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Secret Service Agents Face Questioning on Misconduct (New details on HookerGate)
NY Times ^ | 4/14/12 | JACKIE CALMES and ERIC SCHMITT

Posted on 04/14/2012 2:29:12 PM PDT by jimbo123

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“There are people who willingly went to prostitutes and other people who ended up with prostitutes,” the official said. “Either way, it’s just unacceptable.”

Specifically, the official said, on Wednesday night an agent is believed to have taken a Colombian woman back to his hotel room and had then thrown her out in a dispute over money; investigators are trying to figure out whether the agent knew that she had intended to be paid.

The woman apparently began causing a disturbance in the hallway, eventually bringing other Secret Service agents — as well as a small number of law enforcement and military officials working with them on security and communications matters — out of their rooms and attracting the attention of hotel management and security.

It emerged that others on the team also had women in their rooms. Tempers flared, compounded by the language barrier. At some point Colombian police became involved, and American government officials decided to replace the team.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


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KEYWORDS: hookergate; obama; secretservice; secretservicescandal
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I wonder if Reggie Love was a member of Obama's advance team down at the hotel.
1 posted on 04/14/2012 2:29:20 PM PDT by jimbo123
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To: jimbo123

Agent Cheapskate was inept at so many levels. Probably blighted the careers of his entire team, whether or not they deserved it. Perhaps they did, if only in failing to set a watch on bumble britches.


2 posted on 04/14/2012 2:35:49 PM PDT by Psalm 144 ("I'm not willing to light my hair on fire to try and get support. I am who I am." - Willard M Romney)
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To: jimbo123

Where was moochelle?


3 posted on 04/14/2012 2:36:20 PM PDT by no-to-illegals (Please God, Protect and Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
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To: jimbo123

He could have at least called her a cab.


4 posted on 04/14/2012 2:37:04 PM PDT by GreatRoad (O < 0)
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To: jimbo123
The woman didn't come out of hillary’s room? Can the truth be told?
5 posted on 04/14/2012 2:38:48 PM PDT by no-to-illegals (Please God, Protect and Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
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To: jimbo123

The SS has probably relaxed the stringent qualifications to suite 0bama. I think he prefers black agents around him. Just my opinion.


6 posted on 04/14/2012 2:39:31 PM PDT by unkus (Silence Is Consent)
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To: no-to-illegals
Where was moochelle?

Eating lobster and drinking champagne in her room.
7 posted on 04/14/2012 2:39:45 PM PDT by jimbo123
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To: jimbo123

Two supervisors among the 12 and 5 military. Monkish existence my arse.


8 posted on 04/14/2012 2:40:59 PM PDT by biggredd1
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To: jimbo123

Is SS now hiring from TSA?


9 posted on 04/14/2012 2:41:48 PM PDT by Paine in the Neck (Romney's judicial appointments were more radical than Obama's)
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To: unkus
I think he prefers black agents around him.

I hadn't thought of that angle, but this is the first Secret Service scandal I remember and I have to wonder if morale and esprit de corps [corpse?] have deteriorated during the current administration. Sure looks like it.

10 posted on 04/14/2012 2:42:48 PM PDT by BfloGuy (The final outcome of the credit expansion is general impoverishment.)
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To: Psalm 144

Democrats diversify their War on Women.


11 posted on 04/14/2012 2:43:06 PM PDT by rabidralph
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To: jimbo123

And how do the secret service agents know that these women are not agents of other countries and/or groups that want to cause the US harm?

Seems exceedingly stupid to do something like this.

That is, if true...


12 posted on 04/14/2012 2:44:00 PM PDT by DB
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To: Paine in the Neck

No...not the TSA but from the GSA.


13 posted on 04/14/2012 2:44:26 PM PDT by Autonomous User ( As God is my witness, I thought turkeys could fly.)
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To: jimbo123

If Obama had a son... The Secret Service would “stiff” his Hooker.


14 posted on 04/14/2012 2:46:11 PM PDT by Mad Dawgg (If you're going to deny my 1st Amendment rights then I must proceed to the 2nd one...)
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To: jimbo123

These 12 Jokesters can always get a job with Wacknhut Security.


15 posted on 04/14/2012 2:46:53 PM PDT by tennmountainman
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To: jimbo123

JACKIE CALMES and ERIC SCHMITT will write what they’re told to write.


