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(Liberal) Prof. Alan Dershowitz: Zimmerman Arrest Affidavit ‘Irresponsible And Unethical’
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/harvard-prof-alan-dershowitz-zimmerman-arrest-affidavit-irresponsible-and-unethical/ ^ | 4/12/12

Posted on 04/12/2012 4:00:03 PM PDT by dewawi

Harvard University law professor Alan Dershowitz appeared on MSNBC’s Hardball where fill-in host Michel Smerconish asked him his opinions of the arrest warrant issued and carried out for alleged Trayvon Martin murderer, George Zimmerman. Dershowitz called the affidavit justifying Zimmerman’s arrest “not only thin, it’s irresponsible.” He went on to criticize the decision to charge Zimmerman for second degree murder by special prosecutor Angela Cory as being politically motivated.

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“You’ve seen the affidavit of probable cause. What do you make of it,” Smerconish asked. “It won’t suffice,” Dershowitz replied without hesitation.

“Most affidavits of probable cause are very thin. This is so thin that it won’t make it past a judge on a second degree murder charge,” Dershowitz said. “There’s simply nothing in there that would justify second degree murder.”

Dershowitz said that the elements that would constitute that crime are non-existent in the affidavit. “It’s not only thin, it’s irresponsible,” said Dershowitz.

Dershowitz went on to strongly criticize Cory’s decision to move forward with the case against Zimmerman. “I think what you have here is an elected public official who made a campaign speech last night for reelection when she gave her presentation and overcharged. This case will not – if the evidence is no stronger than what appears in the probable cause affidavit – this case will result in an acquittal.”

Smerconish identified the total lack of any mention of the supposed fight that occurred between Martin and Zimmerman prior to Martin being shot. He said he was disappointed that he did not see any mention of that conflict that led to Martin’s murder.

“But it’s worse than that,” said Dershowitz. “It’s irresponsible and unethical in not including material that favors the defendant.”

“This affidavit does not even make it to probable cause,” Dershowitz concluded. “everything in the affidavit is completely consistent with a defense of self-defense. Everything.”

1 posted on 04/12/2012 4:00:11 PM PDT by dewawi
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To: dewawi
Right .... on........ point!
2 posted on 04/12/2012 4:04:06 PM PDT by Old Badger (Don't bother me! I still like Palin because she will tell like it is! (Newt too!))
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To: dewawi

So join the Defense, Dersh.


3 posted on 04/12/2012 4:04:45 PM PDT by miss marmelstein
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To: dewawi

God bless Dershowitz.

A liberal with integrity.


4 posted on 04/12/2012 4:05:45 PM PDT by Elpasser (--)
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To: Mears

bfl


5 posted on 04/12/2012 4:06:52 PM PDT by Mears (Alcohol. Tobacco. Firearms. What's not to like?)
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To: dewawi

I sent a hand written note to George Z today, care of his attorney. Honestly cannot begin to imagine the horror what he’s been through. Consistant with this pathetic administration of juveniles, good is now bad and vice versa. I’m sick of all the LIES and destruction.


6 posted on 04/12/2012 4:10:03 PM PDT by AllAmericanGirl44 (Fluck this adminstration of misfits.)
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To: Old Badger

A broken clock, a blind pig and Alan Dershowitz.
If he had real integrity he would just come right out and say what needs to be said: that this is a political witch-hunt set in motion by his Democratic party, its president and it’s race-baiting hangers-on, all egging on its constituency of moronic useless eaters.
The Sanford police and prosecutor’s office have already investigated this matter and determined there is nothing here. This is a dog-and-pony show and Alan just pointed out the first act: a monkey wearing a derby skating backwards while smoking a cigar.


7 posted on 04/12/2012 4:17:22 PM PDT by tumblindice (Our new, happy lives.)
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To: dewawi

Damn. Even a broken clock is right twice a day. Dersh may be a lib, but between this and him busting Obama for turning his back on Israel, my respect for the guy is growing.


8 posted on 04/12/2012 4:19:19 PM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: dewawi

The thing they’re actually trying to charge the guy with i.e. DOWW or Defending Oneself While White, would be an ex post facto law, which the constitution forbids.


