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Ted Nugent Stumps for Mitt Romney at NRA Convention: “Chop their heads off in November” (VIDEO)
Right Wing Watch ^ | Josh Glasstetter

Posted on 04/17/2012 6:31:51 AM PDT by Beaten Valve

Washed up rocker and reality TV star Ted Nugent appeared at the NRA’s national convention in St. Louis. Nugent, a longtime NRA board member and regular presence at conventions, rallied the NRA faithful on Saturday to vote for Mitt Romney: “Your goal should be to get a couple thousand, per person who’s here, to vote for Mitt Romney in November.”

Nugent called President Obama a criminal and denounced his “vile, evil America-hating administration” which is “wiping its ass with the Constitution.” Taking it a step further, he said that “If Barack Obama becomes the president in November, again, I will either be dead or in jail by this time next year.” “If you can’t galvanize and promote and recruit people to vote for Mitt Romney, we’re done,” he continued.

Supreme Court justices also came under assault by Nugent, who claims that the court’s more liberal members have signed a declaration against Americans’ right to self-defense: “We’ve got four Supreme Court justices who don’t believe in the Constitution. Does everyone here know that four of the Supreme Court justices not only determined you don’t have the right to keep and bear arms, four Supreme Court justices signed their name to a declaration that Americans have no fundamental right to self-defense.” Nugent concluded with a call to cut off the heads of Democrats in November: “We need to ride into that battlefield and chop their heads off in November. Any questions?”


TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Missouri
KEYWORDS: 2012; banglist; democrats; election; nra; obama
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1 posted on 04/17/2012 6:32:03 AM PDT by Beaten Valve
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To: Beaten Valve

I am still not getting why Nugent is supporting Romney the gun grabber.


2 posted on 04/17/2012 6:34:12 AM PDT by svcw (If one living cell on another planet is life, why isn't it life in the womb?)
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To: svcw

Less of two evils I guess. People are going to have to lie to get tis turd elected.


3 posted on 04/17/2012 6:35:32 AM PDT by Sybeck1 (If Romney needs my vote to win Mississippi, he is in a heck of a lot trouble more than me.)
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To: svcw
I am still not getting why Nugent is supporting Romney the gun grabber.

Because he's not going to support Obama.

4 posted on 04/17/2012 6:35:37 AM PDT by Drew68
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To: svcw

Just like the rest of us “old timers”, senility slowly eats away at our brains. Some faster than others.

I think Ted has gone “soft” in more way than one.


5 posted on 04/17/2012 6:36:55 AM PDT by DH (Once the tainted finger of government touches anything the rot begins)
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To: Beaten Valve

Romney is anti-gun


6 posted on 04/17/2012 6:37:46 AM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: svcw

Either way, I still love “Uncle Ted”.


7 posted on 04/17/2012 6:38:19 AM PDT by fellowgeek (To geek or not to geek.)
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To: Beaten Valve
Washed up rocker and reality TV star Ted Nugent

Isn't that special how the author chooses to describe someone more successful than he.

Since he still makes paid performances in concert, how is he washed up?

8 posted on 04/17/2012 6:38:57 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: Sybeck1

That is true, they have sold their conservatism vry cheaply to support a far left liberal with an R after his name.


9 posted on 04/17/2012 6:39:03 AM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: Beaten Valve
“If Barack Obama becomes the president in November, again, I will either be dead or in jail by this time next year.”

Yeah, sure Ted...

10 posted on 04/17/2012 6:41:33 AM PDT by stormer
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To: svcw

Ted Nugent Endorses Mitt Romney Only After Gun Pledge
http://chicagoist.com/2012/03/07/ted_nugent_mitt_romney_obama.php

He talked to Romney by phone while he was at a sporting goods store in Michigan “celebrating the orgy of guns and ammos and bows and arrows and camouflage clothing and hunting and fishing and outdoor family supplies.”

Before endorsing him, Nugent demanded that Romney pledge there would be no new gun laws or restrictions on Second Amendment rights in his administration. Romney obliged. Nugent also warned Romney about the “out of control” U.S. Fish & Wildlife Service.


11 posted on 04/17/2012 6:42:11 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: svcw
I am still not getting why Nugent is supporting Romney the gun grabber.

Faster and More Furious, look at the options.


12 posted on 04/17/2012 6:42:11 AM PDT by USS Alaska (Nuke the terrorists savages.)
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To: Beaten Valve

It looks like you people won’t have any heroes left ...


13 posted on 04/17/2012 6:42:39 AM PDT by altura
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To: Beaten Valve

Treat ‘em like a Massachusetts fetus!

Oh, wait . . .

Something wrong with that picture.


