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After Zimmerman Arrest, Activists Look To Gun Laws
National Public Radio / The Associated Press ^ | April 13, 2012

Posted on 04/13/2012 1:40:38 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

The civil rights groups that turned outrage over Trayvon Martin's death into action say their work is far from over now that his killer has been charged with second-degree murder. Next, they hope to harness the activism to challenge Florida's "stand your ground" law and similar statutes in 24 other states.

But they also worry about maintaining their momentum during what could be a long judicial process and translating it into political action that could help sway lawmakers. The leaders plan to use churches, social media and other means to rally the movement that has already prompted protesters to take to the streets in several major cities.

"Arresting Zimmerman is the beginning of the process. This is a first down, not a touchdown," the Rev. Jesse Jackson told The Associated Press this week from Houston...

(Excerpt) Read more at npr.org ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: alsharpton; banglist; blackcrime; bloomberg; florida; georgezimmerman; jessejackson; npr; trayvonmartin; youwillnotdisarmus; zimmerman
Never let a good crisis go to waste...
1 posted on 04/13/2012 1:40:46 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“Stand Your Ground” laws are bad news for these people—Makes them have to think twice about attacking “Whitey” with impunity.


2 posted on 04/13/2012 1:44:26 PM PDT by Arm_Bears (Journalists first; then lawyers.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Gee, I guess ‘Fast & Furious’ didn’t work so let’s try THIS! If the news media swarmed ‘Fast & Furious’ like they have the Zimmerman story we’d have a replacement President and probably not a black race-baiter (& Co.; Holder).


3 posted on 04/13/2012 1:47:27 PM PDT by FedsRStealingOurCountryFromUs
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.



The whole problem is the dang comma's...
Regardless, all the other bill of rights are about individual rights and so is this one.
4 posted on 04/13/2012 1:47:54 PM PDT by An American! (Proud To Be An American!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Right after using this case as another stick to “wack” down whitey again, the secondary issue is to water-down 2nd Amend rights.

All the usual suspects have marched or stuck their noses in front of the ever-so-obliging LSM...

5 posted on 04/13/2012 1:52:31 PM PDT by RedMonqey (A politician's integrity is usually only as strong as his poll numbers.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Stand your ground laws are not “gun laws”. They are self defense laws, whether you use a gun, knife, baseball bat, or your fists. Of course they can’t openly say they are against self defense, even though that’s precisely what they hate.


6 posted on 04/13/2012 1:55:00 PM PDT by Hugin ("Most time a man'll tell you his bad intentions if you listen and let yourself hear"--Open Range)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

As the saying always goes, COME AND GET THEM!


7 posted on 04/13/2012 1:56:45 PM PDT by RWB Patriot ("My ability is a value that must be purchased and I don't recognize anyone's need as a claim on me.")
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To: harpseal; TexasCowboy; nunya bidness; AAABEST; Travis McGee; Squantos; wku man; SLB; ...
Enemy action ping.

Click the Gadsden flag for pro-gun resources!

8 posted on 04/13/2012 1:57:03 PM PDT by Joe Brower (Sheep have three speeds: "graze", "stampede" and "cower".)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Another great year of record breaking gun sales in the US coming up.


9 posted on 04/13/2012 1:59:02 PM PDT by Bringbackthedraft ( WHO WE ELECT AS PRESIDENT IS NOT AS IMPORTANT AS WHO THEY APPOINT.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
"Arresting Zimmerman is the beginning of the process. This is a first down, not a touchdown," the Rev. Jesse Jackson told The Associated Press this week from Houston...

So in so many words Jackson is saying "Give him a fair trail and then "Hang him"



White sheets and a hood would fit quiet nicely to the "Just Us" Brothers...


10 posted on 04/13/2012 1:59:49 PM PDT by RedMonqey (A politician's integrity is usually only as strong as his poll numbers.)
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To: Bringbackthedraft

11 posted on 04/13/2012 2:01:06 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (Ich habe keinen Konig aber Gott)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

National Public Radio infringing the Second Amendment: our tax dollars at work.