16 posted on 04/14/2012 2:47:41 PM PDT by Crawdad
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To: jimbo123
One line in the article is rather confusing, at best..

Under what possible circumstances could military members of the advance team, obviously selected for their qualifications, have a "curfew"?

17 posted on 04/14/2012 2:47:54 PM PDT by ken5050 (The ONLY reason to support Mitt: The Mormon Tabernacle Choir will appear at the WH each Christmas)
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To: jimbo123

From the article:

“Mr. Obama’s security detail has been involved in other episodes in recent months.

A federal agent with the State Department’s Bureau of Diplomatic Security was charged with second-degree murder last November after shooting a man in Honolulu, according to news reports at the time. The agent was off duty but was on the island to provide advance security arrangements for Mr. Obama’s visit to the Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation summit meeting.”

Hmm. A second-degree murder in Honolulu in November? In preparation for Obama’s visit... Hmm. I wonder who the victim was.


18 posted on 04/14/2012 2:48:04 PM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: jimbo123

Jackie Calmes and Eric Schmitt will write what they’re told to write.


19 posted on 04/14/2012 2:48:15 PM PDT by Crawdad
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To: GreatRoad
Let's hope he didn't call her a "slut," or he would be part of the Republicans' war on women.

How long before this is all blamed on George W. Bush?

20 posted on 04/14/2012 2:48:33 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: rabidralph

That is not war. That is a dispute in a government procurement contract.


21 posted on 04/14/2012 2:49:05 PM PDT by Psalm 144 ("I'm not willing to light my hair on fire to try and get support. I am who I am." - Willard M Romney)
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To: butterdezillion
Wow. A federal agent is accused of second-degree murder, and there has been no media publicity?

The dead man must not have been carrying a bag of Skittles.

22 posted on 04/14/2012 2:50:53 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: BfloGuy

I hadn’t thought of that angle, but this is the first Secret Service scandal I remember and I have to wonder if morale and esprit de corps [corpse?] have deteriorated during the current administration. Sure looks like it.


I think you’re right. I would have absolutely no incentive or desire to protect an enemy. In fact, I would find it reprehensable.
Thus, the selected agents.


23 posted on 04/14/2012 2:51:24 PM PDT by unkus (Silence Is Consent)
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To: jimbo123

But how about the big bag of coke? I’m sure the Food Stamp President likes to have a bowl of coke around so the group can lay lines and snort at will. Don’t the MSM whores travel with the FSP entourage .... why hire locals?


24 posted on 04/14/2012 2:52:53 PM PDT by RetiredTexasVet (There's a pill for just about everything ... except stupid!)
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To: RetiredTexasVet

Don’t the MSM whores travel with the FSP entourage .... why hire locals?


Good point. Both sexes, too. He can choose which gender he wants at any given time.


25 posted on 04/14/2012 2:55:37 PM PDT by unkus (Silence Is Consent)
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To: jimbo123

Why, were their male prostitutes involved?


26 posted on 04/14/2012 2:55:54 PM PDT by pallis
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To: jimbo123

“Specifically, the official said, on Wednesday night an agent is believed to have taken a Colombian woman back to his hotel room and had then thrown her out in a dispute over money; investigators are trying to figure out whether the agent knew that she had intended to be paid.”

Always agree mutually on payment up front.

Are there many Secret Service Agents who don’t know about the up front thing. Idiot....


27 posted on 04/14/2012 2:56:48 PM PDT by hummingbird (Just askin' or just sayin' depending on the subject at hand.)
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To: jimbo123
Eating lobster and drinking champagne in her room.

How does anyone know whether or not the woman was in moochelle's room? A clue would be champagne and lobster on her breath ....

28 posted on 04/14/2012 2:57:03 PM PDT by no-to-illegals (Please God, Protect and Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
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To: butterdezillion

When I saw the lede, I wondered ‘Why does the Secret Service need to be discredited now? Is it because they think Obama will lose and the Secret Service might talk because he’s no longer prez or do they ‘know something?’’

Or maybe they are just jerks. I dunno...


29 posted on 04/14/2012 2:57:26 PM PDT by ransomnote
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To: Psalm 144

How, exactly, do people “end up” with prostitutes?

Did the hotel staff leave them outside the rooms like newspapers?


