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The GOP is basically finished. Time to go the way of the Whigs. (Vanity)
4-16-12 | Mozillla

Posted on 04/16/2012 12:09:46 AM PDT by Mozilla

Basically the GOP is too divided to ever unite. There is a deep level of distrust and various factions want different things. People do not agree on whom the best candidates are anymore. Us Conservatives, like me, were all over the map as person after person fell apart in the presidential republican primary. Romney is the final nail in the coffin. Newt, to me, has no chance and he has his own baggage. He has a good message though, but it is too late to do much. I personally think it is time to just end the party.


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1 posted on 04/16/2012 12:09:53 AM PDT by Mozilla
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To: Mozilla

The problem is expecting a party that nominates a conservative presidential nominee , once every 150 years , to be more conservative.

We are the Einstein definition of insanity.


2 posted on 04/16/2012 12:12:10 AM PDT by KSanders (Hope and Change is now Class and Gender warfare)
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To: Mozilla
I think those of us that live in solidly blue states should vote for the Green Party. That way we can create a thorn in the side of the Democrats.

After a sufficient number of leftists have moved on to the Green Party, it will then be OK to create a truly conservative party without throwing the election to the Democrats.

A conservative party wouldn't necessarily need to field its own candidates. It could agree to support the Republican candidate if that candidate is sufficiently conservative. Just like the Conservative Party of NY often does.

This will take a bit of time to take effect, but it is better to help to split the left before we split the right.

3 posted on 04/16/2012 12:14:47 AM PDT by who_would_fardels_bear
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To: Mozilla
I look at it in a different way. It was an expensive lesson for Conservatives, and I hope they got the lesson. If they got it, the next election cycle will see Conservatives coalesce around ONE person pretty early. That way they can be able to bestow on that person the needed financial and optics momentum required to garner the GOP seat. This cycle saw a lot of Conservatives acting in granular fashion, where they would clump by 'tribe' around several people. Not only that, but if you supported person A you likely ended up undermining person B.

I hope the expensive lesson was worth it, otherwise next cycle you will see some Conservative with the right fiscal ideas and mechanisms of achieving them, a proper social conservative focus, a keen understanding of the Constitution, and well honed energy and foreign policy experience; get thrown under the Conservative bus because he/she believes in evolution or some other reason that makes 'tribe' A, C, G, and X think he/she is anathema.

4 posted on 04/16/2012 12:17:06 AM PDT by spetznaz (Nuclear-tipped Ballistic Missiles: The Ultimate Phallic Symbol)
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To: Mozilla

Yep...


5 posted on 04/16/2012 12:18:13 AM PDT by dps.inspect (the system is rigged...)
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To: who_would_fardels_bear

The most fertile ground for a true conservative party would be in the southern states where Democrats are weak.

The local GOP RINO leaders who created those proportional primaries deserve replacement.

They set up the scenario so Romney could win delegates down there.

Back in 1976 Reagan took Texas as a winner take all. This year it was made a strictly proportional primary.


6 posted on 04/16/2012 12:24:06 AM PDT by Nextrush (PRESIDENT SARAH PALIN IS MY DREAM)
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To: Mozilla

It seems unlikely that conservatives will find more political representation by abandoning the GOP. It seems more likely that all of the progress conservatives have managed to make over the past years will be undone and the democrats will be touchdown dancing on our graves.


7 posted on 04/16/2012 12:25:17 AM PDT by RC one (all y'all had to do was vote for Newt but noooooo, he wasn't good enough.)
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To: Mozilla
The GOP is facing a race against demographics. One, that will be hard to win. Its that simple.

America is forever changed.

8 posted on 04/16/2012 12:29:43 AM PDT by Theoria (Rush Limbaugh: Ron Paul sounds like an Islamic terrorist)
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To: Mozilla

We have 4 choices
Vote Obama
Vote Mitt
Don’t vote
Write in someone else

Only one has a chance of defeating Obama.


9 posted on 04/16/2012 12:31:12 AM PDT by preacher (Communism has only killed 100 million people: Let's give it another chance!)
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To: Nextrush

GOP splintered in diff. regions of the country? Almost like what somewhat conservative Zell Miller said in his book A National Party No More, even though this time it could be referring to GOP?

Still I hold out hope and hold my nose (even though my state MA is prob voting for The One)...and hope that the joke “I don’t belong to any organized party—I’m a Democrat” is true (i.e., that they are splintered too)


10 posted on 04/16/2012 12:34:53 AM PDT by raccoonradio
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To: Mozilla
I wasn't all over the map, just found myself checking out progressively less Conservative candidates as the most Conservative candidates were shot out of the saddle, almost in reverse order of their conservativeness. Almost like the Constitution was radioactive, and whoever stood close got a lethal dose.

