Skip to comments.VOTE NOT-ROMNEY & TAKE IT TO THE CONVENTION
Posted on 04/14/2012 7:43:15 AM PDT by Mechanicos
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Hey, Ann, is that you?
Hey, Mitt, is that you?
In the United States 60% of likely voters are conservative or somewhat conservative. There is no way Romney, a progressive and fascist, will win in November.
Romney will not win in November because HE ISN’T A CONSERVATIVE!!
Per the Washington Post:
“Mitt Romney was firm and direct with the abortion rights advocates sitting in his office nine years ago, assuring the group that if elected Massachusetts governor, he would protect the states abortion laws.”
“Then, as the meeting drew to a close, the businessman offered an intriguing suggestion that he would rise to national prominence in the Republican Party as a victor in a liberal state and could use his influence to soften the GOPs hard-line opposition to abortion.”
“He would be a good voice in the party for their cause, and his moderation on the issue would be widely written about, he said, according to detailed notes taken by an officer of the group, NARAL Pro-Choice Massachusetts.”
You seem to have the mistaken belief that Romney will be good for jobs and the economy. In fact, Romney was a lousy businessman: his company was to capitalism what a junkyard is to automakers. In other words, Romney did not know how to create wealth, only chop it up and divide the spoils. He failed at financing the Olympics with private money, and had to accept government handouts.
To answer your question about entitlements: I do not now nor have I ever received entitlement money.
If you truly want to defeat BHO2 than support Gingrich. Support a conservative. Newt Gingrich is pro-life, pro-2nd Amendment and loves America and understands its citizens. As a historian, he thoroughly knows the U.S. Constitution and our nation’s history.
He allied himself with Ronald Reagan to build the Reagan Coalition, the Religious Right, and the Republican majority (together the Reagan Revolution) which directly led the downfall of the Soviet Union, the Contract with America, government reforms, less government, tax cuts, a balanced budget, and the great, long-standing Reagan economy.
Washington is broken, it doesn’t work the way it is supposed to and Newt said, if elected, he will work to change the way Washington does business. You better believe the elitists who suck money off of government contracts are terrified he will be elected.
Romney is getting support from those holders of government contracts because Romney will not change Washington. It will be a non-stop gravy train.
Dude, heavn’t you figured out his screen name yet?
It’s Tricking All Idiots Out Wandering Around.
The Romney Republican Party is just one more vehicle for socialism.
It's time for conservatives to face that fact and to move on to a principled, practical future.
Santorum was only the current not Romney option. Even if he sells out his people and delegates are still anti-Romney.
Romney needs 60 plus % of the remaining hard delegates. He averages only 44%. This is their Achilles heal. We are not yet defeated and can still fight. Romney only wins if we act defeated and stay home.
You guys are all nuts. Even the most stanch conservatives and tea party folks are now mobilizing and coalescing to stop Obama. I suppose you have as much vitriol against Rubio or Ryan or Lee as you do folks like me? You holding out for Newt will only bring defeat. If this site, as it appears to be, is all about “anyone but Romney”, then I suspect you are right, and I don’t belong here.
A house divided against itself can not stand!
We have 10 days before the next primary. That’s a lot of time to get the word out and raise money for Newt.
20 primary states remain with over 1,000 delegates. All in all, about 45% of the TOTAL delegates have yet to be voted on.
If Romney loses roughly 55% of those upcoming delegates, he won’t reach 1,144 automatically. Keep in mind Romney has only won over 50% of the popular vote in 3 out of 30 states so far where everyone was on the ballot.
Newt can also challenge the winner-take-all allocation of FL and AZ at the convention which violated rules so Romney can lose a few more that way. And the non-Romneys could engage in behind-the-scenes lobbying with unbound delegates to switch their vote.
The only way this works is if we STOP splitting the vote. Please don't waste your vote on a candidate who's dropped out.
Don’t let the door hit you on your ass on the way out.
