Skip to comments.Here are your presidential choices as it stands today
Posted on 04/16/2012 10:47:55 AM PDT by Jim Robinson
Here are their positions on some major issues important to conservatives based on their actual records in government or past boasts.
|Advocated that abortion s/b safe & legal in America||y||y||n|
|Defended Roe v Wade as settled law||y||y||n|
|Advocated for abortion for underage girls without parental approval with judge's ok||y||y||n|
|Supported planned parenthood||y||y||n|
|Introduced $50 taxpayer funded abortion||y||y||n|
|Supports homosexual agenda||y||y||n|
|Better for homosexuals than Ted Kennedy||y||y||n|
|Ok with homosexuals in Scouts||y||y||n|
|Ok with homosexuals in military||y||y||n|
|Supported and still supports global warming hoax||y||y||n|
|Supports gun control (so-called "assault weapons" ban)||y||y||n|
|Supports amnesty for illegal aliens (by any other name it's still amnesty)||y||y||n|
|Is undeniable father of RomneyCare||n||y||n|
|Is undeniable grandfather of ObamaCare||n||y||n|
|Still boasts that RomneyCare is great!||y||y||n|
|Still boasts that RomneyCare is a "conservative solution"||n||y||n|
|Still believes RomneyCare is constitutional||y||y||n|
|Still believes individual mandate ok at state level||y||y||n|
|Believes state forcing individuals to buy health insurance is a conservative idea||n||y||n|
|Believes compulsory health insurance with mandates and penalties s/b imposed on all states at state level||n||y||n|
|Believes compulsory health insurance at state level is constitutional (states rights)||?||y||n|
|Believes the state has constitutional power to force you into a private contract against your will for no other reason than you live there||y||y||n|
|Supports government "stimulus" spending claims more is necessary||y||y||n|
|Believes personal income tax should be cut drastically (15% flat tax)||n||n||y|
|Believes corp income tax should be cut drastically (12.5% corp rate)||n||n||y|
|Believes capital expenditures should be 100% expensed in first year||n||n||y|
|Believes capital gains tax should be eliminated||n||n||y|
|Believes estate tax (death tax) should be eliminated||n||n||y|
|Believes federal government must be drastically cut per constitutional limits||n||n||y|
|Believes unconstitutional federal functions like education should be returned to the states and people per tenth amendment||n||n||y|
|Believes social security/medicare s/b phased out/privatized/returned to states and people||n||n||y|
|Believes everyone at EPA should be fired and start over as an agency to look for solutions/not hinder industry||n||n||y|
|Believes the constitution restricts the government from infringing on inalienable rights||n||n||y|
|Appoints/supports/cowers to liberal activist judges||y||y||n|
|Will challenge activist judiciary||n||n||y|
|Believes in founding principles and has best conservative record to back it up||n||n||y|
That is not true the way I see it:
I think the Conservative thing to do is to vote for a conservative in every slot possible, to include the presidency. If a third party candidate IS conservative by his nature and his record, why wouldn't I vote for him, rather than skip or stay home?
Last election, in three weeks during the Republican primary, the Christian Right lifted Huck out of the cheap seats single-handed... because they had no pro-life candidate in the top tier. They created a top-tier candidate (would that it had been Hunter they chose).
Look at FR's contribution to the tea party... Look at the TEA Party itself... cross-pollinate with the Christian, military, and civil libertarian forums...
If huck can ride the Christian Right's coattails to the spotlight and do as well as he did, literally ANY conservative could do the same...
I believe that God is still blessing this nation, and Governor's Perry's untimely back surgery was God's way of telling him "Not now - I have plans for you later".
I refuse to enable Romney to shove his ruinous socialist healthcare down my throat.
One of the reasons that I've decided to vote for Romney should he become the nominee, is because Palin has been a strong proponent of ABO...even if the GOP candidate were Romney. I'm sure this doesn't thrill her either (Hmmm, maybe why SaraPac reserved some space at the convention?), but again, this may be our potential reality.
