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The GOP is basically finished. Time to go the way of the Whigs. (Vanity)
4-16-12 | Mozillla

Posted on 04/16/2012 12:09:46 AM PDT by Mozilla

Basically the GOP is too divided to ever unite. There is a deep level of distrust and various factions want different things. People do not agree on whom the best candidates are anymore. Us Conservatives, like me, were all over the map as person after person fell apart in the presidential republican primary. Romney is the final nail in the coffin. Newt, to me, has no chance and he has his own baggage. He has a good message though, but it is too late to do much. I personally think it is time to just end the party.


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To: wastoute
Don’t feel too bad. 2008 was probably the last election that would have made a difference.

A Coup d'état was executed in 2008 and no one noticed. I stated before Jan 14th that this would be the last election that mattered, maybe even the last election.

101 posted on 04/16/2012 10:54:59 AM PDT by itsahoot (I will not vote for Romney period, and by election day you won't like him either.)
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To: SgtHooper
As much as I despise Romney, if he is what we are left with, he gets my vote.

If you vote for Romney you will always be doomed to get more Romney. I thank God for Romney. My eyes are opened.

102 posted on 04/16/2012 11:31:44 AM PDT by Theophilus (Not merely prolife, but prolific)
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To: stig
Any talk of staying home if Romney is the GOP pick is nonsense.

OK, care to take a poll and find out how many freepers are not voting for Romney, if he is on the ticket? Be sure and tell them they are all nonsensical.

103 posted on 04/16/2012 11:35:51 AM PDT by itsahoot (I will not vote for Romney period, and by election day you won't like him either.)
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To: gjones77
that reasoned logic doesn’t sit well with the more zealous ones here.

You managed to insult every conservative faction on this forum with this post. Are you sure you are on the right forum?

We will not waste our limited resources on FR in support for a liberal progressive LIAR

104 posted on 04/16/2012 11:38:32 AM PDT by itsahoot (I will not vote for Romney period, and by election day you won't like him either.)
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To: ladyrustic

Agreed, I think he governs like Bush 41 or Ford. Why should Romney feel any need to give the conservatives of the party the time of day if he wins.

He has ignored us the entire primary so why would he change is elected?

Either way, conservatives are in for very dark years no matter who wins.


105 posted on 04/16/2012 11:40:02 AM PDT by sarge83
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To: stilloftyhenight; rlmorel
Excellent commentary, rlmorel.

It would be excellent for Huffington Post.

We will not waste our limited resources on FR in support for a liberal progressive LIAR

106 posted on 04/16/2012 11:42:48 AM PDT by itsahoot (I will not vote for Romney period, and by election day you won't like him either.)
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To: itsahoot

What is your issue with my analysis, itsahoot?

You sound as if you don’t agree with it, but I am not sure why. Did you read the entire post?

Please explain.


107 posted on 04/16/2012 11:49:36 AM PDT by rlmorel (A knife in the chest from a unapologetic liberal is preferable to a knife in the back from a RINO.)
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To: lexington minuteman 1775
I like the idea of a Biblical based, pro life, pro founder view of the Constitution.

This verse might be useful to remember.

1Sa 8:7

And the LORD said unto Samuel, Hearken unto the voice of the people in all that they say unto thee: for they have not rejected thee, but they have rejected Me, that I should not reign over them.

108 posted on 04/16/2012 11:51:50 AM PDT by itsahoot (I will not vote for Romney period, and by election day you won't like him either.)
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To: .30Carbine

you’re a fool if you believe the conservative agenda is best served by weakening the GOP. A conservative split would be a definite liberal touchdown. Romney is a jellyfish. He floats along with the currents. Our agenda is best served by controlling those currents and that is accomplushed by electing conservative Republicans at the state level and the congressional level. And yes, there has been conservative progress despite democratic control of the Senate and the Whitehouse. Imagine what we can do with full control of the congress and the whitehouse.


109 posted on 04/16/2012 11:55:25 AM PDT by RC one (all y'all had to do was vote for Newt but noooooo, he wasn't good enough.)
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To: Darren McCarty
It's a long process.

Funny, I had all those rights when I was born, over 70 years ago, how was it I lost them again?

110 posted on 04/16/2012 12:04:57 PM PDT by itsahoot (I will not vote for Romney period, and by election day you won't like him either.)
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To: Colonel_Flagg; gjones77
Unfortunately we have too many in the republican party that want to use the force of government to force people to act they way they see fit, which makes you no better than a liberal.

