Skip to comments.We will not waste our limited resources on FR in support for a liberal progressive LIAR
Posted on 04/13/2012 12:13:14 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
A reminder for those who are not receiving the message:
Romney is a pathological compulsive liar. Lie after lie papered over with more lies. Doesnt even flinch when caught in bald faced lies, simply tells another big whopper to cover up or dodge the issue. Funny thing, the man actually seems to believe his own latest lies and simply ignores the glaring record of his past actions/lies. And you have true blue establishment elite RINO Republicans like Karl Rove enabling and backing up his lies. Their motivation is simply to hang on to power (and riches) any way they can.
Ive stated many times since Romney started running for the presidency way back when that Id never vote for him and I will not. He cannot lie his way out of his decades long record of support for abortion, Roe v Wade, planned parenthood, gay rights, gun control, global warming, amnesty, liberal judges, big government, compulsory or socialized health care (RomneyCommieCare), mandates, Keynesian economics, support and approval of TARP, bailouts, stimulus packages, i.e, every damn liberal progressive issue that comes down the pike.
Cmon. These are the reasons the tea party sprang up and the reasons he and Rove loathe the tea party and our tea party conservative candidates. Romney famously expressed his loathing for Reagan-Bush conservatism several years ago when he was trying to run to the left of Ted Kennedy and now hes cloaking himself in Reagan conservatism, knowing full well that its a lie, but he knows its the only way he can possibly win, er buy the Republican nomination.
Screw Romney!! I absolutely will not support or vote for a proven compulsive liar with a known record of abortion and big government socialism, liberal appointments, etc. He still lies about RomneyCommieCare today. Calls it a conservative solution. Get real!!
Listen to what Ronald Reagan had to say about the elites pushing socialism on America via compulsory health insurance:
Ronald Reagan speaks out against RomneyCommieCare
There will be no campaign for this Massachusetts liberal liar on FR!!
Damn the libs and RINOS, full steam ahead!!
But no matter what happens we must turn out in November to vote IN as many conservatives and vote OUT as many rats as possible at all levels of government. If we don't have a conservative at the top of the ticket we must turn out anyway and vote straight conservative DOWN ticket!! Just think of it an off cycle election and pour on the TEA!! It'll be doubly important that we control both houses of congress and as many statehouses as possible.
Restore the 10th amendment!! Impeach the leftist president whoever he may be!! Restore Liberty!! Rebellion comes from the bottom up!!
WOO HOO!! I CAN SEE NOVEMBER FROM MY HOUSE!!
No Bama!! No Romney!! Go tea party rebellion!!
“I have had several FReep mails that tell me I am stupid and allowing Obama to win if I do not vote for Scumney. But I will not. Period.”
I will not vote for Romney ever either!! I haven’t had FReepmail, but my own (conservative) husband is telling me that anyone is better than Obama, etc. so it is going to be a difficult stand for those of us who will not compromise and water down our principles.
And hello, Dallas, from Flower Mound.
You sure hit that nail on the head.
I've been saying for months that I think Gingrich and Santorum get along much better than many of their supporters. Real damage has been done to the conservative movement by some people who have made it their goal to tear down social conservatives who are not sufficiently “pure” on economic or national defense conservative issues.
I've always believed that I can work with someone who meets the Romans 13 standards for civil government as long as they're not openly opposed to a Christian conservative agenda. I'll take allies where I can get them.
However, John McCain did lasting damage in 2000 by his attacks on Christian conservatives, despite having a record of being pro-life, and that forced him to nominate someone like Sarah Palin. Mitt Romney is far worse than John McCain. The logical conclusion from that should be that Christian conservatives, now that “our candidate” is out, need to back Newt Gingrich while we still have at least a shred of a chance to defeat Mitt Romney.
I'm willing to do that. But the implicit and sometimes even overt Christian-bashing of the last few months has not helped.
As someone who was watching C-Span years ago back when Gingrich and his Conservative Opportunity Society got started, I know there's a lot to admire about Gingrich.
