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Posted on 04/15/2012 4:11:23 PM PDT by SoConPubbie
MITT ROMNEY: "But my view is that those 12 million who have come here illegally should be given the opportunity to sign up to stay here..."
So much for another lie by Romney that he is the toughest on Illegals
Of course he does.
It’s a great day to be a liberal. :)
Why exactly is he winning primaries?
The Heritage Foundation concluded that the cost of amnesty would be $2.6 trillion just for increased entitlement program costs. And the number of additional LEGAL immigrants who would join those who were the recipients of amnesty through chain migration, i.e., family reunification, would approach 70 million over a 20-year period, assuming there are only 12 million illegal aliens. We cannot assimilate such numbers. An amnesty would destroy the United States of America with the stroke of a pen.
Newt supports amnesty no matter how Orwellian his use of language is. He is rewarding people who broke our laws by not only entering illegally, but working illegally, committing ID theft, evading taxes, etc. These are not the people who should have their status legalized and allowed to remain in this country. It is not about citizenship, but giving criminals the object of their crime, i.e., to stay and work here.
We had a "one time" amnesty 26 years ago. It doesn't work. And we have something called the Rule of Law. There are billions of people who would love to come here and pay $5,000 to stay and work here. When you reward something, you get more of it.
6. Create a path to earned legality for some of the millions of people who are here outside the law.
There are currently anywhere from 8 to 12 million people living in the United States who entered illegally.
These people range from day laborers who arrived recently, to grandparents who have been paying taxes, supporting their families and obeying the law for decades.
We need a system that enforces the rule of law, ensures that those who broke the law pay a stiff penalty, but also acknowledges that it is neither optimal nor feasible nor humane to deport every single illegal immigrant.
We need a path to legality, but not citizenship, for some of these individuals who have deep ties to America, including family, church and community ties. We also need a path to swift but dignified repatriation for those who are transient and have no roots in America.
We need a process that can distinguish at the human level.
Congress must charge the Department of Justice to establish a “citizens’ review” process for those here outside the law. It would establish committees to process these cases in individual communities and determine who will continue on this path to legality, and who will be sent home. Congress must define understandable, clear, objective legal standards that will be applied equally during this process. While this process is ongoing, those here outside the law will be granted Temporary Legal Status for a certain, limited period of time until all have had the opportunity to apply and appear in front of committees.
Applicants must first pass a criminal background check, and then the local committees will assess applications based on family and community ties, and ability to support oneself via employment without the assistance of Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, and other entitlement programs.
The government will rigorously enforce a requirement that all individuals seeking this path to legality must be able to prove that they can independently pay for private health insurance. If an individual cannot prove this, they will lose the ability to stay in the United States.
Furthermore, proficiency in English within a certain number of years, similar to the requirement for naturalization, will be required for anyone who seeks continued legal status in the United States.
Once an applicant has been granted the right to obtain legal status, he or she will have to pay a penalty of at least $5,000.
Moving forward, those who receive this status will have to prove on a regular basis that they can support themselves without entitlement programs and pay for health insurance or else risk the ability to stay in the United States.
Thank you.
Here is the problem: there already exists laws which legally prevent ALL illegal aliens from being thrown back over the border:
“We need a path to legality, but not citizenship, for some of these individuals who have deep ties to America, including family, church and community ties...”
There exist illegal aliens who have been here decades and married U.S. citizens, produced children and grandchildren who are U.S. citizens, and because of already existing laws given preferential treatment by INS. These illegal aliens may be deported but only temporarily before being allowed to return. That’s the law when an alien has close family relatives who are citizens.
He’s not pro amnesty; he is stating legal reality that for some illegal aliens permanent deportation just isn’t going to happen.
However: “...We also need a path to swift but dignified repatriation for those who are transient and have no roots in America.”
If a person is an illegal alien married to another illegal alien they will be deported. Children, even if born in the U.S. will go with parents BECAUSE the Clinton Administration set the precedent when they sent Elian Gonzalez back to Cuba with his father - the U.S. keeps families together.
These laws already exist, kabar. Newt Gingrich will have them enforced once again, something the last four Presidents did not do at all.
To change these laws, Congress must act.
With Rick Santorum’s recent departure from the 2012 presidential sweepstakes, the Republican establishment — aided and abetted by self-identified “conservative” voters — has just ensured the re-election of Barack Obama.
The GOP now fields one of the most disliked, ruthlessly ambitious, untruthful, problematic candidates for president in recent memory. Never before in modern history has a Republican presidential candidate been so overtly manipulative of the political process, or of the public mind, than Mitt Romney. (You’d have to revisit Obama’s media-driven, illusion-based 2008 Democratic candidacy to see something comparable). As a result, rarely has the Republican base been left with so unpopular a choice.
http://www.renewamerica.com/romney_mccain.htm
This is a great article.
Is the idea here to suppress turnout so that Obama is re-elected, then dance around in self-congratulatory glee, reveling in your own brilliance?
I was for Palin, then Bachmann, then Perry, then Cain, then Santorum. So we end up with Romney. Please don’t tell me there is no difference in who Romney & Obama would nominate for SCOTUS.
I am very aware of the law. Yes, if an illegal alien is married to an American, that person can eventually reenter the country once his spouse applies for sponsorship. But this will involve investigating the individual with a background check and physical. There are over 2 million "criminal" aliens in this country. And the vast majority of illegals, 12 to 20 million of them, are not married to amcits. So let's adhere to the rule of law and process people according to it.
