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Marine Faces 'Other Than Honorable' Discharge Over Anti-Obama Facebook Comment
ABC ^ | 04/15/2012 | MARISA TAYLOR

Posted on 04/16/2012 5:09:46 AM PDT by safetysign

A federal judge on Friday rejected Sgt. Gary Stein's injunction to halt a military tribunal's recommendation that he receive the discharge following anti-Obama comments he made on a private Facebook page in March, according to court documents.

Stein, 26, has maintained a webpage for the last two years about the armed forces tea party group he founded, including a disclaimer that the views were his own and didn't reflect those of his employer.

But according to his attorney, Stein never ran into any trouble until last month, when he wrote: "Screw Obama. I will not follow all orders from him."

(Excerpt) Read more at abcnews.go.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: cicobama; dissent; facebook; marine; obama; stein; teaparty; usmc
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To: Chainmail
Cute, very cute, my draft-dodging friend.

Arn't you the presumptive one; and wrong. You must be a lot of fun at parties.

51 posted on 04/16/2012 2:04:59 PM PDT by 6SJ7 (Meh.)
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To: JohnnyP

Sorry, I don’t put much stock in what a defense attorney has to say on TV, no matter what the case.


52 posted on 04/16/2012 2:57:11 PM PDT by SandyInSeattle (Never borrow batteries out of your smoke alarm!)
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To: Ratman83

What civilian court? It was an administrative discharge proceeding, held by the military. There’s not civilian court case here.

The UCMJ article is not relevant, he’s not facing trial.

Do you have military experience? (Not to be confrontational, just trying to figure out where you’re coming from.)


53 posted on 04/16/2012 3:00:13 PM PDT by SandyInSeattle (Never borrow batteries out of your smoke alarm!)
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To: Vernon

My previous post should have read, “...outside of viting, we were NOT to be involved politically


54 posted on 04/16/2012 3:28:01 PM PDT by Vernon
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To: Vernon

My previous post should have read, “...outside of voting, we were NOT to be involved politically


55 posted on 04/16/2012 3:28:48 PM PDT by Vernon
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To: SandyInSeattle
From the article

A federal judge on Friday rejected Sgt. Gary Stein's injunction to halt a military tribunal's recommendation that he receive the discharge following anti-Obama comments he made on a private Facebook page in March, according to court documents.

Federal court.

Yes I served active and reserve amny years ago and I have a son on active duty now.

56 posted on 04/17/2012 5:10:39 AM PDT by Ratman83
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To: FlyingEagle
"Apologies to have caused so much butthurt..."

An amazingly gay response - not easily shamed, are you..?

57 posted on 04/17/2012 5:52:05 AM PDT by Chainmail
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To: SandyInSeattle
"The UCMJ article is not relevant, he’s not facing trial."

Actually you are incorrect; even in adminstrative proceedings, the UCMJ provides the framework for determining any violations. I could not have held Office Hours/Article 15 without citing the specific violation under the UCMJ.

I am of the opinion that the Marine Corps overeacted to this Marine's case because of the publicity in the Navy/Marine Corps Times and the hyper-political sensitivity of our current leaders. In my opinion, all of this should have been handled at the battalion commander level and limited to NJP, Page 11 entry, reduction in rank - with the obvious preclusion from reenlistment.

That way Sgt Stein would have served as an example but been eligible form Veteran's Benefits, security clearance, employability. Our current leadership chose the "show trial" route to impress the administration, I guess. If I would advise him, I would recommend petitioning the Naval Board of Records to upgrade his discharge.

58 posted on 04/17/2012 6:03:37 AM PDT by Chainmail
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To: Ratman83

The proceeding was military.

He appealed to a federal judge trying to get the civilians to interfere and they refused.


59 posted on 04/17/2012 6:56:21 AM PDT by SandyInSeattle (Never borrow batteries out of your smoke alarm!)
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To: Chainmail

You would be correct if he was facing Art 15 proceedings, but this was an admin discharge board. Different animal.

What branch did you serve in? Marine Corps here.


60 posted on 04/17/2012 6:58:14 AM PDT by SandyInSeattle (Never borrow batteries out of your smoke alarm!)
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To: SandyInSeattle

Yes it is a military proceeding but the article was about the civilian court denial.


61 posted on 04/17/2012 7:10:58 AM PDT by Ratman83
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To: Chainmail

Now that you mention it, I’m surprised he didn’t go to NJP first. Usually admin discharge is a last resort, not a first option.


62 posted on 04/17/2012 7:14:24 AM PDT by SandyInSeattle (Never borrow batteries out of your smoke alarm!)
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To: Vernon

No, Service Member are allowed to volunteer for political organizations and attend rallies, but such actions a) can’t interfere with military duties, and b) can’t be done in uniform or in any sort of official capacity.

The Marine in question here blatantly stated on a public Facebook account that he would not obey Obama’s (the CinC) orders. He quickly clarified that to say “unlawful orders” but the damage was done.