I think most Newt Gingrich supporters here were and are sincere.
Note that I said “most,” not all.
I find it very interesting how many people are now coming out and saying Republicans need to get behind Romney, even though he hasn't yet won the Republican Party nomination. I can see the point after a nominee is selected, but why now? That's defeatism at best, and I strongly suspect in some cases it's not defeatism caused by exhaustion but rather deliberate and according to plan.
We'll never know for sure how many of the Santorum-bashers were paid Romney infiltrators trying to sow chaos. And yes, I'm guessing that Romney probably paid some people to come on here and support Santorum as well. He's got enough money to pay people to play all sides of the fence if he thinks it will help sow hatred and discontent among his opponents.
It used to be said you can buy advertising in a political campaign, but you can't buy commitments, and it takes committed volunteers, many of whom never show up on any candidate campaign roster, to win an election.
Romney may be proving that wrong this year, but only in part. He's almost won the Republican Party primary by outspending his opponents, but barely eked out victories in key swing states. He can't do that against Barack Obama who has at least as much money and probably more.
If it takes 10-to-1 spending advantages for Romney to win elections, he'll go down to a devastating defeat against Obama when the spending ratio is much closer to even.
I lost my first child to this genocide because the Mother decided, without telling me, while I was in uniform and away, to end her pregnancy without any input or knowledge on my part! By the time I learned of the pregnancy, my child was dead! I say "my child" because he/she was just an "unwanted cellular mass" to her!
This is a loss and pain I will carry all the rest of my life as I have carried it since it happened.
So just shut up and go somewhere else to pat yourself on the back for being such a Good Little Christian!
This could go on for quite some time, but unfortunately I have a laundry list of things to git done today. This will be my last post, but I look forward to your future diatribes with considerable interest.
PS The weather's nice here.
“I can see the point after a nominee is selected, but why now? “
How about the fact that Mitt has 666 delegates to Newt’s 136? People here can engage in some kind of fantasy that Newt’s going to have some amazing comeback and win 85% of the remaining delegates, but that’s just not going to happen.
And, even if we go to a brokered convention, does anyone honestly think they’re just going to kick Romney off the slate and pick some fresh-faced hard-core conservative to face Obama? That’s not going to happen either.
I find this whole thread deeply disturbing.
No, Romney was not my choice. But I will definitely vote for him. I refuse to ‘not vote’. That, in my opinion, is showing support for Obama.
SORE LOSERMAN comes to mind.
How about thinking? The point is to keep Romney from getting 1144. Brokered convention and a chance at a better choice.
And, even if we go to a brokered convention, does anyone honestly think theyre just going to kick Romney off the slate and pick some fresh-faced hard-core conservative to face Obama? Thats not going to happen either.
If one doesn't even try then there can be no failure? Listen, failure is certain if one doesn't even try! Surrender before the battle is foolish.
General Washington! The English have overwhelming numbers! Let's surrender now!"
I am actually curious why zots are not being tossed around this time too. It is usually the course with hoots and hollers by the best of the yes men.
[Conservatives never surrender. We don’t retreat. We reload.]
I couldn’t agree with you more, onyx, far too many people in our country and here on FR have grown tired and just want it over with.
Just suppose as Washington and his men were crossing the Potomac that his Army, ‘General we need to turn back, we are too TIRED’?
What if before the Normandy Invasion, the troops complained that they were too TIRED and refused to participate?
What if the Framers of our Constitution complained...’we’ve been writing this thing far too long and we’re TIRED, it’s not going to matter anyhow’?
As Conservatives, we face the same decisions today, do we stop ‘rowing our boat’ to victory?
Do we refuse to carry forth our own ‘invasion’ to the front lines in Florida?
Do we drop our ‘pens of protest’ to an impending danger to our country?
I’ve reached my own decision and pray that others will not be intimidated, grow tired and surrender.
Although I did not want Romney, although I am furious at the GOP, although I want all of the Washington political people turned out, I will never give my vote to Obama.