You people think you are so clever with your “Who is Ron Paul?” sarcastic comments but then whine about how bad Romney is. You put yourself in this corner and it’s attitudes like this that got us Romney as opposed to a true conservative Ron Paul. Thanks for helping Obama get re-elected.
That's pretty funny considering that virtually every person on this forum who has expressed a desire to vote out of office the most destructive, America-hating Marxist president this nation has ever suffered have found themselves on the defensive, derided as homo-loving RINO Romneybots and wondering if their next post will be their last.
I live in Texas and just recieved an automated call from the Romney camp to contribute to his campaign and recieve a free bumper sticker.
“Press 1 to contribute, press 2 to be removed from the list”
Mitt Romney voted for the Lautenberg Amendment
A unified opposition would have, and perhaps still could, beat Romney. In spite of all your points.
A weak field and lack of a unified opposition got us here. A strong candidate with unified support behind him and we wouldn’t be here. There’s nothing permanent about the party that hasn’t been changed in the past and can’t be in the future.
I don’t see your alternatives having any good effect. Do you, does the opposition to Romney, even agree on who to unite behind? I don’t see it. All I can see is taking the same infighting somewhere else; and, I don’t see what good that would do.
thanks for your replies.
Once it kicks in and cleans FR of the Romneyites, it's gonna take down the grid.
Wow! A free bumper sticker, eh? :-)
I've got a better bumper sticker to put on one's car: "Who wants to be a cheap date for Romney?"
Yes we can still win local races within the GOP, but the elites have a lock on the Presidential nomination. As a though exercise, imagine if the primaries had gone like this:
Super Tuesday is South Carolina, Ohio, Iowa, Alabama, Colorado, Arizona and Idaho. New Hampshire thrown in for good measure, to cover all the regions.
By the time you are to this point, it's Romney who is in last place and gone, and the conservatives are in charge.
Bring up this proposal at the next RNC board of governors meeting, see what they say. And while you are at it, suggest that California gets 50 percent fewer votes per capita because they do not contribute votes in November. See how that goes down.
The fact is, the process is deliberately set up to favor a liberal that is acceptable to the Country Club set. They took the existing set up from the late 70s and set it in stone in a way that made that advantage permanent, instead of wondering why they can't win when the country is conservative.
“You might notice that Palin is the main Republican who isn't running that hasn't endorsed Romney, that hardly seems like support.”
I can't disagree with your points there. My point was simply to say that in the end, if Romney does become the GOP nominee, she indicated she would support him.
As others have mentioned, this isn't over yet. Despite my saying that I would vote for Romney if he becomes the nominee, I'm hoping that Newt can energize some of the electorate, and beat Romney. Newt would destroy Obama in debates!
You know, I tend to believe that myself. Perry learned some important lessons which would serve him well next time around. I can hope!
We ALREADY HAVE a ruinous socialist healthcare plan shoved down our throats. I broke a television screaming at that asshat fraud Stupak when he announced that he was caving. I know exactly what Romney did in Massachusetts and I know what he’s saying now (which is that he’ll do everything he can to repeal Obamacare). I also know what Obama already did and I have a pretty good idea of what he would do when he doesn’t have to worry about election.
I think you’re not understanding where we are in the fight on healthcare. Obama has a long history of pushing pure Communist policy and has already taken steps to implement it. You’re acting like we have a free market system and Romney is running on destroying it. Obama is already doing everything he can to do that.
I’m not going to defend the indefensible (Romney’s record on health care), but I *have* to take the chance that he means what he says on these issues because I am absolutely 100% certain where Obama stands.
I’m a Mom!
Everything is my fault already! ;)
Bwaaaaa... I’m just kidding, my dear kids..just kidding.
Thanks for the pings, y’all.
I’ll be voting here in Pennsylvania on April 24th for Newt.
Yes. As Gingrich has said, they want to manage Americas decline. They also want a place at the liberal table. Compliance will get them that. For a time.
So are you comparing Romney to Jesus, now that is weird.
