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Vanity | April 14, 2012 | Engraved-on-His-hands

Posted on 04/14/2012 7:08:22 PM PDT by Engraved-on-His-hands

Sorry for the vanity, but, due to the unpleasant situation in which Mitt Romney is the favorite for the Republican Party nomination for President, I thought that exploring other options might be an appropriate topic. While Newt Gingrich is still in the running for the Republican nod, his chances do not appear to be good. Although not giving up entirely on him at this point, I thought that exploring third party options might be helpful as a fallback plan. (Caveat: I am not an expert on the parties discussed.)

There are at least 53 political parties in the United States. Apart from the Democrat and Republican parties, there are three others with occasional minor national significance: the Constitution Party, the Libertarian Party, and the Green Party. Of the remaining 48 parties, there are five that are national parties that have a conservative foundation. For the purpose of this post, I will not look at the libertarian parties, nor will I consider those that are moderate or more left-wing in their views.

Apart from the Constitution Party, the five national conservative parties are the following:

America First Party

America's Party

American Party

Christian Liberty Party

Independent American Party

Of these five, the America First Party, the Christian Liberty Party, and the American Party appear to be either inactive or so miniscule in activity and efforts that they might be considered inactive for all practical purposes. The Independent American Party and America’s Party appear to be the most active. However, I could not find any source indicating that the Independent American Party intends to have a nominee for President in 2012.

This leaves the Constitution Party and America’s Party as the conservative third party options.

The Constitution Party holds its nominating convention this coming Wednesday through Saturday in Nashville. The favorite for the nomination at this point appears to be Virgil Goode, former congressman from Virginia, although there is a good bit of controversy and dissension regarding his nomination.

America’s Party has chosen Tom Hoefling as its nominee. Tom posts on FreeRepublic as Eternal Vigilance. (Note: I have been a long-time fan of Tom’s posts.)

We should have a better grasp of the Constitution Party after their convention in a few days. If they nominate a suitable conservative who can unite their party, their stock should rise. If they fail, whether this provides an opening for an improved status for America’s Party this year remains to be seen.

I am not suggesting that either the Constitution Party or America’s Party will nominate the next President of the United States. However, as an ardent social conservative, I believe that neither the Republicans or Democrats have left social conservatives with a real option this year (assuming that Romney is the Republican nominee instead of Newt). Consider voting for a third party a protest vote if you will. Criticize it if you will. Each of us must do what we think is right and best. I'm not trying to create controversy with this post. I'm just trying to present information to those who might be interested.

Here are the websites for the two primary third party options discussed:

www.constitutionparty.com

www.selfgovernment.us

Thanks.


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To: no dems

There are a couple of small parties with that label. Just didn’t find what I was looking for there.


101 posted on 04/14/2012 8:59:57 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (You can be a Romney Republican or you can be a conservative. You can't be both. Pick one.)
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To: gusty

IF?! You didn’t happen to see who the Pennsylvania GOP governor and party officially endorsed in the Senate primary here, did you? Steve Welch, a millionaire who was a registered Democrat, donated to Joe Sestak and voted for Obama? Do you just “assume” the GOP is conservative without looking into it? Rush Limbaugh himself said on Greta a couple months ago that he eventually realized the GOP is not a conservative party.


102 posted on 04/14/2012 9:02:22 PM PDT by JediJones (From the makers of Romney, Bloomberg/Schwarzenegger 2016. Because the GOP can never go too far left.)
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To: who_would_fardels_bear
>>>> "I plan to vote for the Green Party. My reasons are:...(bla...bla...bla)...." <<<<

Hmmm.......

Your 'about page' is nothing but conservative quotes....

Here you say you will vote for the Green Party candidate this time...

Perhaps America's favorite nut job will run again as Green Party candidate like she did in 2008....

I normally don't slam another FReeper, B-U-T, Are you as crazy as that lunatic Cynthia? Or, did you forget to refill your meds when you ran out? Or, am I completely stupid and didn't understand your reasoning?

103 posted on 04/14/2012 9:03:00 PM PDT by jmax (We only have to blame ourselves.)
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To: gusty

Because if the GOP is also left wing, than conservatives like us here on FR are truly a small minority then.

We are. How much of the GOP actually wants to end abortion? cut the size of government? keep marriage just for one man and one woman? eliminate pay to play and other forms of bribery? actually live under the US constitution as written?
By what measure is the GOP even centrist? The fact that it is to the right of where the Democrats are today?


