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There Is Still Time (or Don't Let Newt Down)
Vanity | April 15, 2012 | True Believer Forever

Posted on 04/15/2012 8:39:45 PM PDT by true believer forever

While everyone is in the weeds counting delegates and wondering who Santorum will endorse (it will be Romney), few people are talking about the degree to which the GOP will be emboldened if Romney gets the nomination. It will be a sign to them they can get the evangelical, social and fiscal conservatives to fall in line, all they have to do is wait them out.

A few days ago, Mark Levin said he was disgusted with the Republican establishment, right after he said, 'we conservatives have to work together to pull out a victory for Mitt Romney’, just one of the presumed conservatives who have fallen in line with the GOP this past week. Establishment Republicans now know without a doubt that the base, its leaders and luminaries, can get to the point of total disgust with the GOP, and they will still fall in line.

Last cycle, Huckabee helped split the conservative vote, and make a path for the squishy one. This time it's Romney in the it’s my turn circle… Next year it will be Santorum. And Santorum will be sufficiently and properly neutered if he gets his turn next, count on it.

And where is last cycle’s Santorum, Mike Huckabee, who played the evangelicals big time in 2008, right now? Hosting a radio show competing with Rush.

We are at the breach, and there is still time, though barely. If people like Levin, DeMint, Sarah, etc., would jump in now – and they won’t – grab this moment, secure it and swing it back full bore at the GOP, the King Georgers would get a message loud and clear, they can't take the base for granted. And maybe the next time they think about trying their Karl Rove Gambit, they won't.

We can't look for help or expect anyone with power to give us a hand. We can either stand up and get in the battle, or hand the GOP another reward, a compliant conservative base, whom the GOP already despises and take for granted.

"The only thing holding us back right now is intimidation over the giants we face. They are not bigger than we are if we stand together." ~ butterdezillion


TOPICS: Editorial; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Georgia
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To: reasonisfaith
A man and a woman were on a plane, having just met. The conversation went well, and after a time the man propositioned the woman for one million dollars. The woman was shocked, and said nothing.

But later on, as the flight was coming to an end, the woman said to the man, “Are you serious—one million dollars?” To which the man replied “Yes.” So the woman agree.

Just then the man said to her, “That’s good. But you’ll have to forgive me, I don’t really have a million dollars. So will you take ten dollars instead?”

The woman was outraged. “Just what do you think I am!” The man answered “That has already been established. We are only haggling over the price.”

Okay, that explains the negotiations. But does that mean they never believed what they said they believed?

51 posted on 04/15/2012 9:57:23 PM PDT by true believer forever (GO NEWT! On to Tampa - hang tight - we can do this!!)
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To: reasonisfaith
So we all have a price.

Maybe and maybe not. So what should we do? Take our ball and go home? I'm willing to put aside Newt's "baggage" for the sake of our country. His personal problems will not cause divorce...that's already happening without help from him!

We absolutely need someone with experience, facts and fearlessness to stand against Obama. My reliable insight tells me that Gingrich has the best chance of making BO a one-term president.

(I was quite surprised to learn, in the last few months, that my savvy sister-in-law completely agrees with me, as does my youngest brother.)

52 posted on 04/15/2012 10:00:02 PM PDT by IIntense
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To: Slings and Arrows
I am praying for a miracle. If I don’t get it (and I probably won’t), I have no idea what I will do in November.

Well, November is a ways away... for now you could do what a lot of us are doing, mix your prayers with faith and action, and your very best, and let God do the rest!

My Amen to all your prayers.

53 posted on 04/15/2012 10:07:20 PM PDT by true believer forever (GO NEWT! On to Tampa - hang tight - we can do this!!)
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To: butterdezillion

The thing is, butterdezillion, if the base wanted him to be the nominee, then he would be.

It’s very hard for me to see what happened to Newt, but something definitely happened. As smart as he is, he was unable to convince a large portion of GOP voters that he would make the best candidate for president.

Replacing a weak candidate who still doesn’t have enough delegates with another weak candidate who has even less delegates is a risky move IMO.

The sad fact is that the GOP is not producing conservative leaders and neither is America for that matter. What we are producing is debt, communists, homosexuals, racists and criminals.


54 posted on 04/15/2012 10:10:54 PM PDT by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: Marguerite
I think you’d be interested by this comparative analysis:

Newt Gingrich vs. Mitt Romney; Comparing Conservative ‘Products of Work’

http://gulagbound.com/25637/newt-gingrich-vs-mitt-romney-comparing-conservative-products-of-work/

Wow! There's a lot there to chew on... I copied the link, and this time won't lose it! :)

I don't think Newt is going after Romney voters though, everybody else, but not specifically them...

55 posted on 04/15/2012 10:16:50 PM PDT by true believer forever (GO NEWT! On to Tampa - hang tight - we can do this!!)
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To: chris37
Levin has always stated that he will support whomever the GOP nominee is with vigor.

A bit early in the contest for that, don't you think? He's already rolled for Romney before he's won the nomination. That's a pure and simple case of throwing in with the devil, my friend. Levin has sold out.

