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George Zimmerman court affidavit: 'Zimmerman confronted Martin'
ctnow.com ^ | April 12, 2012 | Arelis R. Hernández and Susan Jacobson

Posted on 04/12/2012 12:11:40 PM PDT by Free ThinkerNY

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To: sjmjax
"If Martin had his hand(s) on the gun, there should be powder burns, cuts, bruising or residue on them. "

Not necessarily. If the slide action came into contact with something, it might not chamber another round.

151 posted on 04/12/2012 3:39:10 PM PDT by moehoward
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To: hosepipe

“NBC is running like a rabbit afraid of getting their PeaCock Sued OFF..
There are a lot networks whistling past the law offices of Bill, Padding & Howe LTD...
And not a few TV Anchors and Newspaper and Mag folks..”

Sounds fair to me. They put his life in further danger and made it hard to defend himself - they knew what they were doing.

Whichever way it goes, Zimmerman would seem go have some cases showing he was deliberately harmed. Would help pay for his legal work.


152 posted on 04/12/2012 3:43:11 PM PDT by hummingbird (Just askin' or just sayin' depending on the subject at hand.)
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To: kabar
"Doesn’t make sense that the person holding the physcial advantage would scream for help for 40 seconds."

Even if Zimmerman was on top, what was Martin screaming about? The Mortician said there was no cuts or bruising on Martin...

153 posted on 04/12/2012 3:45:12 PM PDT by moehoward
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To: montag813

“This is the same unbiased prosecutor who said she “prayed” with Trayvon’s parents and their lawyers when they first met!”

She was praying with them?!

Wha......???!!!!


154 posted on 04/12/2012 3:49:52 PM PDT by hummingbird (Just askin' or just sayin' depending on the subject at hand.)
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To: Charles Martel
Let me throw that back at you so you can do your own research.

What other evidence would the prosecution have for 2nd Degree? There is more to this than what the media have been portraying, and in the affidavit it purports that Zimmerman confronted Martin.

Now, if Martin felt threatened(stranger in a strange neighborhood), and attacked Zimmerman, Zimmerman cannot claim self-defense when he initiated the contact.

That is what this case will revolve around.

155 posted on 04/12/2012 3:52:31 PM PDT by Wizdum (My job is to get you to shoot soda out your nose)
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To: jwalsh07

It is possible to disregard a suggestion. Not many people know that.


156 posted on 04/12/2012 4:16:31 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy (This world is a comedy to those that think, a tragedy to those that feel - Horace Walpole)
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To: Wizdum
Once Zimmerman left his truck to follow Martin, he became the aggressor.

Nonsense. That is the most ridiculous claim I've heard in a long while, and if they can make such nonsense "stick", our society is a lost cause.

Your assertion is pure BS, IMO. Now, perhaps if he spoke in a threatening manner or perhaps even initiated physical contact, I could agree with him being the initiator, but to simply exit his truck to follow him cannot make him the aggressor no matter what you "Should have just minded his own business" advocates believe, IMO.
157 posted on 04/12/2012 4:25:52 PM PDT by Pox (Good Night. I expect more respect tomorrow.)
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To: Responsibility2nd

Sorry, I don’t remember what article that was cited in.


158 posted on 04/12/2012 4:42:09 PM PDT by FedsRStealingOurCountryFromUs
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To: Free ThinkerNY
I believe that they are over-charging Zimmerman in the belief that if they can't convict him of the charges, they can at least bankrupt him from the process.

Either way, Zimmerman ends up a ruined man.

-PJ

159 posted on 04/12/2012 4:48:41 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (If you can vote for President, then your children can run for President.)
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To: FedsRStealingOurCountryFromUs

That’s because there was no article. There may be an autopsy out there, but it is sealed up tight.

What you may be referring to is the word of the black undertaker who buried Martin.

He was reported to have said there was no marks, no bruises or cuts on Martin when they buried him. Just the gunshot wound.


160 posted on 04/12/2012 4:49:31 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: jwalsh07
A witness named "John" told the police the following: "The guy on the bottom who had a red sweater on was yelling to me 'help, help' …and I told him to stop and I was calling 911,"

Also, Zimmerman’s neighbor, who didn’t want to be shown on camera, has come forward to say that George Zimmerman’s face was indeed swollen the next day and he was wearing bandages. Also, he said he talks to Zimmerman every day and said that on the 911 tape of the person screaming for help, it was George Zimmerman.

161 posted on 04/12/2012 5:00:27 PM PDT by FedsRStealingOurCountryFromUs
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To: hinckley buzzard
This is Nifonging at its worst.