104 posted on 04/14/2012 9:03:22 PM PDT by freedomfiter2 (Brutal acts of commission and yawning acts of omission both strengthen the hand of the devil.)
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To: gusty

I’m not talking about opting out. I’m talking about nominating Newt Gingrich.

If we are stuck with a man who uses government power to coerce people to perform abortions against their will it will be because primary voters opted out of voting for Gingrich, giving the primary race to Romney. Tyrant Light.

Not me.


105 posted on 04/14/2012 9:03:29 PM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: gusty

Because if the GOP is also left wing, than conservatives like us here on FR are truly a small minority then.

We are. How much of the GOP actually wants to end abortion? cut the size of government? keep marriage just for one man and one woman? eliminate pay to play and other forms of bribery? actually live under the US constitution as written?
By what measure is the GOP even centrist? The fact that it is to the right of where the Democrats are today?


106 posted on 04/14/2012 9:03:58 PM PDT by freedomfiter2 (Brutal acts of commission and yawning acts of omission both strengthen the hand of the devil.)
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To: JediJones

oh my goodness! You are such an incredible strategerist. You should go work for newt. Seriously. I’m sure you can get him elected by thursday.

Here’s a small hint for ya...NEWT IS BROKE CUZ NO ONE LIKES HIM!


107 posted on 04/14/2012 9:05:23 PM PDT by mamelukesabre (I take Olive Oyl on me spinach. She said she didn’t go in for that kinky stuff but she does now)
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To: butterdezillion

” - - -NOW is the time to fight - - -”

The major fight that I see is whether or not to reject the GOP Elites endorsements of who THEY want to run against Obama.

So “the fight” is between the ears of the voters. Shall we trust the GOP Elites agin, or do we know better as to who can best defeat Obama?

Most voters will agree with what they see, round one goes to the most TV ads candidate.

Round three is what can be won on the floor of the Tampa Convention.

BTW, Round two is to do what butterdezillion said. (Search and find, ‘cause it will galvanize your mind).


108 posted on 04/14/2012 9:05:39 PM PDT by Graewoulf ((Dictator Baby-Doc Barack's obama"care" violates Sherman Anti-Trust Law, AND U.S. Constitution.))
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To: RightLady

Do you have any gravel? Sand will work. By that I mean, it’s pretty much axiomatic political science that 3rd parties don’t decide elections. They certainly sway results, and affect issues, and the margin of victory, but they don’t decide the winner.

If you have any bags of aggregate handy I’d like to have it because I’ll chew a 50 lb. bag of sand before I vote for abortionist, gun grabber, tax-master & statist Milton Romney.

The GOP and `Mitt’ can hold their breath until they turn blue, but conservatives ain’t voting for them. Here’s your TSS. Now, all of you can go peddle your papers.


109 posted on 04/14/2012 9:05:39 PM PDT by tumblindice (Our new, happy lives.)
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To: doc1019
This is the fun part of my day ... I absolutely refuse to vote for Romney, there. Now for the fun. And no I'm not voting for Obamass, just won't vote for Romney. If my one vote (or lack thereof) makes a difference, so be it. I will not vote against my principles.

YES!!!I'm finally getting through to them...s/barack

110 posted on 04/14/2012 9:08:00 PM PDT by terycarl (lurking, but well informed)
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To: Engraved-on-His-hands

Thanks for posting this. Assuming Romney is the Republican nominee, I will cast my vote for whichever of these candidates appears the stronger in November.


111 posted on 04/14/2012 9:08:21 PM PDT by Antoninus (Sorry, gone rogue.)
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To: JediJones

Newt is not going to win the nomination, its over. Even Newt would agree. He’s staying in because this is it for him. Their is no political future for him. He’s in his late 60’s and will be in his 70’s before the next go around. Santorum dropped out because he is a younger man, he has a future. Newt is selling books and trying to raise his speakers fee. And good for Newt. Calista seems to be high maintenance. He has nothing to lose by staying in. If people need him to blow of steam for the remaining primaries, he serves a purpose for the party. I could listen to him speak for hours, but his baggage was too heavy. That is reality. I wish it was different, but it isn’t.


112 posted on 04/14/2012 9:12:12 PM PDT by gusty
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To: jveritas
Wake up folks... you are advocating insanity by voting third party. Insanity... Either Obama or Romney would be elected President this coming November.

