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A Veteranís Death, the Nationís Shame
New York Times ^ | April 14, 2012 | by Nicholas D. Kristof

Posted on 04/15/2012 7:18:33 PM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer

HERE’S a window into a tragedy within the American military: For every soldier killed on the battlefield this year, about 25 veterans are dying by their own hands.

An American soldier dies every day and a half, on average, in Iraq or Afghanistan. Veterans kill themselves at a rate of one every 80 minutes. More than 6,500 veteran suicides are logged every year — more than the total number of soldiers killed in Afghanistan and Iraq combined since those wars began.

These unnoticed killing fields are places like New Middletown, Ohio, where Cheryl DeBow raised two sons, Michael and Ryan Yurchison, and saw them depart for Iraq. Michael, then 22, signed up soon after the 9/11 attacks.

“I can’t just sit back and do nothing,” he told his mom. Two years later, Ryan followed his beloved older brother to the Army.

When Michael was discharged, DeBow picked him up at the airport — and was staggered. “When he got off the plane and I picked him up, it was like he was an empty shell,” she told me. “His body was shaking.” Michael began drinking and abusing drugs, his mother says, and he terrified her by buying the same kind of gun he had carried in Iraq. “He said he slept with his gun over there, and he needed it here,” she recalls.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Editorial; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: kristof; military; nicholasdkristof; nicholaskristof; veterans; veteransuicides

1 posted on 04/15/2012 7:18:45 PM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

The demoralization of our military by Obama. Very sad


2 posted on 04/15/2012 7:36:19 PM PDT by katiedidit1 ("This is one race of people for whom psychoanalysis is of no use whatsoever." the Irish)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Isn’t it touching that Kristof cares so deeply for these 6 - 7 thousand military folks who commit suicide yet cares not at all about the thousands and thousands of unborn his fellow lefties abort each year.


3 posted on 04/15/2012 7:50:31 PM PDT by Rembrandt (.. AND the donkey you rode in on.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

“A Veteran’s Death, the Nation’s Shame”

Wrong.

This nation’s shame is that Obama is the CIC. This nation’s shame is that the New York Times is still published. This nation’s shame is that Nicholas D. Kristof, Leftist scum, has any readership at all.


4 posted on 04/15/2012 7:51:16 PM PDT by smoothsailing
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
HERE’S a window into a tragedy within the American military

So Kristof is sympathetic to the military, and shows it by bashing it and portraying veterans as crazed or mentally ill killing machines?

(Disclaimer: I try to avoid clicking on links that go to the NY Times because I don't believe in financially supporting the enemy, so I have not actually read the entire article.)

5 posted on 04/15/2012 7:52:12 PM PDT by Zeppo ("Happy Pony is on - and I'm NOT missing Happy Pony")
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Prayers offered up.


6 posted on 04/15/2012 7:52:32 PM PDT by Ciexyz
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
...his mother says, and he terrified her by buying the same kind of gun he had carried in Iraq...

Somehow, I seriously doubt that it really was the same kind of gun.

The same sort of hysteria about veterans was published widely for years after of the Vietnam War. To see how accurate those accounts were, see the book "Stolen Valor" by B.G. Burkett. Same BS, different war.

7 posted on 04/15/2012 8:08:20 PM PDT by Bob
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

The Iraq wars and the Afghanistan war are taking a huge toll because of suicide. The problem is finding these guys and finding out why.

One thing they just found out is that the drug they were using for malaria, mefloquine, was causing mental problems in 1/3, 1/3, of the users.

The military just switched drugs.

I want to know if this drug stays in the system like LSD.

Suicide and depression can be treated, if you know anyone who needs help, call any of the phone numbers found at all the military branch sites.

So many of the vets at risk are in hiding. We need to find them.


8 posted on 04/15/2012 8:13:35 PM PDT by huldah1776
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To: Zeppo

The NYT article links to the article at the DoD website and that article mentions the recently released report at CNAS, so bypass all that and go to CNAS, Center for a New American Security.


9 posted on 04/15/2012 8:18:59 PM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: All

I hope someone, somewhere looks at the stats in this piece to see if they are accurate or not.


