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Romney on Abortion - 2002 [Contrast this with "I have always been Pro-Life"] (Feb 19, 2007)
YouTube.com ^ | Feb 19, 2007 | Mitt Romney

Posted on 04/15/2012 2:57:53 PM PDT by SoConPubbie

Mitt Romney outlines his position on abortion in his 2002 run for governor of Massachusetts


TOPICS: Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: obama2012; romney
And the Un-Masking of Mitt Romney, the left-wing, Progressive Liberal, continues . . .
"If we must have an enemy at the head of Government, let it be one whom we can oppose, and for whom we are not responsible, who will not involve our party in the disgrace of his foolish and bad measures." - Alexander Hamilton

1 posted on 04/15/2012 2:58:01 PM PDT by SoConPubbie
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To: SoConPubbie

Thanks for posting this, I’ve never seen it before.

Obama 2012!


2 posted on 04/15/2012 3:02:25 PM PDT by Las Vegas Ron (Rush Limbaugh = the Beethoven of talk radio - http://www.istandwithrush.org/)
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To: Las Vegas Ron

The better option:

Gingrich 2012!


3 posted on 04/15/2012 3:04:37 PM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: Las Vegas Ron

FUBO!! FUMR!!

But did you notice the evil smirk on this bastard’s face when he said underage girls could get an abortion without a parent’s approval if a judge says yes! And he (Romney) doesn’t object, but wholeheartedly supports it! Purely evil!!


4 posted on 04/15/2012 3:07:20 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (There's no crying in rebellion!!)
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To: SoConPubbie

I’m with you Obama 2012!


5 posted on 04/15/2012 3:10:08 PM PDT by NoLibZone (I'm with Sarah- Anybody but Obama, because it's not always about me.)
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To: NoLibZone

Is Obama running in the Republican primary, or are you skipping over the R primary that’s still in progress?

There is one pro-life candidate who understands the threat of the Islamists. Newt Gingrich. If you dislike Obama’s policies and the tactics of the dems (which have been copied by the GOPe) there’s one person you can still support.

The season of conservative v conservative just ended and now the season of conservative v liberal begins. It’s a brand-new season, and if conservatives lose it will be a crapshoot between Tyrant One and Tyrant Two for our White House.


6 posted on 04/15/2012 3:14:45 PM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: SoConPubbie; All
Ah...the quote in the clip...Mitt Romney's not pro-choice...Mitt Romney's not anti-choice...Mitt Romney is multiple choice...

Btw, in the clip a reference is made to how Mitt presented himself the year before this clip (2001) to a Utah reading audience: Romney "reassured" Utah Mormons that...he's not really "pro-choice," after all: "I do not wish to be labeled pro-choice." (Mitt Romney, Letter to the Editor, The Salt Lake Tribune, 7/12/01)

So preserving and protecting abortion-on-demand wasn't "pro-choice" in 2001 or during the clip (2002), eh?

Can Mitt ever be truthful?

Mitt...the waffle-maker:

YEAR Obvious Pro-Abortion Romney Romney Feigning 'Pro-Life'
Bottom-Line Summary: ANN Romney Lies Thru Her Teeth Ann Romney, 1994: Romney's wife gives donation to Planned Parenthood (Ann Romney’s Planned Parenthood Donation Ann Romney, 2011: In the past you’ve said he’s changed positions only once, on abortion. Was that your doing? No, no, I never talked to Mitt about that. Our personal opinions have never changed; we’ve always been pro-life (Ann Romney Reveals Mitt's Softer Side)
Bottom-Line Summary: Mitt Romney Lies Thru His Teeth “Over the last multiple years, as you know, I have been effectively pro-choice." (Bruce Smith, "Romney Campaigns in SC with Sen. DeMint," The Associated Press, 1/29/07) + ...”my position was effectively pro-choice." (Source: 2007 GOP Iowa Straw Poll debate 8/5/2007) So, not only does Ann Romney tell Parade Magazine November 2011 that they've “never changed” re: abortion and that they've “always been pro-life,” but Mitt Romney told Chris Wallace part-way through their 2007 campaign that: “I never allowed myself to use the word pro-choice because I didn't FEEL I was pro-choice. I would protect the law, I said, as it was, but I wasn't pro-choice”...This was seven months after he said in January 2007 that he was “always for life.”
Romney, goin' back to 1970 when Romney's Mom ran for Senate "I believe that abortion should be safe and legal in this country. I have since the time when my Mom took that position when she ran in 1970 as a U.S. Senate candidate. (October, 1994 Senatorial debate vs. Ted Kennedy) "'He's been a pro-life Mormon faking it as a pro-choice friendly,'" Romney adviser Michael Murphy told the conservative National Review..., says the Concord Monitor = So I guess that made him a below-the-radar "flip" acting like a "flop?"
1994 (Campaign) "I believe that abortion should be safe and legal in this country. I have since the time when my Mom took that position when she ran in 1970 as a U.S. Senate candidate. I believe that since Roe v. Wade has been the law for 20 years that we should sustain and support it, and I sustain and support that law and the right of a woman to make that choice." (October, 1994 Senatorial debate vs. Ted Kennedy) = Mitt the flipster from what most LDS represent their faith as being...BTW, Romney uses the strongest word possible for support – “sustain” ...Note for non-Mormons: Lds use the word “sustain” for support for their own “prophet” Romney has since invoked a "nuanced stance" about what he was in 1994: He says "Look, I was pro-choice. I am pro-life. You can go back to YouTube and look at what I said in 1994. I never said I was pro-choice, but my position was effectively pro-choice. (Source: Source: 2007 GOP Iowa Straw Poll debate Aug 5, 2007)
1994 (Planned Parenthood ties) → 2001 (a) Romney's wife gives donation to Planned Parenthood (a href="http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/05/09/ann-romneys-planned-parenthood-donation/">Ann Romney’s Planned Parenthood Donation (b) On June 12, 1994, Romney himself attends private Planned Parenthood event at home of a sister-in-law of a Planned Parenthood board member where the president of Planned Parenthood recalls talking to Romney: "Nicki Nichols Gamble, a former president and chief executive of Planned Parenthood League of Massachusetts, said today that the photo shows Mitt and Ann Romney at a private home in Cohasset in June 1994." Source: See http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1941932/posts; "Gamble said the pic was snapped at an event at GOP activist Eleanor Bleakie’s house and that she “clearly” remembered speaking with Romney at the event." Source: See http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1941627/posts; "In fact Romney personally attended the Planned Parenthood event in question on June 12, 1994. Gamble, the President of Massachusuetts Planned Parenthood in 1994, also attended the event at the home of a Republican, Eleanor Bleakie, the sister-in-law of a Planned Parenthood Board member. Both Romney and Michael Kennedy, who appeared on behalf of nephew of Ted Kennedy, attended the event." Source: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1941240/posts 2001: "I do not wish to be labeled pro-choice." (Mitt Romney, Letter to the Editor, The Salt Lake Tribune, 7/12/01) = So he doesn't want to be known as a "flop" (so what is he?)
2002-2004 “I will preserve and protect a woman’s right to choose, and have devoted and am dedicated to honoring my word in that regard…(Nov. 2, 2002) = Well, now guess what? He's solidly pro-abortion AGAIN! See also: "I respect and will protect a woman's right to choose. This choice is a deeply personal one … Women should be free to choose based on their own beliefs, not mine and not the government's." (Stephanie Ebbert, "Clarity Sought On Romney's Abortion Stance," The Boston Globe, 7/3/05) = Ah, back securely in the "flop" saddle again? Nov. '04: Romney & his wife had simultaneous pro-life "conversions" linked to stem cell research: Romney met w/Dr. Douglas Melton from Harvard Stem Cell Institute: He recalls that it happened in a single revelatory moment, during a Nov. 9, 2004, meeting with an embryonic-stem-cell researcher who said he didn't believe therapeutic cloning presented a moral issue because the embryos were destroyed at 14 days. "It hit me very hard that we had so cheapened the value of human life in a Roe v. Wade environment that it was important to stand for the dignity of human life," Romney says. Source: Time Mag, March 9, 2007 = (So the pro-abortion-but-no-pro-choice-label-please-is-now-a-pro-life-convert?)