You mean like the GOPe demanding that Christians shut up about abortion, go to the end of the line, we will try to do better next time, those ones? The ones that force us to like the repeal of DADT, the approval of Gay agenda in our schools, the ones that outlaw the Boy Scouts because they won't allow Gay scout Masters, those ones?

1Sa 8:7 And the LORD said unto Samuel, Hearken unto the voice of the people in all that they say unto thee: for they have not rejected thee, but they have rejected Me, that I should not reign over them.

111 posted on 04/16/2012 12:15:17 PM PDT by itsahoot (I will not vote for Romney period, and by election day you won't like him either.)
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To: longtermmemmory
(IOW any third party vote or not voting is just a vote for Obama, pelosi and reid.)

Maybe you should take your concerns to the GOPe, because most here are fixin to mess-up according to your definition. No Romney supporters here at least not once they out themselves.

We will not waste our limited resources on FR in support for a liberal progressive LIAR

112 posted on 04/16/2012 12:20:02 PM PDT by itsahoot (I will not vote for Romney period, and by election day you won't like him either.)
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To: rlmorel
your rule of Three's is convoluted in my mind, it means there is no republican party at all, which may be accurate for different reason. Truth is there are a lot of anti-Socialist's that have no place to vote. I have voted in every election since Kennedy-Nixon, and I have never voted for anyone sense, with the exception of Reagan.

We have only been offered one that is less evil than the other one, but evil nevertheless.

This will almost assuredly be my last election and I refuse to vote for the lessor evil. It is time for a revolt against the New World Order that has deceived us for so many years.

113 posted on 04/16/2012 12:33:35 PM PDT by itsahoot (I will not vote for Romney period, and by election day you won't like him either.)
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To: itsahoot
You mean like the GOPe demanding that Christians shut up about abortion, go to the end of the line, we will try to do better next time, those ones? Never said that now did I? My point was that all too often many don't like a particular behavior and want some federal law written to prevent it, liberals do it all the time and many on the right see no problem with it as long as it's something they're ok with. Those powers do not belong to the federal government, they are power reserved to the states via the 10th amendment, and if you try to use the force of government to make people do and act as you see fit makes you no better than a liberal in my eyes. The ones that force us to like the repeal of DADT, the approval of Gay agenda in our schools, the ones that outlaw the Boy Scouts because they won't allow Gay scout Masters, those ones? Again, my point was that liberals are using the force of government to enact these issues and conservatives using the force of government to do the opposite is no better, the federal government should stay out of it completely, these are local issues to be decided by the states themselves. So you trying to use the force of government to push your religious beliefs on others who may not share them makes you no better than a liberal in my eyes.
114 posted on 04/16/2012 12:56:59 PM PDT by gjones77
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To: itsahoot

No, I didn’t insult almost every faction on here, just the unreasonable ones that refuse to see simple logic.

Sometimes many on both sides are so hung up on a candidate (2008 Obama voters) that they can’t see when that candidate is no longer viable and doesn’t have a chance no matter how you run the numbers (Santorum/Newt).

Our choices this election cycle basically sucked, my personal choice would of been Gary Johnson, but he never got a chance during the debates or in the media, now does that mean I won’t vote now that I didn’t get my choice, no it doesn’t since I believe getting Obama out of office is more important.

If some one feels insulted that’s their issue, not mine my friend.


115 posted on 04/16/2012 1:04:15 PM PDT by gjones77
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To: itsahoot

I understand your frustration completely, but my post (using the rule of threes) was to explain the current situation to give some context to the dynamic on the conservative side that we see today.

I was curious because your tone seemed hostile to me and my post, specifically (I feel that way when someone tells me a post of mine is better suited to DU or Huffington Post) and I thought you might have misunderstood me.

I was in no way advocating for or against voting for Mitt Romney, or any other candidate, but explaining how I see the Conservative side of the electorate today.

I will come on later when I get home and re-post something I wrote sometime in the past two years, I don’t remember when, when Scott Brown threw his support behind homosexuals in the military. It was rash, hostile and so full of anger it was unlike me, or so I thought. I made some people angry on FR, and in retrospect, rightfully so.

(In summary, I was so angry that I vowed to vote for the most liberal candidate I could to speed up the dissolution of the country, in that it might be reconstituted correctly in my lifetime. Being in Massachusetts, I could find some very liberal candidates indeed. In any case, it was an extraordinarily pessimistic commentary, and some Freepers I respected highly condemned me. I was in a pretty hot mood.)

