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15-Year-Old Texas Boy Charged With Murder In Deaths Of 9 Illegal Immigrants
CBS Houston/AP ^ | April 16, 2012

Posted on 04/16/2012 11:21:50 AM PDT by Free ThinkerNY

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1 posted on 04/16/2012 11:21:56 AM PDT by Free ThinkerNY
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To: Free ThinkerNY

but were these illegals white hispanics or just hispanics?....it makes a difference...


2 posted on 04/16/2012 11:25:29 AM PDT by cherry
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To: cherry

The scumbag AP usually identifies the perps as white so I am assuming that the kid is tejano’.


4 posted on 04/16/2012 11:30:29 AM PDT by max americana
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Is the boy a White Hispanic of the Jewish descent? ‘cause then Al Sharpton might care.


5 posted on 04/16/2012 11:30:33 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: Free ThinkerNY

I wonder if this kid is actually from Texas, or himself an illegal invader...


6 posted on 04/16/2012 11:30:44 AM PDT by NCDave (AKA, "That idiot over there")
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To: Free ThinkerNY

I blame the US for not having open borders!/s


7 posted on 04/16/2012 11:32:33 AM PDT by Dallas59 (President Robert Gibbs 2009-2011)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Does this mean that Texas D.A.’s will be writing up all negligent homicide deaths as murder from now on? My guess would be “no”.


8 posted on 04/16/2012 11:32:55 AM PDT by Pecos (In God we trust. All others - bring data.)
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To: NCDave

I wonder is 0bama a white negro?


9 posted on 04/16/2012 11:34:33 AM PDT by donhunt (Certified and proud "Son of a Bitch".)
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To: BCW

I agree with that. I see illegal immigrants as members of an invading army. They are out of uniform, basically engaged in an attempt to overthrow the laws of this country. I see no reason why they should be protected by our laws. The Geneva Convention does not apply.


10 posted on 04/16/2012 11:34:33 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Like Emmett Till, Trayvon Martin has become simply a stick with which to beat Whites.)
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To: BCW
"If someone is here ILLEGALLY - then it doesn’t count!"

If only; I gather 8 more survived. Why don't we let him try again.

11 posted on 04/16/2012 11:35:11 AM PDT by Truth29
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To: BCW

The 15 yr old kid was the one driving the van, which meant he was probably working for one of the people smuggling/drug gangs that operate in that area.

When you have to flee the country because of Obama’s brownshirts, I hope the Mexicans give you a break and don’t say ugly things like what you have said.


12 posted on 04/16/2012 11:36:22 AM PDT by livius
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To: Free ThinkerNY
Could be one of bamas Sons. I read they were getting paid big bucks on California border for driving drugs across. They would not stop them, just waved them on by.
13 posted on 04/16/2012 11:38:08 AM PDT by easternsky
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Damn. That’s a whole Taco Bell.


14 posted on 04/16/2012 11:40:48 AM PDT by BigCinBigD
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To: NCDave
I wonder if this kid is actually from Texas, or himself an illegal invader...

Perhaps you should read the article.........

15 posted on 04/16/2012 11:41:24 AM PDT by rockabyebaby (We are sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo screwed!)
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To: NCDave

[I wonder if this kid is actually from Texas, or himself an illegal invader...]

Article says he’s a US Citizen...but should he be charged or given a medal?


16 posted on 04/16/2012 11:49:22 AM PDT by bjorn14 (Woe to those who call good evil and evil good. Isaiah 5:20)
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To: NCDave

[I wonder if this kid is actually from Texas, or himself an illegal invader...]

Article says he’s a US Citizen...but should he be charged or given a medal?


17 posted on 04/16/2012 11:49:41 AM PDT by bjorn14 (Woe to those who call good evil and evil good. Isaiah 5:20)
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To: NCDave

I’m guessing he is an anchor baby because he’s described as a citizen but his family was” threatened” (probably with being turned in) which is why he was driving the van.


18 posted on 04/16/2012 11:50:46 AM PDT by liberalh8ter (If Barack has a memory like a steel trap, why can't he remember what the Constitution says?)
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To: ClearCase_guy

So you feel that Mexico was justified when they decided to wipe out the majority of the population of Texas in their campaign against the rebels in 1835?