2005 May 27 2005: Romney affirms his commitment to being "pro-choice" at a press conference. ("I am absolutely committed to my promise to maintain the status quo with regards to laws relating to abortion and choice.") = OK, this is at least a flop from November '04! What about his gubernatorial record '03-'06? Mitt later says his actions were ALL pro-life. I assume somewhere in '05 some 'pro-life' decisions. "As governor, I’ve had several pieces of legislation reach my desk, which would have expanded abortion rights in Massachusetts. Each of those I vetoed. Every action I’ve taken as the governor that relates to the sanctity of human life, I have stood on the side of life." = So, THESE ACTIONS were not only an '02 commitment reversal, but his May 27, '05 press conference commitment as well. So "flipping" is beginning to be routine
2006 April 12, 2006--Mitt signs his "Commonwealth Care" into existence, thereby expanding abortion access/taxpayer funded abortions for women--including almost 2% of the females of his state who earn $75,000 or more. (Wait a minute, I thought he told us post-'06 that ALL of his actions were "pro-life?"). Also, not only this, but as governor, Romney could exercise veto power to portions of Commonwealth Care. Did Romney exercise this power? (Yes, he vetoed Sections 5, 27, 29, 47, 112, 113, 134 & 137). What prominent section dealing with Planned Parenthood as part of the "payment policy advisory board" did Romney choose NOT to veto? (Section 3) That section mandates that one member of MassHealth Payment Policy Board must be appointed by Planned Parenthood League of MA. (See chapter 58 of the Acts of 2006, section 3 for details). "As governor, I’ve had several pieces of legislation reach my desk, which would have expanded abortion rights in Massachusetts. Each of those I vetoed. Every action I’ve taken as the governor that relates
Early 2007 On January 29, 2007 during South Carolina visit, Romney stated: “Over the last multiple years, as you know, I have been effectively pro-choice." (Bruce Smith, "Romney Campaigns in SC with Sen. DeMint," The Associated Press, 1/29/07) = OK how could "every action I've taken as the governor that relates to the sanctity of human life..." AND this statement BOTH be true? Another South Carolina campaign stop has Romney uttering "I was always for life”: "I am firmly pro-life… I was always for life." (Jim Davenport, "Romney Affirms Opposition to Abortion," The Associated Press, 2/9/2007) = Oh, of course as the above shows, he's always been pro-life!
Summer 2007 "I never said I was pro-choice, but my position was effectively pro-choice." Source: 2007 GOP Iowa Straw Poll debate 8/5/2007 = OK...looking at '94 & '02 campaigns, both his public statements, his 2002 voter guide responses, & his actions (which are a major form of expression, ya know!) how could he say he "never said" he was "pro-choice?" Then comes his 8/12/07 interview with Chris Wallace of Fox: "I never called myself pro-choice. I never allowed myself to use the word pro-choice because I didn't FEEL I was pro-choice. I would protect the law, I said, as it was, but I wasn't pro-choice, and so..." = Whatever he was from '70 when his mom ran as pro-abortion senator & he sided w/ her, to 5/27/05, w/whatever interruption he had due to a pro-life altar call in Nov of '04, whatever that was...well, he assures us it wasn't a pro-abortion 'inlook' or outlook 'cause he didn't feel "pro-choice..." = So does that make him a life-long pro-lifer?
December 2007 vs. November 2011 (Pro-treating offspring as research refuse late in previous POTUS campaign vs. now claiming 'never changed...always pro-life' December 4, 2007: Romney: ...surplus embryos...Those embryos, I hope, could be available for adoption for people who would like to adopt embryos. But if a parent decides they would want to donate one of those embryos for purposes of research, in my view, that's acceptable. It should not be made against the law." (Source: Candidates Reveal Their Biggest Mistakes) Any "inquiring minds" want to try wrapping their minds around how a politician in one sentence mentions "adopting" embryos out (yes, a great thing to mention!) -- but then in the very NEXT breath says if a "PARENT" wants to be "pro-choice" (Mitt used the word "decides" which is what "pro-choicers" say they want) "to donate one of those embryos for purposes of research, in my view, that's acceptable." Say what???? How about 8-month gestationally-aged infants in the womb, Mitt? Or already-born infants, too, Mitt? If a "parent decides they would want to donate one of those...for purposes of research, in my view, that's acceptable..." No??? What's the 'pro-life' difference, Mitt? Here you call an embryo's mom&dad "parents" -- but "parents" w/ "research" give-away rights? How bizarre we have such a schizophrenic "candidate!" In the past you’ve said he’s changed positions only once, on abortion. Was that your doing? No, no, I never talked to Mitt about that. Our personal opinions have never changed; we’ve always been pro-life (Ann Romney Reveals Mitt's Softer Side)

