Skip to comments.George Zimmerman court affidavit: 'Zimmerman confronted Martin'
Posted on 04/12/2012 12:11:40 PM PDT by Free ThinkerNY
George Zimmerman, the Neighborhood Watch volunteer arrested yesterday in the fatal shooting of 17-year-old Trayvon Martin, faced a judge for the first time this afternoon.
Meanwhile, a probable cause affidavit has been filed in the second-degree murder case. In the two-page document, prosecutors offer little new information about the shooting.
However, they said in the affidavit that "Zimmerman confronted Martin," an apparent contradiction of Zimmerman's version of the events that led to the shooting.
The document says Trayvon's mother identified the screams for help heard in a 911 call as those of her son. It also reveals that investigators interviewed a "friend" of Trayvon's who was talking to him in the leadup to the shooting.
Based on the description, it appears the friend was the girl described by Martin family attorneys as his girlfriend.
"During this time, Martin was on the phone with a friend and described to her what was happening," the affidavit said. "The witness advised that Martin was scared because he was being followed through the complex by an unknown male and didn't know why."
Martin tried to run home, the affidavit says, but was followed by Zimmerman. "Zimmerman got out of his vehicle and followed Martin."
The affidavit goes on to say that "Zimmerman disregarded the police dispatcher" who told him to stop, and "continued to follow Martin who was trying to return to his home."
Zimmerman, the affidavit says, "confronted Martin and a struggle ensued."
According to the affidavit: "Trayvon Martin's mother has reviewed the 911 calls and identified the voice crying for help as Trayvon Martin's. Zimmerman shot Martin in the chest."
Zimmerman's first appearance began just after 1:30 p.m. He faces a second-degree murder charge in the Feb. 26 shooting, which sparked international outcry.
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Something significant that hasn't been brought up regarding two particular details. The Zimmermans claim of a struggle over control of the gun and evidence that the firearm didn't cycle properly.
If Martin had his hand(s) on the gun, there should be powder burns, cuts, bruising or residue on them.
You are so right in your post 98...I have been called so much worse than a DU plant. Gird your loins for battle if you are going to continue to go by the facts and common sense. Good luck to you. Nice to see someone like you on the board. We have no idea what the prosecutor has..but we do know she has enough to charge him with 2nd degree murder which surprised me. I was thinking aggravated manslaughter. Sorry to do this in mail. I still feel like I have been rode hard and put up wet after yesterday’s insults.
You do not become an "aggressor" simply for following a suspicious person to try to ascertain his location for the police -- which is exactly what Zimmerman was doing. This is abundantly clear from his recorded 911 call.
If he stopped Martin and said anything, he cannot reasonably claim self-defense for initiating the contact, and then begin losing the scuffle, and shooting Martin.
You appear to be purporting that "saying anything" to a suspicious person will negate any possible self-defense claim later on.
Do you realize how absurd that sounds? That if I say "what are you doing here" to a suspicious person, that person is now free to attack me, and I can no longer have any claim to self-defense, if I hurt my attacker while defending myself ????
(And as a sidenote, you appear to be assuming that Zim made the first verbal contact. No one, on either side, has yet suggested this scenario as far as I know.)
So much so that I stated to read it again.
Oh, boy....not good reading, is it?
How long will it take Zimmerman's new lawyer to understand that his client's best friends are Conservative bloggers?
The ConBlogs have vigorously examined 100% of the public evidence against Zimmerman, and successfully challenged much of it.
Each day that record is sealed is just one more day for the Hard Left MSM to leak damaging new stories or re-spin old damaging stories.
What evidence would family members be providing, since they weren't at the scene?
lol...I do not know why your reaction was funny...but it was..thanks petitfour. Guess I grew weary of it.
But I bet the ones that want their faces covered are witnesses that support Zimmerman. Given real threats to Zimmerman's life and the lives of his family members, it is understandable why the witnesses want their faces covered. I'll bet you would want your face covered, too.
Any “witness” for the thug would not hide their face as they would be hero's to the race-baiters and criminals out to get Zimmerman.