30 posted on 04/14/2012 2:59:29 PM PDT by livius
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To: Verginius Rufus

This is the first I’ve heard of it. He’s still employed with the State Department and the trial is delayed, according to http://wemeantwell.com/blog/2012/03/12/more-on-state-department-diplomatic-security-murder-in-hawaii/

I want to read the other posts to see if there’s anything interesting there.


31 posted on 04/14/2012 3:01:25 PM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: livius
Was slick billy clintoon in the neighborhood? This would explain everything.
32 posted on 04/14/2012 3:02:51 PM PDT by no-to-illegals (Please God, Protect and Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
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To: jimbo123

“....and other people who ended up with prostitutes....” LOL

Look what followed me home honey, can I keep her?


33 posted on 04/14/2012 3:03:36 PM PDT by Gator113 (***YOU GAVE it to Obama. I would have voted for NEWT.~Just livin' life, my way~)
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opps ... just saw the male prostitute angle ... so where were anthony weineer and huma door?
34 posted on 04/14/2012 3:04:14 PM PDT by no-to-illegals (Please God, Protect and Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
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To: Psalm 144

Man..... with Whitney chilling at room temp...is there a market for washed up SS agents as Body Gaurds?


35 posted on 04/14/2012 3:04:24 PM PDT by Autonomous User ( As God is my witness, I thought turkeys could fly.)
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To: livius

“Did the hotel staff leave them outside the rooms like newspapers?”

Some do send them up, but it costs extra, as these guys are finding out. Amazing. You are on duty in a foreign country, and do this? That is what R&R is for, if you must. They could as easily gotten their throats cut as . . whatever they did get.


36 posted on 04/14/2012 3:04:24 PM PDT by Psalm 144 ("I'm not willing to light my hair on fire to try and get support. I am who I am." - Willard M Romney)
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To: no-to-illegals

I don’t think Bill was there...but that’s how it is. Prostitutes happen.


37 posted on 04/14/2012 3:05:07 PM PDT by livius
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To: butterdezillion
the first I've heard of it

Had to be a drug deal gone bad (imho), and zer0, hilly, billy (or possibly moochelle) pulled the trigger. Froze face (pelosi) wasn't in the neighborhood was she?

38 posted on 04/14/2012 3:09:47 PM PDT by no-to-illegals (Please God, Protect and Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
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Bet barney was having a frank.


39 posted on 04/14/2012 3:10:46 PM PDT by no-to-illegals (Please God, Protect and Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
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You're a hooker? Jesus, I forgot! I just thought I was doing GREAT with you!
40 posted on 04/14/2012 3:10:46 PM PDT by jimbo123
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To: Psalm 144

It’s possible the guy thought he’d just met a “friendly local” and when he got her back to the room only then discovered that there would be a cost involved. That may very well be when he threw her out and the trouble started. A hooker who has just wasted time with a man who won’t be paying her might just lie about it to the local authorities. There is way too much we don’t know yet, and in the contact I had with the SS in years past I find it very hard to believe that the entire crew would have been that stupid.


41 posted on 04/14/2012 3:16:43 PM PDT by cbvanb
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To: jimbo123

LOL....


42 posted on 04/14/2012 3:22:09 PM PDT by Gator113 (***YOU GAVE it to Obama. I would have voted for NEWT.~Just livin' life, my way~)
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“There is way too much we don’t know yet, and in the contact I had with the SS in years past I find it very hard to believe that the entire crew would have been that stupid.”

Agree that the actual facts are not yet known, and about the probity of the SS, at least in the past. Years past is a long time though. Growing up as a military dependent, I saw a -profound- difference in the US military before and after the Vietnam war.

Now they are saying it involved nearly the whole team. THAT is astonishing. SS screw up, Administration set up, hostile third party test or operation? As you say, not enough facts.

The Soviets used to have a section of the KGB devoted to operations of compromise and blackmail. Some of the operations offered the weak what they craved, sometimes it was an out and out frame. Hopefully the truth will out. These days? Well, hopefully it will.


43 posted on 04/14/2012 3:26:45 PM PDT by Psalm 144 ("I'm not willing to light my hair on fire to try and get support. I am who I am." - Willard M Romney)
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To: Slings and Arrows

“There are people who willingly went to prostitutes and other people who ended up with prostitutes,” the official said. “Either way, it’s just unacceptable.”