7 posted on 04/15/2012 3:33:10 PM PDT by Colofornian ( The Romneybots are political descendents of Esau: Trading a FR inheritance for a 'lentil soup' guy)
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To: NoLibZone; SoConPubbie
I’m with you Obama 2012!

Sounds like it...I guess you're waffling, too, eh, tween which socialist healthcare author to support? Or which pro-abort to vote for, eh?

8 posted on 04/15/2012 3:35:16 PM PDT by Colofornian ( The Romneybots are political descendents of Esau: Trading a FR inheritance for a 'lentil soup' guy)
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To: SoConPubbie

Premature and ill timed to unmask.

It hurts the site which effects the fight to enlarge the conservative movement.


9 posted on 04/15/2012 3:42:03 PM PDT by KSanders (Hope and Change is now Class and Gender warfare)
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To: Jim Robinson; SoConPubbie
But did you notice the evil smirk on this bastard’s face when he said underage girls could get an abortion without a parent’s approval if a judge says yes! And he (Romney) doesn’t object, but wholeheartedly supports it! Purely evil!!

I did, I despise Romney, I hate evil, and do not support it.

My post was of sarcasm to soconpubbie, I get it.

What it ultimately means though is that, barring a miracle, I/we have to live through another for years of this traitorous fu*kin peice of sh!t in the White hut....my apologies for the foul language.

Sorry it pisses me off, I'm frustrated and ready to throw my computer out the window.

I posted in frustration of getting reminded about it again, I know what mitt is!

I'll continue to our normal broadcasting, rant and vent over.

10 posted on 04/15/2012 3:47:16 PM PDT by Las Vegas Ron (Rush Limbaugh = the Beethoven of talk radio - http://www.istandwithrush.org/)
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To: KSanders
Premature and ill timed to unmask.

It hurts the site which effects the fight to enlarge the conservative movement.


You don't enlarge the conservative movement by agreeing with or covering up that which is anti-thetical to the conservative movement.

That is the poison that is destroying the conservative movement and the GOP this election season and it is best epitomized by supporting, in any way, that lying, left-wing, Progressive Liberal Mitt Romney.
11 posted on 04/15/2012 3:49:18 PM PDT by SoConPubbie
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To: butterdezillion
Gingrich 2012!

Your words on this site to God's ear butter!

12 posted on 04/15/2012 3:50:44 PM PDT by Las Vegas Ron (Rush Limbaugh = the Beethoven of talk radio - http://www.istandwithrush.org/)
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To: SoConPubbie

In life and business timing is everything.

You are having a negative effect on a site that is in a position to promote conservatism.


13 posted on 04/15/2012 3:59:19 PM PDT by KSanders (Hope and Change is now Class and Gender warfare)
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To: Las Vegas Ron

It pisses me off too and I’m having a real problem keeping from reverting to my natural sea going first language when these hypocritical surrender monkeys continue attacking me for my conservative stance. I’m shocked to see so many long term supposedly pro-life conservatives falling for this B/S and doubly shocked that they seem surprised at my refusal to go along, especially since I’ve been posting the truth about Romney over and over again for at least the last six years when he first started running for the presidency and lying about his record. And I’ve announced hundreds of times on this forum during the last several years that I would never support this abortionist liberal bastard come hell or high water!!


14 posted on 04/15/2012 4:00:38 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (There's no crying in rebellion!!)
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To: KSanders
You are having a negative effect on a site that is in a position to promote conservatism.

Really?

From whose perspective?

Romney, Karl Rove, Ann Coulter, the GOP-E?

You sound like Clinton with his "it all depends on the definition of the word is" garbage.

Your definition of conservatism is watered down.
15 posted on 04/15/2012 4:01:56 PM PDT by SoConPubbie
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To: SoConPubbie

The site reflects the position of great conservatives such as Reagan.


16 posted on 04/15/2012 4:09:18 PM PDT by KSanders (Hope and Change is now Class and Gender warfare)
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To: KSanders
In life and business timing is everything.

You are having a negative effect on a site that is in a position to promote conservatism.