12 posted on 04/13/2012 2:02:29 PM PDT by SteveH (First they ignore you. Then they laugh at you. Then they fight you. Then you win.)
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To: Hugin

That’s a great point. One I absolutely plan on repeating.


13 posted on 04/13/2012 2:05:42 PM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“Next, they hope to harness the activism to challenge Florida’s ‘stand your ground’ law and similar statutes in 24 other states.”

What do you mean, “next”?


14 posted on 04/13/2012 2:08:15 PM PDT by Tublecane
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To: All

Hoplophobia has struck the Revs.


15 posted on 04/13/2012 2:12:51 PM PDT by Molon Labbie (A Bounty on Zimmerman, Can Be A Bounty On ANYONE. No NBPP Mob Justice!)
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To: An American!

“The whole problem is the dang comma’s”

No, not really. “The right of the people to keep and bear arms” is an unbroken block, and cannot mean anything other than that the group referred everwhere else in the Constitution as “the people” have the right to keep and bear arms. I don’t care if the rest of the amendment talks about how icky guns are and how weird are people who own them. So long as it says the people have the right to keep and bear arms, it means the people have the right to keep and bear arms. No amount of legerdemain can overcome it.


16 posted on 04/13/2012 2:13:17 PM PDT by Tublecane
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Yup – beat me to it.

Why is it that those of us who support Liberty and freedom can’t use cases when a life was saved with a gun?

Why is it that the naturally Progression from the left is to diminish freedom every time?


17 posted on 04/13/2012 2:13:17 PM PDT by StaffiT (Obama is the name - Downgrading the country is his Game)
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To: Joe Brower

NPR/AP

Nuff said


18 posted on 04/13/2012 2:15:25 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

That’s a popular quote, but there’s not a shred of evidence Yamamoto ever said it. Ditto the Hitler quote about Germany’s gun law.


19 posted on 04/13/2012 2:20:16 PM PDT by Hugin ("Most time a man'll tell you his bad intentions if you listen and let yourself hear"--Open Range)
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To: Arm_Bears

Perhaps Zimmerman is an agent working for Holder.


20 posted on 04/13/2012 2:21:17 PM PDT by tsowellfan
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To: Hugin

A lot of what passes for Ben Franklin and Abe Lincoln quotes are questionable, at best. Even if he never said it though, it’s the truth. No society in the history of mankind was or is anywhere near as well armed, not even the Swiss.


21 posted on 04/13/2012 2:23:29 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (Ich habe keinen Konig aber Gott)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

So the “Civil Rights”(read blacks and their leftist masters) activists are frightened that whites are armed and can legally stand their ground. The idiots are advocating disarming whites while the number of black on white assaults are increasing.


22 posted on 04/13/2012 2:34:02 PM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Gee! Didn’t see that coming! [Super-syrupy sarcasm]


23 posted on 04/13/2012 2:39:56 PM PDT by Thorliveshere
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To: An American!

Diagrams brought back the horror of 8th grade English.


24 posted on 04/13/2012 2:45:05 PM PDT by Renegade
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

What I’ve read is that, while he probably didn’t actually say the quote, the sentiment it reflects was well in place...at least within the Imperial Navy. (The Army may have been another matter, given some of the puffed-up, overreaching “geniuses” they fielded, like Mutaguchi, Hatachi and the infamous Masanobu Tsuji.)


25 posted on 04/13/2012 2:46:01 PM PDT by M1903A1 ("We shed all that is good and virtuous for that which is shoddy and sleazy... and call it progress")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

If only they could use that same energy to teach their kids that beating the sh1t out of someone, even if they’ve upset you, isn’t the right and civil thing to do, and that it may get you killed when the person defends their life.

It never fails they never look at themselves and how they are not raising their kids right. Their kids kill other black kids and there’s no peep out of them as a community to get their kids in line. Nowadays when fights break out among blacks at high schools they call their parents, and the parents come down to the school - often armed with something - and start in in the fight, too.

Containment while they self-destruct as a race. That is what it boils down to. And you can thank liberals for it with their non-father-in-the-home and paid-to-be-a-baby-machine welfare policies.


26 posted on 04/13/2012 2:47:56 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: An American!