What has been coming out of the Republican scrum has been less than satisfying, and generally more so every cycle.

What I have noticed is a progression toward totalitarianism, first the left foot, then the right, each passing what the other cannot.

That isn't healthy for a Constitutional Republic. Sad that Jack Kennedy could have run to the right of the apparent candidates without changing a thing.

While I ever hope our republic can be saved by gentle means, the likelyhood of that happening is less each day.

Under the current two parties, it looks grim ahead indeed.

11 posted on 04/16/2012 12:53:41 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: spetznaz
the next election cycle will see Conservatives coalesce around ONE person pretty early. That way they can be able to bestow on that person the needed financial and optics momentum required to garner the GOP seat.

In North Dakota, Santorum got roughly 40% of the caucus vote, Ron Paul roughly 25%, but the GOP muckety mucks put up a slate with 16 of 25 delegates avowed Romney supporters. They even shut off microphones to quell dissent.

When the GOP pulls crap like that, they can pucker up and kiss my hindparts. If I wanted to be railroaded, I'd take Amtrack.

12 posted on 04/16/2012 12:57:51 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: preacher

Only one has a chance of defeating Obama.


With a mind set like that I guess your right.

However, defeating Obama with a Obama clone does nothing to advance our cause.


13 posted on 04/16/2012 12:59:51 AM PDT by cableguymn (Good thing I am a conservative. Otherwise I would have to support Mittens like Republicans do.)
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To: preacher
We have 4 choices
Vote Obama
Vote Mitt
Don’t vote
Write in someone else

Only one has a chance of defeating Obama.

To what end?

Romney has never governed conservatively and there is no reason to think that he will fight for Conservatives once in office again.

14 posted on 04/16/2012 1:10:52 AM PDT by RJL
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To: preacher

Thee is zero chance of defeating Obama in this election, because they have already rigged the counting of the ballots using the Spanish company controlled by the socialists-communists to count the U.S. election ballots. Romney, like McCain, is a sham candidate for the purpose of preserving the illusion of an actual election.


15 posted on 04/16/2012 1:19:54 AM PDT by WhiskeyX
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To: Mozilla

The problem is timing. We need a unified effort to defeat Zer0. Leave the fantasy worlds on the Unicorn Farm for the Zombie Left.

In the mean time . . .

Go Newt!


16 posted on 04/16/2012 1:20:33 AM PDT by jonrick46 (Countdown to 11-06-2012)
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To: preacher

That kind of thinking can get you in trouble on this site right now. Sure hope we don’t go the way of a conservative LGF.


17 posted on 04/16/2012 1:22:28 AM PDT by chargers fan
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To: preacher

The fifth is vote for the nominee of a party that actually represents your interests.


18 posted on 04/16/2012 1:43:55 AM PDT by ScottinVA (A single drop of American blood for muslims is one drop too many!)
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To: Theoria

Spot on.

At the core of the whole issue is the demographic trend. With hispanic (and face it.. they`re big on big government) voter numbers swelling in the southwest, and other ethnic groups growing by leaps and bounds faster than whites, the path to victory for the conservative side is narrower with each passing year.

Add to that, the “gimme” mindset of the younger generations who will vote for whomever grants them the most goodies...

Frankly, I don`t see how the country survives into the distant future.


19 posted on 04/16/2012 1:52:21 AM PDT by ScottinVA (A single drop of American blood for muslims is one drop too many!)
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To: Mozilla

I have posted several times that the GOP is just one faction of the BOHICA Party. It is there to serve as a foil for the RATs; their proverbial whipping boy, if you will.

PUBs don’t attack because they are not allowed. They don’t respond to attacks because they are not allowed. GOP prize is NOT the Presidency; getting the nomination is. The campaigns are bread and circuses for the masses.

0bambi or Mittens? WTF cares? There is zero difference on policies. Just as McLame and 0bambi had zero differences. It doesn’t matter who gets elected; we are screwed either way. Face it, the grand experiment is over. The country has been sold to Red China.

This country is divided as never since 1860. It is too big to manage. Let the South rise again. Forcibly deport all LIBs to the North and likewise, let Conservatives live in a free country. Deo vindice


20 posted on 04/16/2012 1:58:25 AM PDT by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners)
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