We are in the middle of the primaries to nominate the GOP nominee. There are still 46% of the delegates to be won and you want us to stop exposing the lying, left-wing, Progressive Liberal fraud that is Mitt Romney?

The right time to expose a liar and a fraud is right now and continuously.

The truth is always more important than political games.
17 posted on 04/15/2012 4:20:30 PM PDT by SoConPubbie
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To: Jim Robinson
I understand where you are coming from. I also understand this Country has never faced a marxist dictator in the White House before. Many folks here want to vote against the most evil by voting in the lesser evil.

They're struggling to make a choice to buy time vs no time....or utter chaos.

I think many of those who would choose the lesser evil are trying to buy time to correct a ship that has been long off course, I think they have some validity to their point.

I dunno Jim, obama has done his job well. The GOP not getting the message of 2010 is another stick in the eye as far as I can tell.

I have nothing positive to think about the future, only hardship.

18 posted on 04/15/2012 4:33:04 PM PDT by Las Vegas Ron (Rush Limbaugh = the Beethoven of talk radio - http://www.istandwithrush.org/)
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To: SoConPubbie

Yeah I’m sure democratic trolls will continue to help us fracture the vote, and try to disenfranchise the party.

Good luck with that....

ANYONE BUT OBAMA !


19 posted on 04/15/2012 4:38:06 PM PDT by mike_9958
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To: SoConPubbie; All

well, I might get zotted for this, but regarding this coming election, it’s very simple:

ANYBODY BUT OBAMA!!!!

That includes Mitt! Whole-HEARTEDLY!

Yes, he’s got issues. Serious issues that would cause me to not vote for him. So do all of them. My personal favorite was Newt, but he’s not gonna be the candidate.

AND THIS AIN’T NO DAMNED ELECTION WHERE WE CONSERVATIVES HAVE THE DAMNED LUXURY OF STAYING HOME!!! TOO MUCH IS AT STAKE!!!

ALL THE REPUBLICAN CANDIDATES, EVERY SINGLE ONE, WILL BE BETTER THAN OBAMA. And if it’s concerns about getting back to small government, rolling back the damage the usurper has inflicted, then it’s gonna take a lot more than a president to do this. Something like increase in Tea Party representation - that’s the only thing that can cleanse the establishment GOP.

Ok, Helmet on; foxhole occupied - let the incoming rounds land where they may.

JG


20 posted on 04/15/2012 5:27:23 PM PDT by CGVet58 (God has granted us Liberty, and we owe Him Courage in return)
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To: mike_9958
Yeah I’m sure democratic trolls will continue to help us fracture the vote, and try to disenfranchise the party.

Good luck with that....

ANYONE BUT OBAMA !


As opposed to a Romney troll or GOP-E troll like you?

And by the way, it's not just "ANYONE BUT OBAMA", it's ANYONE BUT THE CRYPTO-COMMUNIST OBAMA AND THAT LYING, LEFT-WING, PROGRESSIVE LIBERAL MITT ROMNEY!!!"


What part of the following statement by Jim Robinson don't you understand?


A reminder for those who are not receiving the message:

Romney is a pathological compulsive liar. Lie after lie papered over with more lies. Doesn’t even flinch when caught in bald faced lies, simply tells another big whopper to cover up or dodge the issue. Funny thing, the man actually seems to believe his own latest lies and simply ignores the glaring record of his past actions/lies. And you have true blue establishment elite RINO Republicans like Karl Rove enabling and backing up his lies. Their motivation is simply to hang on to power (and riches) any way they can.

I’ve stated many times since Romney started running for the presidency way back when that I’d never vote for him and I will not. He cannot lie his way out of his decades long record of support for abortion, Roe v Wade, planned parenthood, gay rights, gun control, global warming, amnesty, liberal judges, big government, compulsory or socialized health care (RomneyCommieCare), mandates, Keynesian economics, support and approval of TARP, bailouts, stimulus packages, i.e, every damn liberal progressive issue that comes down the pike.

C’mon. These are the reasons the tea party sprang up and the reasons he and Rove loathe the tea party and our tea party conservative candidates. Romney famously expressed his loathing for Reagan-Bush conservatism several years ago when he was trying to run to the left of Ted Kennedy and now he’s cloaking himself in Reagan conservatism, knowing full well that it’s a lie, but he knows it’s the only way he can possibly win, er buy the Republican nomination.