I will vote all other offices, if Romney is the nominee, I will not vote for him. Romney who is no different than BHO.
Au contraire! I have access to a whole group of brand new voters....
And they DO talk politics! They post things on sites most of us don’t even go to. Can I, one person, turn this around? Of course not.
Will I not at least work with what’s been given me?
You know THAT answer.
You would have been saying the same thing no matter who ran. Who has better credentials than Newt? No one; he singlehandedly took down the leading Democrats, putting some in jail, and then took the House, when Dole and other RNC losers were talking just like you.
So who? DeMint? What if he stumbled like Perry did, would you call him weak? Sarah? You'd be saying the media destroyed her, and that's why conservatives can't win. Jindal? Not ready. Rubio? Not ready.
You want to blame the field rather than place the blame where it belongs, with the GOPe and the media-e that they play footsie with. The fact is, no matter who got into the race who was conservative, that person was enemy no. 1 until they were gone. And it was Mitt, the GOPe and the MSM cooperating on that task. It went from Bachmann to Cain to Perry (or was it Perry to Cain, I forget) to Newt to Santorum. And in turn, each was attacked by Mitt's GOPe money and RNC insiders (like Rove, et al.) and the MSM, and they were ultimately done in by a process that lets Democrats vote in primaries that are held in the most liberal states.
No, it was not for lack of talent or fortune that conservatives were killed in this election. It was murder in the first degree.
If Koresh were the same as BHO, I would not vote for him just as I am not voting for Romney because he is like BHO.
Well, the problem in the last two primaries has been that the “moderate” gets all of the moderate and independent votes (and some of the conservative votes) while the actual conservative candidates split the votes of the actual party base. If this primary had been Gingrich against Romney from the start, Newt would’ve destroyed Romney running away.
The same thing happened to some degree in 1996 as well.
The video I post is much more recent than the one you would post to support your lies. Yes, Newt changed his mind as he learned more about the issues. He even pounded algore's idiocy into the dirt at a Congressional hearing, where Newt explained that anthropogenic global warming is a myth.
I don't believe a word you write now that we see you are more than eager to post video from the far past to support your lies. Did you happen to go to the link where Mister Robinson explains these items for fools like you? ... I didn't think so. Liars don't like being exposed, do you!
Excellent Summation, Jim!
Loyally standing with you and Newt.
ABO is a strawman even if Palin uses it.
I liked Palin but have always reserved my worship for Almight God.
The question, my FRiend is “How to defeat both Romney and/or Obama whether primary or general?”
That’s what I’ll be focused on the next 7 months
Thanks for the ping. I often run out of things to say.
So, next you had the country clubbers convince Pawlenty to get out. Why? Because he would have taken votes from Mittens. Then they went after Daniels and his wife for the same reason. Wanna play with Mitt's nomination? Here's what you'll get! So Daniels says no.
The next conservative to get a lot of attention was Perry when he got in. He got Alinskyed. Like Palin, they made a successful Governor of a state seem like an idiot, because he talks almost as bad as Obama when the teleprompter is off.
Imagine if he got treated the way another Texas governor was treated, GW Bush. Back in 2000, the RNC was in love with W. He was the one who got to do the negative ads in South Carolina, and it worked. If Perry was not ridiculed by the GOPe, and stuck with a process that holds Texas' primary in the summer, he could have hung on long enough to get rid of Mittens.
Next up was Cain. We know what happened there. Bill Clinton would have survived it. But not a conservative.
Then it was Newt's turn, and he was on fire following some debates. He won South Carolina. Was on track to win Georgia and mabye Florida. So it was time to concentrate on him, and boy did they. All GOPe guns a-blazin at Newt.
That left Santorum. He was hot for a while, too, til the tried and true formula made him a woman hating religious zealot.
It could have been Mitt against any one of these candidates alone, and the final result would have been the same, given the money, RNC suport, MSM support and the process of making the nomination go through liberal states for the front-loaded part of the campaign.