56 posted on 04/15/2012 10:23:10 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: true believer forever

How can any true conservative vote for this weathercock???

A Mitt Romney Abortion Timeline:

Romney in 1994: I support Roe v. Wade
http://youtu.be/NVnPzXAE7ow
Romney in 2002: “Unequivocally” pro-choice
http://youtu.be/m7-hmjlr7tk
Romney in 2005: I’m pro-life but will maintain the pro-choice status quo
http://youtu.be/Pt3yoSiwERo
Romney in 2007: I’d be “delighted” to sign a bill banning abortion across the country
http://youtu.be/uVjMQj3fMYQ
Romney in 2008: Return abortion to the states
http://youtu.be/4a3YJWW7Vsk


57 posted on 04/15/2012 10:30:09 PM PDT by Marguerite (When I'm good, I am very, very good. But! When I'm bad, I'm even better)
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To: Marguerite

How can any true conservative vote for this weathercock???

A Mitt Romney Abortion Timeline:

Romney in 1994: I support Roe v. Wade
http://youtu.be/NVnPzXAE7ow
Romney in 2002: “Unequivocally” pro-choice
http://youtu.be/m7-hmjlr7tk
Romney in 2005: I’m pro-life but will maintain the pro-choice status quo
http://youtu.be/Pt3yoSiwERo
Romney in 2007: I’d be “delighted” to sign a bill banning abortion across the country
http://youtu.be/uVjMQj3fMYQ
Romney in 2008: Return abortion to the states
http://youtu.be/4a3YJWW7Vsk


Q: Which Romney will show up in the Oval Office?

A: None of them. Newt will be there!

pretty lame, but you know what I mean :)


58 posted on 04/15/2012 10:37:56 PM PDT by true believer forever (GO NEWT! On to Tampa - hang tight - we can do this!!)
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To: Windflier

I don’t know if it’s too early or not, windflier.

It definitely looks to me like Romney is going to get it.

We could fight this out until August, or even after, and gives ourselves a good one to two months to attack Obama.

What is more important in this race, true conservatism or true communism?

I’ll tell you this much, we aren’t ever going to get true conservatism from the GOP, ever. We are definitely going to get true communism from Obama II.

Levin has always said that he would vote for an orange juice can over Obama, so we can maybe get Beck to make up some T-shirts that say-

Mitt Romney, he’s as good as an orange juice can...

Although I personally think an orange juice can would be infinitely superior to a Mitt Romney presidency.

And to those who say a Mitt Romney presidency would destroy the GOP, I say nonsense, the GOP is already dead, and America herself has got about 5 minutes tops.


59 posted on 04/15/2012 10:41:49 PM PDT by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: true believer forever

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/as-governor-romney-worked-to-reassure-liberals/2011/11/02/gIQAookxgM_story.html?sub=AR

As governor, Romney worked to reassure liberals

“Mitt Romney was firm and direct with the abortion rights advocates sitting in his office nine years ago, assuring the group that if elected Massachusetts governor, he would protect the state’s abortion laws.

Then, as the meeting drew to a close, the businessman offered an intriguing suggestion — that he would rise to national prominence in the Republican Party as a victor in a liberal state and could use his influence to soften the GOP’s hard-line opposition to abortion.

He would be a “good voice in the party” for their cause, and his moderation on the issue would be “widely written about,” he said, according to detailed notes taken by an officer of the group, NARAL Pro-Choice Massachusetts.

“You need someone like me in Washington,” several participants recalled Romney saying that day in September 2002, an apparent reference to his future ambitions.

Romney made similar assurances to activists for gay rights and the environment, according to people familiar with the discussions, both as a candidate for governor and then in the early days of his term.”


60 posted on 04/15/2012 11:02:51 PM PDT by Marguerite (When I'm good, I am very, very good. But! When I'm bad, I'm even better)
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To: JediJones

You have serious problems if you think this was a good batch of candidates. They weren’t.


61 posted on 04/15/2012 11:04:50 PM PDT by stuck_in_new_orleans
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To: true believer forever
Cain, one of Newt's endorsers has said he would support Romney...

That was overhyped by another false "Politicrap" headline. He didn't say anything different than Palin or Newt himself has said about supporting the eventual nominee.

62 posted on 04/15/2012 11:24:22 PM PDT by JediJones (From the makers of Romney, Bloomberg/Schwarzenegger 2016. Because the GOP can never go too far left.)
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To: true believer forever

With Rick Santorum’s recent departure from the 2012 presidential sweepstakes, the Republican establishment — aided and abetted by self-identified “conservative” voters — has just ensured the re-election of Barack Obama.

That’s a view widely held by real conservatives, not just my own view.

The GOP now fields one of the most disliked, ruthlessly ambitious, untruthful, problematic candidates for president in recent memory. Never before in modern history has a Republican presidential candidate been so overtly manipulative of the political process, or of the public mind, than Mitt Romney. (You’d have to revisit Obama’s media-driven, illusion-based 2008 Democratic candidacy to see something comparable). As a result, rarely has the Republican base been left with so unpopular a choice.

http://www.renewamerica.com/romney_mccain.htm


63 posted on 04/16/2012 12:12:41 AM PDT by matthew fuller (The Magic Mormon is now in position to re-elect the Magic Negro- FOR LIFE!.)
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To: true believer forever
I wonder if Perry and Newt will be together today in Texas.

