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Trayvon Martin's mom says she thinks his killing was an 'accident' [Changing tune now??]
MSNBC ^ | 4/12/12 | Ian Johnston

Posted on 04/12/2012 6:04:09 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper

Trayvon Martin’s mother Sybrina Fulton told the TODAY show Thursday that she believes her son’s fatal shooting by George Zimmerman was an accident.

“I believe it was an accident, I believe that it just got out of control and he couldn’t turn the clock back," she said.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: justicefortrayvoninc; race; sabrinafulton; sybrinafulton; trayvon; trayvonaccident; trayvonmartin; zimmerman; zimmermanarrest; zimmermancharged
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To: EQAndyBuzz

I saw Zimm’s younger bro on TV this morning. He looks just like him................


51 posted on 04/12/2012 6:51:49 AM PDT by Red Badger (Think logically. Act normally.................)
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To: N. Theknow
I could only stomach just so much of the news conference after the prosecutor referred to the parents as "sweet" and that as prosecutor she just wanted "justice for Trayvon."

I thought it was unusual she asked everyone to pray for the Martin Family. Sure they had a terrible loss, but thought that was out of place considering the purpose of the press conference and showed her lack of independence in 'getting to the truth' (her words).

52 posted on 04/12/2012 6:52:18 AM PDT by Loyal Buckeye
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To: N. Theknow

Whether parents are sweet or not has no bearing on a case.. Jeffrey Dahmer had sweet parents, too.


53 posted on 04/12/2012 6:52:47 AM PDT by DivineMomentsOfTruth ("Give me Liberty or I'll stand up and get it for myself!")
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To: Bushbacker1
I’m thinking the parents are finding out what really happened are changing their tune.

I don't believe this because it requires the existence of good will on the part of the parents.

54 posted on 04/12/2012 6:53:08 AM PDT by jtal (Runnin' a World in Need with White Folks' Greed - since 1492)
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To: SoFloFreeper
I hope Z doesn't even THINK about any plea deal.

he's so immune because of the "stand your ground:" law, I don't see how the prosecutor gets around it.

55 posted on 04/12/2012 6:53:08 AM PDT by stylin19a
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To: HerrBlucher

The apology, warranted or not, would be to appease the Martins, and to put the whole case behind all of them.


56 posted on 04/12/2012 6:53:36 AM PDT by adorno
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To: SoFloFreeper

Perhaps she is trying to deal with her son’s death without bitterness, and move on. Hope so for her sake. A cynic might think that the Homeowner Association’s insurance policy covers accidents but not willfull misconduct and unlawful acts.


57 posted on 04/12/2012 6:53:36 AM PDT by Chewbarkah
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To: SoFloFreeper

Read that they did the GMA interview from Washington DC.. wonder why they are in DC?


58 posted on 04/12/2012 6:53:59 AM PDT by pnz1
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To: commish

I am not operating out of the assumption of anything.

I don’t know what evidence the prosection has. Nobody does but Zimmerman’s defense.

But if the mother of Trayvon believes it was an accident, she may know more than we do.

You have to admit that now Trayvon’s mother believes it to be a tragic accident, it makes the charges look more suspect.


59 posted on 04/12/2012 6:54:17 AM PDT by dforest
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To: Sacajaweau

Arizona Iced Tea is drug parlance for PCP laced Marijuana.

Skittles is slang for various drugs, most notably Ecstasy.


60 posted on 04/12/2012 6:55:08 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: SoFloFreeper

Hoping to salvage a plea bargain to involuntary manslaughter?


61 posted on 04/12/2012 6:55:39 AM PDT by Jack of all Trades (Hold your face to the light, even though for the moment you do not see.)
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To: DivineMomentsOfTruth
Whether parents are sweet or not has no bearing on a case.. Jeffrey Dahmer had sweet parents, too.

Then why mention it? As it has no bearing on the case.

And why only "justice for Trayvon" and not justice period?