It’s only a problem in today’s sentence structure. Not in the Founding Fathers time. Simple education easily fixes that.


27 posted on 04/13/2012 2:49:37 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: An American!

>The whole problem is the dang comma’s...

The ratified 2nd Amendment has only one comma, right after ‘state.’


28 posted on 04/13/2012 3:02:58 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Hey, Jessie! FOAD!


29 posted on 04/13/2012 3:06:43 PM PDT by Nowhere Man (General James Mattoon Scott, where are you when we need you? We need a regime change.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

From my cold dead hands.....MF’rs!!!


30 posted on 04/13/2012 3:07:55 PM PDT by MachIV
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Funny, since Jesse Jackson has a large “secret” gun collection. Same with Steven Spielberg.


31 posted on 04/13/2012 3:14:33 PM PDT by Lockbar (March toward the sound of the guns.)
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To: Hugin
That’s a popular quote, but there’s not a shred of evidence Yamamoto ever said it. Ditto the Hitler quote about Germany’s gun law.

Well, they ought to have said it.

32 posted on 04/13/2012 3:46:53 PM PDT by Ken H (Austerity is the irresistible force. Entitlements are the immovable object.)
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To: Arm_Bears
“Stand Your Ground” laws are bad news for these people—Makes them have to think twice about attacking “Whitey” with impunity.

Any authorization to practice the 2nd Amendment is bad for them. They want us to disarm, but you can bet they would not. The bare-faced animosity towards guns and Whites makes it so we would be nuts to disarm even if the 'edict" comes down the pipes. Not only un-Constitutional, but it would llow them to target us at will. It's amazing how the race-baiters have set us back 100 years and are making it so the average White now needs to do exactly what they bitch about - profile.

33 posted on 04/13/2012 4:06:08 PM PDT by trebb ("If a man will not work, he should not eat" From 2 Thes 3)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

That was their intent all along.


34 posted on 04/13/2012 4:18:33 PM PDT by lastchance ("Nisi credideritis, non intelligetis" St. Augustine)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“Next, they hope to harness the activism to challenge Florida’s “stand your ground” law and similar statutes in 24 other states.”

Eat lead, b*tch. You come after my family, you’ll die where you stand.

Oops, too honkey harsh.

If choirboys who look like obuma, if he had sons, in some manner or form interfere with my legitimate course of life, you will be taught a corrective lesson.


35 posted on 04/13/2012 4:33:00 PM PDT by sergeantdave
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

You find it in the media, but the Dems are SCARED TO DEATH if gun control becomes an issue in 2012. Even Obama won’t touch that Third Rail.


36 posted on 04/13/2012 4:59:34 PM PDT by BobL
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

37 posted on 04/13/2012 5:17:54 PM PDT by EEGator
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; All

SYG laws are the only thing which somewhat level the field against armed thugs for honest citizens.

And Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton are for repealing them. Speaks volumes about their constituency.


38 posted on 04/13/2012 5:20:57 PM PDT by Red in Blue PA (Read SCOTUS Castle Rock vs Gonzales before dialing 911!)
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To: Hugin

” Of course they can’t openly say they are against self defense,”

Sure, they want you to use non-violent conflict resolution techniques instead! (SARCASM;)


39 posted on 04/13/2012 8:14:05 PM PDT by Frank_2001
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To: Renegade
Diagrams brought back the horror of 8th grade English.

I always thought diagraming sentences, like doing geometry proofs, was FUN!

But then I'm a wierd 4 eyed geek. One who used to wear "railroad tracks" on my shoulders. Several of my fellow Geometry geeks did that too. Two of them went to West. Point.

40 posted on 04/13/2012 10:41:19 PM PDT by El Gato ("The second amendment is the reset button of the US constitution"-Doug McKay)
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To: El Gato

Whats a railroad track? As far as horror I guess it depended on the teacher . I had one with a personality like nurse Cratchett.Tell you what though, It definitely taught you sentence structure and word classifications.


41 posted on 04/14/2012 3:36:23 AM PDT by Renegade
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To: MachIV

A friend told me that the future currency will not be gold or paper, but ammunition.