9 posted on 04/12/2012 4:20:04 PM PDT by varmintman
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To: Elpasser
My thoughts exactly! He was also outraged by the public announcement made by Zimmerman's former lawyers that they were withdrawing from the case. He called it a violation of attorney-client privilige.
10 posted on 04/12/2012 4:21:49 PM PDT by srmorton (Deut. 30 19: "..I have set before you life and death,....therefore, choose life..")
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To: Old Badger

no wonder that broad was smilin’ at the press conference, she is using it for her re-election...unbelievable!!


11 posted on 04/12/2012 4:24:13 PM PDT by biggredd1
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To: SoFloFreeper

None of the democrats whose names anybody was familiar with prior to around 1965 or thereabouts would want anything to do with todays demoKKKrat party.


12 posted on 04/12/2012 4:25:10 PM PDT by varmintman
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To: Old Badger

I would like to see the phone log between Angela’s office and all branches of the Federal DOJ..... /SUPER SARCASM.


13 posted on 04/12/2012 4:27:44 PM PDT by ptsal (E)
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To: dewawi

God bless Professor Dershowitz.


14 posted on 04/12/2012 4:28:22 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: varmintman

Most of the pre-1965 Democrats would be considered too conservative for today’s REPUBLICAN party!.(IMO).


15 posted on 04/12/2012 4:30:39 PM PDT by hoosierham (Freedom isn't free)
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To: dewawi

Dersh needs to realize the thugs in power don’t care, and that they will kill the Jews first.


16 posted on 04/12/2012 4:31:36 PM PDT by TheThirdRuffian (I will never vote for Romney. Ever.)
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To: Elpasser
A liberal with integrity.

Indeed. He's liberal, but he is not a strict party line guy. He plays it straight. I think much the same can be said of Juan Williams.

17 posted on 04/12/2012 4:34:14 PM PDT by 6SJ7 (Meh.)
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To: dewawi
I believe the prosecutor did it deliberately because Zimmerman wanted her to charge him with SOMETHING so an official ruling could be made.

A judge throwing the case out is an official ruling that he is not guilty of anything.

18 posted on 04/12/2012 4:35:22 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Over half of U.S. murders are of black people, and 90% of them are committed by other black people.)
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To: dewawi

Zimmerman’s lawyer is accepting donations for his defense.

http://www.markomaralaw.com/


19 posted on 04/12/2012 4:46:39 PM PDT by meatloaf (Support House Bill 1380 to eliminate oil slavery.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Shhhh...


20 posted on 04/12/2012 4:48:51 PM PDT by goseminoles
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To: dewawi

New respect for Dershowitz. Never thought I’d say it.


21 posted on 04/12/2012 4:51:49 PM PDT by joe.fralick
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To: dewawi

I could be wrong(and I have been in the past) but I think Dershowitz is starting to get a dose of reality and he is realizing that the Democrates of today are taking him off the cliff. I always respected him, albeit never agreed with him or his politics. He always stayed true to his core beliefs. This administration seems to be more than he can tolerate and he is becoming more vocal. Good for him! Wish he was defending Zimmerman or at least on the team to defend him.


22 posted on 04/12/2012 4:54:59 PM PDT by marygam ((Hurry November 2012, we might not make it))
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To: dewawi

“Paging Mr Nifong...Mr Mike Nifong to the white courtesy phone...”


23 posted on 04/12/2012 4:55:52 PM PDT by Slings and Arrows (You can't have Ingsoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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To: meatloaf

This lawyer should be able to make a ton of money off NBC on a libel case. Think Richard Jewell. I would think he would be giddy to have this case.


24 posted on 04/12/2012 4:58:13 PM PDT by shoedog
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To: Elpasser
God bless Dershowitz. A liberal with integrity.

LOL, don't get carried away.

Dershowitz is just pissed because they 2nd Degreed Zimmerman, instead of Manslaughtering him.

Now nothing will stick, and the case will be tossed.

(BTW, "manslaughter" includes excessive self-defense. This is what Dershowitz was referencing when he spoke of self-defense).

