Skip to comments.The GOP is basically finished. Time to go the way of the Whigs. (Vanity)
Posted on 04/16/2012 12:09:46 AM PDT by Mozilla
Basically the GOP is too divided to ever unite. There is a deep level of distrust and various factions want different things. People do not agree on whom the best candidates are anymore. Us Conservatives, like me, were all over the map as person after person fell apart in the presidential republican primary. Romney is the final nail in the coffin. Newt, to me, has no chance and he has his own baggage. He has a good message though, but it is too late to do much. I personally think it is time to just end the party.
Don’t bother waiting for a response.
I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again: Conservatives now have about as much power to enforce conservatism in the Republican Party as a lamb has to enforce vegetarianism in a pack of wolves.
This being the case, there is a better way.
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And...finally you just might get the message.
Imagine if more people voted FOR Conservatism instead of accepting and eating whatever steaming plate of poo the party chefs prepared for them.
Too many people running around here with their arms over their heads yelling: "Oh noes! If I don't eat the warm poo, the cold plate of poo wins."
what is it with politics and big hair?
Only one has a chance of defeating Obama”
NO!!! NONE of them have a chance at defeating Obama.
Are Conservatives, all of a sudden, going to “love” Mitt Romney? Are they going to rally behind him? Are they going to enthusiastically work for his election? No, they are not.
They will sit on their hands and stay home.
It is time to start a new Conservative Party which will plunge a dagger into the heart of the current establishment Republican Party. Without Conservative support, the Republicans can win NOTHING. Even as a minority, we have the POWER, if only we would exert it.
Good analogy. I'm not buying into the "Do you want Obama II" bit. Of course I don't want Obama II. That's why I'm not voting for him or Romney.
Because it is not logic, it is a childish tantrum.
If their guy doesn't get picked, they quit, take their ball and go home.
I for one am not staying home; rather, I'm voting for a conservative... just as planned all along.
Some or most here seem to believe that the most pressing thing to do is to destroy the GOP. Those that believe that should really work and vote and work for hussein because that is the most effective approach to accomplish that end.
If elected, Romney will have a lot of pressure to govern as a conservative. If he does not, conservatives will rightly mount a conservative primary challenger.
I don’t believe it is hyperbole to worry that hussein will establish a Chavez like dictatorship via rigged elections and executive orders that will effectively prevent any meaningful opposition.
It’s always been that way on here, if their guy doesn’t get in they sit and whine and do what ever they can to undermine the final candidate so they can say “Look, see, if you voted for my guy we would of won”, it’s easy to make a statement that cannot be proven or disproven, but it makes them feel better.
We have too many that would prefer to create a self predicting prophecy than to actually do something to push our cause forward.
Their ego means more to them than actually doing something.
I checked around for a conservative party and only one I found that was national and could qualify was the Consitution Party which holds their nominating convention this next weekend...
Any FREEPERS her voted for them or has an opinion on them? They have been around I guess for 20 years.
Which campaign trail, and which word? Romney's been all over the political map, and that's why people don't have a high level of confidence he's a leftist hiding in conservative clothing. His campaign manager's "Etch-a-Sketch" comment exacerbated an already distrustful environment.
Romney has no "base" of support beyond the GOP diehards, he's been woefully inconsistent on issues from illegals to guns to gays to abortion. As such, people simply don't trust him.
The GOP establishment pushed Romney all along, not with the goal of victory in the Presidential election, but to woo enough moderates in order to hold onto the House and maybe have a hope of taking the Senate. They may accomplish their goal in the short term, but at a much bigger price of alienating conservatives.
You're absolutely right.
-- Samuel Adams
"It does not take a majority to prevail
but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brushfires of freedom in the minds of men."
-- Samuel Adams
And we have the foundation laid.
ABO-Ad infinitum, nothing is worse than Obama as president, nothing.
I won’t tie up bandwidth cutting and pasting the Constitution Party’s platform, but here’s the link to it.
It’s worthwhile to have a look. I did after the GOP quit the post during the lame duck session debacle in 2010. The Republicans showed NO fight on the repeal of DADT and the ratification of New START.
The Constitution Party is far more along the lines of conservative thought than the modern-day Whigs, aka the GOP. My hope is that the Tea Party conservatives, without whom the GOP would still be in minority status in the House, would look toward the Constitution Party as a home that gives REAL voice to the conservative cause. The GOP establishment views the Tea Party as merely a necessary evil to be used to electoral means and no other.