42 posted on 04/14/2012 8:47:40 AM PDT by oldtimer
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Some years ago, NYC would send some of their homeless to a shelter in Chester, NY about 60 mi away. This town had a rash of burglaries, muggings, assaults, etc. That is until one of the town council members addressed this problem in the local paper. To this day, I don’t know if it was extreme cluelessness or shrewdness, this councilman stated that he was “shocked and concerned” about the sudden increase in concealed carry apps being submitted to the Orange Cty Sherrif’s office. Almost overnight, the crime rate in Chester plummeted and NYC eventually shut down that shelter. I wonder why?


43 posted on 04/14/2012 11:08:48 AM PDT by Impala64ssa (You call me an islamophobe like it's a bad thing.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

This would be hilarious if it weren’t real. Let me guess. There will be a federal challenge based on the Civil Rights Act, or some other convoluted scheme to completely frustrate the will of the people of the state that enacted the law, and the fundamental right to defend oneself from a lethal attack.


44 posted on 04/14/2012 3:43:15 PM PDT by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

If the stand your ground law is repealed here, then it’s time for the shoot shovel and shut up policy to be implemented.


45 posted on 04/14/2012 7:30:49 PM PDT by Darren McCarty (Time for brokered convention)
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To: Renegade
Whats a railroad track?

Captain's rank insignia. Or if it was Navy, that of a Lieutenant.

46 posted on 04/14/2012 11:04:35 PM PDT by El Gato ("The second amendment is the reset button of the US constitution"-Doug McKay)
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To: oldtimer
A friend told me that the future currency will not be gold or paper, but ammunition.

That's why I have 4,000+ rounds of .22 LR, a thousand or so of 5.56, maybe 500 or so 7.62NATO. Could use some more shotgun shells. Both serious social purposes type and birdshot. Birds are good to eat you know. Birds like those rats with feathers we used to call Canada Geese. :) Of course I have reloading gear for shotgun shells, so I should buy some powder and appropriate size shot, plus wads.

47 posted on 04/14/2012 11:09:23 PM PDT by El Gato ("The second amendment is the reset button of the US constitution"-Doug McKay)
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To: El Gato

Plenty of .45 ACP as well. Very little 9mm, but then my 9 is pretty tiny and really only for “up close and personal” type work. Like barrel to nostril close. :)


48 posted on 04/14/2012 11:12:10 PM PDT by El Gato ("The second amendment is the reset button of the US constitution"-Doug McKay)
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To: Hugin
That’s a popular quote, but there’s not a shred of evidence Yamamoto ever said it.

That turns out not to quite be the case. Second hand report with known chain, originating with JMSDF officer on joint manuevers, around 1960, with US Navy. Attribution as to approximate year and the US Carrier the exchange took place on.

Armed citizens: the deterrent factor

If you're not going to believe Massad Ayoob, who are you going to believe?

Not a direct quote from Yamamoto, but an account of the feelings of the Japanese Navy of WW-II.

49 posted on 04/14/2012 11:40:37 PM PDT by El Gato ("The second amendment is the reset button of the US constitution"-Doug McKay)
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To: El Gato
If you're not going to believe Massad Ayoob, who are you going to believe?

I have a lot of respect for Ayoob, but he doesn't claim the quote is correct, or offer any evidence. He only argues that they would have been concerned. For a direct quote you should be able to say when and where someone said it. The only attribution I've heard was that he allegedly said it to a notrhestern newspaper when he was in the USA. There is no record of what paper, or date. Yamamoto was in the US fisrt as a junior officer studying at Harvard in the 20's and later as a military attache for the Japanese embassy. It's unlikely that he would have been interviewed by a US paper in either position, or made such a statement. In his letters to contemporaries he makes it clear that his prime concern was America's overwhelming industrial might which he had seen first hand, and which dwarfed the Japaniese. From a logical point of view, those millions of crack shot Americans could (and were) be drafted and sent anywhere, so it would scarcely matter whether they shot Japanese here or in the South Pacific.

50 posted on 04/15/2012 12:24:18 PM PDT by Hugin ("Most time a man'll tell you his bad intentions if you listen and let yourself hear"--Open Range)
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