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Case of man shot at 90 times on freeway 'tragic,' LAPD says
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/ ^ | April 13, 2012 | | http://latimesblogs.latimes.com

Posted on 04/13/2012 9:53:42 AM PDT by dragnet2

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Some reports say over 125 rounds were fired at this guy.

I think he was possibly holding his cell out, videoing the cops while talking to 911.

That should be an interesting 911 call when made public.

1 posted on 04/13/2012 9:53:47 AM PDT by dragnet2
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To: dragnet2

Paging race pimps....procede to LA post haste.


2 posted on 04/13/2012 9:56:31 AM PDT by Mouton (Voting is an opiate of the electorate. Nothing changes no matter who wins..)
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To: dragnet2

Maybe he was hurrying to buy skittles before the store closed.


3 posted on 04/13/2012 9:56:53 AM PDT by whatexit
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To: dragnet2

Muzzies love the number 19.

I wonder if this Muzzie got his 72 virgins for doing his jihad against the American infidels?


4 posted on 04/13/2012 9:57:23 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: dragnet2

Arian responded with expletives and warned that the police are “going to get hurt.”

_______

Trying to give a damn....

Nope.


5 posted on 04/13/2012 9:58:01 AM PDT by WakeUpAndVote
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To: dragnet2

When the first 75 or so rounds don’t do the job.

Question is, does a human body stand/sit upright after being shot the first 80 or so times? So, is it necessary to keep shooting a slumped body? I don’t know the exact circumstances (filtered through the corrupt MSM) but this seems hard to understand what the police were thinking.


6 posted on 04/13/2012 9:58:58 AM PDT by Obadiah
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To: dragnet2

Sometimes there just are not enough bullets. This was not one of those unfortunate times.


7 posted on 04/13/2012 10:00:18 AM PDT by Autonomous User ( As God is my witness, I thought turkeys could fly.)
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To: dragnet2

Suicide by cop.


8 posted on 04/13/2012 10:01:41 AM PDT by exit82 (Democrats are the enemies of freedom. Be Andrew Breitbart.)
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To: Obadiah

Didn’t say he got hit that many times. “Shot at”


9 posted on 04/13/2012 10:02:10 AM PDT by goseminoles
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To: dragnet2

The guy does seem like he may have been a mental case or on drugs, and if reports are to be believed (corrupt MSM) then their was certainly justification to take this guy down. I just get a kick out of the officers emptying magazine after magazine into a lifeless body on the ground. 125 shots fired at the guy? Hard not to laugh at such a movie-like scene.


10 posted on 04/13/2012 10:03:29 AM PDT by Obadiah
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To: Obadiah

You’re assuming they actually hit him that many times.


11 posted on 04/13/2012 10:04:02 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Obadiah

This is probably why DHS ordered 500 million rounds..


12 posted on 04/13/2012 10:04:36 AM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: goseminoles

Well then, maybe these guys need more time at the range.


13 posted on 04/13/2012 10:05:03 AM PDT by Obadiah
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To: dragnet2

LOL! Yeah, you’re probably right. Ha ha.


14 posted on 04/13/2012 10:05:56 AM PDT by Obadiah
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To: Obadiah

Review of the 911 call gave the cops every reason in the world to do what they did.


15 posted on 04/13/2012 10:06:16 AM PDT by FedsRStealingOurCountryFromUs
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To: Obadiah
I just get a kick out of the officers emptying magazine after magazine into a lifeless body on the ground.

Do try to keep up; they FIRED 90+ rounds, doesn't mean they LANDED 90+ rounds.

It DOES mean more range time needed.

16 posted on 04/13/2012 10:07:38 AM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: dragnet2

No photos of the Amish fellow who died in this “tragedy”?


17 posted on 04/13/2012 10:08:05 AM PDT by onemiddleamerican (FUBO and all your terrorist buddies)
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To: goseminoles

A lot to be said about the deficiencies in training.