No, it was not numbers or quality, it was a stacked deck and a party that does not want the rabble in charge. Us rabble ought to understand that.
Thanks for the heads up. I’ll be busy grocery shopping and prescription picking up for my elderly mom. I do hope he gets a large turn out.
Yet a sizable number on here won't unify behind him even though he's the only one left.
So who? DeMint?
Perhaps, we'd have to see him actually build a campaign to know.
What if he stumbled like Perry did Sarah?
Perry, the candidate, hurt himself and didn't recover in time to stay in it, Sarah teased but never entered. So, no, these two were not strong candidates, one wasn't a candidate at all.
A strong candidate would be one who A) Entered the race; B) Had and communicated a strong and effective message; C) Campaigned well on the stump and in debates; D) Built an effective organization and staff, including fundraising; E) Unified the base voters.
Who would that be? Obviously no one this time. We really don't have bench strength, though there may likely be others out there I'm not aware of, I've heard names I know little about, that may have been strong candidates.
You want to blame the field rather than place the blame where it belongs
Partly the field for the reasons above (and partly because they did not unify behind one nonRomney). But also us for not unifying, worse working to destroy each other. You may remember that Perry was severely trashed before he got out of the gate, etc. It's axiomatic that opposition to an incumbent has to be united or it fails every time.
he blame where it belongs, with the GOPe and the media-e that they play footsie with.
Here I think you misplace the blame. The party didn't make others sit out and it didn't prevent unity behind one other candidate, nor trash the field. And the media? They're against us for the foreseeable future and they've had their candidate beaten before. In any case, I don't see your strategy for defeating the media here.
It went from Bachmann to Cain to Perry (or was it Perry to Cain, I forget) to Newt to Santorum. And in turn, each was attacked by Mitt's GOPe ..
They were attacked on here also. Even if the GOP *and* the media disappeared, the notMitt vote was still split.
It was murder in the first degree.
If that's the analogy, I think I've stated my solution; what is yours? How does it work, what is the result?
thanks for your reply.
Again, as a guy on AD I think I have twice as much to loose. I don’t really care much about your opinion of my service or its relevance to this thread. The interests of my country would be ill served if I were to squander my vote. The defeat of BO is the mission...for the sake of our republic.
I agree. It makes me sick to think about it but I can’t vote for Mitt. Anyone who takes mormonism seriously - with its documented history readily available - demonstrates a serious lack of judgment that is unfit for the office of president. Flame me all you want, but I can’t even hold my nose and vote for him as a vote against Obama. Can’t do it.
Well Gunny, nobody wants to see you loose everything.
Do you know if there are any debates scheduled between Newt and Romney? While I know debates don’t seal it for everyone, I’m certain Newt would demolish Romney (or anybody for that matter!), and this could garner Newt some much needed support.
I’ll do my part to help Newt win our nomination. Nothing, and I mean nothing would make me happier!
They need to start reaching across the aisle and working with conservatives.
Here’s the solution to our problems, conservatives.
Just vote NEWT.
Not that hard.
Had the NRLC call me today asking for money. I told them NO — because they were supporting Romney and that it was ridiculous as Newt Gingrich has been pro-life and voted CONSISTENTLY pro-LIFE throughout his career.
They seemed shocked over the phone.
I’m only a third of the way through the thread and I can see you are getting the MVP award.
Post 159 is great.
Thank you SO much for your support of Newt.
I am seeing the utter frustration of the past week turn into action, and that action is to support Newt.
This is what is needed to stop the Romney steamroller.
Newt to Tampa!
And onyx, too!
There are no more planned debates. If there were one, it would make most sense before Texas.
It would be good for Gingrich and Paul to schedule a debate, invite Romney, and then ridicule him when he refused to show.
With all that said, if the primary process could be changed in terms of the order of states, that would possibly allow a conservative to squeak through. But it never will be changed, and if anything, has been made worse for conservatives in recent cycles, as open primaries are skewing the process.