This is about denying Romney the nomination. Newt almost certainly can't get enough delegates to win outright. The point is to vote for Newt so that Romney doesn't win first place, loses delegates, and a floor fight at the convention determines the nominee. What Newt is doing with his donor list is utterly meaningless to this goal and irrelevant to this thread.
DO NOT WAVE THE WHITE FLAG OF SURRENDER..NEWT IS STILL IN THIS..ARE YOU? NO GUTS, NO GLORY!
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You're a moron. Not once has a NATIONAL preference poll had any bearing on a STATE contest in this primary. Usually they are way off from each other. Since 30 states have voted, what good is a poll that counts voters from those states?
Greetings, Idiot Out Wandering Around,
Obviously you are from a state, or pretending to be from a state, where they think they have the right to decide who the Republican nominess should be, without consulting the other states, or even having a convention where the delegates actually decide who the nominee is going to be.
But, I must say, someone who would dare say “A house divided against itself can not stand!” while trying to deny half the party their voice in this, does have some nerve, as well as complete disrespect for conservatives!
Hey, Karl, is that you?
Virtually any other Republican would have a better chance of beating Obama than the Massachusetts Mormon, even if they had only a week to campaign.
Only one person could benefit from Mitt Romney being the nominee, and that is Barack Obama. Moderate Republicans can't win presidential elections. Like it or not, that is reality.
Romney IS the left. He is NOT, NOT, NOT one of us. It's deeply insulting for you to even suggest that.
Pro-abortion, pro-homosexual marriage, pro-gun control, pro-tax, pro-socialized medicine politicians are NOT conservatives. I will gladly FIGHT the enemy at the ballot box. I will NOT join them or invite them on my team.
I am going to do what is right for me. I don’t like or trust Newt. He is a flip flopper almost as much as Romney.
Santorum it will be. Plus, I will vote Lugar out.
You’re an idiot. You accuse us of wanting entitlements while you’re backing the father of Obamacare? If your goal is to get a progressive politician who raised taxes and fees by $700 million and instituted a bold new welfare entitlement, then vote Romney. The rest of us will continue to fight him and Obama every step of the way and back conservative candidates.
Don’t buy the Establishment propaganda. The primary is NOT over.
Oh, it’s FAR from over. Crazy, SHOCKING things CAN happen —like Newt can start pulling votes in and FROM Romney, and the whole thing could turn 180 degrees.
There is the media reality — and then there is the reality WE create as voters.
p.s. could care less of Newt’s in debt, and I doubt neither does Newt. The man can go on the lecture circuit and pay his own debts off very easily.
Remember what I said about the splintering among zealots.
Nominating John McCain insured the first four years of Obama.
Wrong. Sitting home got us four years of Obama, which is exactly what will happen again, apparently.
I can’t stand McCain or Romney either, and am appalled that the latter is our candidate.
But Obama is worse. he literally HATES America and is determined to destroy it. And is doing a damned good job of it.
For everyone who sits home and makes sure Obama is elected, you have NO right to bellyache and moan about anything that dictator does for the next four years, or the death of the United States, which will likely be the result.
You will have squandered the most important recourse the founders gave us, the power of the ballot.
Enjoy making your point. I just don’t think we will survive as a nation because of it.
But, you will get to brag to your great-grandchildren how you brilliantly sat out the election and threw your vote (and their freedom) down the toilet, and you can regale them with stories of what it was like when men were free.
You have no core principles, its clear. And you announced for the whole world.
Romney is just as leftist as he can get and still be in the GOP. A government promoting certain businesses (which are de facto state owned) is no different from a government that owns the businesses. Except one is called fascist and the other Iis called communist. Romney has been a statist all the way.
I suspect you’re the one looking for the handout.
Romney is little different from Obama. Member of a flaky non-Christian sect, big government all the way, personally weird and crazy looking...
I completely agree. I live in Florida and I voted for Newt.
People who live in states that haven’t voted yet should vote for Newt if he’s on the ballot and if he isn’t , then anybody but Romney, even Ron Paul .