10 posted on 04/15/2012 8:24:34 PM PDT by PghBaldy (Obama is afraid if he needs to start a fight with Catholics. He's losing the women's vote!!!)
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To: PghBaldy
From a few years back:

http://archive.redstate.com/stories/war/a_suicide_epidemic_among_veterans

The Army Suicide Event Report, which tracks suicide attempts and completions and the factors involved, showed that in 2006 there were 99 suicides within the Army, 30 of which occurred in Iraq or Afghanistan. This is an increase from 87 suicides in 2005 and 67 in 2004. According to the report, the Army’s suicide rate for 2006 was 17.3 suicides per 100,000 soldiers. This compares to the overall U.S. population rate, for the same age and gender group, of roughly 19 suicides per 100,000 people.

http://www.defense.gov/news/newsarticle.aspx?id=47074

IF THIS DOD report was correct, then I have a VERY hard time accepting Kristof's numbers, unless I shouldn't be comparing the numbers I am.

11 posted on 04/15/2012 8:35:30 PM PDT by PghBaldy (Obama is afraid if he needs to start a fight with Catholics. He's losing the women's vote!!!)
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To: PghBaldy

OK- who are these veterans they are talking about? The implication is they are WOT vets, but I don’t buy it. I think they may be including anyone whoever served, which is probably much older and sicker physically than average WOT vets. Are they including elderly vets of war decades ago who may be killing themselves? I don’t buy the numbers, and I despise the phony compassion from leftists like Kristof.


12 posted on 04/15/2012 8:44:31 PM PDT by PghBaldy (Obama is afraid if he needs to start a fight with Catholics. He's losing the women's vote!!!)
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To: katiedidit1
Don't kid yourself. It started under Bush...and continues under Obama.
13 posted on 04/15/2012 9:17:50 PM PDT by starlifter (Pullum sapit)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
More than 6,500 veteran suicides are logged every year

Horse manure.

14 posted on 04/15/2012 9:22:02 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: starlifter

I know. I remember when Bush 41 tossed some of the guys out after they came home from Desert Storm. Clinton was a disgrace and both of the Bush’s share the blame for the treatment of our veterans.


15 posted on 04/15/2012 10:03:35 PM PDT by katiedidit1 ("This is one race of people for whom psychoanalysis is of no use whatsoever." the Irish)
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To: Zeppo
The police tried to get care for him, but a V.A. hospital reportedly said it couldn't’t accept him until morning. The young man didn't’t go in, and after a series of other missed opportunities to get treatment, he stepped in front of a train and killed himself.

I call Bravo Sierra on the above post. I have worked in a VA hospital for 25 years. If a vet comes into our hospital ER with the symptoms describe he will immediately be considered a risk to himself or others. He will be immediately admitted and given care.

16 posted on 04/15/2012 10:29:38 PM PDT by cpdiii (Deckhand, Roughneck, Mud Man, Geologist, Pilot, Pharmacist. THE CONSTITUTION IS WORTH DYING FOR!)
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To: huldah1776
One thing they just found out is that the drug they were using for malaria, mefloquine, was causing mental problems in 1/3, 1/3, of the users.

I took the same drug for years in Nigeria. I call Bravo Sierra on the above post.

17 posted on 04/15/2012 10:35:29 PM PDT by cpdiii (Deckhand, Roughneck, Mud Man, Geologist, Pilot, Pharmacist. THE CONSTITUTION IS WORTH DYING FOR!)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
The figures in this story come from the Center for a New American Security, a left of center think tank which is a favorite with the Obama Administration.

From VETERANS TODAY Website:

“The VA estimates that about 18 veterans commit suicide every day, but this statistic is based on limited data. Only 16 states submit the cause of death among veterans and the VA relies on 3-year-old data for its reports.”

More often than not Kristof and the Times are full of sh*t. So is the Army Times which is owned by Gannett.

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/11/02/a-veteran-commits-suicide-every-80-minutes/

18 posted on 04/16/2012 12:44:51 AM PDT by Brad from Tennessee (A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.)
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To: Brad from Tennessee

“Army Times which is owned by Gannett” Thanks Brad. Was not aware of that very relevant item.


19 posted on 04/16/2012 4:02:14 AM PDT by Pat4ever
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To: Pat4ever
Gannett Government Media, a Gannett owned company publishes Army Times, Navy Times, Marine Corps Times, Air Force Times, Defense News, Federal Times and C4ISR, TSJ, AFJ.
20 posted on 04/16/2012 5:13:57 AM PDT by Brad from Tennessee (A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

They pulled this same crap regarding Vietman. According to their so-called figures there are none of us left. We’ve all killed ourselves.