Takes but one shot to take the man down ~ or kill him.

It also represents many opportunities for innocents to be hit.


18 posted on 04/13/2012 10:09:44 AM PDT by himno hero (Obamas theme...Death to America...The crusaders will pay!)
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To: Izzy Dunne
they FIRED 90+ rounds, doesn't mean they LANDED 90+ rounds. It DOES mean more range time needed.

When ya got a dozen or two dozen cops all emptying their weapons at one suspect...well... range time probably isn't an issue since the suspect is full of holes and very dead, regardless.

19 posted on 04/13/2012 10:12:01 AM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: whatexit

I wondered what happened to him.

I got the tea asked for but since he never showed up I drank it....


20 posted on 04/13/2012 10:12:07 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: Izzy Dunne

I seem to remember an incident a couple years ago where the cops fired 200+ rounds at a guy in a car, didn’t kill him, and managed to shoot 2 or t3 of themselves in the process. A real circular firing squad.


21 posted on 04/13/2012 10:12:57 AM PDT by oncebitten (Obama: "A Big Ole’ Hunk of Nothing on Two Thick Slices of Nada.”)
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To: dragnet2

Excessive exhibition of ammunition


22 posted on 04/13/2012 10:16:47 AM PDT by Sutrut
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This reminds me of the old Italian Army jokes. How was mousilini kiled? he was killed by a single bullet fired by 70 Italian marksmen.

90 to 125 bullets fired and they have to wonder is others were endangered by stray bullets. The LAPD should have to attend hispanic gang book camps and study up on drive by shootings.


23 posted on 04/13/2012 10:17:20 AM PDT by dirtymac (Now is the time for all good men to come to the aid of their country., Really! NOW!!!)
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To: Obadiah

If 10 police officers fire 9 rounds each (4 or 5 seconds), 90 rounds converge rather quickly.

If any of them re-loaded and fired, I’d investigate. Otherwise, it’s suicide by cop.


24 posted on 04/13/2012 10:18:05 AM PDT by Tenacious 1 (With regards to the GOP: I am prodisestablishmentarianistic!)
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To: dragnet2
A clear-cut case of suicide-by-cop.

You can't blame the cops for this one.

25 posted on 04/13/2012 10:18:44 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Over half of U.S. murders are of black people, and 90% of them are committed by other black people.)
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To: Autonomous User

Sounds more like they ran out of dogs to shoot and had a quota to meet!


26 posted on 04/13/2012 10:19:23 AM PDT by muawiyah
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Folks, as someone as who as been in few high speed pursuits, I would like to share some of the insights of such.

Your heartrate is well above two hundred beats during these things, and it’s not a gradual increase. It’s one second you are at your sitting heart rate and then you are at sprinting rate.

You become enraged because this guy is fleeing a crime that he just committed and putting you and every other person on the road at deadly risk. Just to flee responsibility for something he did.

Pursuits almost always end in a wreck, and adrenaline dump gives the suspect the ability to climb out of a vehicle crash that would have killed a normal person. They always proceed to run, leap fences, sometimes fight, etc, with amazing strength and endurance. But they very rarely give up, and many times when they do get cornered in the car and cannot escape, the reach for something in an apparent attempt to intimidate the officers into backing off.

It never works and they die in a hail of bullets.

Now, ask yourselves how well you would fare with accuracy after an extended vehicle pursuit, where your emotions are white hot, your heart rate is above 220 bpm, and you had to run after a suspect after he bailed?

Your rounds would be all over the place too.


27 posted on 04/13/2012 10:19:30 AM PDT by Molon Labbie (A Bounty on Zimmerman, Can Be A Bounty On ANYONE. No NBPP Mob Justice!)
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To: dragnet2

Obviously they missed with the first 89 shots.

It happens at those distances.