Newt Gingrich to hold forum in Richardson [Texas this Monday] “Former House Speaker and Republican presidential contender Newt Gingrich is scheduled to hold a public forum Monday in Richardson.

The meeting is set for 4 p.m. at Pappasito's Cantina, 723 Central Expressway. Space is limited and the audience will be part of a 30-mintue question and answer period.”……..

Three Years After Tea Party Rallies, Perry Presses On [skinning the budget monster - again] .........."The rallies have subsided, and the ideas of the Taxed Enough Already folks have been subsumed into the mainstream Republican Party. Perry is still working it, though. On Monday, he will unveil a financial pledge and challenge candidates in Texas to sign on, agreeing to oppose new taxes and tax increases, to cut "duplicative" programs and agencies in state government, and to push budget ideas that he has been touting for years, like requiring lawmakers to spend state revenue collected for specific programs on those programs, instead of diverting the money to other uses...........magine how it might work for someone with the power of public office. Perry can support or oppose Republicans in elections — a strong card to play with just six weeks left before the primaries. After the general election, lawmakers will walk into a legislative session where the guy with the pledges has veto power over their bills.".....

64 posted on 04/16/2012 12:39:12 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: true believer forever

Great post!


65 posted on 04/16/2012 2:47:44 AM PDT by livius
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To: chris37

The “base” isn’t determining this, and in fact, voter turn out in the primaries has been very poor. In some states, as we recall, Newt wasn’t even on the ballot. This was thanks to Romney’s money, which he had been busy spending lavishly since 2008, pretty much salting the earth for other candidates: look at all the endorsements he reaped from people to whom he had earlier given the odd $30,000 or so for their campaigns (I’m thinking of Marco Rubio).

Then of course, there was the press, which ridiculed him virtually from the start (and there’s nothing worse than ridicule).

Finally, don’t overlook the massive opposition to Newt among the pundits and opinion-makers of the base, people such as Ann Coulter, Rush Limbaugh, etc. It’s puzzling, and I honestly don’t understand their opposition to him, but that’s how it was.

So what’s remarkable is actually that he’s still standing and that he’s doing as well as he is.


66 posted on 04/16/2012 3:02:44 AM PDT by livius
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To: butterdezillion

“But he can’t threaten us little people. We will always be the fish bone that has the last laugh by getting stuck in his craw. He can’t threaten or bribe us all, and we are the ones who vote.”

Right. Soros will never be able to get to us. And his time on earth will soon come to an end.


67 posted on 04/16/2012 4:04:35 AM PDT by reasonisfaith (Why do you seek the living among the dead? (Luke 24:5))
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To: Ingtar

Santorum is a politician. He will do whatever he feels is best for his future career as a talking head/2016 candidate.


68 posted on 04/16/2012 4:14:49 AM PDT by visualops (artlife.us)
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To: true believer forever

I really didn’t want any of the GOP’s current candidates, but I listened to Newt’s NRA speech over the weekend and I think I might actually vote for him. I’m not thrilled with Newt, but there’s no way I’m voting for Romney.


69 posted on 04/16/2012 4:48:38 AM PDT by BuffaloJack (End Obama's War On Freedom.)
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To: hosepipe

Apparently to have a new conservative party, we need to destroy the GOP, unless Newt pulls off the political turnaround of the Century.


70 posted on 04/16/2012 5:13:06 AM PDT by Candor7 (Obama fascist info....http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html)
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To: true believer forever

Wow. That was really well-stated. And the very heart and center of where we’re at right now.

People NEED to know that Soros’ threats have been running the show since the run on the bank in Sept of 2008. That’s why both John Boehner and Mark Levin are spineless right now. It explains everything we see. I believe that run on the bank was a communist-Islamist alliance headed by George Soros, which deliberately made that run in order to get Obama elected - made necessary because Palin as VP had energized the conservative base and brought McCain into the lead. Having shown that alliance’s ability to commit profound economic terrorism on even an economy as large as ours, Soros had the weapon he needed in order to get the media companies to fear another run on the bank and thus tell their on-air personalities they would be fired and possibly killed if they allowed Obama’s eligibility problem to be exposed - rather than simply reporting to Bush’s DOJ Soros’ direct threats against them. (I have good reasons to believe this happened but won’t go into it now because it’s too much).

From that point on, Soros has been running the show. The only reason Fox or any of the talk radio shows have any conservative stuff at all is to hide that Soros took control. Just like Saddam needed the supposed integrity of CNN in order to make his own propaganda (parrotted by CNN) seem more credible - Soros needed the on-air entities to appear to not be hostage. To say, “My non-captors are treating me well...”