How easy for Obama to get re-elected - he has the blacks, the hispanics, the women, the “I want a check from the government” people, the “I believe the media” people. And, now, guess he has taken over one conservative website.
Well, I am too afraid of what Obama will do to America to cave that easily.
If “conservatives” would stay in and fight - we might have a chance to beat the liberals. But, every year, every candidate, every decision, FR is full of the naysayers, the “he lost me because of ..........” crowd.
No one is good enough for them - so they, in effect, throw in their votes to the other side. Guess they are more interested in giving their vote to the perfect candidate than in preserving America for us and the future.
Sure glad our country was formed by others who could see that you do not always get who or what you want - but you keep the goal in mind and fight.
Yes, it will be awful to fall under a soviet-style dictatorship. Therefore we should adopt the same ends-justifies-the-means reasoning that drives the left. That is your argument. Remember the book 1984, where Orwell’s hero finally succumbs to his fears, his basic instinct for physical survival, and professes his love for Big Brother. In rough terms, that is where we are. The would-be tyrants of the left have planned all along to limit our political choices to only those candidates that support their objectives. It is called the Hegellian Dialectic, though Beck has tried recently to popularize it as the so-called Overton Window. Our current dilemma is just such a construct, a designer crisis, if you will, and a manipulation of the most brazen and insidious sort. See how it equip people like you to use fear and guilt to wrench people like us from voting our principles. But will it really be our fault if,in this one last election cycle, we as a nation sell out our founders and surrender to despotism? No. We reject the manipulation. The guilt belongs elsewhere than on the shoulders of those who reject crypto-leftists as the great stop-gap savior of conservatives. The blame belongs with those who sell their principles a little at a time, just to buy another day of survival. This is the moment for drawing a line in the sand and saying thus far, but no farther. There may be no better time than now to take that stand. This may be our Alamo. I hope future generations find in us that same measure of courage.
now coming out and saying Republicans need to get behind Romney, even though he hasn’t yet won the Republican Party nomination.
I don’t think most are doing that and are NOT supporting Romney. I think it is more of a defensive position because many on this forum are telling others to not vote for him IF he wins the nomination which is the same as a vote for the Kenyan. Many on here, obviously, want Barry out. They want ABO and I do not disagree with them. I never did and never will “support” Mittens. I hope he self destructs and is not the nominee. But in the end, in November, I will vote against Barry Soeotro.
That is a very sad story and I’m sorry for your loss.
Some people are trying to be realistic here. Is Newt even running a real campaign anymore anyway? He's flat broke to the tune of 4.5 million in the hole and appears to have remained in the race just to keep some media attention on his speeches. He's said several times Romney is the likely nominee and that he is remaining in the race to help shape the platform. When Santorum dropped perhaps Gingrich was hoping for a resurgence, but his SuperPAC backer(s) are long gone and he simply doesn't have the support to even compete. It looks to me like he is just out having some fun, enjoying what media attention he has left till it officially runs out.
I chose to support Newt after Perry dropped out, Palin voted for him, Todd endorsed him, he has a lot of support on FR, but none of it has made any difference. Political realities are what they are and sometimes you have to accept them. I suppose the Rochester school of the Blind MIGHT be able to beat the NY Giants, but come on, we all know what is going to happen and pretending otherwise is beginning to border on silliness.
I find this whole thread deeply disturbing.
Boy oh boy, is that an understatement.
Defeatism is not realistic. If The Founders had been “realistic” we’d still be a colony.
I will put my conservative “credentials” up against yours, or any other melon brain that ever touched a keyboard.
ANYBODY that would passively allow obsama to have another term under any circumstances, has absolutely no right to call himself an American. Our chance to get a conservative candidate was during the primaries. There will be another chance in four years - that is if there still IS an United States by then.
And let me be the first to say it, if Ron Paul hands this election over to the communists by running as a Libertarian, he is a traitor and so is anyone that supports him.
[I think Gingrich and Santorum get along much better...]
