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Here are your presidential choices as it stands today
April 16, 2012 | Jim Robinson

Posted on 04/16/2012 10:47:55 AM PDT by Jim Robinson

Here are their positions on some major issues important to conservatives based on their actual records in government or past boasts.

Issue Obama Romney Newt
Advocated that abortion s/b safe & legal in America y y n
Defended Roe v Wade as settled law y y n
Advocated for abortion for underage girls without parental approval with judge's ok y y n
Supported planned parenthood y y n
Introduced $50 taxpayer funded abortion y y n
Supports homosexual agenda y y n
Better for homosexuals than Ted Kennedy y y n
Ok with homosexuals in Scouts y y n
Ok with homosexuals in military y y n
Supported and still supports global warming hoax y y n
Supports gun control (so-called "assault weapons" ban) y y n
Supports amnesty for illegal aliens (by any other name it's still amnesty) y y n
Is undeniable father of RomneyCare n y n
Is undeniable grandfather of ObamaCare n y n
Still boasts that RomneyCare is great! y y n
Still boasts that RomneyCare is a "conservative solution" n y n
Still believes RomneyCare is constitutional y y n
Still believes individual mandate ok at state level y y n
Believes state forcing individuals to buy health insurance is a conservative idea n y n
Believes compulsory health insurance with mandates and penalties s/b imposed on all states at state level n y n
Believes compulsory health insurance at state level is constitutional (states rights) ? y n
Believes the state has constitutional power to force you into a private contract against your will for no other reason than you live there y y n
Supports government "stimulus" spending claims more is necessary y y n
Believes personal income tax should be cut drastically (15% flat tax) n n y
Believes corp income tax should be cut drastically (12.5% corp rate) n n y
Believes capital expenditures should be 100% expensed in first year n n y
Believes capital gains tax should be eliminated n n y
Believes estate tax (death tax) should be eliminated n n y
Believes federal government must be drastically cut per constitutional limits n n y
Believes unconstitutional federal functions like education should be returned to the states and people per tenth amendment n n y
Believes social security/medicare s/b phased out/privatized/returned to states and people n n y
Believes everyone at EPA should be fired and start over as an agency to look for solutions/not hinder industry n n y
Believes the constitution restricts the government from infringing on inalienable rights n n y
Appoints/supports/cowers to liberal activist judges y y n
Will challenge activist judiciary n n y
Believes in founding principles and has best conservative record to back it up n n y


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To: JLAGRAYFOX

You have already spent your allowance for exclamation marks today. That’s how your post is read:

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601 posted on 04/17/2012 8:20:04 AM PDT by Marguerite (When I'm good, I am very, very good. But! When I'm bad, I'm even better)
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To: onyx; katiedidit1; b9; true believer forever; All

Mitt Romney, Liar and Hypocrite!
“Romney on Campaign Finance Reform”
Romney campaigning in Burlington, MA, 10/11/94
http://youtu.be/MM0x8WnI4to


Commenting on his health care reform law in Massachusetts, Romney told voters in Ohio, ‘Early on, we were asked if what you did in Massachusetts should be something you’d have the federal government do? I said no from the very beginning. No. This is designed for our state and our circumstance.’

But, as Andrew Kaczynski of BuzzFeed reported,
http://www.buzzfeed.com/andrewkaczynski/mitt-romneys-suggested-three-times-in-2009-that-o

’ Mitt Romney has taken heat from his rival for a 2009 USA today op-ed touting RomneyCare, including the individual mandate as model for national health reform. But the former Massachusetts Governor’s op-ed wasn’t the only time he thought the President could ‘learn’ from Massachusetts.’


Mike Huckabee, 2008: Romney Is Not Conservative
http://youtu.be/lItBPMi95S0


602 posted on 04/17/2012 8:29:56 AM PDT by Marguerite (When I'm good, I am very, very good. But! When I'm bad, I'm even better)
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To: JLAGRAYFOX

Yes, I can see why you need to stop posting on this subject ... you’re obviously running out of exclamation points.


603 posted on 04/17/2012 8:52:31 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: Jim Robinson

Iwonder how the Cain revolution is doing on the Hill? Has anyone heard?

Where are our other Churchills and Pattons today? Those who speak in Truth are reviled, while those you deny it thrive. Come soon, Lord Jesus.


604 posted on 04/17/2012 9:32:14 AM PDT by Paperdoll (On the cutting edge)
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To: Dante3

I fully understand the sentiment. It’s a great short-term solution to vote ABO but a terrible one in the LONG-TERM.