Even if willard ends up winning the nom, short of a bc or a miracle he will, it sends the message that we will not just give in.
Im not voting for the lesser of two turds anyhow..but still what else have we got..?
You know willard is going to mostly ignore the conservatives if he becomes the next King.
Retread troll zot.
You are right. You don’t belong here.
A house divided against itself cannot stand.
This house cannot endure, permanently half conservative, half progressive.
I do not expect the organization to be dissolved I do not expect the house to fall but I do expect it will cease to be divided.
That’s funny but it might get you zotted, free speech is not permitted here anymore.
Two votes for Newt here from us in DE on 4/24.
Voting for Newt can make this a whole new horse race.
And it is constructive, rather than sitting around here, bashing each other’s brains in about who is more principled.
Action is what is needed.
Even in the face of long odds, it is far better to do the right thing than to do nothing.
Truth is in short supply here.
The last chance for a brokered convention was Santorum.
This is about denying Romney the nomination. Newt almost certainly can’t get enough delegates to win outright. The point is to vote for Newt so that Romney doesn’t win first place, loses delegates, and a floor fight at the convention determines the nominee. What Newt is doing with his donor list is utterly meaningless to this goal and irrelevant to this thread.
For Gingrich to pull out any shot of winning any more delegates, he needs cash. Since he’s already 4.5 million dollars in the hole, he needs to raise around 10 million dollars in the next 30 days to pay down his debt and buy any kind of media. He has no superpac funding and little if any money coming in, so he is renting his donor list, which is the last desperate act of ANY politician in a campaign because it PUTS OFF potential donors who don’t want unsolicited donor requests. Renting your donor list is primarily used to pay off existing campaign debt.
But sure, it has NOTHING to do with the campaign. You’re political acumen is top-notch, sport. Don’/t quit your day job.
Way to go, Jim!
I say I voted for him in my primary. I say it’s not over until after the convention. I say I can’t stand Mittens. I say I will vote in November for whoever is on the ballet with an R beside their name, UNLESS polls show there is no chance of that person winning. Then I might write in a protest vote.
This is a group for like-minded people. If 1,000 libertarians or 1,000 Obama fans showed up and started posting, would you insist that they're being denied their "free speech" if they're banned? This isn't a free-for-all, it's a private organization. If you're going to come here and talk down conservative candidates while you promote liberal ones, I wouldn't expect the locals to take kindly to that.
It’s irrelevant because we’re not here to PREDICT who wins the primary. Go watch some urban elite talking head pundit panel on TV for that. We’re here to PARTICIPATE in the primary. We’re not talking about what’s LIKELY, we’re talking about what CAN be done. The fact remains the primary is barely halfway over, and Mitt Moneybags has barely half the delegates he needs to clinch the nomination. The fact remains that if the Massachusetts Mormon loses most of the next 20 states, he DOESN’T GET the nomination. No one cares what’s likely. Did the patriots at Valley Forge sit around talking about what was the “likely” outcome? The fact is as long as it’s POSSIBLE to deny Romney the nomination, every conservative should be working to make that happen. And it most definitely is. If we get enough to people to vote against Romney, he will lose.
To this day I don't understand why we had such a lack luster crop of candidates when there are real stars in the party and conservative movement (Palin, Pence, Ryan, West, Rubio, etc.). Can someone explain why the real conservatives in the party chose to sit out and hand the nomination to Romney? I thought after 2008 we were done giving it to the next person in line. We had a fantastic opportunity to put up a solid conservative, a real contrast to Obama and in the end we serve up Romney. Why?!?
Hannity has made it very clear the primaries are not over and not claimed Romney had wrapped it up when I've seen him. I'm sure he's a closet Newt supporter based on how he's conducted himself.
I'm the type of person who thinks for myself and doesn't need to look to "elders" to endorse my opinion. I don't need ANYONE else to tell me Newt would be a far better president than Romney. And if you want to look at who "earned" it and whose "turn" it is, that should be Newt based on everything he's done for conservatives and Republicans.