That the media companies were threatened has been verified by Mike Zullo, lead investigator of Sheriff Joe’s Cold Case Posse. And the threat was serious - since staffers who had been threatened by their own company quit their jobs and/or left the country to try to stay safe. The producer of “We Will Not Be Silenced” has said Hillary supporters faced death threats, that Bill and Hillary were silenced on the eligibility issue by the strategically-timed assassination of a close friend, and the Hillary supporters were kept from presenting a petition at the DNC convention by the death of the person who had just days earlier agreed to present the petition. So we’re talking serious criminal activity. And I don’t for one moment believe it to be “coincidence” that Andrew Breitbart hit the ground dead just 4-5 hours after hearing Arpaio’s evidence and saying it was good AND Rush Limbaugh received a bomb scare - both on the very day that Arpaio presented probable cause for forgery and fraud involving Obama’s BC and draft registration.

So there is no question that Soros is dictating what these people say. And it is no secret that the communists have been engaging in demoralization techniques for decades. Yuri Bezmenov, former KGB agent, has revealed how that is done and it’s exactly what we have here with the “conservatives” betraying us and leaving us feeling isolated, dejected, and hopeless right when we VERY MUCH CAN turn this thing around if we suck it up and charge forward.

At any time Soros could have told Levin he had to support Romney. The fact that he has done it now says that Soros knows we can do this. Like I said before, we are receiving flak because we are over the target. We are so over the target that Soros has taken ALL the conservatives hostage in order to shut us up.

Levin’s comments should galvanize us. Soros knows he’s in a serious fight.


71 posted on 04/16/2012 5:39:51 AM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: chris37

I don’t think Obama can control our military, if things get as bad as you are suggesting.


72 posted on 04/16/2012 5:44:46 AM PDT by reasonisfaith (Why do you seek the living among the dead? (Luke 24:5))
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To: chris37

The base was split between him and Santorum. This is the first point at which it’s actually conservative v LIBERAL rather than conservative v conservative.

As a case in point, I have been agnostic between the two until now. I hadn’t even entered the fray between those 2. Don’t count out people like me who were WAITING to see who to support most effectively.


73 posted on 04/16/2012 5:45:58 AM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: chris37

Something else to think about. Communism has taken hold in countries, many times in the past.

But it has never done what it’s trying to do in our country. Everything is new ground for them, in this attempt to destroy us. They have never successfully overthrown a nation like the United States.

I believe that in the end, they won’t be able to overcome the people or the military.


74 posted on 04/16/2012 5:50:19 AM PDT by reasonisfaith (Why do you seek the living among the dead? (Luke 24:5))
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To: true believer forever

I know that what I said probably sounds crazy to somebody who hasn’t followed the particular claims I’ve made. Hitler’s propaganda minister, Josef Goebbels, said that people will believe a big lie before a little one, and I now know part of that is because people can’t wrap their minds around something so big. There’s so much documentation that would have to prove something big, and people don’t have the attention span for it. Soros knows that too, which is why he shells this country with one mega-bomb after another. By the time the truth gets its shoes tied on one big coup attempt, the lie has already traveled around the world and been heard by the people who let the media do all their thinking, and Soros has already done another coup that’s even worse. This is a deliberate shelling to keep the general public from accurately processing anything - because you simply can’t do that in 30-second sound bytes each hour during the work day, which may be the max that most people get.

Anyway...

Regarding Soros and a communist-Islamist alliance working together to make the Sept 2008 run on the bank - I’ve got a bunch of reasons I suspected this, and it turns out I’ve got good company. Read the thread at http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2871569/posts

Regarding Soros’ threats on the media, a starting place (with lots more links) is at http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/2868290/posts?page=22#22

Regarding Soros’ threats on the Hillary supporters: http://www.wnd.com/2012/04/hillary-supporters-untold-obama-horror-stories/ Also see thread and source at http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2867307/posts


75 posted on 04/16/2012 8:00:45 AM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: livius

Listen, if the base wanted to turn out, then it could have turned out. No one is forcing anyone to stay home.

If he wasn’t on the ballot, it’s because he failed to get on the ballot. If you want to win the nomination for president, you have to win primaries and in order to do that, you have to be on the ballot. He is smart enough to know that.

Had Newt, Perry, Santorum et al been on the ballot, I do no think they would have been removed from the ballot, so they all need to look at themselves on that one.

The press is going to ridicule anyone that isn’t a communist and that is all there is to it.

I’ve never heard Rush say anything particualry harsh against Newt or anyone else for that matter. He isn’t supporting anyone in this primary and he has stated so numerous times. Ann Coulter is a babbling idiot, and personally I don’t think anyone should listen to her.

I will agree that it is remarkable that he hasn’t dropped yet, but it’s kinda pointless now, and a lot of people are saying that he appears arrogant in not dropping out, but I don’t know.

I voted for Newt, but I am also a realist. He failed in convincing enough people that he should be a leader, and as a result, he is not likely to be a leader. There is no point in making excuses for him, he failed to connect thus he was passed over, and that is the history of this.


76 posted on 04/16/2012 8:49:08 AM PDT by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: butterdezillion

Yep it was split, and that was done on purpose I believe. Split the conservative vote 4 ways, then there is the nut Ron Paul who will hopefully run again when he is 82 /s, and he never gets anything. The rest goes to Romney, and he gets the nod.