14 posted on 04/17/2012 6:42:50 AM PDT by Psalm 144 ("I'm not willing to light my hair on fire to try and get support. I am who I am." - Willard M Romney)
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To: Beaten Valve

Do we not like the Nuge now?


15 posted on 04/17/2012 6:43:04 AM PDT by stuartcr ("When silence speaks, it speaks only to those that have already decided what they want to hear.")
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To: Beaten Valve

NRA members skeptical of Romney on guns, prefer Gingrich

http://youtu.be/7e2EXYNTakY


16 posted on 04/17/2012 6:43:40 AM PDT by Marguerite (When I'm good, I am very, very good. But! When I'm bad, I'm even better)
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To: Beaten Valve
Nugent concluded with a call to cut off the heads of Democrats in November: “We need to ride into that battlefield and chop their heads off in November. Any questions?”

Yes. Are you going to get under the bus voluntarily or are you going to wait for Mitt to throw you under it?

17 posted on 04/17/2012 6:43:55 AM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Texas Eagle)
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To: thackney
"Since he still makes paid performances in concert, how is he washed up?

Ted can STILL draw a crowd!

18 posted on 04/17/2012 6:46:59 AM PDT by moovova
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To: thackney

Unfortunately you can’t beleive anything Romney says, when he changes his mind again, he will just say he didn’t say or do what people are saying he said or did.


19 posted on 04/17/2012 6:48:13 AM PDT by svcw (If one living cell on another planet is life, why isn't it life in the womb?)
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To: stuartcr

After today, ‘we’ won’t like Michele Bachmann either.


20 posted on 04/17/2012 6:48:32 AM PDT by altura
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To: Beaten Valve

“Washed up rocker”? Severe douche alert. Nugent is hardly washed up. In fact he is still touring to this day (he’s on tour this summer as a matter of fact). In fact he was quite active through Damn Yankees, a super group that had some big hits.

The author is a dick.


21 posted on 04/17/2012 6:51:22 AM PDT by Peter from Rutland
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To: Beaten Valve

Any one who wonders what the connection between Nugent and Romney is, should simply check if they are both Mormons.

Nugent is way off base here , supporting Romney the gun grabber.


22 posted on 04/17/2012 6:51:36 AM PDT by Candor7 (Obama fascist info....http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html)
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To: svcw

I am not a Mitt Romney supporter.

But on this issue, he has not used a lot of weasel words.

http://www.mittromney.com/issues/gun-rights

I suspect he know he doesn’t have a chance otherwise.


23 posted on 04/17/2012 6:53:48 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: svcw

Ted believes BHO has got to go. So do I and also the 14 GOP senators (including the 2 cretins from GA) who voted for SB 1813 restricting travel if you owe income taxes.


24 posted on 04/17/2012 6:55:58 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: GeronL

That’s what is so confusing about Nugent’s position - Romney is anti-gun.


25 posted on 04/17/2012 6:58:02 AM PDT by SatinDoll (No Foreign Nationals as our President!)
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To: altura
After today, ‘we’ won’t like Michele Bachmann either.

You ain't seen nothin' yet. Wait till Palin endorses Romney in Tampa. This place is going to go in to full meltdown mode.

26 posted on 04/17/2012 6:59:31 AM PDT by Drew68
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To: Beaten Valve

The Nuge is a Mittbot?!

Sweaty Teddy the RINO. No longer welcome.


27 posted on 04/17/2012 6:59:44 AM PDT by brownsfan (Aldous Huxley and Mike Judge were right.)
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To: stuartcr
Do we not like the Nuge now?

Yeah, shortly not many to still like around here huh? :)

28 posted on 04/17/2012 7:01:50 AM PDT by billva
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To: altura

You are obviously a noob from the Romney campaign!

/s


29 posted on 04/17/2012 7:02:40 AM PDT by icwhatudo (Tax codes and spending don't get 14 year olds pregnant and on welfare. Morality Matters.)
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To: stuartcr

“Do we not like the Nuge now?”

You got it. Nuge = RINO = persona non grata.


30 posted on 04/17/2012 7:03:53 AM PDT by brownsfan (Aldous Huxley and Mike Judge were right.)
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To: SatinDoll

He also got “pro-life” endorsements... boggles the mind

pro-choice in ‘94; pro-life in ‘01; choice ‘02; pro-life ‘04; choice ‘05; life in ‘06; then funded abortion in ‘06


31 posted on 04/17/2012 7:04:02 AM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: svcw
I am still not getting why Nugent is supporting Romney the gun grabber.

Because Nugent gets it. Like the rest of us, he knows Romney is a liar and a flip flopper and has a liberal past from MA. But he's also smart enough to know the stakes of another obama term so he's willing to hold his feet to the fire once he's elected. Unlike obama, Romney won't get a pass to do what he wants - wrong skin color.