28 posted on 04/13/2012 10:20:11 AM PDT by Tenacious 1 (With regards to the GOP: I am prodisestablishmentarianistic!)
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To: Obadiah

100 rounds in 5 seconds...

100 Round Glock
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4ZivnRZG5Q

Oh and I want one!


29 posted on 04/13/2012 10:20:39 AM PDT by TSgt (The only reason I have one in the chamber at all times, is because it is impossible to have two in.)
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I completely disagree with the LAPD. This was in no way “tragic”. This was a violent criminal, putting civilian and police lives in serious jeopardy. He obviously *wanted* to be killed by the police, as demonstrated by his actions. And the police did their job, which they were hired to do and paid to do, in keeping the public safer by stopping such berserkers.

A “tragedy” would have been if he had harmed police or other innocent persons by his actions. A lesser tragedy were he to have destroyed the property of others who would be hard pressed to replace what he destroyed, perhaps costing them their livelihood. An “annoyance” were he, by his actions, to block travelers on public thoroughfares or cost the public money again, by his vandalism.

That the police shot at him 90 times to end his rampage is not “tragic”, but it does demonstrate that they need to improve their shooting skills.


30 posted on 04/13/2012 10:21:43 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy ("It is already like a government job," he said, "but with goats." -- Iranian goat smuggler)
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To: dragnet2
Reminds me of this scene from the movie, "The Gauntlet"


31 posted on 04/13/2012 10:22:48 AM PDT by Obadiah
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To: Vendome
I got the tea asked for but since he never showed up I drank it....

In his condition, it would have gone right through him anyway.

32 posted on 04/13/2012 10:22:49 AM PDT by Tenacious 1 (With regards to the GOP: I am prodisestablishmentarianistic!)
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To: Obadiah
The guy does seem like he may have been a mental case or on drugs, and if reports are to be believed (corrupt MSM) then their was certainly justification to take this guy down.

The whole thing was caught by a camera in a police helicopter. The guy certainly did look like he was pointing a gun at the police while running away, and combined with the police statement that he told a 911 dispatcher that he had a gun, this seems like a justifiable shoot. I suspect the guy was trying to make the police think he had a gun in the belief that they'd let him get away rather than shoot. Bad choice.

news report with helicopter video

33 posted on 04/13/2012 10:23:09 AM PDT by Bubba Ho-Tep ("More weight!"--Giles Corey)
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A while back a sheriff in the central Florida area told a liberal bleeding heart reporter this:
A scum bag shot and killed one of his deputies then ran off into the woods and was hiding in a gopher hole. Several deputies went in the woods looking for him When they found him he wouldn't come out of the hole. They shot him 60 or 70 times. The reporter asked why they shot him 60 or 70 times. The sheriff said: We ran out of bullets. . . . . . . .
34 posted on 04/13/2012 10:23:09 AM PDT by DeaconRed (I am not a Golfer; however I love ping. Ask me why. . . . .)
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No photos of the Amish fellow who died in this “tragedy”?

That is the intellectual wit that has me addicted to FR.

Funny stuff.

35 posted on 04/13/2012 10:24:27 AM PDT by Tenacious 1 (With regards to the GOP: I am prodisestablishmentarianistic!)
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To: dragnet2

If I were one of the people caught in that traffic jam I would want to pump 10 or 20 rounds into his dead body.


36 posted on 04/13/2012 10:24:53 AM PDT by forgotten man (forgotten man)
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More info here:

http://www.dailynews.com/news/ci_20386028/friends-family-mourn-death-aspiring-cop-abdul-arian


37 posted on 04/13/2012 10:25:23 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Sutrut

So you wouldn’t aim to kill for yourself, or your fellow officers?

I’d hate to have to depend on you for backup.


38 posted on 04/13/2012 10:26:16 AM PDT by onedoug
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Holding an object in your hands like you might hold a gun, will get you just as dead as if you really had a gun.