19 posted on 04/16/2012 11:58:32 AM PDT by JerseyanExile
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To: donhunt

No, he is a black Caucasian...well, at least a black-hearted something or other. All I know is that he is black and white and red all over.


20 posted on 04/16/2012 12:00:18 PM PDT by RipSawyer
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To: livius
When you have to flee the country because of Obama’s brownshirts, I hope the Mexicans give you a break and don’t say ugly things like what you have said.

I've got bad news for you, buddy - lots of Mexicans already say that kind of stuff about the gringos. And that includes a lot that were born here. On the other hand, a lot don't say stuff like that. Spin the wheel and take your chances.
21 posted on 04/16/2012 12:03:01 PM PDT by fr_freak
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To: fr_freak

There has historically been tension between the US and Mexico. Don’t forget that we invaded Mexico, and among their national heroes are six cadets who leaped off a tower rather than be captured by the Americans...and that a number of Irish Americans defected to the Mexican side.

But in practice, most Mexicans, once you get south of the border areas, just want to have a functioning country and are fine with Americans as long as Americans don’t do what the German tourists do (snap their fingers and yell “wapido, wapido” - rapido, rapido with a German accent - at the waiters).

But I do think we have to remember this. Going to another country can sometimes be a matter of survival, whether economic or political (and a lot of these illegals in vans are not Mexicans, incidentally), and I thought the comments on this thread were disgusting.


22 posted on 04/16/2012 12:12:33 PM PDT by livius
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To: JerseyanExile
The word "justified" is not something I would use.

I think that when nations are at war, bad things happen and people get hurt. Nothing new there. It's been going on for thousands of years.

I would say that it is only in the past century or so that people have decided that wars shouldn't involve pain or suffering. We should have nice wars and try to get our enemies to like us. This is why we haven't really won a war since 1945.

I really do see illegal immigrants as an invading army. It really does bother me that these invading soldiers do not wear uniforms.

Was Mexico "justified" in killing Texans in 1835? I don't even know what that means. All I know is that Mexico behaved in a standard way as it tried to claim land where other people lived. It's the way of the world. The United States is foolish for getting into that arena but trying to play the game in accordance with polite little rules that no one else wants to follow.

23 posted on 04/16/2012 12:12:48 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Like Emmett Till, Trayvon Martin has become simply a stick with which to beat Whites.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Lucy Moreno, 33, places stuffed bears on a memorial set up at the site of a one-vehicle crash that killed nine
immigrants in Palmview, Texas, Wednesday, April 11, 2012. Moreno is an employee at Kids Rock Learning
Academy which sits across the street from where the accident occurred. The immigrants were killed in the
single vehicle accident late Tuesday night. The accident occurred a few block from where U.S. Border Patrol
units attempted to stop the vehicle. Six other passengers in the van were injured. Photo: Jerry Lara, San
Antonio Express-News / © San Antonio Express-News

After a press conference by Palmview Police, media members photograph a van involved in an accident that
killed nine illegal immigrants in Palmview, Texas , Wednesday, April 11, 2012. The immigrants were killed in
the single vehicle accident late Tuesday night. The accident occurred a few block from where U.S. Border Patrol
units attempted to the stop vehicle. Six other passengers in the van were injured. The van was towed to
a wrecker service lot. Photo: Jerry Lara, San Antonio Express-News / © San Antonio Express-News

24 posted on 04/16/2012 12:29:57 PM PDT by deport (.............God Bless Texas............)
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To: deport

For sale, used van. Fixer upper. Seats 17.


25 posted on 04/16/2012 12:36:02 PM PDT by 21twelve
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To: Free ThinkerNY

An accident is not murder. Most of the people in politics are crazy now.


26 posted on 04/16/2012 12:38:37 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

A judge in Dallas was reported to be in tears when he sentenced a teen killer... I wonder if the judge will cry over the poor baby this time?


27 posted on 04/16/2012 12:39:34 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: livius
There has historically been tension between the US and Mexico. Don’t forget that we invaded Mexico...