And the “witness” (girlfriend) is no witness at all. At best, she was on the phone with the thug and she could (at best) only testify what the thug told her. . .not what was actually happening. She did not witness anything.
So why would the guy on top who broke the other guy’s nose, is sitting on top of him and slamming the head of the guy on the bottom against the pavement, and putting his hand over the mouth of the guy on the bottom screaming for help? Doesn’t make sense that the person holding the physcial advantage would scream for help for 40 seconds.
“This thing already reeks of prosecutorial misconduct.”
Just as “It ain’t over ‘til the fat lady sings”, it is also true that “It ain’t prosecutorial misconduct when the fat prosecutrix does it”.
Back that up with some actual Florida law or bit of jurisprudence, please.
Here you go, start digging.
Someone has to confront the criminals; the police sure don’t seem to want to do it.
This is a lie. First of all the sentence was a suggestion. Second of all Sanford authorities have stated in writing that that sentence was not a "lawful order". And lastly 911 operators have no police powers and can not issue lawful orders.
Isn’t it hearsay, and therefore inadmissible?
They should be able to verify the time and length of the girlfriend's call thru cellphone records and see how it coincides with the 911 calls. What I would be interested to learn is when were the contents of the girlfriend's call divulged to the police. If it was after the police released the 911 calls and the preliminary police report to the public, I would be very skeptical of her statements, which could have been taliored to the information already released.
It took a day or two before the Martin family even learned of the whereabouts of the son. Under the circumstances, I wonder why the girlfriend didn't alert the police to her concerns soon after she couldn't reach him again. The phone records should be ample evidence in that regard.
Really? I would think that Zimmerman would have to have been in a position to impede Martin's safe progress toward his intended destination before you could term his actions "aggressive." We don't know that he did.
Treyvan’s family has a trashy lawyer (Benjamin Crump) who will be suing George Zimmerman and his homeowners association to collect millions..... And to make other white Americans fearful of “confronting” any black, the “chosen people” of the left.
Check out what happened (20 years prison) to this man who shot and killed a lunatic black assailant whacking his father with an aluminum baseball bat and who had already broken his fathers kneecap and wrist
But if they knock you down, slam your head against concrete, and say they're going to kill you, and you have a gun, do you use it? I think you would. Especially if you thought you were going to die. We still don't know the all the facts. It's highly unlikely Zimmerman just chased down Martin and shot him in cold blood. Does that still justify Zimmerman shooting Martin? Maybe not. But we don't know all the facts yet. Let's wait and see.
Just for clarity...
He was not a judge, and had no trial jurisdiction. He was a magistrate, which is a lower level judicial position.
Doesn’t change your point, however.
Dollars/doughnuts the girlfriend is just as bought as mama, whether by cash or fear.
Also, I know it is said that EMS cleaned up bloody nose and back of head.
The red jacket Zimmerman was wearing can be tested for blood, but at the video at the police station, it looks like he is wearing a white shirt - maybe a t-shirt.
I may be missing it, but wouldn't blood be on the white shirt if his nose was bleeding?
Nonsense. If this was so I could beat you down in the street for walking behind me or for telling me my cigar smoke was disgusting. But I can't because I would be guilty of assault. In fact Florida law permits deadly force even to an aggressor who feels his life is seriously in danger after he gets beat down.
I don't know who the aggressor was but the eyewitness I listened to was pretty clear about who was getting his head beat on the sidewalk and who was doing the beating. This, of course, is not evidence of who got physical first but if the prosecutor can not prove that it was Zimmerman then this entire exercise is futile, political and a miscarriage of justice.
I'll wait to see her evidence proving Zimmerman was the physical aggressor beyond a reasonable doubt but if she doesn't have it then she should never have gone forward.
I’m pretty much agreeing with you cquiggy.
But, maybe Martin didn’t run away because he thought he was going to be shot in the back.