39 posted on 04/13/2012 10:26:34 AM PDT by nuconvert ( Khomeini promised change too // Hail, Chairman O)
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I wouldn’t be surprised if the officers were 40 to 50 feet away from the perp at the time of the shooting. I haven’t seen the video yet, but it’s reasoned to think the officers would fire until the perp went down. If he continued to hold his hands out in a firing stance, I’d still consider him to be a threat.

What would be your take on things if you stopped after firing two shots, and one of your fellow officers was shot dead shortly thereafter? Would his wife and kids be comforted by your efforts to keep the bullet count down?

If the guy demonstrates the behavior this guy did, you take him down. Only ONE PERSON is responsible for what took place. It was the dead perp.

If I ever take a shooting stance against the police in a similar situation, I give them permission up front to take me out.


40 posted on 04/13/2012 10:30:44 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (I believe in Cap and Trade. I know, I know... Cap spending and trade Obama!)
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To: Obadiah
Reminds me of this scene from the movie...

I'm thinking of L.A. Story, where there is some annual "open shooting" day on the thruway.

41 posted on 04/13/2012 10:33:19 AM PDT by C210N (Mitt "Severe Etch-a-Sketch" mcRominate-me)
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To: Molon Labbie
Folks, as someone as who as been in few high speed pursuits, I would like to share some of the insights of such.

It sounds like you should stop running from police and be thankful the police are such bad shops.

PS - Training is suppose to significantly reduce the effect you describe. Your suggestion supports an argument that police can't be trusted to act reasonably or professionally in high stress situations.

42 posted on 04/13/2012 10:37:18 AM PDT by Tenacious 1 (With regards to the GOP: I am prodisestablishmentarianistic!)
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To: dragnet2

Let the riots begin.


43 posted on 04/13/2012 10:38:43 AM PDT by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it and the law is what WE say it is.)
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To: dragnet2

Seems like a “good shooting,” in the sense of being entirely justified by what was known at the time.

It’s only a “tragedy” in that the young man probably was mentally ill. It’s a shame he had to have a meltdown like this.


44 posted on 04/13/2012 10:41:50 AM PDT by pogo101
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To: himno hero
Takes but one shot to take the man down ~ or kill him.

Sometimes one rounds is enough, some times one round isn't enough. People don't always die after being shot even when shot in the head.

45 posted on 04/13/2012 10:44:11 AM PDT by Ajnin (Neca eos omnes. Deus suos agnocet!)
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To: dragnet2

Abdul Arian - Sounds like a made up name. Like Orangello or Lemonjello


46 posted on 04/13/2012 10:45:56 AM PDT by BO Stinkss
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To: dragnet2

Most of them shoot Glocks, so it’s unsurprising that most of them also don’t know how to shoot at all.


47 posted on 04/13/2012 10:48:03 AM PDT by Goldsborough
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To: Obadiah
When the first 75 or so rounds don’t do the job.

Yeah, well, there's always the case of Mark Essex - "An autopsy later revealed more than 200 gunshot wounds." -Wiki

Not that Essex didn't have it coming, but...I remember reading in a true crime book that during the hunt, some cops were wounded by ricochets from the amount of rounds that they were pouring into an enclosed area.

48 posted on 04/13/2012 10:50:10 AM PDT by Calvin Locke
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Your suggestion supports an argument that police can't be trusted to act reasonably or professionally

I understand with what you're saying and tend to agree somewhat.

I used to be 100+ percent pro-law enforcement etc...Sadly, my trust has diminished substantially.

To be perfectly honest, I no longer trust government or their agents.

49 posted on 04/13/2012 10:51:07 AM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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he turned again and assumed what police called a "shooting stance." He appeared to wield a weapon. His uncle believed it was a cellphone.

I'm reminded of the process of natural selection. Hopefully he hadn't bred yet.

50 posted on 04/13/2012 10:51:22 AM PDT by McGruff (Don't go wobbly on me now Newt. You're our only hope.)
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