We did, indeed, and, as with all wars, we can argue all day over who started the conflict. However, none of that is really relevant now, because, in my personal experience, those Mexicans who hate the gringos do not do so out of some lingering resentment from the Mexican-American War. Heck, other than saying "the gringos stole our land!" most don't know enough of the history of that long-gone conflict to cite it as a cause for hatred. No, they hate gringos because the racial grievance industry tells them to. It is so wonderful to be able to blame some other people for all of your own failings, or the failings of your people as a whole.

Add to that the fact that Mexico is a poor, corrupt, narco state that practically forces their own people to emigrate to make a living. However, they know crossing the border illegally is wrong. After all, Mexico, itself, does not tolerate illegal immigrants on its southern border, and deals with them quite harshly. However, if you very much want to go from your poor, corrupt country into a rich, somewhat less-corrupt country and milk it for everything, but you need to assuage your conscience while doing so, the easiest way is to claim some legitimate grievance that justifies your crime: "We didn't cross the border, the border crossed us! The gringos stole our land! We're just taking it back!" But really they are just ginning up ethnic and national tensions to justify their own illegal behavior.
28 posted on 04/16/2012 12:41:30 PM PDT by fr_freak
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To: familyop
An accident is not murder. Most of the people in politics are crazy now.

But what if you are committing a crime and are driving it overloaded? I consider deaths caused because someone didn't see a red light different from those caused by a bank robber while fleeing the police running that same red light.

29 posted on 04/16/2012 12:43:55 PM PDT by KarlInOhio (You only have three billion heartbeats in a lifetime.How many does the government claim as its own?)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

It does not matter b/c the MSM has the meme down.

No matter the ethnicity it will now be a “white” [whatever] killed a [insert pc group here] and therefore we need [x] law.


30 posted on 04/16/2012 12:45:47 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Dallas59

And I blame the USA for enforcing some of the laws some of the time which encourages illegals to cross the border in search of more money.


31 posted on 04/16/2012 12:51:17 PM PDT by winodog
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To: livius
But I do think we have to remember this. Going to another country can sometimes be a matter of survival, whether economic or political (and a lot of these illegals in vans are not Mexicans, incidentally), and I thought the comments on this thread were disgusting.

It is tragic that these people died. They in no way deserved death for the crime of crossing the border illegally.

However, the situation on the border, where people are illegally crossing by the millions makes such deaths inevitable, and people live outside the law and flee the police. If we want to prevent such needless death, the best way to go about it is to control the border.

32 posted on 04/16/2012 12:52:15 PM PDT by Haiku Guy ("The problem with Internet Quotes is that you never know if they are real" -- Abraham Lincoln)
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"But what if you are committing a crime and are driving it overloaded?"

Then you're committing a crime and are driving it overloaded.


33 posted on 04/16/2012 12:55:06 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Kind of a stretch for felony murder, at least in the spirit of the law, but certainly manslaughter.


34 posted on 04/16/2012 12:56:55 PM PDT by Darren McCarty (The Republican Party is bigger than the presidency)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Isn’t 15 too young to drive in the U.S.?
Why is this our problem now? Cant we send the mexican supspect along with the mexican bodies back to mehico?


35 posted on 04/16/2012 1:00:50 PM PDT by ▀udda▀udd
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To: familyop
Deaths that occur directly because of a felony someone is committing, even accidental deaths, can (and often will) be charged as murder.

If you and I go into a store with the intent of armed robbery and I am shot dead - you could be charged with my murder - even though I was shot by the store owner.

36 posted on 04/16/2012 1:04:54 PM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send GOP to DC to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
said the teen told the judge that if he didn’t drive the van they were going to kill his family.

Wanna bet he and his family are all illegal and have a long history of drugs and human smuggling. Lock 'em all up or ship 'em back, either way.

37 posted on 04/16/2012 1:16:17 PM PDT by bgill
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To: ├čudda├čudd

From the Texas Dept. of Public Safety:

http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/DriverLicense/ApplyforLicense.htm

XXXXXX

Under age 18:

A learner license to drive allows a beginning driver to operate a vehicle with someone in the front seat that is 21 years of age or older and holds a valid license. The minimum legal driving age in Texas is 15 years of age. Please refer to the Teen Driver information for additional requirements.
XXXXXX

A hardship license allowing 15 y.o. kids to drive are not as common as they used to be, but are still seen in rural communities for kids who work on the farm or drive long miles to get to and from school.


