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Zimmerman to face judge; Trayvon's mom says 'shooting was accident'
ky3.com ^ | 4/12/2012 | Arelis R. Hernández

Posted on 04/12/2012 5:48:37 AM PDT by RoosterRedux

George Zimmerman woke up in a Seminole County jail cell this morning as the mother of Trayvon Martin, the teen he killed, revealed on national television that she thinks the shooting was an accident.

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Asked what she would like to ask to Zimmerman, Trayvon's mother, Sybrina Fulton, told The Today Show that she wants an apology from him.

"I believe it was an accident. I believe it just got out of control and he couldn't turn the clock back," Fulton said, revealing her opinion on what happened the night her 17-year-old son was shot to death. "I would ask him, did he know that that was a minor, that that was a teenager and that he did not have a weapon."

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To: Abathar

If in turns out to be self defense she won’t be able to sue 1- Zim 2- THE PROPERTY Ownership / Mgt


51 posted on 04/12/2012 6:28:49 AM PDT by capt B
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To: capt B

Insurance won’t pay for an intentional act.


52 posted on 04/12/2012 6:30:51 AM PDT by Crawdad
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To: Sacajaweau
"and she ain’t gonna lie for nobody"... just for clarification, who is the "she" you are referring to...
53 posted on 04/12/2012 6:31:20 AM PDT by dps.inspect (the system is rigged...)
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To: RoosterRedux
"I would ask him, did he know that that was a minor, that that was a teenager and that he did not have a weapon."

ALL 3 PARTS of that question are IRRELEVANT.

And if it is ruled that armed people cannot defend themselves against "unarmed" aggressors, especially if the aggressor is black and the victim is white...

WE WILL HAVE A CIVIL WAR. And we SHOULD. And I will participate willingly. This is the progressive's latest attack on the right of self-defense, and we MUST defeat it.

54 posted on 04/12/2012 6:31:35 AM PDT by backwoods-engineer (I will vote against ANY presidential candidate who had non-citizen parents.)
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To: Travis McGee

Yea, I dunno; I’m really pissed off about this because I can see the “Evil” circling to end our hard won Concealed Carry and Castle Doctrine laws and all behind a bonehead in Florida. So, in my state, we get Obamacare jammed down our throats by Nancy Pelosi of California and Harry Reid of Nevada and now this from Florida!

SECEDE! NOW!


55 posted on 04/12/2012 6:32:52 AM PDT by Rich21IE
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To: Cboldt
“It was an accident” is a perfect defense to a charge of murder. If it was an accident, it was not murder. Case dismissed.

And then you lose everything you own in the civil suit that follows. The perfect defense is "It was deliberate and it was justified".

56 posted on 04/12/2012 6:33:08 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act. - George Orwell)
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To: P-Marlowe

My question is how much money does a HOA have? Is she going to sue for the ice cream social or weedwhacker money??


57 posted on 04/12/2012 6:33:14 AM PDT by goseminoles
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To: tacticalogic

I wonder if NBC, in fact, even fired the so-called producer that their “investigation” found to have doctored the 911 tape. Black or not, how do we know they even terminated someone? They made the announcement late on a Friday night and never released their name. For all we know, the person still works at NBC. NBC has a history of fabricating the news to reflect their agenda. I wouldn’t put it past them to have fabricated this whole “we fired them” story. I’m just sayin’.......


58 posted on 04/12/2012 6:34:11 AM PDT by HotHunt
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To: Abathar
"If he did admit it was accidental then what would the true repercussions be?",

Manslaughter ............ just deny, deny, and deny some more. Make the State prove their case! They can't.

59 posted on 04/12/2012 6:35:05 AM PDT by Old Badger (Don't bother me! I still like Palin because she will tell like it is! (Newt too!))
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To: commish
THis statement is all about setting up the Civil trial...

Good point, it fits with the same mentality when she filed to trademark his name.

60 posted on 04/12/2012 6:38:00 AM PDT by opentalk
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To: goseminoles
My question is how much money does a HOA have?

They have insurance. Probably a minimum one million dollars.

61 posted on 04/12/2012 6:41:12 AM PDT by P-Marlowe
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To: HotHunt
Black or not, how do we know they even terminated someone?