Remember that we had an amnesty 26 years ago. The supporters of that amnesty said it would be one time and there would never be another one. The USG estimated that 1 million would apply, but the real number turned out to be 2.7 million. We now have 12 to 20 million illegals not counting the 300,000 to 400,000 anchor babies born each year.
He’s not pro amnesty; he is stating legal reality that for some illegal aliens permanent deportation just isn’t going to happen.
The logic of that is nonsense. We are not going to catch every murderer, but that doesn't mean we accept the fact that some murderers will escape justice. The proponents of amnesty are wont to create the false choice between a blanket amnesty and mass deportation of 12 to 20 million illegal aliens. In reality, we have other choices and alternatives that don’t reward people who have broken our laws with the right to stay and work here and an eventual path to citizenship. The 12 to 20 million illegal aliens did not enter this country overnight and they will not leave overnight. Attrition through enforcement works. We have empirical data from Georgia, Oklahoma, Alabama, and Arizona proving that it does.
If a person is an illegal alien married to another illegal alien they will be deported. Children, even if born in the U.S. will go with parents BECAUSE the Clinton Administration set the precedent when they sent Elian Gonzalez back to Cuba with his father - the U.S. keeps families together.
Wrong. Parents can allow their children 18 and under to remain in the US if they find an appropriate guardian to be responsibile for the children. Once the children reach 21, they can sponsor their parents to enter the US legally under chain migration, i.e., family reunification. Failing to find a guardian will mean that the children will be deported with the family, but they remain US citizens.
These laws already exist, kabar. Newt Gingrich will have them enforced once again, something the last four Presidents did not do at all. To change these laws, Congress must act.
We just need to enforce our existing laws and illegal immigration will decrease significantly and many will self-deport. Conferring rights and privileges upon illegal aliens has a corrosive effect on the Rule of Law, the very foundation of our Republic. It is also a slap in the face to legal immigrants who have followed the rules and obeyed the laws. There are millions of immigrants waiting their turn overseas to enter the U.S. legally. They have completed all of the paperwork including background investigations and physicals. Many have been waiting for years to enter depending on which immigration category they are in. Allowing those who entered illegally and have placed down "deep roots" to have their status legalized is just not fair and it sends the wrong signal to the hundreds of millions of people wishing to come here.
I know one thing about our situation: there is no way in Hell you’re going to get what you want except through laws passed by Congress.
Okay, you don’t trust Gingrich to enforce the laws as they exist. As President, Newt will not make laws. He know how our government should function while most in Congress do not.
Your choice then is to not vote, OR between Obama, a communist, and Romney, a fascist. Neither gives a damn about the U.S.Constitution, the law, or the rights of citizens. To vote for someone else after the nominating convention is to give the election to the communists.
Congress doesn't have to pass any more immigration laws. Enforcing the existing laws will go a long way to solving the illegal immigration problem. Here is the way our immigration problem, legal and illegal, needs to be addressed:
Republicans need to provide the American people with their own comprehensive immigration reform plan, i.e., give people a reason to vote FOR something rather than just attack the other side’s proposals. Such a plan should contain the following elements:
Formulate a merit based immigration system that brings in the skills and talents to keep us competitive in the global economy;
Reduce immigration levels based on need more closely approximating 300,000 a year;
Eliminate extended chain migration, i.e., family reunification, limiting it to the nuclear family,
Secure the border;
Enforce existing immigration laws to reduce the current illegal alien population and limit future illegal immigration, i.e., attrition thru enforcement. Enforcement would include: (1) ending the job magnet; (2) increasing coordination at the federal level by eliminating barriers to information sharing among agencies; (3) leveraging state and local enforcement resources; (4) fully implementing the US-VISIT Program to track and deport visa overstays; and (5) make mandatory and improve such programs as E-Verify and 287 [g] authority to assist employers and law enforcement in identifying illegal aliens;
Eliminate birthright citizenship and the visa lottery program;
Ensure that anyone who enters this nation illegally is not rewarded by being permitted to stay and work here; i.e., no amnesty;
Streamline the processing and adjudication of immigration cases;
Promote pro-immigrant measures that help newcomers assimilate and embrace the values and principles of our Founders and the Constitution.
I agree you with you 100%.
If you want to turn FR into a campaign to re-elect Obama by trashing his opposition and working yourself into a tizzy by blasting and insulting anyone who disagrees it’s kind of sad but not my problem. I’m certain that Jim Robinson can speak and act for himself and until he boots me off I intend to participate and support FR as I have in my own modest way for 9+ years or so.
I was never for Romney but given the alternative of four more years (and two-three SCOTUS nominations) I’ll take him over Obama. That’s hardly ‘conducting a campaign’ for Romney.
I will be more than happy to rake Romney over the coals once the threat of a second Obama term is removed.
If you want to turn FR into a campaign to re-elect Obama by trashing his opposition and working yourself into a tizzy by blasting and insulting anyone who disagrees it’s kind of sad but not my problem. I’m certain that Jim Robinson can speak and act for himself and until he boots me off I intend to participate and support FR as I have in my own modest way for 9+ years or so.
I was never for Romney but given the alternative of four more years (and two-three SCOTUS nominations) I’ll take him over Obama. That’s hardly ‘conducting a campaign’ for Romney.
I will be more than happy to rake Romney over the coals once the threat of a second Obama term is removed.
Listen, that lying, left-wing, Progressive Liberal Barrack Obama, is your candidate. He will never be mine.
I don’t vote for lying, left-wing, Progressive Liberals even if presented when presented with propaganda that the world is going to end tomorrow if I don’t vote for him.
I’ll leave that up to you trash-anyone-running-against Obama types.
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