21 posted on 04/16/2012 5:52:37 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: katiedidit1

Hate to break it to you but this problem has been going on far longer than when Obama was in office. Dubya bears the lion’s share of the blame for this issue to say nothing of the MRAP scandal, FOB burn pits, the body armor debacle and of course the Walter Reed disgrace.


22 posted on 04/16/2012 3:21:43 PM PDT by KantianBurke (Where was the Tea Party when Dubya was spending like a drunken sailor?)
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To: katiedidit1
I remember when Bush 41 tossed some of the guys out after they came home from Desert Storm.

That's a very vague statement, care to elaborate?

23 posted on 04/16/2012 3:26:32 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (Would I like to be young again? No, I worked too hard to get here, I don't want to do it again)
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To: Hot Tabasco

My son in law was in the marines and served in Desert Storm. When a bunch of them came home to Camp LeJuene they were opted out faster than your head could spin. Thank you for your service now..get out


24 posted on 04/16/2012 3:32:15 PM PDT by katiedidit1 ("This is one race of people for whom psychoanalysis is of no use whatsoever." the Irish)
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To: KantianBurke

That is true. The one thing I credit Bush 43 with is going to see the troops at Thanksgiving against the wishes of his security staff. Obama never goes and when Panetta goes..they have to disarm.
We can go way back and remember the way our military has been treated by elected officials but the suicide rate has increased under Obama’s watch ..it was bad before than but worse now


25 posted on 04/16/2012 3:35:30 PM PDT by katiedidit1 ("This is one race of people for whom psychoanalysis is of no use whatsoever." the Irish)
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To: katiedidit1
When a bunch of them came home to Camp LeJuene they were opted out faster than your head could spin. Thank you for your service now..get out

You're still not making any sense here, please expand on your comment.........

and no, I'm not getting out until you fully explain what the heck you are trying to imply here. Why is that so difficult for you?

26 posted on 04/16/2012 3:38:35 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (Would I like to be young again? No, I worked too hard to get here, I don't want to do it again)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

“He said he slept with his gun over there, and he needed it here,”

Doesn’t everyone?
I’d buy an M-14 but they are pricey
and they won’t sell me claymores.


27 posted on 04/16/2012 3:45:31 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: katiedidit1

“The one thing I credit Bush 43 with is going to see the troops at Thanksgiving against the wishes of his security staff.”

Sheesh, talk about damning with faint praise. So the troops are deployed to a war zone without proper safety equipment, they are deliberately denied use of secure vehicles, they’re poisoned through the burn pits and then are shortchanged mental & health care upon return. But Dumbo Dubya took a little joyride over on Air Force One for some undetermined Thanksgiving during his eight year reign of error to mingle so everything is cool?

“the suicide rate has increased under Obama’s watch ..it was bad before than but worse now”

Source please.


28 posted on 04/16/2012 4:49:05 PM PDT by KantianBurke (Where was the Tea Party when Dubya was spending like a drunken sailor?)
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To: Brad from Tennessee

You just saved me some $$. Won’t be buying them again, and suddenly things become more clear too. Salute!


29 posted on 04/16/2012 5:14:34 PM PDT by Pat4ever
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To: Hot Tabasco

If you are on this site to fight..find someone else. I told you that my son in law was in the marines and served in desert storm. He returned home expecting to finish a few more months of his time..but a group of them were opted out early and not by choice. OK??????????????? and I stand by my statement that I do credit President Bush 43 for going into Iraq to meet with the troops more than Obama or Clinton did...clear enough?
Also, it is very sad that the suicide rate has gone UP during O’s watch. It was bad enough before but it is higher now...so shut the hell up..I have no more to say to you


30 posted on 04/16/2012 5:20:56 PM PDT by katiedidit1 ("This is one race of people for whom psychoanalysis is of no use whatsoever." the Irish)
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To: katiedidit1
a group of them were opted out early and not by choice. so shut the hell up..I have no more to say to you

I'm not going to "shut the hell up" as you demand, until you explain to us exactly what you mean by "opted out early, and not by choice".......

I have twice asked you to explain yourself and all I have gotten in response is to "go away" and "shut the hell up"....You seem to have a very bad attitude about his ma'am, as well as a reluctance to explain your very vague comments. Now why is that?

31 posted on 04/16/2012 5:54:51 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (Would I like to be young again? No, I worked too hard to get here, I don't want to do it again)
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