I don’t have any doubt this was done on purpose by the GOP, because the only thing the GOP can engineer a defeat on is itself, and it has done exactly that.


77 posted on 04/16/2012 8:55:40 AM PDT by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: reasonisfaith

I really hope you are right.

Because they will never stop trying.

And almost no one on our side is even aware of what’s going on.

Either that or they do not care.


78 posted on 04/16/2012 8:57:05 AM PDT by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: Candor7

Then you are no conservative.


79 posted on 04/16/2012 8:59:33 AM PDT by Velveeta (ABO)
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To: Candor7

Then you are no conservative.


80 posted on 04/16/2012 8:59:43 AM PDT by Velveeta (ABO)
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To: true believer forever
few people are talking about the degree to which the GOP will be emboldened if Romney gets the nomination. It will be a sign to them they can get the evangelical, social and fiscal conservatives to fall in line, all they have to do is wait them out.

Heck Karl Rove already stated that the conservatives will have a temper tantrum over romney but they'll get in line just the same. They already "know"...there's no wait to it in their minds. They've been here before...nothings changed from their perspective.

81 posted on 04/16/2012 9:19:57 AM PDT by caww
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To: true believer forever
From what I've been told Santorum will endorse Romney, and boy do I hope that is wrong... My point was if Newt is gaining NEW support and, along with that, picks up 50% of Santorum, that would great... much better than where he is now...

Of course Santorum will support Romney. Whatever move he needs to make to secure his political ambitions and remain within the Washington loop. We knew that when he refused to drop out when Newt had the ball...in fact many of us knew he was simply the Gop's and medias alternative to Newt...they played the SAntorum hand and it was a win for them and a win For SAntorum....

82 posted on 04/16/2012 9:26:27 AM PDT by caww
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To: butterdezillion
Iknow that what I said probably sounds crazy to somebody who hasn’t followed the particular claims I’ve made. Hitler’s propaganda minister, Josef Goebbels, said that people will believe a big lie before a little one, and I now know part of that is because people can’t wrap their minds around something so big. There’s so much documentation that would have to prove something big, and people don’t have the attention span for it. Soros knows that too, which is why he shells this country with one mega-bomb after another. By the time the truth gets its shoes tied on one big coup attempt, the lie has already traveled around the world and been heard by the people who let the media do all their thinking, and Soros has already done another coup that’s even worse. This is a deliberate shelling to keep the general public from accurately processing anything - because you simply can’t do that in 30-second sound bytes each hour during the work day, which may be the max that most people get.

Anyway...

Regarding Soros and a communist-Islamist alliance working together to make the Sept 2008 run on the bank - I’ve got a bunch of reasons I suspected this, and it turns out I’ve got good company. Read the thread at

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2871569/posts

Regarding Soros’ threats on the media, a starting place (with lots more links) is at:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/2868290/posts?page=22#22

Regarding Soros’ threats on the Hillary supporters:

http://www.wnd.com/2012/04/hillary-supporters-untold-obama-horror-stories/

Also see thread and source at:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2867307/posts

No, don't apologize for what you believe, especially if you have researched it to your satisfaction..

I would say I agree with about half of what you said, some of it I am ignorant of totally...

And even though I think Glenn Beck has gone mental, some of the stuff he was saying, that has been proven true, just shows that the most outlandish things have truth in them to a certain degree or other, with some totally true..

I especially, though, agree with the financial collapse. Adn I read something very interesting once, how obama and the dems bullied their way in and took over the whole situation before he was even elected, because the repubs and dems both knew he would be.. and convinced W likewise.

That is where I think a major scandal is waiting for a future pulitzer prize winner...

with this election, there is just no time to follow up on that stuff - for me, at least - but you should keep posting stuff when you find it... it needs to be heard. People can make their own judgments.

STAY STRONG!!

83 posted on 04/16/2012 9:32:09 AM PDT by true believer forever (GO NEWT! On to Tampa - hang tight - we can do this!!)
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To: caww
Of course Santorum will support Romney. Whatever move he needs to make to secure his political ambitions and remain within the Washington loop. We knew that when he refused to drop out when Newt had the ball...in fact many of us knew he was simply the Gop's and medias alternative to Newt...they played the SAntorum hand and it was a win for them and a win For SAntorum....

RE: "We knew that when he refused to drop out when Newt had the ball..."

Well, I didn't. I mean, I thought he had some principles, but the Santorum supporters I know, very hardcore, are really angry with him for quitting... and when they tell me about their anger... I try to be all I'm so sorry, and then remind them gently about when he said about pledging his life his fortune and his sacred honor... and a little later in the conversation, how he said one of the reasons he said he got out was 'he didn't like the amount of debt he was collecting'...

There was actually an article on Newsmax yesterday, with one of the evangelical leaders, a Santorum supporter, saying they should have backed Newt.

So there is a little light there...

SANTORUM - Mission Accomplished.