My Liberal friend said exactly that this morning. Zimmerman caused it by confronting Martin. Thats what you get Bro. You dont confronts my peeps, dog. We be givin a beat down on yo face, stomp you real good Crackah.
As soon as Investigator Angela Corey said this was about justice for Trayvon, you knew Zimmerman was in trouble.
Don’t forget about her calling for prayers for Trayvon’s “sweet parents”.
Zimm is being Nifonged here. I can only hope he not only comes out of this as successful as the Duke boys, I hope he comes out alive.
Meanwhile our racist A-hole AG is promising to look into this matter. Not the laws that have been broken by the New Black Pampers and the Hate Crimes they have committed. No sir.
He is looking to see if Z is guilty of any trumped up federal charges.
Is this maybe intentional on prosecution part? Have a bad ass trial and then not enough of substance to give to jury and GZ walks.
Persecution would not have blood on their hands and GZ & his family move to someplace like New Zealand.
The autopsy of Martin revealed NO injuries other than the gun shot wound!
And you know this how??
Care to link to where autopsy results were published?
Sorry, but you might wanna re-think that post.
“. . .those cannot be resolved by cross-examining Robert Zimmerman, because all Robert Zimmerman knows is what George Zimmerman told him. “
How about this:
“those cannot be resolved by cross-examining the thug’s girlfriend, because all the girlfriend knows is what the thug told her.”
She was not there. She was on the phone, supposedly.
Back at ya.
This, absolutely, never occurred to me.
He could have even had girlfriend call on another phone to 911 and stay on his line so she could hear what was going on in case an ambulance was needed, etc.
“So, perhaps he can recreate his screams for some audio engineers and jurors to analyze.”
Would make sense to me.
“As soon as Investigator Angela Corey said this was about justice for Trayvon, you knew Zimmerman was in trouble.”
“justice for Trayvon”...hate to ask: is she black, white, whatever?
The answer is, IMHO, that he didn’t. It was Zimmerman screaming for help.
Hopefully it will all come out at the trial.
“The fix is in. Now all they need is a do-gooder jury loaded with caped crusaders looking to send a message to gun owners.”
Is it known how the judge feels about 2nd, concealed carry laws and what-not?
Maybe. There are ways that aggressor role can switch back and forth. Why did Z leave his vehicle? To chase TM, or to get his bearings for the 911 dispatcher? If he initates a conversation with TM, but then clearly stands down, and communicates the stand-down, and TM launches on him anyway, then TM becomes the aggressor. Then there's escalation. Who took the confrontation to the level of lethal threat? A heated conversation, in which A confronts B, but B takes it up to lethal, self-defense still has play. It's common law. Everyone has a right to use lethal force to defend their own life against the aggressor who creates the initial threat against that life, but not against everyone with whom one has a mere argument or "scuffle."
“Conversely, if Zimm was just out to kill someone why would he call 911?”
ZIMMERMAN IS BEING NIFONGED!!!
What caused the gun to go off.....rolling around on the ground? Has that been established? Why has Trayvon’s rap sheet not been published...? Being Black makes you a saint now? Did his mother ever get the name Trayvon copyrighted? Who has ‘custody’ of the cell phones now?
And the defense can claim the dispatcher advised him TO pursue. Prior to the "we don't need you to do that", the dispatcher twice says "Just tell me if he does anything else". A few seconds later Martin "runs", and Zimmerman follows, before being called off.
“Ms. Corey appears to have plagiarized the MSMs false script.”
EXACTLY RIGHT!! I suspect that she has a Nifong personality (and middling IQ) and thinks this will advance her politically. She’s as wrong as Nifong was.
We all have a right to self-defense and we need to stand with Zimmerman against politically motivated false charges.
Maybe this will be done.
However it would be hard for any human being to reproduce the sounds he or she made while in a terrified state.
In an adrenaline-charged state, I think one's vocal cords probably behave very differently than when one is just trying to *act* terrified. I think it is unlikely one can consciously control that.
This man is behind bars until late May for defending himself? So much for 'stand your ground' laws...
I know you're not kidding, but I wish you were...