Perhaps. But they'll have to do so without my vote. I don't vote for liberals and party affiliation means nothing to me.
113 posted on 04/14/2012 9:12:32 PM PDT by Antoninus (Sorry, gone rogue.)
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To: gusty

Rush Limbaugh Slams GOP Establishment: ‘We Nominate Milquetoast Moderates And We Lose’

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/rush-limbaugh-slams-gop-establishment-in-fox-interview-%E2%80%98we-nominate-milquetoast-moderates-and-we-lose%E2%80%99/

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/2820754/posts?page=1


114 posted on 04/14/2012 9:16:41 PM PDT by JediJones (From the makers of Romney, Bloomberg/Schwarzenegger 2016. Because the GOP can never go too far left.)
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To: greene66
Yeah, a lifelong Republican here, who, thanks to all the above, for the first time in his life, is more than ready to bolt at the drop of a hat.

I have voted for every Republican presidential candidate since 1992. Not this year. I'm done putting my time, energy, and resources to work for the "etch-e-sketch" party.
115 posted on 04/14/2012 9:17:04 PM PDT by Antoninus (Sorry, gone rogue.)
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To: Graewoulf
So “the fight” is between the ears of the voters. Shall we trust the GOP Elites agin, or do we know better as to who can best defeat Obama?

The point is not to "defeat Obama," it's to defeat all people pushing socialism/marxism/liberalism/statism. Which means we win NOTHING if we defeat Obama with an Obama-lite. It's debatable whether Romney is even just a lite version of Obama. Romney had more sweeping success passing liberal legislation in his 4 years as governor than Obama did as president so far.

116 posted on 04/14/2012 9:21:40 PM PDT by JediJones (From the makers of Romney, Bloomberg/Schwarzenegger 2016. Because the GOP can never go too far left.)
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To: terycarl

To reiterate: I will not vote against my principles. (s/barack not withstanding.


117 posted on 04/14/2012 9:22:25 PM PDT by doc1019 (Romney will never get my vote!)
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To: butterdezillion

BUMP


118 posted on 04/14/2012 9:23:41 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets
Realistically, your choice is to cast a protest vote and re-elect Obama or grit your teeth and vote for Romney. Ross Perot brought us eight years of Clinton

This reminds me of an vinyl record that gets stuck repeating the same words over and over. No Perot didn't bring us 8 years of Clinton. Poppy gave us eight years of Clinton because Clinton ran to the right of the Northeastern Rockefeller Liberal. So did Bob Dole. Remember that one? Dole surrounded himself with the GOP liberal of liberals and lost just as Romney will loose.

Poppy abandoned the Reagan doctrines, legacy, and policies, which cost him a second term. Please don't use Perot as an excuse for Poppy's own failures.

Realistically if Romney get the GOP nod I'll do as I have done for the last several POTUS elections and vote Independent.

BTW care to explain how Clinton up against a six year GOP two house GOP majority still managed to get most of his agenda accomplished? Answer is he had help like certain liberal GOP congress critters and senators. GW Bush following Clinton with his own party as six year two house majority could only increase size of federal government, expand presidential powers, and create police state programs now being used against our very liberty and freedom.

119 posted on 04/14/2012 9:25:14 PM PDT by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: gusty

We’ve been over this. 20 states with 1,000 delegates, 45% of the total, have yet to vote. Why don’t you let those voters speak their mind before you decide the election is “over?” Yes, Newt is unlikely to win outright, but Mitt only needs to lose 55% of those delegates to not win the nomination outright either and throw it to a floor fight. If that happened I’d predict a ticket with Newt and either Palin or Santorum on it in one order or another to form and beat Mitt.


120 posted on 04/14/2012 9:26:03 PM PDT by JediJones (From the makers of Romney, Bloomberg/Schwarzenegger 2016. Because the GOP can never go too far left.)
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To: freedomfiter2
Actually a large majority of the GOP wants to end abortion and is for traditional marriage. Even so called RINOs like Gov. Christie are with you on those. Now cut the size of government is a little more complicated. I think the vast majority of Republican politicians would love to cut the government to the bone, however the problem on this one is not them, it is us. We, us, pretend to want government cut. We pick out programs to eliminate that are a pimple on a rats ass. But when Medicare and Social Security enter the equation we all scream bloody murder. Don't cut my entitlements you will hear from Tea Party activists. The day the politicians know cutting entitlements will be popular with us, they will do it in a flash.
121 posted on 04/14/2012 9:30:12 PM PDT by gusty
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To: JediJones

What are the numbers if Rick Santorum releases his delegates to Newt?