84 posted on 04/16/2012 9:40:35 AM PDT by true believer forever (GO NEWT! On to Tampa - hang tight - we can do this!!)
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To: BuffaloJack
I really didn’t want any of the GOP’s current candidates, but I listened to Newt’s NRA speech over the weekend and I think I might actually vote for him. I’m not thrilled with Newt, but there’s no way I’m voting for Romney.

I don't know whether you know it or not, but you have really hit on the heart of the matter... if people can just be brought to sitting down and listening to Newt, they almost always come away impressed, and considering supporting him, and after another 2 or 3 sit-downs they are convinced. That is why the media continues the Newt blackout.

Even grudging supporters like you are welcome :)

Thanks for having an open mind. Got friends who might vote for Newt? :)

85 posted on 04/16/2012 9:47:30 AM PDT by true believer forever (GO NEWT! On to Tampa - hang tight - we can do this!!)
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To: chris37

The reason Newt didn’t get on the ballot in Virginia is because the VA GOP workers decided they would require petitioners to also provide their ADDRESS. Only they didn’t tell anybody that. So they ended up throwing out enough petitioners that Newt and Santorum didn’t make it on the ballot. The Mitt and Ron Paul petitioners never got checked for addresses because the VA GOP head set an arbitrary “grace margin” - a certain number of excess signatures that would supposedly guarantee that the candidate had enough valid ones even if there was fraud. And Ron Paul and Mitt Romney had enough signatures that they fit into that grace margin.

IOW, as long as they had ENOUGH Mickey Mouse signatures on the petitions, the signatures on the petitions for that candidate would never be checked for validity. Newt and Santorum just missed that number (aw, shucks), Romney and Ron Paul just exceeded that number (imagine that), so Newt and Santorum’s signatures were checked and excluded because they didn’t have addresses provided - which was an extra requirement (not provided for by state law) that the VA GOP just sort of tacked on there without telling anybody. If there had been enough with addresses, they would have required mother’s maiden name, height and weight, or some other nonsense - whatever their whims told them because God knows nobody has to know what the rules are before the rules apply...

And now you know why I believe the GOPe is just as criminal as the DNC. There is foul play all over the place - some of it in plain sight like this, where the GOPe apparently has no fear of any consequences (which should tell us what else they are capable of...)

I’ve been talking a lot about lawlessness. Well, the GOPe speaks mobster language just like the dems do...


86 posted on 04/16/2012 9:53:52 AM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: true believer forever

I’ve got enough stuff I could probably convince you on most of it, but as you and I both said, there’s just not time to go into that kind of detail at the moment. That’s why big lies work. Small lies are what people can fit in between work and family and feel confident that they’ve adequately processed the evidence.

Deciding where best to focus attention is tough when there’s so much critical stuff and time is running out on getting a conservative nominated. I’m praying for wisdom, for all of us. And thanking God that we’ve got a bunch of us so we can all take one part and do what we can.

Let’s roll.


87 posted on 04/16/2012 9:59:35 AM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: JediJones
That was overhyped by another false "Politicrap" headline. He didn't say anything different than Palin or Newt himself has said about supporting the eventual nominee.

Yeah, but the way he did it -- most of Newt's backers say something really noncommital or totally supportive, like Newt will be the nominee, so I can't see answering your question... I think my thinking is probably skewed because I don't believe Cain is really supporting Newt, just using him.

88 posted on 04/16/2012 10:21:31 AM PDT by true believer forever (GO NEWT! On to Tampa - hang tight - we can do this!!)
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To: butterdezillion

Oh, I definitely agree that the GOP is criminal. I’m not even going to bother to distinguish the GOP-e, the whole thing sucks.

I don’t have any doubt that nonsense occurred in Virginia. However, dirty tricks should be anticipated. This should not happen to any candidate again in the future. Make sure you got more than what you need, especially if you are conservative, otherwise the GOP will toss you right out.

It should be well known now that the GOP is the enemy of conservatives and the Tea Party, and it is the friend of democrats. Everyone must now know this, including us, all rank and file, anyone running under their header, anyone making donations, anything of the sort.

The GOP is not only part of the problem, it is a HUGE part, and I’m done with it November 3, 2012 12:00:01 am


89 posted on 04/16/2012 10:22:43 AM PDT by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: chris37

Whatever you’ve got, the GOP can make sure that what is required is one piece more than that. It’s the same process that was used in the FL election in 2000. As long as the rules get to change as you go along, the people who make the rules can always make sure they get the outcome they want.

Newt being stiffed means he knows the crap that’s being done. One more reason the GOPe is scared of him.

One more reason I want him fighting for me. And for this country.

Rush has talked about Hilary Rosen being told by the DNC to attack Ann Romney, and is suggesting that the plan backfired on them. I think the plan did exactly what it was supposed to do: it provided a reason for conservatives to solidify behind Romney, to defend his poor little wife. The DNC didn’t need to get liberal women to despise stay-at-home moms; they’ve already showed their cravenness in their response to Sarah Palin just because she had 5 kids including a Downs Syndrome son. The DNC needed to get CONSERVATIVE women to think that Ann Romney is their standard-bearer. Right at the time when real conservatives were having to decide how to respond to Santorum’s departure - whether to continue the resistance to Romney, or to give in. The DNC wanted the Rosen comments to become viral, knowing that the best way to unite a country/movement is by having it at war/attacked. So they attacked Ann Romney the stay-at-home mom, knowing that conservative women would want to come to her defense.