The GOP is a dying entity. The sooner the conservative movement recognizes this, the better.
CONSTITUTION PARTY PRESIDENTIAL NOMINATING CONVENTION
Wednesday, April 18, 2012 at 12:30pm - Saturday, April 21, 2012 at 8:00pm
Location: Sheraton Music City Hotel
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You do realize that, the last time this happened we had Civil War, in which more Americans were killed than in any other war in which we have been involved, right?
Sooner or later this is inevitable. We are going to have to take on the GOP establishment, defeat it, and send it the way of the Whigs.
Are the stakes just too high to do it in this election? That’s the decision we all have to make.
You can't possibly be that stupid.
Or, maybe you are.
It is difficult to argue with that. I wish I could, but it would be difficult. It reminds me of something I read 2 weeks back that made
me realize something - Mitt Romney is NOT a RINO. He is a Republican. It is Conservatives who are Republicans in Name Only, since the GOP is not conservative.
Thanks for the response...after I see who they nominate at that Nashville Convention I might vote for Constitution party. A couple of the canidates have a likable platform and the party platform is conservative.
I like the idea of a Biblical based, pro life, pro founder view of the Constitution.
Thanks again an Freegards
“If elected, Romney will have a lot of pressure to govern as a conservative. “
I disagree. If Romney wins, he will be under no pressure whatsoever to govern as a conservative, since he will have won the election despite the vehement objection to his candidacy by real conservatives.
In fact, he may even feel pressure to govern even more to the left than he already does...
I'm personally sick and tired of Chicken Littles. 3rd parties are only good for a protest vote for a case like a Romney. Overall, they have always been a failure, are a failure now, and always will be a failure. Because the presidential nominee - one person - is a giant turd, you're going to ignore the just as important down ticket elections, bitch, and quit like Private Pyle on the obstacle coarse.
Instead of bitching get involved and fix the party.
The Presidential Election is going to have only two results;
Well we know the answer to the second is a definite if Obama wins.....
Look we are fighting a social and demographic race that will push us more to the center to win. These are facts. The world is rapidly changing. As much as I hate to see it those whom are young, foreign or first generation Americans do not put much thought into the past, tradition and so on. It’s passe’ and the party will become so if we do not move in a modern direction for modern times. We must be inclusive to survive and that means taking on some different ideas. Don’t get me wrong our side has the best fundamentals but everything in life is not that rigid or one sided.....
The biggest issue I see is with the youth then the Latino. I look forward to seeing how Mitt handles this over the summer as he needs inroads as the GOP is not attracting these voters. I’m 50 yrs old and white, upper middle class. When I am 70 I do not want to see my party be known as the second coming of the Whigs... ADAPT!
As much as I despise Romney, if he is what we are left with, he gets my vote. All the anti-Romney ppl who will “send a message” by not voting for him, should he be the candidate, are simply trying to position themselves to say “see, we told you he wouldn’t win” or “see, now that he’s president, he’s doing the same thing as Obama”. What a sad lot.
But, let me add, the pig is poison and eventually it must be regurgitated or death is the inevitable result.
Oh, such a brilliant retort, NOTWhile living in California, the Democrats committed vote fraud and denied me the right to vote. When I arrived at the new polling place in a neighborhood home, I presented my voter’s registration card and California Driver’s License to get my ballot just as I had done before for a umber of years, only to have the poll workers order me to leave the poll immediately before they called the police to have me arrested. I tried to open my mouth to ask what was going on when they once again threatened to have me arrested. AS I was leaving, I stopped by the garage door to read the computer printouts listing every person registered to vote at this precinct. I found that my name and my wife’s name had been removed from the voter’s registration list, and the Hispanic names of people who did not live at my address or in my single detached house were substituted for ours at my street address. When I attempted to report these felonies, I was passed around from one state office to the next, where they refused to take in the report or complaint and threatened in some instances threatened to have me arrested for the Federal crime of opening someone else’s mail. Prior to the election I had received letters from the California Department of Motor Vehicles, and you could see through the envelope window that they contained driver’s licenses addressed to Hispanic named people supposedly living at my address. Contry to the accusations, I never opened the envelopes, but they refused to even hear the full sentence of my complaint before threatening me and ending the conversation. They clearly were attempting to intimidate me and left me nowhere to file a complaint, all the way from the Los Angeles Sheriff’s Department to the Office of the California Attorney General.