25 posted on 04/12/2012 4:59:04 PM PDT by Talisker (He who commands, must obey.)
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To: dewawi
Isn't it amazing how the blatantly obvious is so controversial?

This is a naked attempt to placate Obama, Jackson, and Sharpton and take a campaign issue away from Obama.

If Zimmerman is drawn and quartered they will just move on to the next victim -- right up until a certain Tuesday on November.

26 posted on 04/12/2012 5:00:25 PM PDT by hopespringseternal
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To: dewawi

Smerconish on MSLSD. That makes perfect sense.


27 posted on 04/12/2012 5:04:21 PM PDT by Fresh Wind ('People have got to know whether or not their president is a crook.' Richard M. Nixon)
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To: shoedog
The imbecile Corey actually had the audacity to state in the charges that the guy screaming for help on the 911 tape was the degenerate crook Martin, who is dead because he assaulted a guy with a gun, and that Zimmerman "confronted" Martin.

That's just breathtaking in it's dishonesty, what is she saying, the black guy was on his knees crying out for help and Zimmerman gunned him down in cold blood?

All of the evidence points to an assault by Martin on a guy he didn't know was packing heat.

Before this is over, Cory will face the consequences of her egregious actions, and the race riot and bloodshed will be on her greedy hands

Zimmerman confronted Martin and a struggle ensued. Witnesses heard people arguing and what sounded like a struggle. During this time period witnesses heard numerous called for help and some of these were recorded in 911 calls to police. Trayvon Martin's mother has reviewed the 911 calls and identified the voice crying for help as Trayvon martin's voice.

28 posted on 04/12/2012 5:19:23 PM PDT by Rome2000 (Rick Santorum -Mission Accomplished)
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To: 6SJ7

You were doing good until you added Jaum Williams. The rats tried to drown him and he’s right back defending them.


29 posted on 04/12/2012 5:19:48 PM PDT by papageo
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To: dewawi
I read the affidavit. It claims a fired casing was recovered. That disputes previous reports that the brass was still in the chamber. Sounds like a lie to me. The "affiant" also presumed to know what Zimmerman's thoughts were about Martin's intent...and stated his thoughts were "false". No bias in that report.

The defense is going to make swiss cheese of that sloppy affidavit.

30 posted on 04/12/2012 5:26:53 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: biggredd1
no wonder that broad was smilin’ at the press conference, she is using it for her re-election...unbelievable!

This beast is on a power trip.

Scott was smart in naming her, she's expendable, a loose cannon, and a moron.

Upon taking office, Corey terminated 10 assistant state attorneys, over half of the investigators, and 48 support employees. In 2010, the Florida Times-Union reported that Corey sent 230 juvenile felony cases to adult court in 2009. This amounted to twice the number of juvenile felony cases placed in adult court in the years prior to Corey becoming State Attorney.

31 posted on 04/12/2012 5:33:53 PM PDT by Rome2000 (Rick Santorum -Mission Accomplished)
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To: dewawi
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32 posted on 04/12/2012 5:35:07 PM PDT by zencycler
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To: biggredd1; ptsal

whoa....

It took 44 days to get to charging Z with 2nd degree murder. during that time no doubt Cory, bondi, Govenor Scott and MAYBE even the DOJ came up with the decision to charge Z....EVEN if the case is flimsy and will be thrown out at arraignment.
they may have collaborated to do this because there is no downside to charging him AT THIS POINT.

It may have been the best decision in light of the political-racial environment. To at this point say “ not enough evidence, everyone go away, we aren’t charging him” would play into the race baitors and anger.
This way, Cory says,”We charged him, we went forward with the evidence, and the case was dismissed. we tried the best we could and we moved forward with the justice system.”

This also gives at least a month for things to cool down, for a FORMAL review of the evidence with the DOJ involved and then there will be a formal report of the evidence. NOW no one would believe that justice was even served.

Yes, this shouldn’t happen this way, but its reality and in the long run may be better for Zimmerman and stronger for the “hold your ground:”law.