To win as a conservative, you'd need to be independently wealthy, squeaky clean, articulate like Newt and Reagan, likeable like Reagan, on your first wife, have lovely children, and able to use wit to turn ridicule against the Alinskyites. You are right, we don't have anyone out there who fits that bill. Darn.
For those reasons, and the many I have stated in this thread, I think it will be easier for conservatives to win the Presidency through a third party campaign than through trying to defeat the Republican machine. It would not have to be a true third party. You just have to be beating the Republican candidate in October, and then try to get the Republican party to coalesce around you by sweet talking how you will unite the Republicans again as President. You could reduce Mittens down to 10 percent of the vote (which is what John Anderson got when Reagan won his first term) If you are ahead of him in October. And when you win, you can rejoin and work with Republicans in the Congress, the way Lieberman did with Democrats, and in the manner of Murkowski. In that scenario, the Republicans want to be with the winner, and conservatives will get control of the party back that way. If the GOPe won't cooperate, they can just go the way of the Whigs.
Your view is a recipe for decades more of RINO socialist candidates, very few of whom will win and none of whom will change anything.
Please remove me from your ping list. I don’t know how I got on it but I prefer to make my own selection of items that interest me.
Maybe this will help you, I know alot of people are really afraid. I read this on FR Saturday morning and it really helped me.
This is powerful stuff!
So, tell me, who do we vote for? Romney=Obama=a vote for crimes against humanity.
Mitt Romney created the contraceptive/abortifacient mandate and Obamacare, both of these men reject the Constitution on freedom of religion.
Is it a matter of voting for vice presidents instead of presidents? Dont vice-presidents just go to state funerals?
Two quotes from Evangelium Vitae of Blessed Pope John Paul II:
(1) When a parliamentary or social majority decrees that it is legal, at least under certain conditions, to kill unborn human life, is it not really making a tyrannical decision with regard to the weakest and most defenceless of human beings? Everyones conscience rightly rejects those crimes against humanity of which our century has had such sad experience. [EV 70]
(2) In the case of an intrinsically unjust law, such as a law permitting abortion or euthanasia, it is therefore never licit to obey it, or to take part in a propaganda campaign in favour of such a law, or vote for it. [EV 73]
So, basically, its a crime against humanity to vote for Romney or Obama as that is a direct vote for total war on children in the womb by these totally cowardly, anti-American, abusers of power out to harm children. Is one really better than the other? Really? Tell me why
Obama has only enforced what Romney has already imposed on the good citizen’s of MA.
There cannot be Liberty if Human Life is snuffed out so easily or when little children are no longer safe from those who would violate their innocence under the perverted guise of Homosexual freedoms.
What about the God given right’s of the children? Have we become so hard-hearted as a nation that we can no longer differentiate between Good and Evil?
This is the Crux of the matter, it’s really quite simple.
You can't take over the GOP without winning the nomination, and you can't win the nomination with the RNC stacked against conservatives. Not without taking them by surprise, like Ronald Reagan did.
That's not the way I remember it. The cleanup came the nomination and election of course, but much was done prior during the previous primary and afterward.
And, if I accept your premise, you still acknowledge Reagan did it. I don't remember that as a surprise but a multi-year struggle hand-to-hand.
My views here are based on my experience. I've seen and participated in radical change in the party on the local, regional, state and national level. These party positions in a great great many cases are the most insecure one could imagine. I've seen whole scale turnover in less than a week. Perhaps your experience is different, I'm certainly aware that could be the case.
As for a third party, I'm gonna repeat that if you can't do it within the GOP, you can't do it from scratch; anything you can do with a third party you can do easier and quicker within the GOP. All the tasks, tactics and strategy are the same and they're easier to do without having to do everything from scratch completely unknown.
I especially don't see how Obama's election changes anything on its own. He was elected last time too.
Thanks again for your reply.
Great list. Here’s another:
Great courage......(won’t back down to media drones or leftist zombies in a fight).
Wonder if Obama is punishment for America murdering their babies..
If so, a hard rain is about to fall...
America seems to be the new SODOM...
And the rain may not be “WET”...
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