We moved our home and business out of California to another state. I recently served as a delegate to the Republican Convention. The convention was the largest in anyone’s memory. AS the voting went forward to select delegates to the state convention, it became obvious that a large number of these delegates were people who were former Democrats and some of whom openly admitted to having voted for Obama in the last Presidential election. Every single one of these people voted for and represented Romney. Their votes systematically excluded the longstanding Republican delegates and their votes for Santorum, Gingrich, and Paul.
I know of a candidate for a state legislative office where the Democrats resorted to vote fraud to keep the Democrat incumbent from losing the election. A person in the county recorder’s office witnessed the staff performing a handcount after they claimed the machines had broken, and they removed ballots which included votes for the Republican candidates.
There are public records of prosecutions for Democrat vote fraud occuring in nearby counties to the one in which the above vote fraud occurred. In one of those prosecutions, the Democrats stopped off at a business on the way to the county courthouse, where they removed some ballots and then stuffed more pro-Democrat ballots from non-existant voters. He then transported these fraudulent ballots to the courthouse where they were counted for the election. This has also been reported to have happened in an assortment of variations in New York, Massachusetts, Minnesota, New Jersey, Illinois, Texas, and a number of other states over the years.
Democrats for Hillary Clinton are on record and on film testifying how the Democrats for Obama committed vote fraud at the DNC Convention to deny Hillary Clinton the DNC nomination.
Now, SCYTL has acquired SOE Software, and there are widespread reports about the socialist-communist management of SCYTL and its connections to Soros and the Obama Administration. SCYTL is in a position to count many of the votes in the U.S. elections. Explain how it is supposed to be impossible for the Obama Administration and Democrats to rig this election. Otherwise it is yourself who looks stupid with your head in the sand as the election becomes a sham election while Democrats select the Republican delegates and candidates in the primary elections and the integrity of the U.S. election results falls into the hands of socialist-communists.
The problem is "expecting" a party instead of BEING the party. Too many people expect others to do the work. Everybody here needs to ask themselves these questions.
What did I do to help get conservatives elected? What did I do to help get a conservative nominated? Are you happy with the answer to that? I'm not. Romney won my state. I tried, but I could have done better.
1. The perfect is the enemy of the good, or at least acceptable.
2. A large number of people tore down other candidates to support someone who wasn't even running. When she didn't run, it was a massive shift of the non-Romney until the flaws were shown. Santorum lasted the longest.
3. Pawlenty exited early after Iowa straw poll. Three months is a lifetime in politics. People looked for a serious candidate as an alternative to Romney and he could have been it. He's not perfect, but could have gotten enough conservatives and establishment together to be acceptable instead of that guy we're stuck with now.
Combine this with the fact that the Republicans in Congress will not oppose Romney but would oppose Obama and you have plausible grounds to believe that a Romney Presidency could be just as destructive as an Obama second term.
The GOP has gotten is in the last 30 years
Concealed carry in most states
Better judges (not there year, but much better than the Burger/Warren courts)
Removal of the AWB federally
No more partial birth abortion in most cases (not there yet)
State level improvements.
It's a long process.
Last time the GOP moved to the "center," we got an ass kicking in 2006 and 2008. George W Bush on fiscal policy.
“If Romney wins, he will be under no pressure whatsoever to govern as a conservative”
Whether a President Romney will act as a conserverative will depend on the actions of the conservative base, and if the conservative base becomes disengaged, your statement is correct. Most of us here, including myself, are not thrilled with Romney. But that being said, we can exert pressure on him to act as a conservative by electing conservative House and Senate members. Replacing establishment leaders such Boehner and McConnell with conservatives will go a long way in acheiving this aim of convincing Romney to sign conservative legislation. However, conservatives in Congress will be absolutely useless under a hussein regime because hussein will circumvent the Constitution in a very brazen way in his quest to establish a permanent socialist dictatorship.
How is a new "conservative" party going to plunge a dagger in to the heard of the GOP? It's not going to magically happen, and no 3rd party has done anything outside of a protest vote in 150 years with the Whigs and Democrats both splitting
Even as a minority, we have the POWER, if only we would exert it.