I think an OTH discharge is WAAAAAY overkill, but I don’t know how the USMC works with regards to such infractions.


63 posted on 04/17/2012 7:34:13 AM PDT by Future Snake Eater (If we had a President, he'd look like Newt.)
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To: Ratman83

Okay, I misunderstood your post. Sorry about that, it’s Monday. Isn’t it?


64 posted on 04/17/2012 7:46:59 AM PDT by SandyInSeattle (Never borrow batteries out of your smoke alarm!)
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To: Chainmail

You are obviously unconcerned with civility and manners.

And have no sense of humor.

So keep it up FRiend.

Show your enthuiasm by becoming a monthly donor, we could sure use the funding around here. In your case, someone of your generous opinions ought to join the dollar a day club at least, so you can be highly invested in your attitude.

Chainmail: I do not accept shame for my views from you nor anyone else who chooses to act like a jackass around here.

And by the way, regarding your amazingly idiotic ‘gay’ characterization of my aplology response, you might be surprised to learn that my brother was gay, and as a consequence died of AIDS due to his homosexual behavior. So I find your remarks deeply insulting on a moral level. And I am personally active in promoting healthy family creation and heterosexual behavior. What a creepy thing to say to someone on a conservative values forum. You need help. I checked your posting history and you are rude to everyone, so I feel good about not being singled out to be picked on.

The last thing we need around here is a jarhead with a bad case of singed hairs on his redass due to excessive flaming. I believed I issued a cordial, pleasant and humorous reply to your rude assertion that I did something wrong by referring to a marine as a soldier. Well guess what, that is just common parlance, bucko. If my expression of regret was somehow inadequate, well, I am sorry again for that, and you will just have to get over it before people on this board start to think you might be acting like a jerk all the time. “Get over it, Francis.”


65 posted on 04/17/2012 7:56:17 AM PDT by FlyingEagle
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To: SandyInSeattle
Hi Sandy - 27.5 years in the Marine Corps: 4 years enlisted, the remainder as an artillery officer, commanding a battalion at one point.

Other than that, no experience at all...

Semper Fi, Chainmail

66 posted on 04/17/2012 8:07:48 AM PDT by Chainmail
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To: SandyInSeattle

That is alright, it was Monday but today is Tuesday.


67 posted on 04/17/2012 8:16:30 AM PDT by Ratman83
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To: FlyingEagle
"Apologies to have caused so much butthurt..."

So exactly how was that comment civil or appropriate or anything but confrontational and for that matter, gay? Does that pass for an apology where you come from?

I'm sorry about your brother - I have a gay brother too and I don't have much hope for him either.

As far as my record goes, it's the record of a man with zero patience for stupidity and no tolerance for insults. I have served my country with distinction and have no reason to accept disrespect. Make sense?

68 posted on 04/17/2012 8:25:55 AM PDT by Chainmail
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To: Chainmail

You’re not my old boss, are you?! That sounds like his resume!

I only did 21. Eight enlisted, then warrant officer, LDO, then unrestricted. Personnel officer, adjutant.


69 posted on 04/17/2012 8:48:22 AM PDT by SandyInSeattle (Never borrow batteries out of your smoke alarm!)
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To: SandyInSeattle
Sounds like a superb career Sandy - I don't think I was your boss, at least during any of my artillery assignments. I had a lousy adjutant who ended up working for the DEA after leaving the Marine Corps earlier than he intended.a

Thank you for your service!

Semper Fi, Chainmail

70 posted on 04/17/2012 9:01:23 AM PDT by Chainmail
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To: safetysign
It is dishonorable to serve under this CIC, period. The honorable thing to do would be to take down a government which has abandoned and nullified the founding principles. Every day that goes by I wonder why there hasn't been a general mutiny. More important to make that payment on the ‘vette, huh?
71 posted on 04/17/2012 9:02:38 AM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by nature not nurture TM)
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To: Chainmail

It is not clear how many apologies a guy like you needs. So please accept my third one.

This is not the marines, this is Free Republic.

You are the one instigating the disrespect, FRiend. That is a fact.

Do you like kitties? I am series.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2627159/posts

Read what this place is all about. You don’t even know me.

Hopefully you will start contributing and last more than a year.


72 posted on 04/17/2012 9:21:29 AM PDT by FlyingEagle
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To: FlyingEagle
Don't bother threatening me, FlyingEagle. I contribute and and will contribute, not that it is any of your business.

If you want to bring anything up to Jim and the monitors, see how the word "butthurt" strikes them as per your comments. If you want to use gay terms, expect some flashback. No normal person uses that term.

If you can't tell the difference between the army and the Marines, then maybe you should avoid the subject in the future.

73 posted on 04/17/2012 11:02:34 AM PDT by Chainmail
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To: Chainmail

Semper Fi!


74 posted on 04/17/2012 11:51:11 AM PDT by SandyInSeattle (Never borrow batteries out of your smoke alarm!)
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