62 posted on 04/12/2012 6:55:57 AM PDT by N. Theknow (Kennedys=Can't drive, can't ski, can't fly, can't skipper a boat, but they know what's best for you.)
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To: SoFloFreeper

I’m a bit worried about this one. If Zimmerman succumbs to the temptation to “do the generous thing” and apologise for “the accident”, wouldn’t that leave him open to some sort of “negligent homicide” charge, “reckless use of a deadly weapon” charge , or some such thing? The prosecution (who may be seeing the writing on the wall) may be making a play for a lesser charge like that...


63 posted on 04/12/2012 6:59:21 AM PDT by paladinan (Rule #1: There is a God. Rule #2: It isn't you.)
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To: Loyal Buckeye
I thought it was unusual she asked everyone to pray for the Martin Family.

Being 'christian' is pretty unusual, these days.

64 posted on 04/12/2012 6:59:57 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: adorno

Hmmmm.....”I apologize for pissing Trayvon off causing him to attempt to murder me, and furthermore, I apologize for defending myself during the attack. I should have let him kill me, I am a horrible horrible person.”


65 posted on 04/12/2012 7:00:11 AM PDT by HerrBlucher
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To: struggle

It’s the Glock’s fault. This is how the rhetoric is going to turn, antigun.


66 posted on 04/12/2012 7:01:52 AM PDT by JudgemAll (Democrats Fed. job-security Whorocracy & hate:hypocrites must be gay like us or be tested/crucified)
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To: Redmen4ever
I blame the racism on the President. Not on this aggrieved mother.

Obama has his share of the blame, but Trayvon's parents went and hired that "civil rights" lawfirm to stir up all this strife. All these "community leader" appearances and widespread protests - don't assume this all happened spontaneously. Someone was coordinating this.

Those lawyers made quite a name for themselves - expect to see them involved in subsequent cases where some black thug gets killed by a non-black.

67 posted on 04/12/2012 7:02:11 AM PDT by Charles Martel (Endeavor to persevere...)
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To: Cboldt
Corey or whoever she punts this to will have to produce evidence and argument that establish it is more likely than not, that Zimmerman did NOT act is reasonable fear of death or serious injury.

The fix is in-Zimmerman is toast. The state, the judge will do whatever as this is a political trial and not a trial for justice--exactly what is seen in a socialist country. Jurors will be intimidated, and won't want to be seen on TV as "holding out for whitey". The proceedings will be a sham to try to avoid race riouts.

68 posted on 04/12/2012 7:04:11 AM PDT by damper99
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To: Oztrich Boy

“Ny feeling is the States Attorney has a couple of underreported facts/circumstances that give her a really stong case against Zimmerman under Florida Law and Zimmerman is as innocent as Mumia Abu-jamal.”

Pulled that out of your ass didn’t you?


69 posted on 04/12/2012 7:06:10 AM PDT by MPJackal ("From my cold dead hands.")
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To: commish

Commish, you truly deserve the title for that spot on analysis.


70 posted on 04/12/2012 7:06:19 AM PDT by Postman
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To: Safetgiver

“Not making any money on her copyright?”

BINGO!


71 posted on 04/12/2012 7:06:48 AM PDT by poobear
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To: commish

That is some risk although your anyalis(sp) was probably part of the states decision.

You dont charge somebody based on what the mob may do, but on the evidence. It appears this is what has happened.

Now mommy says it was an accident? Also I understand that Ms Corey met with the Martin family when she was first appointed. This is totally improper.

Justice for Trayvon? How abt justice for Mr. Zimmerman.

Geez what a mess.


72 posted on 04/12/2012 7:07:51 AM PDT by waxer1 ("The Bible is the rock on which our republic rests." -Andrew Jackson)
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To: Sacajaweau
Which would make me think he was "skittled" out of his mind.

Right...If an autopsy was performed and Trayvon was tested for and found to have had high levels of drugs in his system, then this might have also influenced the Mom.

73 posted on 04/12/2012 7:09:44 AM PDT by CitizenM (Obama studied our Constution out of hate for America, not out of love for our laws.)
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To: N. Theknow

Exactly.