Point is, I have always voted from Massachusetts, and the post illustrated the anger and disillusionment I felt (and feel) as a voter, particularly from this part of the country.

Unlike many people who might have to hold their nose and vote for a candidate like McCain or Dole, they at least had the possibility of voting for someone like Allen West or any number of other candidates who might actually be good, viable conservatives.

I had never, ever, EVER had even that small luxury, only getting candidates like Kerry, Kennedy, Meehan, and so on.

Year after year, my vote was completely and totally worthless. I deluded myself into thinking Scott Brown was something he was not, because I was desperate to vote for ANYONE but Kerry and Kennedy. That was my fault, but I don’t fault myself too much after a electoral lifetime of being presented with those choices. Talk about a drowning man grabbing a straw.


116 posted on 04/16/2012 1:10:42 PM PDT by rlmorel (A knife in the chest from a unapologetic liberal is preferable to a knife in the back from a RINO.)
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To: itsahoot

Well said, FRiend.


117 posted on 04/16/2012 1:56:48 PM PDT by Colonel_Flagg (There will be no vote for Myth Romney in my house. Period.)
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To: CommerceComet

“...other conservatives who are willing to stand on their principles.”

Did you stand for your principles at the last election? How about the one before that? And before that?

There was not one conservative in any prior election for the last 20 years.

At every election we have had to compromise on our principles. And now you decide to take a stand? On the most important election of our time?


118 posted on 04/16/2012 2:14:38 PM PDT by SgtHooper (The last thing I want to do is hurt you. But it's still on the list.)
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To: Theophilus

See my post to CommerceComet on #118.


119 posted on 04/16/2012 2:19:18 PM PDT by SgtHooper (The last thing I want to do is hurt you. But it's still on the list.)
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To: itsahoot

Most excellent verse: Thank you!
Be blessed!
Freegards
LEX


120 posted on 04/16/2012 3:01:53 PM PDT by lexington minuteman 1775
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To: SgtHooper
Did you stand for your principles at the last election? How about the one before that? And before that?

I don't demand absolute conservative purity in my candidates. I was an unenthusiastic voter for George H. W. Bush, Dole, George W. in 2004, and McCain. The only post-Reagan general election candidate for whom I was enthusiastic was George W. Bush in 2000. However, Romney is far, far less conservative than even H. W., Dole, and McCain. I could at least find redeeming qualities in those candidates.

And now you decide to take a stand? On the most important election of our time?

Because the Republicans have never produced a nominee anywhere close to as liberal as Romney. I have heard the refrain "most important election" every 4 years since 1976. It has lost its scare factor. If our nation is so weak that it can't survive four years of Obama, it is doomed, anyway.

121 posted on 04/16/2012 3:02:04 PM PDT by CommerceComet (If Mitt can leave the GOP to protest Reagan, why can't I do the same in protest of Romney?)
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To: Colonel_Flagg

Thanks Colonel, not many on this Christian owned forum understand why we have come to this point.


122 posted on 04/16/2012 3:02:58 PM PDT by itsahoot (I will not vote for Romney period, and by election day you won't like him either.)
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To: Theophilus; SgtHooper

See my response to SgtHooper in #121.


123 posted on 04/16/2012 3:08:45 PM PDT by CommerceComet (If Mitt can leave the GOP to protest Reagan, why can't I do the same in protest of Romney?)
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To: SgtHooper
At every election we have had to compromise on our principles. And now you decide to take a stand? On the most important election of our time?

By your own numbers, compromising principles has not worked all to well in the past. Every election year conservatives get the exact same bullying tactic - you better vote for our guy, or else, and look where we are now.

124 posted on 04/16/2012 3:19:02 PM PDT by CharacterCounts (A vote for the lesser of two evils only insures the triumph of evil.)
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To: gjones77
No, I didn’t insult almost every faction on here, just the unreasonable ones that refuse to see simple logic.

I prefer to call it simplistic logic(as in logic which fails to account for the whole picture).

You "logic" has brought this country to its knees.

125 posted on 04/16/2012 3:28:56 PM PDT by CharacterCounts (A vote for the lesser of two evils only insures the triumph of evil.)
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To: SgtHooper; CommerceComet

It’s impossible to assess how important an election is, was or will be. But I know Romney is a liar. I’ll always try to avoid voting for a candidate based on what I wish him to be.


126 posted on 04/17/2012 4:31:38 AM PDT by Theophilus (Not merely prolife, but prolific)
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