We will know eventually because NBC is most likely going to be named in a defamation suit.

62 posted on 04/12/2012 6:43:01 AM PDT by RoosterRedux
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To: snarkytart

And all of his school suspensions will be included in court testimony. Will be interesting to see what you have to do to get a ten day suspension.


63 posted on 04/12/2012 6:44:05 AM PDT by Josa
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To: snarkytart

Trayvon’s mom had no problem jacking up the race hate sails but now that she has gotten her way and Zimmerman is arrested, she is suddenly not a race hater anymore.

There is a lot of innocent blood on the klan with a tan’s hands from the White hut on down. Trayvons, people who could be Obama’s sons, all across the country heard the call of the African wild to get whitey, and have acted upon it.

This whole hooded klan event has back fired on the race hustlers. The git-Zimmerman racist display, threats and blood sacrifices of lynched whites was a means to an end of banning self defense laws in the US. But all Obammy’s chickens came home to roost for this race hate event and everyone heard Holder’s silence in the face of the Nation of Islam’s bounty on Zimmerman’s “white” head.

What a show of Obama’s true face. Many Black celebraties have shown the true colors of their characters, too. Never forget.


64 posted on 04/12/2012 6:44:10 AM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: backwoods-engineer

When I was about 22, I got attacked by about 7 gang members ranging in age from 13 to 18. I was next to a busy road and I remember I was trying to throw these thugs in front of the fast moving cars.

Panic and survival was the only thing on my mind. I doubt much else was going on in Z’s mind either as his head was getting bashed.


65 posted on 04/12/2012 6:44:16 AM PDT by MNDude
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To: snarkytart; xzins
How will her lawsuit against the HOA go down in flames if it’s murder but not involuntary manslaughter (accident)? Either way they’ll sue claiming the HOA had someone “unstable” person being watchman of the community. GZ wasn’t even on duty anyway.

He was a volunteer and not an employee. Therefore there is no respondeat superior liability unless Zimmerman was not only "on duty" but was acting within the course and scope of his duties as a volunteer. If he killed Martin through some personal motive (as the murder charge would suggest) then there would be no liability on the part of the HOA. They need to prove that this was an accident that occurred while the volunteer was working and that his actions were not criminal.

66 posted on 04/12/2012 6:46:13 AM PDT by P-Marlowe
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To: Abathar

Bs mom. He had two weapons called fists.


67 posted on 04/12/2012 6:47:50 AM PDT by Gasshog (going to get what all those libs asked for, but its not what they expected.)
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To: Abathar

Good point and conversely if he said ‘it wasn’t’ an accident...

Can charges be upgraded?


68 posted on 04/12/2012 6:49:45 AM PDT by Outlaw Woman (The biggest Hate group in America is located in the White House, Congress & DOJ)
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To: RoosterRedux

Trayvon “accidentally” jumped a guy who was armed.
Moral: Never bring a hoodie to a gunfight.


69 posted on 04/12/2012 6:50:25 AM PDT by Dick Bachert (I really want Obozo to have another term -- in Leavenworth! 25 to life sounds about right.)
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To: Cboldt

Hey, long time, no see. I hope all is well.

Case in point: Why did it take 3 days to ID Martin?

Now the parents have the nerve to blame cops re: phone; Hello, that was evidence. Who here wouldn’t have heard of a shooting in a neighborhood re: his father, by word of mouth? Especially if he was ‘expecting him’or if he ‘lived there’ with the dad. They let him run wild and had no clue where he was or what he was doing.

I want to know WHEN and WHY the mom put out the missing persons report (please send doc to me if found). If he lived with sad and not mom, why did she and not he file it? Was he to arrive at dad’s and hung out for days before going? Where was he, with whom, doing what?
It’s obvious his wanna-be gang-banging friends didn’t go after Zimmerman, maybe because they thought he went out fighting for his, hence got shot.

I still haven’t found the grave stone or site the kid’s buried at. I saw the service obit from the church though.

I’m waiting for someone to ask, though it may be painful, what kind of parents were they and maybe if they weren’t so caught up in selfishness and paid attention, would this not have happened.

It was their job to know where their kid was and what he was doing.

As far as BPP Michelle Williams and her racist white slurs... As a black woman, I flip their nonsense back on her; Since she says her grandpa was white, maybe SHE isn’t qualified to speak for blacks (flip the one drop theory, use it for Obama as well). You’ve got to get up in their face on this; Show them they look like idiots for following and ignoring facts and common sense. The reason there’s any uproar period, is because it’s RARE. Blacks kill blacks and whites several times a day, they’re not addressing that, why not? Police your own house first. Talk to the ‘non-parents who think the state should raise their kids, and pay for them. Tell them to close their legs, get an education and be responsible, even if their ‘parents’ aren’t. Anytime Cosby or anyone else speaks the truth, they shout them down. It’s truth time people... and color be damned.

No slave aster whipped them and Africa is a plane ride away.

They need to look at their communities and ask some real questions. It’s nobody’s fault but your own. Change it.


70 posted on 04/12/2012 6:59:52 AM PDT by AliVeritas (God's will be done. Pray, Pray, Pray, Penance, Penance, Penance.)
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To: SaraJohnson

Very true.


71 posted on 04/12/2012 7:01:02 AM PDT by snarkytart (http://www.freerepubli224%2C1)
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To: Abathar
If he did admit it was accidental then what would the true repercussions be?

Then... the Martin parents could sue the HOA for an 'accidental death'.

72 posted on 04/12/2012 7:05:18 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: AliVeritas
-- Why did it take 3 days to ID Martin? --

It didn't. Tracy ID's Trayvon the next day, surely less than 24 hours after the shooting.

Missing persons report went out the next day, that's what prompted the authorities to contact Tracy and show hi a photo of Trayvon.

Agreed he was allowed to run wild.

DeeDee, his "girlfriend," didn't attend the funeral. I think she heard things and is stuck with keeping the truth to herself.

Thanks for the shout out!

73 posted on 04/12/2012 7:06:00 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: AliVeritas

Bravo !


74 posted on 04/12/2012 7:07:13 AM PDT by tomkat
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To: Dick Bachert

if they bring a hoodie

we bring a gun


75 posted on 04/12/2012 7:07:21 AM PDT by M-cubed
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda; RoosterRedux
..did he know that that was a minor, that that was a teenager and that he did not have a weapon."

"No, I didn't have time to ask him for his ID, nor search him as he was beating me to death."

76 posted on 04/12/2012 7:11:19 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: VanDeKoik

What? You dont want to go to court to try to get your “justice” from this racist KKK Gestapo Grand Wizard?


She met the hooded Grand Wizard and he was black.


77 posted on 04/12/2012 7:12:33 AM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: snarkytart
She probably knows her son attacked, they know he’s no angel.

Why do you think Mom sent Trayvon to go live at Dad's new fiance's place?

78 posted on 04/12/2012 7:14:24 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: P-Marlowe
My more cynical side however tells me that her Civil attorney has told her that if Zimmerman is convicted of murder then her lawsuit against the home owners association will go down in flames. She NEEDS for this to have been an accident. She needs for this to be negligence. There is no pot of gold at the end of the rainbow if Jorge is convicted of murder.

Yes this does seem to be a shake-down propelled by the threat of unending racial strife. It will be repeated elsewhere, whether it works in this case or not.

79 posted on 04/12/2012 7:17:31 AM PDT by Charles Martel (Endeavor to persevere...)
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To: dps.inspect

SO.... if it had been a ‘black’ neighborhood watch captain, and a Hispanic ‘hoodlum’, would the ‘black’ guy have been arrested?


80 posted on 04/12/2012 7:18:09 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: All
Hey freepers, got this bit of horsehockey in my inbox this morning...might be worth confirming the veracity of the bolded bit!

xxxx-

We are still devastated by the loss of our son Trayvon Martin, and nothing can bring him back. But today, we are heartened to tell you that justice may finally be served for Trayvon.

This evening, Florida State Attorney Angela Corey announced that she will charge George Zimmerman with 2nd degree murder, weeks after he confessed to killing Trayvon -- and now he's in custody.

For weeks after Trayvon was killed, authorities refused to arrest Zimmerman. We couldn't believe that in 2012, public officials would turn a blind eye to our son's killing. We couldn't let that happen.

More than 2 million people joined our call for Zimmerman's arrest. We are so much closer to justice with the decision to bring charges against our son’s killer. We feel less alone knowing that so many people stood with our family during this impossible time.

When Trayvon was just nine, he ran into a burning house to save his father's life. He may be gone, but he is still our hero. We are so thankful to all of you who fought to honor his memory.

Thank you for standing with us, and with Trayvon.

- Tracy Martin and Sybrina Fulton

81 posted on 04/12/2012 7:19:06 AM PDT by Braak (The US Military, the real arms inspectors!)
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To: Gasshog

And a block of concrete.


82 posted on 04/12/2012 7:20:12 AM PDT by Trailerpark Badass
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To: commish

How will Zimmerman be held civilly liable for Martin attacking him?

The witnesses, the cops, and the evidence are all going to exonerate this guy and show it was Martin who attacked Zimmerman.

Will Zimmerman be held liable for the damages to the city of Sanford and across the nation when the rioting occurs after he is found not guilty?


83 posted on 04/12/2012 7:21:52 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: commish

“THis statement is all about setting up the Civil trial when the criminal case is dismissed as being self-defense or Zimmerman is found not guilty”

You lost me there friend. Do you mean she is going for a cut in the millions that Zimmerman will get from his suit?


84 posted on 04/12/2012 7:23:54 AM PDT by Rock N Jones
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To: AliVeritas
Blacks kill blacks and whites several times a day, they’re not addressing that, why not?

Because it happens so often that it's NOT NEWS.

On the other hand, a 'white' killing a 'black' is so rare, is becomes NATIONAL HEADLINE NEWS.

85 posted on 04/12/2012 7:25:19 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: UCANSEE2

Initially, Zimmerman was arrested, he was handcuffed and taken to the police station. What’s your point?... that if the neighborhood watch guy had been black he would have been assumed guilty, and not let out of jail till a bond was posted? prove it and I’ll believe it... conjecture it, and I’ll conjecture my position. My conjecture is that no matter what the skin color of the neighborhood watchman, he is out trying to do good. Given all else being the same with witnesses and circumstance with only skin color being different, I believe we’d have the same results, only without black-backlash... though maybe LARAZA would have been called in to stir trouble instead of NBPP.


86 posted on 04/12/2012 7:31:56 AM PDT by dps.inspect (the system is rigged...)
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To: Abathar

Some one posted this the other day.

Here is the motivation...
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Note that in section 2 of the immunity statute 776.032 a person is “immune” from criminal or CIVIL action if they are not arrested. The arrest itself can be interpreted as “Probable Cause” the force, or action taken, was unlawful.

http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2012/04/09/trayvon-family-show-me-the-money-motivation/


87 posted on 04/12/2012 7:36:07 AM PDT by fml
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To: xzins

>> in Florida 2d degree means they have to prove depraved indifference.

...and the operative word there is *prove*. Mass media-style hysterical innuendo won’t cut it. It must be proven beyond reasonable doubt and that’s a high bar to clear.

Personally I think she overcharged just hoping *something* would stick. Sort of like asking for a pony for Christmas knowing you won’t get it but maybe you’ll get the B-B gun. So maybe she’ll get manslaughter out of it (and can parlay that into her next political office).

The key element in this one is going to be the judge. Dear God, let it be an honest, impartial, and skillful one. There’s a lot hanging in the balance.


88 posted on 04/12/2012 7:40:50 AM PDT by Nervous Tick (Trust in God, but row away from the rocks!)
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To: dps.inspect
I believe he was taken into custody but not arrested. The difference for the family is without an official arrest they are unable to seek Civil damages.

I think if the shooter was black the outcome would only be different because there would be no manufactured racism and phony public outcry.

89 posted on 04/12/2012 7:42:24 AM PDT by fml
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To: Rich21IE

Zimmerman makes me think of Stacey Koon:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stacey_Koon

http://www.amazon.com/Presumed-Guilty-Tragedy-Rodney-Affair/dp/0895265079/ref=sr_1_fkmr0_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1334241567&sr=8-1-fkmr0


90 posted on 04/12/2012 7:43:08 AM PDT by Mr Rogers (A conservative can't please a liberal unless he jumps in front of a bus or off of a cliff)
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To: HotHunt
how do we know they even terminated someone?