122 posted on 04/14/2012 9:34:36 PM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: Engraved-on-His-hands

There is no 3rd Party options!


123 posted on 04/14/2012 9:36:27 PM PDT by wjcsux ("In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act." - George Orwell)
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To: JediJones

They are winner take all primaries in states located on the West Coast and the Northeast. Big states too. Do you really think that Newt is going to win in California and New York. If you really believe he will, I suggest you stay out of any sportsbook in Las Vegas. I’m not preventing anyone doing anything they want. It sounds costly and time consuming to stand in the doorways of polling places all over the country. I’m just trying to reflect reality as it really is. Like knowing my NY Mets will not be playing meaningful games in September.


124 posted on 04/14/2012 9:38:30 PM PDT by gusty
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To: Blood of Tyrants; All
As much as I dislike Obama, voting third party is a vote for Obama. Your choice. Third party and Obama or Romney.
BINGO! You nailed it! Next to Ron Paul, Mittens was my last choice.
125 posted on 04/14/2012 9:39:19 PM PDT by wjcsux ("In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act." - George Orwell)
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To: gusty

You’re not reflecting reality by being completely wrong about your facts. Only TWO statewide winner-take-all primaries remain, Delaware and Utah.


126 posted on 04/14/2012 9:40:35 PM PDT by JediJones (From the makers of Romney, Bloomberg/Schwarzenegger 2016. Because the GOP can never go too far left.)
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To: Antoninus

“I have voted for every Republican presidential candidate since 1992. Not this year. I’m done putting my time, energy, and resources to work for the “etch-e-sketch” party.”

Same, since 1980. Also done.


127 posted on 04/14/2012 9:41:30 PM PDT by Psalm 144 ("I'm not willing to light my hair on fire to try and get support. I am who I am." - Willard M Romney)
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To: butterdezillion

Problem with this is he will not do it. Heard him at the beginning of the week say he was going to support Romney. Said they did not have a chance yet to coordinate schedules. Doesn’t sound like a man who his going to release his delegates to Newt. Santorum is not a stupid man, give him some credit. He has a future that he doesn’t want to throw it away. He fought the good fight and knew when to fold them.


128 posted on 04/14/2012 9:45:27 PM PDT by gusty
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To: jmax
As I've said on other posts, and I tried to make abundantly clear on my post in this thread, is that my action is purely strategic.

There is absolutely no way that Romney wins California. So a vote for Romney is a total waste of effort. I am not advocating that conservatives in Red or battleground states vote Green Party.

I am not saying that I am gladly voting for the Green Party, or that I am voting for them because I agree with anything they say. I'm certainly not going to vote for them because I have a love for Roseanne Barr.

We will all soon be harangued to vote for Romney, even though just a couple of months ago anyway suggesting a vote for Romney was either subjected to withering abuse or kicked off the site. The arguments for voting Romney will all be purely utilitarian. There will be no people (except the seriously delusional) advocating a principled reason for voting Romney. Since we're all limited this election cycle to voting pragmatically, then I choose to vote as pragmatically as possible.

If you live in a blue state, then you should vote Green Party. It's the least stupid, least crazy thing to do.

129 posted on 04/14/2012 9:46:28 PM PDT by who_would_fardels_bear
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To: JediJones

I got New York wrong, but its a pretty good bet Newt will not get any there. However you are wrong also, add California and New Jersey to the winner take all states. Look it up. That’s a hefty number of delegates.


130 posted on 04/14/2012 9:53:15 PM PDT by gusty
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To: gusty

I’m using this list. I was talking about statewide winner-take-all. I know California is winner-take-all by district and from this list it appears New Jersey is the same.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/republican_delegate_count.html


131 posted on 04/14/2012 9:57:46 PM PDT by JediJones (From the makers of Romney, Bloomberg/Schwarzenegger 2016. Because the GOP can never go too far left.)
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To: who_would_fardels_bear

At least wait to see how things are breaking. If its a lost cause have some fun. But if there is some hope, consider helping eject Obama from the White House.


132 posted on 04/14/2012 9:57:53 PM PDT by gusty
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To: gusty

IOW, his own career means more to him than the country.