People like Rubio and Ryan obviously want to try and extract favors from Romney by endorsing him. And they're betting he is the nominee. I'm not denying Rommey is the LIKELY nominee.
I don't care if Romney beats Obama or not so I'm not interested in his electoral strategy. Whether it's donkey crap or elephant crap being dumped on you, it's still crap.
That is an absurd and unsupportable comparison. Newt has a trophy case full of conservative achievements that Mitt Romney couldnt even dream about.
Newt took back the House as the public face of the Republican party in 1994 after 40 years out of power. That came with enough momentum to keep them in power for 12 years.
Newt fought behind the scenes throughout the 80s to keep the Republican party platform conservative, anti-tax and anti-communist.
Newt stood up to Bush Sr.s pledge to raise taxes, publically denouncing his plan and drawing the ire of the party elites. The desire to punish him for this courageous act of speaking conservative truth to power remains one of the top reasons the party has tried to sabotage his presidential campaign.
Newt forced Clinton to pass balanced budgets and welfare reform.
Newt's stewardship over the governments purse strings coincided with a national economic boom.
Newt came one vote away from passing a balanced budget amendment that would have prevented the entire fiscal crisis were in now.
Newt sent the partial-birth abortion bans to Clinton which were vetoed, but laid the groundwork for them to be passed under Bush.
Newt along with Reagan are the two great conservative leaders of the last 30 years. They didnt just talk on TV or the radio, they got concrete results and made things happen, facing up to all of the spiteful and hateful scrutiny that comes from the opposition when you take bold stands like that.
While they were doing that, Romney was denouncing Ronald Reagans record, refusing to sign onto Newts Contract with America, and losing elections badly. Newt is a man who stood for the same conservative principles for decades and has the record to back it up. Romney is a man who spoke as a liberal and governed as a liberal, and only now SAYS he's changed his mind on everything with nothing to back it up.
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I am not pumping Mitt. I am telling you that Newt is a phony. I would not trust him farther than I could spit.
Apparently, many voters feel as I do or Newt would be ahead, but...he isn’t.
All you have to do is go back to a year ago around here. That is the real Newt. I will not pretend because he talks saying what folks want to hear in order to get elected, that he would stick to that.
Anyhoo, I will vote for the non Romney in Indiana, that is the best you will get from me. I will not vote for Newt. Sorry.
My vote is my vote. I won’t tell you who to vote for. Don’t try to tell me who to vote for. I thought our vote was still private.
You’re either delusional or a complete fool. Does a man’s record as an elected official not mean anything to you?
You compared Newt to Mitt. That highly insulting, wrongheaded and unsupportable comparison is what I was responding to.
But at what point is supporting anybody but Romney (aka Newt) counter productive?
I don't care if Romney beats Obama or not. I can't decide if a gridlocked Obama is more or less dangerous than a Romney who will have most of the GOP rubber-stamping everything he wants to do, since what he did in Massachusetts was horrendously liberal. I won't be voting for either of them. I also don't believe he can win, when the hardcore base who works on campaigns doesn't like him and never will. There's no way they can muster enthusiasm to work for him so his ground game is going to be very weak. They'll probably be bussing in Mormons from Utah to the other 49 states to work for him and they'll turn off voters even more when they can't resist trying to recruit them to LDS.
Especially when Newt himself has basically admitted Romney will be the nominee. Those of us who are ABO are not pro Romney...At this point it's a matter of accepting reality. And for me the reality is ABO.
The reality I'm accepting is that 20 states with over 1,000 delegates, 45% of the total, including my state, have not voted yet. Do you want to disenfranchise those voters? Romney needs 1,144 delegates and only has 656.
A floor fight at the convention that picked a nominee other than Mitt would almost guarantee Obama's defeat. The media attention and the excitement level among the base would be unprecedented. If you want to defeat Obama that is the best way to do it.
Newt has absolutely not "admitted" Romney will be the nominee. He is still campaigning and you can see where he stands in this interview from the 9th with Hannity: