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The Perfect Storm for a 3rd Party run (Vanity)
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Posted on 04/12/2012 6:31:24 AM PDT by Mechanicos

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This is vanity. And a lot of Guessing. So go easy.
1 posted on 04/12/2012 6:31:29 AM PDT by Mechanicos
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To: Mechanicos

Ain’t gonna happen.
Too expensive in today’s world of media, media, media.
The Super Pacs control everything, now................


2 posted on 04/12/2012 6:33:23 AM PDT by Red Badger (Think logically. Act normally.................)
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To: Mechanicos

Ross Perot proved the utility of third parties, to Democrats.


3 posted on 04/12/2012 6:35:13 AM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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To: Mechanicos

No “Liberal Conspiracy” needed - the Pubbies are doing it to themselves quite effectively —

“None of the Above” will be the candidate of choice for many conservatives suffering from ‘hold-your-nose’ exhaustion....


4 posted on 04/12/2012 6:35:30 AM PDT by Uncle Ike (Rope is cheap, and there are lots of trees...)
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To: Mechanicos

http://www.goodeforpresident2012.com/


5 posted on 04/12/2012 6:36:43 AM PDT by wolfman23601
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To: Mechanicos

Doug Schoen (Sp?) was on Hannity about a month ago espousing this. He is for a Huntsman candidacy and is already working toward it. Schoen is a “D”, but he’s not an Obama fan, supposedly.

He talked of Huntsman running as an independent third party and thought that he could actually siphon off enough Obama voters to make a true run at it. Hannity tried to convince him that this was handing the election to Obama, but Schoen didn’t think so.

With a lot of conservatives staying home, if Huntsman runs, we are GUARANTEED another 4 years of Obama.


6 posted on 04/12/2012 6:38:09 AM PDT by woweeitsme
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To: Mechanicos

I would see a republican third party run, pass the kool aid.


7 posted on 04/12/2012 6:38:09 AM PDT by boomop1 (term limits is the only way to save this country.)
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To: Mechanicos

Who would it be? If Ron Paul decided to do this, his son’s career in the Republican party would be effectively over. Even if Ron Paul ran, he could siphon off a lot of the anti war vote that would be voting for Obama. I just don’t see who the credible candidate it is they could get to run third party that would do it knowing they are re-electing Obama.


8 posted on 04/12/2012 6:38:09 AM PDT by Old Teufel Hunden
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To: Anti-Bubba182

“Ross Perot proved the utility of third parties, to Democrats.”

Exactly what I thought when I read this.


9 posted on 04/12/2012 6:40:59 AM PDT by brownsfan (Aldous Huxley and Mike Judge were right.)
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To: Mechanicos

I expect the real 3rd-party momentum will be AFTER the election, after Romney loses. The GOP will fully split in two, between the establishment and the conservative, Tea party side.


10 posted on 04/12/2012 6:40:59 AM PDT by greene66
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To: Uncle Ike

” - - - “None of the Above” will be the candidate of choice for many conservatives suffering from ‘hold-your-nose’ exhaustion.... “

Yep. Well said.

We are FINALLY taking Nancy Reagan’s advice: “JUST SAY NO!”


11 posted on 04/12/2012 6:42:33 AM PDT by Graewoulf ((Dictator Baby-Doc Barack's obama"care" violates Sherman Anti-Trust Law, AND U.S. Constitution.))
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To: Old Teufel Hunden
I just don’t see who the credible candidate it is they could get to run third party that would do it knowing they are re-electing Obama.

Actually, the GOP is re-electing Obama by nominating Romney. No third-party presence in November overrides the fact this is the GOP's self-inflicted wound. It didn't have to be this way.

12 posted on 04/12/2012 6:42:47 AM PDT by ScottinVA (A single drop of American blood for muslims is one drop too many!)
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To: Mechanicos

Waste of bandwidth. Hope you are a monthly donor!


13 posted on 04/12/2012 6:43:04 AM PDT by SubMareener (Save us from Quarterly Freepathons! Become a MONTHLY DONOR!)
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To: Old Teufel Hunden

I don’t know yet. They can probably create somebody or pump up one of the obscure ones. I think Perot did not show on the radar till late in the game...


14 posted on 04/12/2012 6:43:04 AM PDT by Mechanicos (Why does the DOE have a SWAT Team?)
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To: Mechanicos
If Romney wins the nomination it will set up the Perfect Political Storm for the Democrats to run a 3rd Party "conservative" to siphon enough votes to let Obama win.

It's not even needed. Romney is going to lose this one big with or without "help." And the GOP E has wanted it this way all along.

15 posted on 04/12/2012 6:44:50 AM PDT by ScottinVA (A single drop of American blood for muslims is one drop too many!)
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To: Mechanicos

You’re absolutely right. Ron Paul has already set up a devotee named Gary Johnson, former Governor of New Mexico to run against Romney as an economic conservative. Now ask yourself: Did Paul attack Romney’s other opponents so viciously and fanatically, yet leave Romney alone because ...

1) Romney was the most firmly opposed to socialism, or

2) With Romney as the nominee, Johnson will be able to siphon more disgruntled conservatives away?


16 posted on 04/12/2012 6:44:55 AM PDT by dangus
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To: SubMareener

Think so? Look at the other responses.


17 posted on 04/12/2012 6:46:53 AM PDT by Mechanicos (Why does the DOE have a SWAT Team?)
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To: Old Teufel Hunden

Ron Paul is 76 years old. The notion that he ever intended to be president is a sick joke. He was in there purely to see that a socialist won the Republican nominee, so that the Libertarian Party would emerge as a viable alternative to Democrats and Republicans. But he won’t be the Libertarian candidate; it’ll be Gary Johnson.


18 posted on 04/12/2012 6:47:25 AM PDT by dangus
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To: greene66; Mechanicos
The GOP will fully split in two, between the establishment and the conservative, Tea party side.

Which will be ironic for the ITYS conservatives. Because the task for the next candidates opposing the incumbents will be for a moderate to move right and regain the conservatives using GOP resources, or for a conservative to attempt to pull their enemies back to the right using his own resources. If that kind of synchronized swimming can't happen this year against Obama, then it sure can't happen with blood in the water following a 2012 massacre.

19 posted on 04/12/2012 6:52:00 AM PDT by sam_paine (X .................................)
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To: dangus

” 2) With Romney as the nominee, Johnson will be able to siphon more disgruntled conservatives away? “

Ya know, it occurs to me that this whole discussion is predicated on the assumtion that Conservatives are too damn dumb to see through any “Straw Man in a Trojan Horse” strategy...

If that is, indeed, the case, then we deserve to lose - in fact, we’re too damn dumb to be voting, at all...


20 posted on 04/12/2012 6:52:08 AM PDT by Uncle Ike (Rope is cheap, and there are lots of trees...)
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To: Old Teufel Hunden

I would rather have a different candidate. I hate Romney, McCain, Dole and all their other rhino’s. Let have a third party ticket than this lot. This is the guy that gave us gay marriage and Romney Care. Please forgive me but this guy was Mister Negative against all Conservatives but will not go negative to win here!


21 posted on 04/12/2012 6:54:14 AM PDT by man from mars
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To: Mechanicos

Not going to happen. There are already existing 3rd party’s anyway. You can join the .15% of people that will cast a ballot for the Constitution Party, or the .5% of people that vote Libertarian.

Hussein is such a polarizing figure that the entire election is going to be a referendum on him, and as such there is no real chance the Republican nominee will face any significant division among the ranks as we near election day.

Sure, right now there is still acrimony, but by this Fall the election is going to feel like a war with all the conservative standard bearers being firmly on the side of Romney - and that will include Palin, Newt, Santorum, Perry, Cain, etc, etc, etc.


22 posted on 04/12/2012 6:57:18 AM PDT by Longbow1969
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To: Uncle Ike

Nominating a thoroughly unelectable candidate - Romney - as a conservative standard bearer, is an act of sabatoge. Romney cannot win. He does not have the conservative, the women or any minority voting bloc, only his benighted Mormon community. Romney will represent one Manchurian candidate against another.


23 posted on 04/12/2012 7:02:53 AM PDT by Louis Foxwell (The day liberals grow up is the day tyranny ends.)
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To: Mechanicos

“A nation deserves the leaders it gets.”

We deserve Obama, and the ruling liberal republican leaders are nothing but scumbag socialists.

If it is Romney I will vote for the 3rd party conservative, it’s time for conservatives to vote for what they believe, the republican leadership has scewed this towards Romney by hook or by crook and let’s not forget Ann Coulture in all of this, I hope here career is over.


24 posted on 04/12/2012 7:03:02 AM PDT by stockpirate (Romney, Ann Coulter & our ruling republican SOCIALISTelites, are Big Government socialists,)
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To: Mechanicos

Supposing a third party ran Palin/West...dream ticket for me...would it beat Romney and Obama?


25 posted on 04/12/2012 7:03:24 AM PDT by ryderann
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To: Mechanicos

No 3rd Party without a run off between the 1st and 2nd place winners. The winner will be the loser as the majority will have voted against it in a 3 party election.


26 posted on 04/12/2012 7:04:59 AM PDT by Bringbackthedraft ( WHO WE ELECT AS PRESIDENT IS NOT AS IMPORTANT AS WHO THEY APPOINT.)
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To: Longbow1969
Sure, right now there is still acrimony, but by this Fall the election is going to feel like a war with all the conservative standard bearers being firmly on the side of Romney - and that will include Palin, Newt, Santorum, Perry, Cain, etc, etc, etc.

I don't see it. Milquetoast is no substitute for principle.

27 posted on 04/12/2012 7:07:34 AM PDT by Louis Foxwell (The day liberals grow up is the day tyranny ends.)
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To: ryderann

I would vote for that Ticket in a heart beat.


28 posted on 04/12/2012 7:07:57 AM PDT by Mechanicos (Why does the DOE have a SWAT Team?)
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To: greene66
The GOP will fully split in two, between the establishment and the conservative, Tea party side.

"Will"??

29 posted on 04/12/2012 7:08:07 AM PDT by Only Sane Man
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To: Longbow1969

No. I refuse. I put my foot down. This country is finished anyway, we’re arguing over the design of the coffin.


30 posted on 04/12/2012 7:13:52 AM PDT by Crazieman (Are you naive enough to think VOTING will fix this entrenched system?)
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To: Mechanicos

You are quite correct. A “3rd party” candidate will bring about Obama’s 2nd term. Instead, “Plan B” for conservatives needs to be electing as many non-RINO candidates to Congress as possible.

The truth is that Romney’s 1st term will be only marginally better for the country than Obama’s 2nd term. To counter either of these big government liberals, we need a solidly conservative House and we need to retake the Senate. At the very least, we need a House that’s willing to monkey wrench the government for another 4 years.

That doesn’t happen if we all go wandering off the reservation in support of a 3rd party run.


31 posted on 04/12/2012 7:17:05 AM PDT by Redcloak (Mitt Romney: Puttin' the "Country club" back in "Republican".)
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To: SubMareener
Waste of bandwidth. Hope you are a monthly donor!

Anyone who desires to post vanity threads should either:

1. Be a monthly donor, or

2. Contribute $10 for bandwidth rent.

32 posted on 04/12/2012 7:17:34 AM PDT by Night Hides Not (My dream ticket for 2012 is John Galt & Dagny Taggart!)
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“Palin/West Dream ticket.”

Yeah, that’s the ticket!


33 posted on 04/12/2012 7:17:55 AM PDT by urbanpovertylawcenter (where the law and poverty collide in an urban setting and sparks fly)
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To: Mechanicos

I am certainly never voting for Romney, in that I see no difference between Romney and Obama, except what they call things.

Further, Romney is a liar and a evil little man not worthy of support of any kind.

His lies against Thompson last election and Newt this election sealed the deal for me.

I am either staying out or voting third party.


34 posted on 04/12/2012 7:43:39 AM PDT by TheThirdRuffian (I will never vote for Romney. Ever.)
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No. I refuse. I put my foot down. This country is finished anyway, we’re arguing over the design of the coffin.

Yeah, I know some people who said this very thing last time around. They threw their votes away on write-ins or 3rd party's because they thought they were making a statement. Now almost all of them regret it and would walk through a pit of poisonous snakes to vote for the Republican candidate since he is the only one who can beat Hussein.

35 posted on 04/12/2012 7:44:34 AM PDT by Longbow1969
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"He is for a Huntsman candidacy and is already working toward it."

Yeah, Huntsman was so popular the first time around. He couldn't siphon enough gas to fill up his car, much less votes to take away from Romney.
36 posted on 04/12/2012 7:44:47 AM PDT by Old Teufel Hunden
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re: Ron Paul has already set up a devotee named Gary Johnson, former Governor of New Mexico to run against Romney as an economic conservative.

I heard Johnson being interviewed on the radio the other day. Before I knew who was being interviewed, my initial reaction was that, whoever he was, he was extremely arrogant. While he did say some conservative things that I agreed with, he also endorsed a number of issues such as gay marriage. Realistically, his attempts to come off as "conservative" will only help Obama get re-elected. But the guy is in total denial about that. He really doesn't care. He reminded me of the so-called “conservative” 3rd party candidate, Scott Ashjian, that Harry Reid's campaign supported behind the scenes during his last race to help siphon votes off of Sharon Angle in Nevada. Candidates such as him generally don't get many votes, but in a close race are very important to the Democrats.