I’m focused on taking back my party. I’m not going to choose between Bad and Worse. At some point we need to take a stand and show our party a little bit of TOUGH LOVE.


605 posted on 04/17/2012 9:49:38 AM PDT by libdestroyer
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To: JLAGRAYFOX
And......if Obama is re-elected, you can pack all your so-called conservative principals in your closet forever!!! End of Story!!! If you folks can’t see the forest for the trees, you are all adrift at sea!!! Sad!!! I will speak or pen no more on this subject!!! Closed minds cannot be communicated with!!!

On the contrary! If you don't take a stand for conservatism and take back YOUR PARTY then you'll be left with 2 choices every 4 years:

  1. Rapid decay of conservative values
  2. Slower decay of conservative values


And you're being presumptive in accusing people of having "closed minds." Many of us have spent a lot of time coming to this decision.


606 posted on 04/17/2012 9:56:52 AM PDT by libdestroyer
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To: caww
If there’s any question at all in any body’s mind of the utter arrogance and disregard for the voters this man has, and that this is all about what he believes is rightfully due him...

Yep, it's pretty clear that Romney feels entitled to 'his turn' at the presidency. It comes through strongly enough that I think a lot of voters are turned off by it. I know that I sure am.

I mean, the man hasn't done or said a single thing in his career to earn my honest support, so why should I vote for him? Because he's got the better marketing team? Because he claims to support the things I do (even though his record indicates otherwise)? Because the alternative (Obama) is "worse"? I don't necessarily buy into any of that.

Romney: "Vote for me because I suck less, and dammit, it's my turn!"

607 posted on 04/17/2012 10:01:30 AM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: JLAGRAYFOX
I get the greatest kick out of getting you folks wound up!!! And.....you fall for it every single time!!! Leftie lunatics vs. Rightie lunatics, one and the same. They react in exactly the same way. LOL. Hope you have a sense of humor!!!

The "Zot Heathers” have no sense of humor.

608 posted on 04/17/2012 10:16:47 AM PDT by fml
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To: Jim Robinson

Hi Jim,

Thank you for posting this document. It makes it lucidly clear as to what would be our moral responsibility before God and country in a situation where we have a clear-cut choice.

Just wondering, are you considering adding any widgets to make it easy to “share” or “like” posts on Facebook so that family and friends would instantly see this and be able to share it with their contacts.

I would think it would potentially grow membership.

Best regrads,

Scott


609 posted on 04/17/2012 11:28:13 AM PDT by publius321
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To: Iscool
Like McCain, Romney can't win...The numbers are not there.

Could be true, but he may be who we are stuck with.

So I'd like to encourage you and the others to vote for Gingrich

Our state's primary has already been held. I voted for Santorum, who ended up taking the state pretty handily. Sadly, he has dropped out.

I can certainly pray that Gingrich takes the remainder of the states, but I'm not expecting that to happen. And unless he does that, I don't see any hope for him at the convention.

610 posted on 04/17/2012 12:09:39 PM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: Windflier
How is that possible, if the data on the chart above is true?

All else aside, if Romney were to win over Obama, Romney would at least have to posture to set himself up for re-election. Obama doesn't have that restraint if he wins in November.

Romney is bad, but not as bad as Obama, and DEFINITELY not as bad as an Obama second term.

611 posted on 04/17/2012 12:12:39 PM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: Windflier
Romeny basically tells all he's in regardless of the voters of this country....what an egotistical %4&589%$###....He told Texans he didn't need them....and now he's told every other state he doesn't need them.

Come to think of it what does the man have any need of...he's laid his claim on the most Powerful Leadership position in the World without the consent of the voters.....now he can declare himself “God” of this Planet. At least the “White-Horse” Savior.

If he does get this...no matter what means used...the people are in for a rude, rude, awakening. The Mormon church will be ecstatic.....the leadership will move their political agenda...and the LDS will claim from the top that their counterfeit Christianity now must be accepted as legitimate Christianity......and the push for acceptance and inclusion of ALL world religions under one governing rule will pick up momentum as never seen before. .

612 posted on 04/17/2012 12:52:25 PM PDT by caww
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To: MEGoody
Romney is bad, but not as bad as Obama, and DEFINITELY not as bad as an Obama second term.

How could anybody possibly say Romney's not as bad as Obama...IMO he is equally so and in certain areas far worse. You think Obama doesn't play by the rules....you've just begun to see that the "Anointed" Romney declared himself the Republican Primary winner which he'll announce this week....without the delegates to support him.