Screw Romney!! I absolutely will not support or vote for a proven compulsive liar with a known record of abortion and big government socialism, liberal appointments, etc. He still lies about RomneyCommieCare today. Calls it a “conservative solution.” Get real!!

Listen to what Ronald Reagan had to say about the elites pushing socialism on America via compulsory health insurance:

Ronald Reagan speaks out against RomneyCommieCare

There will be no campaign for this Massachusetts liberal liar on FR!!
21 posted on 04/15/2012 7:24:33 PM PDT by SoConPubbie
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To: SoConPubbie

you campaigned against McCain and gave us Obama....

go ahead and spew then go back to DU


22 posted on 04/16/2012 6:50:42 PM PDT by mike_9958
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To: mike_9958
you campaigned against McCain and gave us Obama....

Boy I hope I have that power.

I'd like nothing less than to be able to destroy that lying, left-wing, Progressive Liberal in the primaries.
23 posted on 04/16/2012 7:32:28 PM PDT by SoConPubbie
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To: SoConPubbie

everyone had their chance .... give it up

he wasn’t my first choice but he’s better than what we have now....

and you are way more silly than destructive....


24 posted on 04/16/2012 7:40:52 PM PDT by mike_9958
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To: mike_9958
everyone had their chance .... give it up

he wasn’t my first choice but he’s better than what we have now....

and you are way more silly than destructive....


Oh really?

By how much?

25 posted on 04/16/2012 8:01:29 PM PDT by SoConPubbie
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To: SoConPubbie

what part of ANYBODY BUT OBAMA don’t you get ?


26 posted on 04/17/2012 6:04:29 PM PDT by mike_9958
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To: mike_9958
what part of ANYBODY BUT OBAMA don’t you get ?

What part of Mitt Romney is a lying, coniving, left-wing, Progressive Liberal don't YOU get?

Romney's record is almost identical to Obama's and there are 46% of the delegates left to win in the GOP Primaries and you have an actual conservative still running in Newt.

Why are you pimping a lying, left-wing, Progressive Liberal on a website devoted to conservative principles?


27 posted on 04/17/2012 6:33:30 PM PDT by SoConPubbie
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To: SoConPubbie

oh please - you don’t know me....

you are advocating for Obama on a conservative website, I am advocating for ANYBODY BUT OBAMA....

You gotta be a DU troll - you’re not even trying to pretend you are a conservative.


28 posted on 04/17/2012 7:17:38 PM PDT by mike_9958
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To: mike_9958
oh please - you don’t know me....

you are advocating for Obama on a conservative website, I am advocating for ANYBODY BUT OBAMA....

You gotta be a DU troll - you’re not even trying to pretend you are a conservative.


You seem to be very irritated when Mitt Romney's left-wing, Progressive Liberal record is shown to you, why?

Does it bother you that his cover is being blown?
29 posted on 04/17/2012 7:51:14 PM PDT by SoConPubbie
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To: SoConPubbie

Ronmey0bama. Pick your poison!


30 posted on 04/17/2012 8:01:04 PM PDT by Principle Over Politics (Romney 2012 is McCain 2008. No more RINOs! It was good while it lasted, Sarah.)
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To: mike_9958; SoConPubbie
Wow. The owner of this site is also against liberal Romney. Is he a DU troll too?

Romney is our John Kerry.

Anybody but Bush got the Dems Kerry. And they lost.

Anybody but Obama MAY get us Romney. Who is a LOT like Kerry.

I pray that Gingrich can win some primaries and stop John Mitt Obamney.

31 posted on 04/17/2012 8:42:42 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are here! What will you do?)
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To: mike_9958
You gotta be a DU troll - you’re not even trying to pretend you are a conservative.

So you equate support for a lying, left-wing, Progressive Liberal as your litmus test for being conservative?

Are you for real?
32 posted on 04/17/2012 9:49:42 PM PDT by SoConPubbie
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To: SoConPubbie
My test is simpler than that... nimrod....

If you support voting for Obama over ANY GOP or Libertarian candidate you are left wing Marxist.

And from what you are "implying" that is your position.

33 posted on 04/18/2012 5:29:37 PM PDT by mike_9958
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