90 posted on 04/16/2012 10:36:55 AM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: chris37

Neither Gingrich nor anybody else with a day job realized the aggressiveness of Romney or how much he wanted the nomination and how much advance planning he had done. Santorum did, but since he didn’t have a day job either, he could afford to go and spend a couple of years canvassing the Midwest.

That was what enabled Santorum to get his early win, along with the fact that most GOP voters are not fiscal or political conservatives but social conservatives, and he was the one who decided that this would be his pitch (even though both Perry and Gingrich had longer track records as social conservatives). However, in the long run, Santorum and Romney shared the same big-government ideas, so while he may have forced Romney to make more socially conservative statements, his voters were voting only on that one basis and actually weren’t looking for a political or fiscal conservative.

So therein lies the problem. The fact is that GOP voters are little different from Dem voters; the soccer mom may want somebody who’s not a raving pro-abortionist, but she also wants a big-government “compassionate conservative.”

Whenever people got to hear Newt, they loved him. But he had no infrastructure here in Florida - even though thousands of people turned up for his talks and cheered all the way through, as opposed to hundreds at best for Romney’s talks (with no cheering!), you couldn’t even get yard signs for him. Romney, in the meanwhile (and Paul, oddly enough, who was very popular here), had been busy distributing yard signs for nearly a year in advance.

Should Gingrich have been ready for this? Probably, and in addition, I was not impressed by the people I met on his campaign, so he probably should have spent more time working on his infrastructure.

However, the fact that the “front runners” started finding ways to avoid debating him, and the fact that the press practically locked him out after he challenged them in SC, shows that they were aware of his campaign strategy, which was visibility, debates and ideas.

As for Rush, I attribute the first big anti-Gingrich wave to Rush’s stupid statements that Gingrich was anti-capitalist because he questioned Romney’s version of his past business history. Nowadays, Rush sometimes says things just to say them after a quick glance at a headline (or because he doesn’t hear a question very well and hasn’t understood it), but since the Dems and the GOP E were just looking for an excuse to get rid of the radical Gingrich, Rush gave them all the excuse they needed.

However, the fact that Gingrich is still in it shows that he still hopes to get a hearing. Remember, guys, this is about ideas and political track record, not about a candidates’s marital status, number of children, number of sick children, the physical appearance of his wife (as if anybody could be worse than Michelle!) or anything else.


91 posted on 04/16/2012 11:17:57 AM PDT by livius
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To: true believer forever

It was Newt who said he was pledging his life, his fortune and his sacred honor...maybe Santorum tried to copy that later, since people were really impressed when Newt said it, but because it was false in the case of Santorum, I guess it just didn’t have the same ring.

But I think the thing that this highlights is that social conservatives, which was the group Santorum was successful in winning, are not necessarily political or fiscal conservatives. They don’t seem to realize that these things are all of a piece, and if you give your economic and political life to the government, your social conservativism has also been surrendered into government hands.


92 posted on 04/16/2012 11:23:42 AM PDT by livius
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To: true believer forever

Thanks! Feel free to use it all you like :)


93 posted on 04/16/2012 11:34:13 AM PDT by publius321
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To: livius

Ah yes, I had forgotten about that anti-capitalist bit that occurred when he attacked Romney. I recall being angry about Newt saying those things myself.

I hadn’t considered supporting Newt by this time, I was still smarting over the destruction of Cain, so I criticized those comments myself, and it is possible that those comments did have some effect on his candidacy, but I cannot be sure.

By the time the FL primaries came around though, I softened my position on Newt realizing that none of our candidates are perfect, I had decidied that he had the best grasp of conservative ideas and should be nominated well before someone such as Romney.

Sadly, that was just about the time that all air left the Newt balloon.

Personally, I don’t care if he stays in or not. I’m going to vote for whomever the nominee is, as long as that person’s name is something other than Obama, my standards are not high any longer.

I don’t think we are going to win this, and I hope to High Heaven that I am dead wrong, but it really seems like the GOP does not have the answer to american communism, and it never will have it or anyone in it that will have it.

These communists are going to have to be defeated in the harshest possible manner such that anyone who even thinks of walking down this path anytime in the next 250 years will say Hell no, I ain’t walking down this path, did you see what happened to the last guys who tired this?

The GOP does not have the mettle, or anywhere even close to any mettle at all, to assist in such a necessary solution.


94 posted on 04/16/2012 11:36:57 AM PDT by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: true believer forever
There was actually an article on Newsmax yesterday, with one of the evangelical leaders, a Santorum supporter, saying they should have backed Newt.

Ugh. Depressing that they're just realizing this now. I believe the evangelical endorsements are the only reason Santorum won anything in this primary. Despite 7 months of campaigning in Iowa, his polls were flatlining until the last weekend before voting when he got the evangelical endorsement. I know in Florida the evangelicals in Texas had a real debate and Newt was a strong second choice. If they had backed Newt, it would have been all over for Romney. He would've got his liberal blue states and Mormon states and nothing else.