After what we've seen from the prosecutor since yesterday, looks like she might be Angela Coreyfong.

162 posted on 04/12/2012 5:12:16 PM PDT by TheSarce (Reject Socialism. Champion Liberty.)
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To: Wizdum

Read this post.. You’ve just been confronted. Most people think ‘assaulted’ when they read ‘confronted’. It’s who assaulted first that matters.


163 posted on 04/12/2012 5:13:35 PM PDT by FedsRStealingOurCountryFromUs
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To: sox_the_cat
they can trace cell phones and get precise times....

sounds to me that the cops or the DA is cherry picking which information they want to believe...

164 posted on 04/12/2012 5:15:41 PM PDT by cherry
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To: Hulka
“those cannot be resolved by cross-examining the thug’s girlfriend, because all the girlfriend knows is what the thug told her.”

She was not there. She was on the phone, supposedly.

The difference (and the reason her testimony will be admissible, and his not) is that she heard what Martin told her as the event was occurring. Zimmerman's father heard what Zimmerman told him after the fact. She can provide testimony (and be cross-examined) about Martin's contemporaneous demeanor, tone of voice, etc. Zimmerman's father has no such contemporaneous information, and can only testify to Zimmerman's after-the-fact statements.

The testimony of both Martin's girlfriend and Zimmerman's father would be hearsay (although Martin's girlfriend could also have non-hearsay testimony to provide, independent of what Martin told her - as an "earwitness," so to speak). The difference is that Martin's girlfriend's testimony about Martin's contemporaneous statements likely are admissible because they fall within at least one hearsay exception, maybe more (present sense impression, present state of mind, and excited utterance come to mind). Zimmerman's father's testimony is hearsay, but falls within no exception, and is clearly inadmissible.

165 posted on 04/12/2012 5:17:59 PM PDT by Conscience of a Conservative
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To: DallasSun
The problem here, and has been for many years, is all the arm-chair warriors that have never been shot at, never been prosecuted, never had to face a jury and wonder if they believe what you did was right.

They've never had their friends ostracize them, never had total strangers threaten them, never had co-workers leave them out of gatherings, never had the nightmares that don't ever go away.

But they can provide all kinds of puffed up, inexperienced spew that doesn't mean much.

166 posted on 04/12/2012 6:36:27 PM PDT by Wizdum (My job is to get you to shoot soda out your nose)
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To: FedsRStealingOurCountryFromUs
Read this post.

You are basing your opinion on media related 'facts', and those are unreliable. It biases your outlook.

THINK of what the circumstances could have been if Zimmerman had stayed in his truck and NOT followed Martin.

The police would have shown up, they would have walked around the grounds, and we wouldn't even be talking about this.

Zimmerman's lawyers are going to have to prove somehow, someway, that Zimmerman was not the instigator.

167 posted on 04/12/2012 6:41:19 PM PDT by Wizdum (My job is to get you to shoot soda out your nose)
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To: Conscience of a Conservative

Understood.

Zimmerman’s father’s statements are hearsay, of course. As is the girlfriends statement—she wasn’t there. She didn’t see anything. She cannot say “I saw such-and-such” or “I saw Zimmerman strike first” or anything like that. All she can say is what she heard over a cell-phone from a guy walking/running and during inclement weather.

The thug’s girlfriend, she cannot offer direct evidence, as you correctly pointed out, she can only say what he told her, and that is hardly credible and clearly easily impeached. The state has to prove facts, not accept at face value what someone told someone.

Thing is, she does not know for a fact what he said was true. I suggest her testimony will be heavily coached by self-serving SP lawyers, and especially by lawyers for the thug’s family. They will make sure they steer her to lie (yes, “lie”) to fit the narrative.

“He told me XXX” is hardly enough to convict, especially when, I suggest, it conflicts with the eye-witness testimony of John and forensics.

The SP errored greatly in bringing this charge and it will be thrown out if there is any justice for Zimmerman.


168 posted on 04/13/2012 2:22:56 AM PDT by Hulka
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To: Rearden

I’ll have to go to the Library and check the book out, I lost my copy in a flood last year.


169 posted on 04/13/2012 4:34:46 AM PDT by Mr. C (Take Back America!)
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To: PA-RIVER

Curious - did your liberal “friend” imply, then, that Martin beating down Zimmerman was actually therefore morally justified?


170 posted on 04/13/2012 5:21:08 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: Wizdum

Would you punch then knock down someone for watching, following, or questioning you then bounce their skull into the sidewalk? How can that be justified? Martin feared Zimmerman was on the phone with the police. What was he so afraid of if he was just on a ‘Skittle’ run?