38 posted on 04/16/2012 1:27:49 PM PDT by roostercashews
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I suspect the driver’s family was here illegally, and was thus susceptable to threats by organized crime figures involved in the human smuggling business. Since they live outside the law, they cannot go to the police when they are threatened, and are thus at the mercy of these thugs.

Reason #5612 to control the border.


39 posted on 04/16/2012 1:41:19 PM PDT by Haiku Guy ("The problem with Internet Quotes is that you never know if they are real" -- Abraham Lincoln)
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To: BCW; Truth29; ClearCase_guy
BCW, your remark showing a sort of satisfaction for the deaths of nine human beings is a challenge. It's always a little hard to determine whether a person is trying to project a certain keyboard machismo by expressing only half-intended rhetorical brutality, or displaying a genuine depraved indifference to human life.

So, which is it? I'd like to know.

And don't come back at me as if I'm "soft on illegal immigration." I am a long-time advocate for strict enforcement, such as the Arizona and Alabama laws. But illegal immigration -- invasion --- while immoral and unlawful, is neither a capital crime nor an act of war.

40 posted on 04/16/2012 1:46:22 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("As it is written, the name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles because of you." Romans 2:24)
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To: livius
I agree: the loose brutal talk is disgusting.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2872809/posts?page=40#40

41 posted on 04/16/2012 1:54:04 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("As it is written, the name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles because of you." Romans 2:24)
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To: bjorn14

Did I miss something? I didn’t see he’s a US Citizen only a “South Texas Boy”...that could be anything.


42 posted on 04/16/2012 2:10:04 PM PDT by YouGoTexasGirl
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Charged with murder, like he went on a rampage or something.


43 posted on 04/16/2012 2:14:22 PM PDT by King Moonracer (Bad lighting and cheap fabric, that's how you sell clothing.....)
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To: bjorn14

Reading your post and then your tagline, I’m overwhelmed at the irony of it all.....


44 posted on 04/16/2012 2:41:27 PM PDT by Uriah_lost (Is there no balm in Gilead?....MiE (Mainer in Exile))
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To: bjorn14

Reading your post and then your tagline, I’m overwhelmed at the irony of it all.....


45 posted on 04/16/2012 2:41:47 PM PDT by Uriah_lost (Is there no balm in Gilead?....MiE (Mainer in Exile))
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To: Pecos

It depends on whether it is in the commission of a felony.


46 posted on 04/16/2012 2:43:35 PM PDT by Uriah_lost (Is there no balm in Gilead?....MiE (Mainer in Exile))
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To: fr_freak
No, they hate gringos because the racial grievance industry tells them to. It is so wonderful to be able to blame some other people for all of your own failings, or the failings of your people as a whole.

No, the underclass Mexicans hate the gringos for the same reason that the black underclass hates the white middle class: because the gringos can produce things by their efforts that people will freely pay money for, and the underclass members can't. Because they know in their souls that they are inferior and there's nothing they can do to change that.

47 posted on 04/16/2012 2:48:57 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 (In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act. - George Orwell)
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To: fr_freak

Very good post. America is the dumping ground for the paleface Euro-Mexican elites who are overjoyed to see their crude illiterate Indians and semi-Indian Mestizos stream into America. Everyday they laugh themselves to sleep at the stupid gringos allowing themselves to be invaded.


48 posted on 04/16/2012 2:51:50 PM PDT by dennisw
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To: PapaBear3625

papabear!!!!


49 posted on 04/16/2012 2:52:58 PM PDT by dennisw
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To: YouGoTexasGirl

Did I miss something? I didn’t see he’s a US Citizen only a “South Texas Boy”...that could be anything.


“We have a 15-year-old in custody that has been transferred to the Hidalgo County juvenile facility,” said Palmview Police Cmdr. Lenny Sanchez.

The teenager, a U.S. citizen, faces state charges, Sanchez said. Police will release more information in a news conference Monday morning.

http://www.chron.com/news/article/7-arrested-in-deadly-Valley-crash-3480630.php#photo-2806780


50 posted on 04/16/2012 3:01:45 PM PDT by deport (.............God Bless Texas............)
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