95 posted on 04/16/2012 11:45:39 AM PDT by JediJones (From the makers of Romney, Bloomberg/Schwarzenegger 2016. Because the GOP can never go too far left.)
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To: BuffaloJack

Check out http://electad.com They’ve been archiving all of the candidates’ speeches, interviews and ads. There are hours of recent Gingrich speeches there. The recent town hall in Delaware starts out with a brilliant discussion of his social security reform. Another great one was a month or two ago in Oklahoma...Oral Roberts University maybe?

This one from before the campaign is my favorite, Gingrich to Michigan: Change or Die:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nyi5JsYeY6E


96 posted on 04/16/2012 11:55:41 AM PDT by JediJones (From the makers of Romney, Bloomberg/Schwarzenegger 2016. Because the GOP can never go too far left.)
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To: BuffaloJack

Also, check out Newt’s NRA speech from LAST year. Another great one and he goes into a wonderful 10 minute history lesson on Washington’s Crossing to help explain the importance of the 2nd amendment.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_aMNzrPovu8


97 posted on 04/16/2012 12:03:05 PM PDT by JediJones (From the makers of Romney, Bloomberg/Schwarzenegger 2016. Because the GOP can never go too far left.)
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To: chris37

The bizarre thing was that Gingrich was defending capitalism as a productive economic system, but questioning Romney’s version of his business background. Romney was not in a productive business, the foundation of capitalism, but in a speculative financial business, which has its essential place but is a lot different from building a productive business, particularly since Romney seems to have gotten certain government breaks here and there along the line. Romney was trying to pretend that he was like his father, president of AMC, a captain of industry. However, even there he lied, because he said he decided not to “go into the auto plant like his father,” as if Daddy had been working on the line and not president of the company!

I never figured out whether Rush (a) misunderstood the message (which may not have been well presented; it was done by the PAC and not by Gingrich, although he approved it at a time when the consultants were telling him to be more aggressive and go on the attack) or (b) was just trying to be provocative, ala Neal Boortz. But whatever, it gave the liberal press and the GOP E talking points.

But leaving that aside, I don’t think it matters how many of us hold our noses and vote for Romney. I did that the last time around with McCain, and the problem is that it doesn’t work. There aren’t enough people who will vote for an imitation Dem (McCain/Romney) instead of a real Dem (Obama). The majority of the people - and there are more registered Dems than GOPers - will vote for the real Dem.

I have family members who can’t stand Obama because of his black power/Islamic nonsense and his obnoxious wife, but they’re going to vote for him because he’s got the unions in his pocket. Obama’s personal unpopularity is not going to matter. Unless we present an alternative to the Dems, people will vote for the real Dem instead of the imitation.

That said, I agree with you, I honestly don’t think the GOP has the guts or the brains to present an alternative to communism, whether soft communism or the harsher type (it will begin as the first and progress to the second).

I’m not feeling very hopeful, but I just gave another few bucks to the Gingrich campaign...newt.org...because I know that it’s not much, but I don’t want to feel that I didn’t try to do anything. I can’t believe so many people have just resigned themselves to letting our country be taken away and turned into almost the opposite of everything we have always held.

Seriously, this thought depresses me enormously every day.


98 posted on 04/16/2012 12:03:23 PM PDT by livius
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To: true believer forever

Newt said 3 minutes into this speech on Saturday that he got 6,000 donations since Santorum dropped out.

http://electad.com/videos/newt-gingrich-speaks-at-prosperitea-rally-in-greensboro-north-carolina-april-14-2012/


99 posted on 04/16/2012 12:08:32 PM PDT by JediJones (From the makers of Romney, Bloomberg/Schwarzenegger 2016. Because the GOP can never go too far left.)
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To: livius
The bizarre thing was that Gingrich was defending capitalism as a productive economic system, but questioning Romney’s version of his business background. Romney was not in a productive business, the foundation of capitalism, but in a speculative financial business, which has its essential place but is a lot different from building a productive business

Which is kind of hilarious because Eric Bolling just did that gas price special with Palin on FOX where his plan to bring down gas prices was to regulate speculation, make it more difficult and expensive for the financial people to speculate on oil contracts. Yet he was one of the guys claiming he was a rock-ribbed conservative who couldn't stand Newt's criticisms of "capitalism." Ah, but, in the course of the special, Bolling admitted that his suggestion would make it easier for the BIG Wall Street firms like Goldman Sachs to speculate on oil contracts, and only block out the smaller firms. Just more evidence that the Republican party elites and their media arms FOX News, Drudge, Coulter, most of RINO radio, are solidly in the back pockets of big Wall Street money from the likes of Goldman Sachs. It's only "attacking capitalism" if it hurts the deepest pockets on Wall Street. If it hurts the smaller businesses, it's just smart regulation.

100 posted on 04/16/2012 12:16:56 PM PDT by JediJones (From the makers of Romney, Bloomberg/Schwarzenegger 2016. Because the GOP can never go too far left.)
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