Within the coming days, Santorum has to make an important decision.
Will he sacrifice his ‘beliefs’ of true Conservatism for a temporary power position with Romney or will he prove himself to everyone he stands solidly behind his spoken ‘campaign words’.
This tread by Jim, if nothing more, has separated the wheat from the chafe and when it comes to Santorum the same will be evident with which path he walks down.
I will be voting for Newt in the Texas Primary in May. Unfortunately, the Romulan coronation has already taken place because the Republican establishment allows crossover democrats and RINOS in conservative stronghold states like New Hampshire and Iowa to determine our candidate.
I am ABO and voting for Romney.
Judge Robert Bork is leading Romney’s judicial selection panel for all district and appellate court appointments. This is good enough for me. I don’t believe Bork is a RINO or worse.
Four more years of Obama and we won’t have a nation to fight over in 2016.
My two cents to this thread: Obama and his EO's and SCOTUS nominations scare me to death for my children. I will vote for a box of corn flakes before I stay home and be a part of his re-election.
and FReepers were a lot smarter in those days
You are assuming that all of these are really Freepers(conservatives). I would love to know how many are really Demonrats trying to get other Freepers to stay home so their lord and master, Barry Soetoro can win. He needs 4 more years to complete his coup.
I see this a lot. Who said we're staying home? We SAID we won't vote for Romney. Presidential isn't the only ticket in November. The primaries are NOT over and Romney does NOT have 1144.
Realism is what prevents a 110 lb skinny kid from fighting a 300 lb martial arts master. It's what prevents a little country with no army from attacking a big country with a big army. It's why we have divisions in college football, weight classes in boxing, sports leagues split between men and women, etc. When the score of a football game is 45-0 in the last 5 minutes of the 4th quarter, sometimes you face reality, pull your starters and plan for how to move forward to the next match.
It's okay to reach for the stars, but at various points in life reality sets in and one sometimes has to adjust for it.
The numbers are NOT with Mitt
Posted by noprisoners49 (Diary)
Friday, April 13th at 5:30PM EDT
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Mitt Romney must win over 60% of all remaining hard delegates to secure the GOP nomination. Surprised?
19 states still need to be heard from, and of those states 869 hard delegates are available at the state and district level (discounting the 37 total delegates available between Indiana and Arkansas, which have proportionality rules only a democrat could love). State and committee GOP delegates number about 69, which Im throwing into my calculations as a given for Romney.
Nevertheless, Romney still needs 663 delegates to reach that magic 1144 number.
Can he do it?
Of the 11,280,792 votes cast so far, Romney has accumulated 4,595,908 or only about 41%. Typically, Romney does not garner more than an average of 44% of the vote. Santorum averaged about 25% of the vote. Even if half of Santorums supporters vote for Mitt, this still does not give him the necessary 60+ % to secure the GOP nomination.
And yet in 1776, the skinny kid did exactly that. And won. Despite those who cried in fear. It's no different now.
Exactly. I guess the frightened sheep can't count.
You actually believe we would be better off voting in as many conservatives as possible and having Obama in office than if we voted in as many conservatives as possible and had Romney?
With Obama in office, even the RINO’s will oppose him. Virtually no Republicans will stand up to Romney. Why is it that more conservative goals were accomplished during Clinton’s 8 years than during 12 years under the Bushes.
I wanted Herman Cain before the Cain Train was derailed by those bogus sexual harassment/affair charges from those women (and I *STILL* believe they were bogus). Then I wanted Perry...Bachmann....Rick or Newt. I’m still clinging to hope for Newt. He was my choice for the GA primary.
My only quibble with NOT voting for the lesser of two evils (Romney) is, how do we get rid of Obamacare if SCOTUS does the unthinkable and lets it stand? I think that SURELY Roberts-Scalia-Thomas-Alito + Kennedy will do the right thing...and then I remember the Kelo decision. Even if we retain the majority in the House and gain the majority in the Senate, would we have the 2/3 necessary to override Obummer’s inevitable veto? IF we can believe him, at least Romney has pledged to get rid of Obamacare.