74 posted on 04/12/2012 7:10:38 AM PDT by DivineMomentsOfTruth ("Give me Liberty or I'll stand up and get it for myself!")
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To: damper99
-- The fix is in-Zimmerman is toast. --

Could be.

The system isn't known for being wise, or honest. At least we'd get to see the names of a few of the corrupt ones.

75 posted on 04/12/2012 7:11:12 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Pikachu_Dad

A man of reason. bttt


76 posted on 04/12/2012 7:13:52 AM PDT by Matchett-PI ("Andrew loved the battle and he knew the stakes." ~ Mark Levin 3/2/12)
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To: SoFloFreeper

This obviously has zero legal implications, but it’s very interesting nevertheless. I’ll be curious to see how/if Sharpton, et al react to this.

“Accidents” of course, can still be criminal, but it’s hard to square an accident with a second degree murder charge.

But you’re right - a little late to try to cool off the mobs now...


77 posted on 04/12/2012 7:16:04 AM PDT by PhatHead
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To: SoFloFreeper

Apparently she has more sense than the special prosecutor who went off the deep end and overcharged Zimmerman.


78 posted on 04/12/2012 7:17:25 AM PDT by chuckee
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To: UCANSEE2

If Trayvon had drugs in his system what impact would that have on the prosecution? If he did, wouldn’t the prosecutor know that?


79 posted on 04/12/2012 7:17:36 AM PDT by ladyjane
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To: Red Badger

I tend to agree with this scenario. Would the prosecutor make a half hearted effort at the same time the evidence is presented so to make sure Z gets acquitted?


80 posted on 04/12/2012 7:17:53 AM PDT by taterjay
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To: SoFloFreeper
After taking pictures with the two Flem Flam men..Jackass and Fat Al she thinks it is an accident..after getting the savages(black panthers) in and uproar she thinks it was an accident..Could it be she made lots of money on the tee shirts (enough to retire on) so now it was an accident.. Could it really be her great son was a thug..
81 posted on 04/12/2012 7:24:11 AM PDT by PLD (what is the difference between the Black Panthers and the KKK..Nothing I can see..)
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To: Red Badger
The prosecutor brings charges to make a trial happen so ALL the evidence is presented in court for ALL to see.

Then he is found NOT GUILTY and the state is off the hook...........

The state would still be required to pay all legal costs of Mr. Zimmerman, which is one of the tenants of the Stand Your Ground law.

82 posted on 04/12/2012 7:24:22 AM PDT by mac_truck ( Aide toi et dieu t aidera)
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To: PhatHead
a little late to try to cool off the mobs now...

Part of me thinks that Zimmerman was actually anxious to be taken into custody because at least, in jail, he is safe and has a chance to have all the evidence presented and his side of the story heard.

He stood no chance to have justice with the mentality of the mob rule that was being flamed by vigilantes such as the New Black Panthers, Sharpton, Jackson, et al. I am sure he was in grave danger out there and he knew it, which is why he disappeared and stopped contacting his lawyers, etc.

83 posted on 04/12/2012 7:25:18 AM PDT by CitizenM (Obama studied our Constution out of hate for America, not out of love for our laws.)
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To: PhatHead
a little late to try to cool off the mobs now...

Part of me thinks that Zimmerman was actually anxious to be taken into custody because at least, in jail, he is safe and has a chance to have all the evidence presented and his side of the story heard.

He stood no chance to have justice with the mentality of the mob rule that was being flamed by vigilantes such as the New Black Panthers, Sharpton, Jackson, et al. I am sure he was in grave danger out there and he knew it, which is why he disappeared and stopped contacting his lawyers, etc.

84 posted on 04/12/2012 7:25:37 AM PDT by CitizenM (Obama studied our Constution out of hate for America, not out of love for our laws.)
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To: SoFloFreeper

Her comment makes no sense.

I believe Zimmerman initially followed Trayvon because he was a suspicious person. I beleive when told by the 911 dispatcher that they did not want him following the guy, Zimmerman responded with an “Ok” (clearly audible on the tapes) and proceeded to get an address for the police as he indicated he would.

I believe Trayvon at that point, irritated by being followed had circled back and confronted Zimmermna on his way back to his car.

I believe (based on reading from his twitter and facebook accounts that have been on the net) that Trayvon did deliver a blow to Zimmerman, knocking him down. I believe Trayvon got on top of him and was beating his head into the ground.

I believe Zimmerman ultimately pulled his gun (which there may have been a struggle for, we don’t know) and shot Trayvon, fatally injuring him.

This is consistant with Zimmerman’s story, the eyewitness accounts, and the physical condition Zimmerman and Trayvon were found in.

Now, if autopsy and forinsic evidence exists that flatly contradicts this and proves Zimmerman (for example) shot Trayvon while he was fleeing or some such, then fine, this charge by the special investigator is warranted.

If not, then I believe they are going to lose in court and Zimmerman will be acquitted of any murder or manslaughter charges.

We shall see.

But what we also all know, because we have all witnessed it, is that the New Black Panthers have illegally conspired to kidnap and kill Zimmerman, openly putting a 1 million dollar bounty on his head. They have also abjectly conspired to incete riots and sedition, calling directly for war and blood in the streets and organizing to accomplish the same...and yet THEY are still walking free on the streets of Florida.

That the State DA or the FBI has not acted on this even graver threat is a travety, and sickenly disgusting.

God grant we can turn this cable out in November and right the ship of state beginning next January. Such behavior cannot be tolerated, it will only embolden more such that when any “brother” is killed for almost any reason, we will see bounties and threats of insurrection in an attempt to influence and corrupt our legal system...which is exactly what is happening here.

AMERICA AT THE CROSSROADS OF HISTORY
http://www.jeffhead.com/crossroads.htm


85 posted on 04/12/2012 7:26:56 AM PDT by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free, never has been, never will be (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: dps.inspect
I believe a deal has been worked out between the Martin family, the prosecutor and Z. Have you noticed that the mother has recently said, that what she really wanted was an arrest of Z... not that she was pushing for a guilty verdict regardless of guilt. They all know now what went down

My thoughts exactly. I think some cooler heads have prevailed and everyone is on the same page.

86 posted on 04/12/2012 7:27:29 AM PDT by TexasNative2000 (Jimmy Carter's incompetence + Richard Nixon's paranoia = Barack Obama)
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To: SoFloFreeper

An “accident”?

Wow. I guess she may be smarter than her idiot son was. I wonder how many times the prosecuting DA told her they have no evidence for a murder conviction, yer they will file M2 charges anyway and hope Z pleads down to manslaughter?

No Limit’s mamma strayed off the reservations with this “accident” comment. I’m sure the NBB, the race pimping reverends, and all the other racers would have wanted her to keep chanting the SOS:

“My baby was murdered, he was hunted down like a dog and shot in cold blood for no reason except he was black, and blah, blah, blah.”


87 posted on 04/12/2012 7:34:37 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: dps.inspect

The bothersome part, however, is the report that Zimmerman made something like 160 calls to 911 since the first of the year; if true, he was really on a mission.


88 posted on 04/12/2012 7:34:41 AM PDT by ErnBatavia (A conservative, a liberal and a moderate walked into a bar; barkeep said "Hi Mitt")
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To: HerrBlucher

How ‘bout, “I apologize because things got out of hand, and it was not my intention to murder or even hurt anyone”?

The apology is just a way to put the whole incident and case behind them, even if an apology is not warranted. Better to walk away with some dignity, on both sides, than to continue the protests or to raise the possibility of further violence. The “race pimps” weren’t going to let the matter rest, and so, the prosecutor needed to start the road towards an end, and an apology isn’t going to kill Zimmerman or his family.


89 posted on 04/12/2012 7:40:22 AM PDT by adorno
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To: dps.inspect

I believe a deal has been worked out between the Martin family, the prosecutor and Z. Have you noticed that the mother has recently said, that what she really wanted was an arrest of Z... not that she was pushing for a guilty verdict regardless of guilt. They all know now what went down, and they all know the propensity of T pushing the envelope, testing out his growing taste for thuggish behavior in newly actualized adult, brutish body.

