is Barack Oaken)
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To: SoFloFreeper
Here's what I now believe... the prosecutor/ state has met with the Martin family, sharing all they know of the evidence, and of course they have truthful testimony from Zimmerman by way of a lie detector assisted confession. That evidence shows that Trayvon was the aggressor, was belligerent, and did threaten the life and limb of Z, and likely shows there was struggle for the gun.

Background evidence:

I believe a deal has been worked out between the Martin family, the prosecutor and Z. Have you noticed that the mother has recently said, that what she really wanted was an arrest of Z... not that she was pushing for a guilty verdict regardless of guilt. They all know now what went down, and they all know the propensity of T pushing the envelope, testing out his growing taste for thuggish behavior in newly actualized adult, brutish body.

Z likely is remorseful, and wishes things had not gone down the way they did, but still, he is left with the proposition, that it was either himself or T that would die that night, and justifiable homicide is everybody's conclusion. T's family knows, they knew the path he was choosing, they knew if he didn't get back to the straight and narrow, he would either wind up dead or going to jail for killing someone, they knew.

25 posted on 04/12/2012 6:05:06 AM PDT by dps.inspect (the system is rigged...)
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To: over3Owithabrain
The fact the he CALLED 911 and stayed on the phone with them as he was following Martin proves exactly that he did NOT intend to do violence. 'Hey 911 please send the police I'm about to track down and kill someone". Yeah right. On this alone he should have never been charged with 2nd degree murder. This is a farce.

Correct! This, from the article is wrong.

He followed the teenager despite being told not to by a police dispatcher and the two got into a struggle.

The dispatcher simply told him that following was not necessary because police were on their way. The dispatcher did not instruct him to stop following. Regardless, according to the 911 call, Zimmerman said "OK." and started back to his vehicle. On the way, Martin attacked him.

There is no way he should have been charged but he was because of the threat of mob violence. We will see more of this as the blacks are enjoying a taste of power through mob rule. Things will get hotter as we near the November election. Then Obama will declare martial law and suspend the election and stay in power until forcefully removed. I expect better from News Max.

26 posted on 04/12/2012 6:40:37 AM PDT by Mind-numbed Robot
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To: smokingfrog

“The fact that he was following Trayvon (at least for a time), does not necessarily show any intent to do violence.”

So true. We have shagged undesireables out of our neighborhood on numerous occasions. We always approach and ask them if we can help them and who are they looking for. If they seem too suspicious we tell them its time to leave and the cops are on the way. My fiancee’ has followed suspicious vehicles in his truck until they get the picture and leave the neighborhood. Thats not violence. Thats vigilance.


27 posted on 04/12/2012 9:23:48 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Bryan24
There must be a lot more evidence out there that isn’t public because I don’t see they can come close to murder #2.

That may be why the prosecutor decided not to take it to a grand jury - to much risk that a grand jury would not find sufficient evidence to issue an indictment.

Isn't it interesting that Martin's autopsy still has never been released or even leaked? Any evidence of defensive wounds? Any evidence of drugs or alcohol?

I'm still betting that the toxicology test will show that Martin was high on marijuana and had gone on a munchies run.

28 posted on 04/12/2012 11:59:43 AM PDT by Bubba_Leroy (The Obamanation Continues)
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To: TexasFreeper2009

Hard to have a pretrial without the accused present. Considering public sentiment, safest for him if he’s either in jail (for his own protection) or gone. Wandering in & out of the courthouse for a pre-arrest pretrial would get him killed (well, sooner than he will otherwise regardless of outcome).


29 posted on 04/12/2012 12:17:11 PM PDT by ctdonath2 ($1 meals: http://abuckaplate.blogspot.com/)
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