If he'll by pass the good voter of this country...what the heck do you think he'll do with congress or anything else which stands in his way.

The problem is Romneys real political agenda is hidden from view...but I promise people will see it soon enough and it' will be cloaked with the same deceptive mask Romney now wears.

'Fools' follow a Piped Piper....and Romney's baited, bought and hooked those who support him.

613 posted on 04/17/2012 1:03:38 PM PDT by caww
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To: Jim Robinson

Great chart, Jim!


614 posted on 04/17/2012 1:14:37 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Jim Robinson

615 posted on 04/17/2012 1:27:31 PM PDT by CodeToad (I'm so right-wing if I lifted my left leg I'd go into a spin.)
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To: MEGoody
...if Romney were to win over Obama, Romney would at least have to posture to set himself up for re-election.

No, he wouldn't. As conservatives have proven time and time again, they'll eventually 'come home' if the establishment holds out long enough.

Romney has a governing record that would make any liberal Democrat proud, and even though there's still a race in progress, AND there's a conservative still running, here we sit, debating over the relative merits of giving the liberal Republican our votes.

If that's all the mustard we've got, then the establishment is absolutely right to take us for granted. The center-right base will fall in line behind the masters, and Romney et al will do exactly as they please - with the full and hearty blessings of the Republican dominated Congress.

Romney has violated every known conservative principle while posing as a Republican, and he will go on to do it again. That's precisely why he's the establishment pick.

Soap box - broken
Mail box - broken
Ballot box - broken
Cartridge box - stockpiled and growing, but so what? Doesn't seem to matter.

616 posted on 04/17/2012 2:08:51 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: libdestroyer

I think there’s a hitch in your logic.

>>>If Obama is president and faces Republican control of the House and Senate, they are FAR less likely to vote in favor of his policies because they know they’ll catch hell from voters.

Legislation originates in congress. A conservative congress will propose conservative legislation. Obama will veto for certain; party unity and catch hell from voters will fall more likely on the side of Romney signing than Obama.

So, as far as getting conservative legislation passed and signed into law: Conservatives in congress for sure; NoBama even better.


617 posted on 04/17/2012 5:10:03 PM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: Marguerite
“Under no circumstance can a path to citizenship be created which would allow those who have broken the law to receive precedence over those who patiently waited to become residents and citizens via the legal process. Those who adhered to our immigration law cannot be usurped by those who violated it.”

They all say that, and they always mean amnesty.

618 posted on 04/17/2012 8:00:21 PM PDT by Sloth (If a tax break counts as "spending" then every time I don't rob a bank should be a "deposit.")
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To: Sloth; Marguerite

There appears to be absolutely no one that can pass muster on here. And we wonder why Romney leads against the notMitts?


619 posted on 04/17/2012 11:27:47 PM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: D-fendr

I really don’t care about a non-Republican “leading”. If I am deprived of voting for a conservative candidate, it is impossible for me to vote at all. No Obamney, no Robama.


620 posted on 04/17/2012 11:36:39 PM PDT by Marguerite (When I'm good, I am very, very good. But! When I'm bad, I'm even better)
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To: Marguerite

Well, unfortunately, we all seem to disagree on who is a “conservative candidate” so it’s No anybody else but Obama.

Yippee.


621 posted on 04/17/2012 11:41:01 PM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: Marguerite

The point of my previous post is the other poster was against Newt.


622 posted on 04/17/2012 11:42:12 PM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: Jim Robinson

All that is going to matter with the next President is who will he appoint to SCOTUS. That court will dominate the USA for at least a generation. Obama will appoint the highly progressive justices as he has already done twice. Romney is somewhat more likely to appoint a conservative. I will take that chance with Romney over the sure thing with Obama.


623 posted on 04/18/2012 1:48:31 AM PDT by Jeff Gordon (Don't pick a fight with an old man. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: Jeff Gordon

Romney appoints liberal judges. He’s an abortionist, homosexualist, statist. No thanks!


624 posted on 04/18/2012 2:31:04 AM PDT by Jim Robinson (There's no crying in rebellion!!)
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To: D-fendr

I am aware of the way bills are passed into law. While bills “originate” in the House and Senate, the President can use his “bully pulpit” to pressure Congress.

My point is that a Republican (especially a liberal one like Mitt) is far more likely to sway a Republican majority in Congress with bad policy than Obama could.