I just lost all respect for the man. He is worse than a traitor.


133 posted on 04/14/2012 10:01:04 PM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: gusty
Santorum is not a stupid man, give him some credit. He has a future that he doesn’t want to throw it away.

He said he'd support Romney if he's the nominee against Obama, not in the primaries.

So you apparently define "stupid" as not compromising your principles for political gain and not doing actions which contradict every statement about Romney you made in the primary? Note that it would be a contradiction if you're right that Santorum would endorse Romney in the primary. He has always said he'd back him over Obama.

134 posted on 04/14/2012 10:01:42 PM PDT by JediJones (From the makers of Romney, Bloomberg/Schwarzenegger 2016. Because the GOP can never go too far left.)
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To: JediJones

Maybe. Unclear on that chart what they mean. Does the winner take all the delegates, but the delegates are selected to represent all the districts,instead of a state wide list. Or each district is winner take all. Could be either scenario. We will find out soon enough.


135 posted on 04/14/2012 10:06:35 PM PDT by gusty
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To: JediJones

Santorum saw himself as the last contender, and rightly so. He was. Newt is going nowhere, except in the minds of people who live in fantasyland. I look at what is, not what I want it to be. If all I get from a Romney win in November is a fun night channel surfing the Liberal Media, it will be worth it to me. You gotta admit that would be great night of television. I will even watch MSNBC that night. Just the look on Matthews face on a night like that would be priceless.


136 posted on 04/14/2012 10:15:08 PM PDT by gusty
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To: JediJones

I hope you’re right on that. I hope he releases his delegates to Gingrich.

At this point we’re fighting for the survival of this country, and if we don’t survive it’s gonna be impossible to cash in on any IOU’s for later.

IOW, it would not only be wrong for him to put his own ambitions above his country, it would be stupid.


137 posted on 04/14/2012 10:19:44 PM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: JediJones

Now that Bloomberg/Schwartzenneger 2016 would push even me, Mr GOP into voting third party. Hell, Bloomberg would be the only candidate i would vote for Obama instead of him.


138 posted on 04/14/2012 10:19:50 PM PDT by gusty
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To: butterdezillion

Lets make a deal. If Newt gets the delegates and takes the brass ring, I will be 110% behind Newt with pleasure. I really like the guy. But if the opposite happens, lets come together and go for the win in November. Open to it.


139 posted on 04/14/2012 10:24:51 PM PDT by gusty
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To: gusty

It sounds like this country doesn’t mean jack to you.

Sad.

If Santorum is the way you describe him then he’s a conceited little worm.


140 posted on 04/14/2012 10:25:22 PM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: butterdezillion

I have tried to stay civil in this discussion. I did not question your love of country. If you want to be a jerk, just let me know. I will give it back with both barrels. Santorum is not a conceited little worm, he is a human playing at the game of politics as the game has been played since 1789. If you expected messiahs from any of these candidates for last couple months, you got to grow up. I’m not the one lending Obama a hand in getting reelected here. If it hurts your little feelings that someone doesn’t see things exactly as you, well too bad.


141 posted on 04/14/2012 10:33:31 PM PDT by gusty
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To: gusty

Why not be behind Newt 110% right now, when it counts?

I’ve already said I would plug my nose, drink a jug of whiskey, and then pull the lever for Romney if my only choice was between Tyrant and Tyrant Light.

But why should we settle for that kind of choice, when we can work for a candidate who isn’t knee-high to a worm? Why should we leave for ourselves only the choice between a guy who thinks fully-born infants should be disposable, and a guy who has forced people to perform abortions against their will? That’s like stocking your cabinet with arsenic and botulinum so you have the choice of dying fast or dying slow. Why not, instead, stock your cabinet with TEA?

That’s all I’m saying. We still have the option of TEA, so why even talk about whether to drink the arsenic or the botulinum?


142 posted on 04/14/2012 10:33:48 PM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: gusty

One night of being able to gloat is not what I’m looking for. I’ve got kids who will be stuck living with whatever we choose.

I’m sick of the way politics has been played since 1789. Nobody pledges their life, treasure, and sacred honor for this country. It’s all just a big battle for homecoming king so a person can get bragging rights and the chance to live in luxury. If that’s all it is for these guys, screw ‘em all.

I’m sick of the plastic Ken dolls. I want a real man. Who serves something bigger than his own ego.