Look, I ordered “Fish and Chips.” Somehow, I ended up with prostitutes. I’d like to see the manager, this is just unacceptable!


44 posted on 04/14/2012 3:27:59 PM PDT by Rides_A_Red_Horse
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To: no-to-illegals

The agent was 27-year-old Christopher Dweedy, who had been working for the State Department for 2 1/2 years as of November 5, 2011 when the shooting occurred. So he started within the first 6 months after Obama’s inauguration. He was in Hawaii preparing for Obama to be there for the Asia Pacific Economic Cooperation summit.

What I can glean from the reports is that the off-duty Dweedy and his victim, 23-year-old Kollin Elderts, got into an argument at a club earlier in the night and Dweedy followed Elderts to a McDonalds where around 2:45am outside the building (and captured on surveillance video) he kicked the unarmed Elderts in the chest. Elderts, who was legally drunk, hit him back and the two started wrestling. In the middle of the fight Dweedy pulled out his gun and shot Elderts in the chest. He claims he acted appropriately to defend himself and the people around him. As far as I know the alcohol test for Dweedy has not been released. In his booking photo he looks quite a bit different than his Linked-In photo. Don’t know if he’s hung over, stoned, or what.

After looking at the video, the police in Waikiki obviously did not believe it was appropriate self-defense because they charged him with 2nd-degree murder. In Hawaii first-degree murder is only allowable in particular circumstances, such as shooting a judge... So second-degree murder in Hawaii is the equivalent of first-degree murder in the rest of the country.

Some superficial similarities to the Trayvon case (shooting an unarmed victim and claiming self-defense), although there is video of what happened and nobody is denying the claims of the Elderts family’s lawyer, that Dweedy followed Elderts from the club to McDonalds AND started the fight at McDonalds. Dweedy is white and married. Elderts is Hawaiian; his cousin, Samson Satele, plays professional football for the Oakland Raiders.

The curious part is the response of the State Department.

The head of the State Dept’s Bureau of Diplomatic Security immediately sent out a memo to everyone in the department, saying,

“I remind everyone that there is an ongoing investigation of this matter by the Honolulu Police Department. Discussion about what happened in Honolulu, Agent Deedy’s state of mind, and/or whether his actions were justified should be limited to the agents investigating the matter.

Also, please keep in mind that communications over the internet that are publicly available (such as blogs, tweets, and bulletin boards) and are on matters of official concern (which this case is) must be reviewed by the Department. Additionally, all written communications, on either government or private accounts, may be subject to discovery in legal proceedings relating to this incident.”

(See http://wemeantwell.com/blog/2011/11/08/diplomatic-security-warns-on-shooting-may-be-subject-to-discovery/ )

IOW, they didn’t want anybody talking about it.

Dweedy put up $250,000 bail and in late December the judge granted his request to be able to go back to Arlington, VA so he could continue to work at the State Department at a desk job, without his gun and staying within 400 miles of his Artlington, VA home. The rationale was that the State Department would make sure he didn’t disappear to avoid his murder trial. Dweedy’s lawyer has said that Dweedy has the “full support of the State Department”, which (IIRC) is paying for his defense. His trial has been delayed until September of 2012.


45 posted on 04/14/2012 4:13:48 PM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: jimbo123

A language barrier? Now, they’re saying the security detail sent to Colombia couldn’t speak Spanish? HOGWASH!

Things are getting curiouser and curiouser.


46 posted on 04/14/2012 4:13:55 PM PDT by Jemian
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To: butterdezillion

Oops. Staying within 100 miles of his home, not 400 miles.


47 posted on 04/14/2012 4:19:36 PM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: ken5050

How could members of an advance team not speak the language? None of this makes sense.


48 posted on 04/14/2012 4:22:46 PM PDT by ladyjane
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To: butterdezillion

And it’s Deedy, not Dweedy. lol.

More info: http://stayingsafeabroad.blogspot.com/2011/11/murder-of-kollin-k-elderts-in-honolulu.html


49 posted on 04/14/2012 4:27:46 PM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: jimbo123

Military folks having sex(?) What’s next, dogs chasing cats?


50 posted on 04/14/2012 4:27:46 PM PDT by The Duke
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