Z likely is remorseful, and wishes things had not gone down the way they did, but still, he is left with the proposition, that it was either himself or T that would die that night, and justifiable homicide is everybody’s conclusion. T’s family knows, they knew the path he was choosing, they knew if he didn’t get back to the straight and narrow, he would either wind up dead or going to jail for killing someone, they knew.

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You make some excellent points here. Now that charges have been brought, I wonder if all parties will agree to plea down to lesser charges.

If so, what? If you were Zimmerman’s defense team, would you please to Man 3? (Assuming Florida has some low level murder charge like that?)

Would you refuse to cope any plea? And go to trial?

We shall see......


90 posted on 04/12/2012 7:41:19 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: ErnBatavia

Not what I heard, I heard this report was phony, that the number of calls was less than what you stated and over a period of several years (more than two)... of course not many news outlets have been willing to to give us straight facts or all the facts. The story has been wildly biased and un-objective. Hard for me to know what to think, except that I have my own filter that I see the world through, which I’ll admit can be biased... yet I yearn for truth.


91 posted on 04/12/2012 7:44:26 AM PDT by dps.inspect (the system is rigged...)
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To: ErnBatavia

So much bad information out there. The Daily Beast says 46 over 7+ years, 6 in recent weeks. Don’t know what to believe.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/03/22/george-zimmerman-s-history-of-911-calls-a-complete-log.html


92 posted on 04/12/2012 7:47:58 AM PDT by sox_the_cat
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To: skeeter

He looks so white in his mugshot! As white as Mitt Romney!/s


93 posted on 04/12/2012 7:48:14 AM PDT by miss marmelstein
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To: SoFloFreeper
Beck is covering this racist activism from the left on FL incident. Message changed overnight. His take is a coordinated change was dictated to soften this in the media prior to criminal charge.

They are going to spin as Martin King love.

94 posted on 04/12/2012 7:49:37 AM PDT by opentalk
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To: pnz1

Excuse me while I adjust my tinfoil...

Secret meeting with Zero or members of the administration?

If this BS gets out of hand, any chance of his re-election flies right out the window IMHO.


95 posted on 04/12/2012 7:50:23 AM PDT by Califreak ("Burnt By The Sun")
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To: SoFloFreeper

If I interpret Florida law correctly, an accident would be Murder 3...which might be alot easier to prove than Murder 2.

This might be part of a coordinated campaign (not that politics have anything to do with the justice system, right) to get the charges changed to something more likely to get a conviction.


96 posted on 04/12/2012 7:51:10 AM PDT by lacrew (Mr. Soetoro, we regret to inform you that your race card is over the credit limit.)
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To: commish
trade 100% sure riots for a 25-50% chance there are no riots when Zimmerman is exonorated.

There is a 100% chance of riots no matter what happens.

Whatever happens will be the excuse for the riots, which were the object all along.

97 posted on 04/12/2012 7:54:23 AM PDT by HIDEK6
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To: ErnBatavia

Ern, I wonder about that statistic.

The shooting was on Feb. 26th, which is only 57 days into the year. Three calls a day seems high to me, and he would have had a talking to by the authorities for excessive calls to 911.

Maybe the number is off; but if the number is somewhat lower, that would be an indication that there were crime problems out there in that community.


98 posted on 04/12/2012 7:54:57 AM PDT by exit82 (Democrats are the enemies of freedom. Be Andrew Breitbart.)
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To: All

Don’t forget.....whichever way it goes,Holder is waiting in the wings to bring Zimmerman up on hate crime charges.


99 posted on 04/12/2012 7:55:18 AM PDT by markoman (The man with the rubber glove was....surprisingly gentle.)
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To: ErnBatavia
I can't recall the number but I am sure it was far fewer calls over the course of more than one year. Like so much the media has reported this too was a lie.

Also in Florida without an arrest, the family cannot sue in Civil Court. The arrest = probable cause even if found innocent in criminal court.

Politics as usual and the racecard played with skill.

100 posted on 04/12/2012 7:57:18 AM PDT by fml
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