I also think 4 more years of Obama will strengthen the Conservative cause. His first term brought about the Tea Party. Think of what the second term would do.

Up until now, Progressives have been very patient. They’ve made very gradual changes to this country to suit their cause. Obama is screwing that all up by introducing this country to Socialism FAR TO QUICKLY.

I think Obama could be the best thing to happen to Conservatism. :D


625 posted on 04/18/2012 4:35:55 AM PDT by libdestroyer
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To: libdestroyer

you are delusional and assume there will be an America in which a conservative movement can exist much less grow.

The Tea Party redux will involve revolution


626 posted on 04/18/2012 4:42:30 AM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 ..... Crucifixion is coming)
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To: libdestroyer

Anyone who actually belives that leaving Obama in place is no better than a democrat loser.

There are SCOTUS appointments to consider.

Obama will simply bypass Congress as he is doing now.

Your guns will be removed.

You can kiss sites like FR goodbye because Obama will end them.

Conservatives will get the blame for more Obama and conservatives will have marginalized themselves into oblivion.

This kind of talk is delusional and ridiculous.


627 posted on 04/18/2012 4:56:07 AM PDT by dforest
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To: libdestroyer
I still think your logic if faulty. I certainly wouldn't bet the welfare of the republic on it.

Think of what the second term would do.

The first was plenty bad enough for me and imagine what it would be like to say that to a soldier.

I think Obama could be the best thing to happen to Conservatism.

Some on here have gone so far as to say they're going to vote for Obama, I assume based on similar logic.

I see it as a 'rule the ruins' fantasy. And a dangerous one.

628 posted on 04/18/2012 9:42:31 AM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: Albion Wilde
Thanks for the ping.

So we all write in Newt on 11/6/12, "or else", huh?

629 posted on 04/18/2012 11:34:11 AM PDT by nutmeg (Rest in Peace, and THANK YOU, Andrew Breitbart)
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To: nutmeg
So we all write in Newt on 11/6/12, "or else", huh?

It's good to know where we stand. But I admit, I'm giving the idea of a write-in a lot of thought. Unfortunately, a write-in would only work if the entire conservative/Republican base agreed on one; but between Gingrich, Perry, Palin and Paul, there would be too much splintering.

That said, it's not over 'til the fat lady sings, and the convention is still months away.

630 posted on 04/18/2012 6:54:58 PM PDT by Albion Wilde ("Real men are not threatened by strong women." -- Sarah Palin)
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To: Windflier

Well, we each have to do what we think is right. I simply cannot vote third party or not vote at all with Obama in office.


631 posted on 04/20/2012 11:42:03 AM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: caww

I guess we have to agree to disagree. I can’t vote third party or not vote at all with Obama up for re-election.


632 posted on 04/20/2012 11:44:24 AM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: MEGoody
Well, we each have to do what we think is right. I simply cannot vote third party or not vote at all with Obama in office.

In that case, you've got two choices: Socialist A, or Socialist B.

Choose wisely. /sarc

633 posted on 04/20/2012 12:00:37 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: MEGoody
I can’t vote third party or not vote at all with Obama up for re-election.

This Primary does NOT have Obama running.....he's not in this race...and for the life of me I cannot understand why those who say they are conservative have already determined to "Not vote third party, not vote at all" as you stated...when there is STILL a Conservative candidate running.....Newt is still running..and even Paul.

This is why I do not give those who say they're voting Romney room at all.....they've gone over to the other side way too early and cannot justify why doing so, unless they weren't conservativve Republicans in the first place...there's still Candidates running ! And they are simply ignoring that fact.

634 posted on 04/20/2012 1:07:38 PM PDT by caww
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To: caww
This Primary does NOT have Obama running

The primary in my state is over. Santorum took the state pretty handily.

635 posted on 04/20/2012 1:18:19 PM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: COBOL2Java
You're embarrassing yourself.

I wanted Bachman. I thought Cain/Gingrich would be a great ticket.

But I would vote for Elmer Fudd instead of 0bama. ABO. Anybody But 0Bama.

636 posted on 04/20/2012 3:37:55 PM PDT by FatherofFive (Islam is evil and must be eradicated)
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To: Jim Robinson

If this were a conservative site, rather than a necon site, Ron Paul would be listed. Free Republic has fallen so far it’s a shame. A real shame. I’m disappointed in ya Jim.


637 posted on 04/22/2012 4:34:55 PM PDT by vigilo (The GOP, snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. It's how we roll.)
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To: vigilo

Well, piss on you. Paul too.


638 posted on 04/22/2012 5:17:59 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (There's no crying in rebellion!!)
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To: vigilo

Your problem with FR has been solved.


639 posted on 04/22/2012 5:21:50 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (There's no crying in rebellion!!)
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To: Jim Robinson

Go Newt! Come on Delaware!


640 posted on 04/22/2012 5:24:23 PM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: vigilo; anonymous; Jim Thompson; darkwing104; 50mm; SunkenCiv; humblegunner; Allegra; Eaker; ...

So long, vigilo (Posting History)

Hat Tip to Anonymous and Jim

Class of '98 student forgets his lessons and is escorted off the site by The Man Himself





A Zottee Finds Out He’s Been Banned From FR



FReepmail TheOldLady to get ON or OFF the ZOT LIGHTNING ping list.

641 posted on 04/23/2012 3:39:23 AM PDT by TheOldLady (FReepmail me to get ON or OFF the ZOT LIGHTNING ping list)
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To: ShadowAce

“I’ll vote for Newt over Mitt in the primary, but there is no way I’m voting for Mitt in November—even if he is the nominee.”

I don’t want Mitt either.....but for heaven’s sake we have to vote for whomever runs against Obama. I would vote for a ‘Turkey in the Straw’ as I will be voting against Obama no matter who runs against him.

At least we would get rid of the Czars and Holder, and so forth.


642 posted on 04/23/2012 5:44:11 AM PDT by Dudoight
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To: vigilo
If this were a conservative site, rather than a necon site, Ron Paul would be listed. Free Republic has fallen so far it’s a shame. A real shame. I’m disappointed in ya Jim.

Ron Paul and conservative don't go together.

643 posted on 04/23/2012 6:19:12 AM PDT by McGruff (I haven't voted yet. Stop the coronation. Vote Newt!)
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To: Jim Robinson; onyx; TheOldLady; Impy
So I wake up by a telemarketer, turn on TV and bozo is speaking about the Holocaust!!! This truly is like 1984!!!

The guy who bows down to Jew haters suddenly sounds like he's ready to pick up a gun and fight for the IDF!

644 posted on 04/23/2012 7:26:22 AM PDT by Dengar01 (Go Bulls!!! Go Blackhawks!!! Go White Sox!!!)
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To: TheOldLady

1998 but barely ever posted. Odd posting history.


645 posted on 04/23/2012 8:41:57 AM PDT by mojitojoe (American by birth. Southern by the grace of God. Conservative by reason and logic.)
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To: TheOldLady; darkwing104; 50mm
so the viking kitties gave-up the lighting bolts trading
them for baseball bats? *grin*...thxs, for the ping. :-)

646 posted on 04/23/2012 8:44:40 AM PDT by skinkinthegrass (the DNC/RNC = D.C. Establishment...Brazilian saying: $ame $h!t, W!th D!fferent Fl!e$. :^)
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To: mojitojoe
This entire thread is incredibly odd to say the least.

Fun though!
647 posted on 04/23/2012 9:17:45 AM PDT by TheOldLady (FReepmail me to get ON or OFF the ZOT LIGHTNING ping list)
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To: skinkinthegrass

That’s the Great Cat escorting the zottee off the site. [cough] Not very politely, but oh well...


648 posted on 04/23/2012 9:18:52 AM PDT by TheOldLady (FReepmail me to get ON or OFF the ZOT LIGHTNING ping list)
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To: little jeremiah; EnglishCon; Marcella; bcsco
Activating the Bat-Signal for the old PaulBot Zot Gang!

If you aren't on any of the zot ping lists, you might have missed this one. It's a class of '98er that somehow escaped incineration until now, even though the majority of his posts for the past year have been chanting praises to his leader, the Ronulan. He directed the last couple of them right at JR himself, and finally became a martyr for his cause.

This is the only PaulBot Zot since February, and there isn't likely to be another. In honor of our old Gang, I'm going to make this one an even $10 to the current FReepathon. Join the pledge, if you like.


649 posted on 04/23/2012 12:42:38 PM PDT by lonevoice (Klepto Baracka Marxo, impeach we much.)
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To: vigilo; lonevoice
I’m disappointed in ya Jim.

Well, ya coulda left on your own. Coulda, woulda, shoulda...

But, you're just not that smart I guess. Or, you really wanted to go down in flames. Well then, here they are...

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650 posted on 04/23/2012 12:49:11 PM PDT by bcsco
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