37 posted on 04/12/2012 7:46:38 AM PDT by rusty schucklefurd
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To: Mechanicos

What the country needs is a fiscally-conservative, socially-individual liberty minded, and foreign policy-USA first candidate.

I don’t care what label you put on that candidate or how big their caucus is on capital hill, those are the characteristics that will earn my vote.


38 posted on 04/12/2012 7:46:55 AM PDT by Triple (Socialism denies people the right to the fruits of their labor, and is as abhorrent as slavery)
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To: stockpirate

“We deserve Obama, and the ruling liberal republican leaders are nothing but scumbag socialists.

If it is Romney I will vote for the 3rd party conservative, it’s time for conservatives to vote for what they believe, the republican leadership has scewed this towards Romney by hook or by crook and let’s not forget Ann Coulture in all of this, I hope here career is over.”

I agree with EVERYTHING you say EXCEPT there is no way that I can allow our current president to continue. Mittens has NEVER been a choice of mine! Yet, I won’t have to hold my nose becuase I want the current POTUS out! I will rejoice more that he is out than Mittens has won. After election then we can begin to separate the establishment from their hold on power. Mittens may be a lot of things but he is no Marxist. Right now that is ENOUGH for me. We have to get rid of the immediate threat...progressive leadership...and then cut away at the lingering threat...RINO leadership. If we can’t get it ALL in one offensive then let’s take what we can get in order to continue moving forward. Be smart people...be strategice...the future is on the line for our kids and grandkids.


39 posted on 04/12/2012 7:52:13 AM PDT by AlwaysFrosty
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To: woweeitsme

Maybe they will run Tim Cahill.


40 posted on 04/12/2012 7:52:49 AM PDT by gusty
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To: dangus

“it’ll be Gary Johnson”

And sadly, I would vote for pot-smoking loser Gary Johnson over Romney in a heart beat.


41 posted on 04/12/2012 7:54:03 AM PDT by TheThirdRuffian (I will never vote for Romney. Ever.)
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To: Mechanicos

Eventually it will happen.

Sooner or later we will have to confront the GOP establishment in a “final battle”. Making them finish third in a Presidential race would turn them into the Whigs.

Are the stakes too high to do it this cycle? Perhaps.
But sooner or later it has to be done.


42 posted on 04/12/2012 7:55:27 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: TheThirdRuffian

No matter how you rationalize it for yourself, you will be voting for Obama. Be a stand up guy and do not weasel out. Just pull the lever for Obama. Any vote not for the GOP nominee is a vote for Obama, period.


43 posted on 04/12/2012 7:57:55 AM PDT by gusty
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To: Uncle Ike

At this time I am opposed to a third party. But if the GOP and Romney lose in Nov., I am game to starting one. We have been betrayed ever since Geo. H. W. Bush got control of the party. He got rid of the Reagan appointees and put in his own spineless nothing moderates. But we MUST wait till after the election. If we do it before, and Obummer is re-elected, the third party would be detested!


44 posted on 04/12/2012 7:58:32 AM PDT by RightLady (Throw the Traitors out)
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To: Mechanicos

to say Romney is as bad as Obama is mis-guided moral relativism. Nothing would be as bad as an O second term.


45 posted on 04/12/2012 8:13:32 AM PDT by Nanny7
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To: Buckeye McFrog

barry is the bigger danger

get hussien first, then get the rhinos


46 posted on 04/12/2012 8:19:13 AM PDT by paythefiddler (redefeat communism)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

barry is the bigger danger

get hussien first, then get the rhinos


47 posted on 04/12/2012 8:19:22 AM PDT by paythefiddler (redefeat communism)
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To: Mechanicos

Turd Parties! Yeah sure 0Bama would love it!


48 posted on 04/12/2012 8:23:32 AM PDT by entropy12 (I absolutely believe in American exceptional-ism, the Constitution and justice for all.)
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To: gusty
No matter how you rationalize it for yourself, you will be voting for Obama...Any vote not for the GOP nominee is a vote for Obama, period.

Talk about rationalizing.

Voting for Obama is voting for Obama. Anything else is NOT voting for Obama.

Unless we do something about it, we will always have these two choices, R and D, bad and worse. And things will go from bad to worse.

49 posted on 04/12/2012 8:25:59 AM PDT by Lady Lucky (Retro Sark...because you just never know when you'll have needed a sark tag.)
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