I’m not lending Obama anything. I’ve said that so many times it’s getting old. I’ll choose botulinum over arsenic if those are my only choices. But I will fight with everything I’ve got and everything I am to reserve for myself a choice that I can execute without first having to deaden my conscience with booze.


143 posted on 04/14/2012 10:47:15 PM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: butterdezillion

My goal is to get rid of Obama period. I have no beef with your arguments on the merits of them. But what you want will not happen as of April 15, 2012. Why waste the resources we will need in the fall. The enemy is the Democrats, not ourselves. The primaries were fought out and the winner is obvious to most. Newt would agree. Watch, he will barely campaign from hear on out. I haven’t heard a negative word from Newt in weeks, why, because he knows he’s lost. Newt’s an old pro, he knows the deal. He has no illusions. If Obama is reelected most of us will be devastated, but watch the candidates, all of them, they will be less so. Why, because this is the business they have chosen, they realize all victories and defeats are temporary things. They pick themselves up and on to the next campaign, the next day sometimes.


144 posted on 04/14/2012 10:53:22 PM PDT by gusty
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To: Engraved-on-His-hands

I do believe thatSaraPalin could destroy the GOP if she wanted to.


145 posted on 04/14/2012 10:53:45 PM PDT by Manic_Episode (Politics is fake. I think it's owned by Vince Mcmahon)
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To: butterdezillion

Unfortunately what you are looking for doesn’t exist in this world, maybe the next. The world we got is the one inhabited by flawed human beings. Human history is not pretty. But it sure is interesting. All I’m looking for, seriously, is a better economy at this point. If Romney can get me there, that’s all I ask. Any of our guys and gals would have been better than Obama. Free markets work every time. Government never. The television stuff was an attempt at a little humor. Without humor you will lose your mind in these times.


146 posted on 04/14/2012 11:05:15 PM PDT by gusty
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To: Engraved-on-His-hands

I will never ever vote third party period, and anyone proposing third party for the Republican side is proposing 4 more years of obummer. HELL NO. Every day I will go out there and work like my life depends on it to get the best possible NOBAMA into the White House and the community marxist and his mo-bama OUT OF THERE.


147 posted on 04/14/2012 11:08:16 PM PDT by parisa
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To: Engraved-on-His-hands

The real name for your third party is “The Party of The One”. I don’t like this anymore than you do, but the Party establishment has boned us again. It really is a choice between Obama and the closest thing they could find to Obama: Mitt Romney. It’s a choice between bad and worse.


148 posted on 04/14/2012 11:10:02 PM PDT by Redcloak (Mitt Romney: Puttin' the "Country club" back in "Republican".)
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To: gusty

If Mitt Romney doesn’t have even the begrudging support of most R’s after he’s bought the endorsements of everybody, had the GOP-e cheat to get him winner-takes-all delegates against the law and unlawfully change the petition requirements in order to keep Newt and Santorum off the ballot, etc, has outspent his opponents by large margins on vicious attack ads, and has a Soros-owned media fawning over him because Soros says he doesn’t care whether Obama or Romney gets in because they’d be the same anyway..... then how the heck do you think he’s going to stand a chance once the media knows he’s the candidate and actually turns on him to protect their sugar-daddy?

If Mitt can’t even buy half of the republicans, what makes anybody think he can buy off the welfare class when Obama’s got all our tax dollars to use for that purpose?

As I’ve already said, 60-75% of the public opposes Obamacare, and yet we are throwing away the one issue where there is great bi-partisan consensus by nominating the guy who shoved the same crap sandwich on Massachusetts. Who are we thinking Romney would be able to attract, even if we DID save our money for him to use in the general? The places that would consider voting for Romney because he’s “moderate” (gag) are places like California and New York. You really think Romney is going to be able to win CA and NY by being Obama Lite?


149 posted on 04/14/2012 11:52:56 PM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: gusty

This country was founded by flawed people who were capable of humbly fighting for something bigger than themselves.

I believe our military is full of flawed people who humbly fight for something bigger than themselves.

People live up to your expectations or they live down to your expectations. The talk we’re hearing right now leads people to live down. It’s cynical, loveless, and meaningless. It has no soul.

If that’s where we’re at then I don’t even care what the economy does; we’ve got no soul to make money mean anything anyway.


150 posted on 04/14/2012 11:57:28 PM PDT by butterdezillion
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