This agree, if only conservative know HOW to use it. Most don't. You do know that republican party officials are elected, do you?
So only those who voted for Romney are allowed to criticize him if he becomes President? Are you suggesting that no one can criticize Romney if he's elected and takes his predictable left turn? Perhaps those of us who have opposed Romney since 2008 are trying to warn those who are willing bury their heads in the sand. I warn about Romney because I care about this country, conservatism, and to a lesser degree, the Republican Party and Romney will be an unmitigated disaster for all three.
What a sad lot.
I think that it is really sad that so-called conservatives will demonize other conservatives who are willing to stand on their principles.
My opinion of them is the same of all 3rd parties. They don't hold any major offices or have even close to a plurality in any state legislature, let alone congress. I've voted for them once at the top of the ticket, but I don't harbor any illusions of them being anything more than a protest vote.
I wouldn't fault anyone for voting for them over Romney. I would fault someone for voting for them straight ticket and ignoring the good republicans we still have, like Tim Walberg (my rep).
Beginning with its presumptive Presidential nominee.
I think that Romney would relish conservative opposition if he were elected President. He trying to establish a moderate base and the best way to establish his credibility in this regard is to get the conservatives into an uproar and then sell himself as the "reasonable" alternative to these "extremists" with the GOP-e cheering him on. IMO, conservatives will be far more marginalized under Romney than Obama. At least, if conservatives are battling Obama, the moderate Republican establishment is less likely to stab us in the back.
Likely true ... and so ... what?
Help re-elect Obama by not voting for the Republican Party nominee? Essentially support a radical leftist who openly vows to divide Americans, destroy our traditional American values and undermine our Constitution?
I don't think so! As disappointed as I am to have to vote for a non-Conservative, I will do whatever it takes to help stop an Obama second term. If the only viable alternative is voting for Romney, then that's what I shall do ... I don't like it, but for this election my love for America outweighs everything else.
no there IS a difference. The tea party brought the conservative cream to the top. Finally the squishy moderates are scared of losing their power in the party.
This abandon all hope is the same old same old. I expect a string of evolution/creationist junk threads coupled with a string of opuspaloozas as mere troll fodder.
Oh and I forgot the evil mormon threads.
SCYTL is in a position to count many of the votes in the U.S. elections.
Your story has changed. Get more specific and provide a link and perhaps you eventually be no longer posting nonsense.
Wrong, you are attempting to create a non-existant distinction. There are numerous reports of SCYTL taking control of SOE Software, who counts much of the vote counts for the voting precincts. This is the alleged rigging of the vote counts, meaning the Obama Administration has through the Federal Election Commission arranged for this foreign company to receive the Federal approvals needed to proceed. Absent some form of EFFECTIVE oversight to prevent a vote count fraud by SCYTL and SOE Software, the election may be deemed as rigged to produce whatever final vote count desired by the SCYTL management and the Obama Administration within the limitations of the nearly ineffective safeguards.
Show us how SYTL and SOE Software are in no position to alter the actual vote counts.
the democrat party gives money to the constution party in order to split the republican vote. It is a party for useful idiots. (think peace groups funded by the communist party during the cold war)
They are an utter waste of time and voting for them is by design a vote for democrats and obama specifically.
“IMO, conservatives will be far more marginalized under Romney than Obama”
I would not make that assumption. I think most conservatives have underestimated and continue to underestimate the extent hussein will go in his pursuit of ‘fundamental transformation” This means nothing less than the utter destruction of the Constitution and establishment of a socialist dictatorship. Under a new hussein regime, conseravtives will not only have to worry about political marginalization, but we will have to worry about our basic natural rights.
The question really comes down to this. Do you fear dealing with rinos and moderates or do you fear dealing with a new hussein regime? You can only select one or the other. If you are primarily concerned with the Republicans stabbing you in the back, metphorically speaking, then don’t vote or better yet vote for hussein. Hussein will do the job of eliminating all Republicans (metaphorically?) very nicely.
all these threads are by their nature troll bait for posts from Democrats who want to ensure we do not take the senate or keep the house.
The presidential race is only part of the puzzle.
like it or not you go to war with the army you have not the one you want.
(IOW any third party vote or not voting is just a vote for Obama, pelosi and reid.)
If the GOP can’t beat Obama in these economic times it is truly dead. The Whig analogy is not too extreme. We would need a New party or a revolution, maybe both.