We don't. And they appear to feel entitled to a presumtion of innocence on their part from us that they have yet to afford to George Zimmerman.

91 posted on 04/12/2012 7:45:20 AM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: Dutch Boy
CBS-11 here in Dallas is still playing the audio (Black) with dispatch edited out.
The MSM bias is sickening and they will cover up anything bad.

I will give money to his defense fund just to poke the real Racists in the eye.
That would be the Black Panthers, Sharpton, Etc, and their sympathizers.

92 posted on 04/12/2012 7:49:18 AM PDT by MaxMax
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To: Fawn

test


93 posted on 04/12/2012 7:49:26 AM PDT by Fawn (This sight is toooooo sloooooowwwwww)
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To: Gasshog
He had two weapons called fists.

And when the truth comes out, we may learn that he had a knife or other weapon on his body.

Thugs are almost always armed.

94 posted on 04/12/2012 7:50:23 AM PDT by RoosterRedux
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To: Nervous Tick; P-Marlowe; blue-duncan; wmfights; Girlene; bigheadfred

If they can’t prove 2d degree, are they simply allowed to fall back to the next lower level of manslaughter?

You’d think that would require another trial if he wasn’t charged with it, since the standards are different.


95 posted on 04/12/2012 7:55:59 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Pray Continued Victory for our Troops Still in Afghan!)
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To: RoosterRedux

Once the attorneys get through exposing who Trayvon was, and why he was out in th dark in the rain walking between houses the “Saint Trayvon of Sanford” image is going to fall

I was reading USA Today this morning (by accident, the hotel gives them out free) and they STILL had the picture of little 14 year old Trayvon, left out ANY mention of Trayvon attacking Zimmerman, said he was “shot while walking home” with “candy and ice tea in his pocket”, mentioned that there were witness but that “eyewitnesses are unreliable” (huh??)

If this is the public’s main source of info, no wonder the public knows NOTHING


96 posted on 04/12/2012 7:56:21 AM PDT by Mr. K (If Romney wins the primary, I am writing-in PALIN)
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To: SaraJohnson
This whole hooded klan event has back fired on the race hustlers. The git-Zimmerman racist display, threats and blood sacrifices of lynched whites was a means to an end of banning self defense laws in the US. But all Obammy’s chickens came home to roost for this race hate event and everyone heard Holder’s silence in the face of the Nation of Islam’s bounty on Zimmerman’s “white” head.

You're right!

This is quite similar to "Fast and Furious" in its motives and failure.

97 posted on 04/12/2012 7:58:55 AM PDT by RoosterRedux
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To: Cboldt

Why have we not seen any diagram of poor innocent St. Trayvon’s lifeless nody with the bullet path through his body?

I am guessing it supports the theory that he was on top. And the fact that their was a bullet fired but the next one was NOT chambered, means that something blocked it

I am guessing the dumbass tired to grab the gun and got what he deserved


98 posted on 04/12/2012 8:00:21 AM PDT by Mr. K (If Romney wins the primary, I am writing-in PALIN)
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To: Cletus.D.Yokel
:: “I would ask him, did he know that that was a minor, that that was a teenager and that he did not have a weapon.” ::

A six foot tall football player is a weapon.

99 posted on 04/12/2012 8:00:40 AM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: xzins; Nervous Tick; P-Marlowe; blue-duncan; wmfights; Girlene; bigheadfred
If they can’t prove 2d degree, are they simply allowed to fall back to the next lower level of manslaughter? You’d think that would require another trial if he wasn’t charged with it, since the standards are different.

The general rule is that if the prosecution does not include manslaughter as an alternative lesser included charge and the defendant does not request an instruction to allow the jury to find on the lesser included crime, then a failure to prove all the elements of second degree murder would demand that the jury return a verdict of not guilty.

In this case I do not believe that Zimmerman has been separately charged for voluntary or involuntary manslaughter. So it should be an all or nothing trial on the murder charge.

The State cannot later come back and charge the defendant on the lesser included charge. Of course that does not prevent Eric Holder from later holding a show trial on a Civil Rights violation.

100 posted on 04/12/2012 8:09:38 AM PDT by P-Marlowe
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