Jim, we are not yet defeated. Per Alinsky they want us to feel defeated but if you look at the real facts it looks difficult but not impossible to prevent Romney from winning the Nomination.
Romney only has 535 committed delegates now. There are not too many winner take all States left to win. And the pattern for Romney in proportional states is he wins urban but not rural areas. SO, if people come out to vote enough and continue to vote the Not-Romney ticket he will be denied the 1444 he needs. The GOPe and Dems want us to feel defeated when we are not.
And a push to “Vote Not-Romney & Take It To The Convention” is not subject to Rove’s Negative attack machine. It is possible we can still stop him if we spread the word far enough. Continue voting not-Romney and help get not-Romney delegates for the convention.
If Obama gets re-elected he will have a mandate.
if he gets re-elected by the end of 4 more years we will probably have his real goal...single payer.
Look at this thread. The sheep are buying what the elitists are selling. That doesn't mean that I won't fight back by posting the truth but herding sheep is tiring. ;-)
God Bless Jim for being the constant voice of conservatism and principles.
“Romney is a pathological compulsive liar. Lie after lie papered over with more lies. Doesnt even flinch when caught in bald faced lies, simply tells another big whopper to cover up or dodge the issue. Funny thing, the man actually seems to believe his own latest lies and simply ignores the glaring record of his past actions/lies. And you have true blue establishment elite RINO Republicans like Karl Rove enabling and backing up his lies. Their motivation is simply to hang on to power (and riches) any way they can.”
Romney backs Obama on abortion, the stimulus, TARP, war time tables, gun control laws, amnesty for illegals, government mandated healthcare:
“Voting against Obama is not necessarily voting for Romney”
There is no lever named “Against Obama”
The lever you pull will be labeled Willard Romney.
Is this thread seriously still going? I guess some people just can’t accept the concepts involved, that support for Mitt of any kind is a no-go here.
“Don’t even attempt to lecture me on this subject you sanctimonious individual! I lost my first child to this genocide “
It is not sanctimonious to point out that the guy you claim to vote for supported what you claim to be deeply scarred by.
How you work out the affirmation for a supporter of abortion with the pain of real life experience with abortion is your decision alone.
I will continue to point out the facts of Willard Romney. In your own conscience, you will make your own decision. I’ve made my own.
Supporters of Willard Romney, who are here promoting him, are Romney pimps.
If you are not doing that, it clearly didn’t refer to you.
Plenty of Santorum supporters torn down Newt Including Santorum himself.
And let's not forget that it was Newt leading Mitt before all that happened.
Yes. And I’m appalled by the fear I see posted on here. It isn’t over by a long shot and yet they bleat.
[Some people are trying to be realistic here. Is Newt even running a real campaign anymore anyway? He’s flat broke to the tune of 4.5 million in the hole and appears to have remained in the race just to keep some media attention on his speeches. He’s said several times Romney is the likely nominee and that he is remaining in the race to help shape the platform. When Santorum dropped perhaps Gingrich was hoping for a resurgence, but his SuperPAC backer(s) are long gone and he simply doesn’t have the support to even compete. It looks to me like he is just out having some fun, enjoying what media attention he has left till it officially runs out.]
That would APPEAR to be accurate but allow me to forward an out of the box view and a question.
What is a valuable tactic a General use in a battle?
Would it not be to confuse the ‘enemy’ to where his attack is going to be launched?
Would the General also ‘let it be known’ that his resources are low so the ‘enemy’ won’t waste their ammunition on him?
As many have said on this VALUABLE thread...this battle isn’t over, we may have shed some blood in the process but it is righteous and it imperative we remain unbowed and resolute.
Glass half full.
Your country is being ripped asunder by people who care nothing whatsoever about the Constitution, and you sit there with your nose in the air, talking about playing by the rules?
You pathetic little twit. Don't you know when it's time to fight?