33 posted on 04/12/2012 5:46:01 PM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie (NEWT in 2012)
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To: Rome2000

I believe the affidavit merely has to contain enough facts to support probable cause for him to be held on the charge. It doesn’t have to recite information helpful to the defense.


34 posted on 04/12/2012 5:47:34 PM PDT by Williams (a)
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To: Slings and Arrows

If you look at the press conference with cory she was NOT a Nifong.

She is drawing this out and calming things down.
she may very well know this will not fly with the evidence they have, and thus, while she loses the case, Zimmerman is salvaged and so is “Hold your ground.”


35 posted on 04/12/2012 5:48:57 PM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie (NEWT in 2012)
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To: Rome2000

In my opinion, she will get the party’s support because they know this case is most likely unwinnable, but in light of the circumstances...Z is better off being charged and the case dismissed at arraignment or acquitted...

so cory “loses this case”, taking one for the team by salvaging what has become a collasol mess all around.


36 posted on 04/12/2012 5:53:00 PM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie (NEWT in 2012)
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To: joe.fralick
New respect for Dershowitz. Never thought I’d say it.

Most of the time I don't agree with Dershowitz, but I've always respected him. If I think long enough, then I may come up with an exception or two, but he's always been a man of his principles - not political expediencies, not public opinion, and not the DNC.

37 posted on 04/12/2012 5:55:14 PM PDT by Scoutmaster (You knew the job was dangerous when you took it)
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To: Williams
Yes probable cause for 2nd degree and I don't see it either in the affidavit.
38 posted on 04/12/2012 5:57:55 PM PDT by snarkytart (http://www.freerepubli224%2C1)
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To: Rome2000

” This beast is on a power trip.

Scott was smart in naming her, she’s expendable, a loose cannon, and a moron.”

She has a future in movies.....John Waters movies.....


39 posted on 04/12/2012 5:58:31 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: Talisker

No he’s not he clearly stated the affidavit is in line with the DEFENSE OF SELF DEFENSE. Nowhere he is suggesting manslaughter.


40 posted on 04/12/2012 5:59:37 PM PDT by snarkytart (http://www.freerepubli224%2C1)
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To: SoFloFreeper

Similar to Ron Silver’s “conversion” from mega-liberal after 9/11 and the Muslims’ hatred of Israel. I was sad when he died. Good actor.


41 posted on 04/12/2012 6:04:05 PM PDT by MayflowerMadam
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To: Rome2000
This beast is on a power trip.

Scott was smart in naming her, she's expendable, a loose cannon, and a moron.

Ladies and gentlemen, we already have a verdict in the Trayvon Martin shooting ...


Guilty!

42 posted on 04/12/2012 6:12:01 PM PDT by cynwoody
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To: dewawi
I heard Levin read the affidavit today. I can't believe that the prosecutor said that Zimmerman said "They always get away" as evidence of his state of mind. The recording clearly shows that Zimmerman said "They always get away... [breath... breath]… from the back gate."

An honest listen will show that he wasn't lamenting that they get away, he was telling the police where to look for the suspect.

This is a dishonest affidavit. It's becoming clear that Zimmerman is being nifonged.

-PJ

43 posted on 04/12/2012 6:20:49 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (If you can vote for President, then your children can run for President.)
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To: Political Junkie Too

Good catch. I didn’t notice that — didn’t remember the specific comment from the recording. The affidavit was laughable: “his mom verified that was his voice.” Huh??? Yeah, victims’ family who were actual witnesses to an event obviously have standing to provide evidence, but you don’t get an OPINION from a family member of the alleged victim — much less his MOM!


44 posted on 04/12/2012 7:02:09 PM PDT by 1L
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To: 1L
It's very easy to miss, because there is a few second gap between Zimmerman saying "they always get away" and his continuing the thought with "through the back gate," since he's catching his breath in between the two parts of the sentence.

I know that with our MSM's short attention span, they don't always make it to the end of a sentence when quoting others.

-PJ

45 posted on 04/12/2012 7:11:26 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (If you can vote for President, then your children can run for President.)
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To: TheThirdRuffian

Amen to that.


46 posted on 04/12/2012 7:28:20 PM PDT by Aquamarine
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