171 posted on 04/13/2012 7:04:50 AM PDT by FedsRStealingOurCountryFromUs
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To: FedsRStealingOurCountryFromUs
Would you punch then knock down someone for watching, following, or questioning you then bounce their skull into the sidewalk?

Don't know. If I felt threatened by some stranger watching, following, and asking me a bunch of questions, I'd wonder about his motive, and be prepared to defend myself. ESPECIALLY, if I am stranger in a strange neighborhood as Martin was.

As far as we have seen from the media, Martin was on the phone with his girlfriend. THAT conversation will go a long way to Martin's state of mind, if it is possible to find a recording, and not depend on word of mouth.

There are a lot of questions left in this case, and the prosecutor must have something other than what we have heard for this to go 2nd Degree.

Now, just to give you an example of what can go wrong when facts not in evidence need to be produced in a court of law, here's a recent one.

A Marine, retired from service, spots a burglary in progress, he phones 911 from INSIDE his truck, a description of the pair, the minivan they are driving, his location. Staying in communication, he follows the minivan to get the license plate. In the meantime, the pair see him following, stop, and approach the vehicle. Now, one of the perps, who has a long criminal background smashes the window and begins to attack the Marine. Sanchez draws his weapon seated INSIDE his truck and fires, killing the perp with 911 on the end of the line.

That case went to court to determine if the Marine fired to guard property or to defend himself.

Audio of the 911 call.

What happened in this case is the Marine was charged, and never went to trial as the judge determine it was self defense.

The difference here is Sanchez STAYED in his truck. That is one of the factors in the Zimmerman case, that will determine his fate.

172 posted on 04/13/2012 8:02:37 AM PDT by Wizdum (My job is to get you to shoot soda out your nose)
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To: FedsRStealingOurCountryFromUs; Wizdum
Would you punch then knock down someone for watching, following, or questioning you then bounce their skull into the sidewalk?

_____________________________________

If the grown stranger had a gun, you bet I would.

173 posted on 04/13/2012 8:15:21 AM PDT by wtc911 (Amigo - you've been had.)
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To: wtc911
And you'd meet the same fate Martin did. The 'smoking gun' in this case is the EYE WITNESS named "John". John SAW AND HEARD ZIMMERMAN SCREAMING FOR HELP. This is crucial to the case because it PROVES Zimmerman was being assaulted. THAT IS ALL HE NEEDS TO PROVE HE ACTED IN SELF-DEFENSE.

Here is John's statement: "The guy on the bottom (Zimmerman) who had a red sweater on was yelling to me: 'help, help…' and I told him to stop and I was calling 911"

Now, if Zimmerman threw the first punch, the "Stand Your Ground" law goes out the window but in the end, Zimmerman still acted in self-defense, right?

174 posted on 04/13/2012 9:28:47 AM PDT by FedsRStealingOurCountryFromUs
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To: FedsRStealingOurCountryFromUs
You can SHOUT ALL YOU WANT!!!!!! but it doesn't make what you say true.

Unless a witness comes forward and states that he saw Martin attack Zimmerman or vice versa then you can't know what happened.

175 posted on 04/13/2012 10:20:22 AM PDT by wtc911 (Amigo - you've been had.)
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To: wtc911
ENJOY!

http://www.myfoxtampabay.com/dpp/news/state/witness-martin-attacked-zimmerman-03232012

176 posted on 04/13/2012 10:47:49 AM PDT by FedsRStealingOurCountryFromUs
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To: FedsRStealingOurCountryFromUs
Are you kidding? John the secret witness?

He says nothing about Martin attacking Zimmerman. He says nothing about who started the fight.

You say however that you know that martin attacked zimmerman...you have yet to provide proof.

177 posted on 04/13/2012 11:28:08 AM PDT by wtc911 (Amigo - you've been had.)
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To: FroedrickVonFreepenstein
and the railroading of George Zimmerman begins.

They will need to stack the jury with black racist.

Otherwise, there will be riots if he's found innocent.

178 posted on 04/13/2012 11:31:15 AM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: wtc911

Yeah, I heard that Zimmerman had this fetish for laying on his back outside then bouncing his skull on the concrete then scream “Help, Help!!” just to get his neighbors’ attention. /sarc


179 posted on 04/13/2012 2:40:44 PM PDT by FedsRStealingOurCountryFromUs
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To: FedsRStealingOurCountryFromUs

No proof of what happened so you try lame humor....what a clever laddie you are.


180 posted on 04/13/2012 3:13:44 PM PDT by wtc911 (Amigo - you've been had.)
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