32 posted on 04/17/2012 7:05:27 AM PDT by jersey117 (The Stepford Media should be sued for malpractice)
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To: altura

heroes?

A drugged out rocker who probably bopped a thousand underage girls is a hero??


33 posted on 04/17/2012 7:05:55 AM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: altura
After today, ‘we’ won’t like Michele Bachmann either.

Wait till they have to throw Palin under the bus. There is going to be a meltdown of epic proportions for many people here who don't understand that virtually ALL the conservative standard bearers are going to endorse, support and campaign for Willard. Not because they necessarily like him, but because they want to defeat Hussein.

34 posted on 04/17/2012 7:07:26 AM PDT by Longbow1969
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To: svcw

Unfortunately you can’t beleive anything Romney says

That may be true but I will hold my nose and vote because another 4 years with Obama will be a tragedy I don’t want to witness. If Romney doesn’t cut it - he will be out his next term. I think the stakes are so high nowadays, conservatives aren’t going to cut much slack but that’s just MO.


35 posted on 04/17/2012 7:07:48 AM PDT by Bitsy
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To: thackney

Romney supported the Brady Bill and established a state AWB after the federal one expired.

...

His pro-life credentials are just as bad:

pro-choice in ‘94; pro-life in ‘01; choice ‘02; pro-life ‘04; choice ‘05; life in ‘06; then funded abortion in ‘06


36 posted on 04/17/2012 7:07:59 AM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: stuartcr

Apparently - at least according to some. It’s much easier when you’ve got someone else to tell you how to think.


37 posted on 04/17/2012 7:08:34 AM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: billva

It’s the Tea Party’s quickest route to extinction. Be shocked at every conservative who is anti-Obama, declare them non-existent, then be shocked to find they have no base left. Brilliant!!!!


38 posted on 04/17/2012 7:09:11 AM PDT by Hegewisch Dupa
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To: altura

By “heroes” you didn’t mean Romney... right? /jk


39 posted on 04/17/2012 7:09:42 AM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: Sybeck1
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40 posted on 04/17/2012 7:10:27 AM PDT by baddog 219
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To: SatinDoll

“That’s what is so confusing about Nugent’s position - Romney is anti-gun.”

People are desperate. Desperate to the point they can’t see the game of ‘heads they win, tails we lose’.


41 posted on 04/17/2012 7:11:05 AM PDT by Psalm 144 ("I'm not willing to light my hair on fire to try and get support. I am who I am." - Willard M Romney)
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To: Beaten Valve

Ted Nugent, Bill Cosby, Jim DeMint, etc, etc, etc, all good men mislead by the "facts" presented to them. If any of them visited this forum regularly, their eyes would be opened.


42 posted on 04/17/2012 7:11:05 AM PDT by so_real ( "The Congress of the United States recommends and approves the Holy Bible for use in all schools.")
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To: GeronL
No argument from. This is just one more issue of flip-flops.

But I believe this is what Ted Nugent required Romney to say before he would voice his support. And I suspect whatever Romney believes himself, he knows he could not get through the republican primary saying anything different.

43 posted on 04/17/2012 7:12:38 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: Beaten Valve
Romney signs off on permanent assault weapons ban

"Deadly assault weapons have no place in Massachusetts," Romney said, at a bill signing ceremony on July 1..."These guns are not made for recreation or self-defense. They are instruments of destruction with the sole purpose of hunting down and killing people."

The Second Amendment

"A well regulated Militia, being NECESSARY to the security of a free State, the RIGHT of the people to keep and bear Arms, SHALL NOT be infringed."

Case closed.

Nugent, you can go pound sand.

44 posted on 04/17/2012 7:14:46 AM PDT by EternalVigilance ('Throw all the bums out.' It's not a slogan. It's the survival of the republic.)
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To: Peter from Rutland
In fact he was quite active through Damn Yankees, a super group that had some big hits.

Yes, Damn Yankees did have some big hits. But their last album came out in 1992. For those of you in Rio Linda, that would be 20 years ago.
45 posted on 04/17/2012 7:15:02 AM PDT by drjimmy
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To: Drew68

Q: I am still not getting why Nugent is supporting Romney the gun grabber.

A: Because he’s not going to support Obama.

Correct.

One can’t do everything in their power to Bash Romney and then still claim to want Obama to be defeated. Those opposing positiions are not possible.


46 posted on 04/17/2012 7:17:31 AM PDT by citizen (Romney doubters: Better check your Obama yard sign. The neighbor dog just took a leak on it...again.)
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To: Drew68

“You ain’t seen nothin’ yet. Wait till Palin endorses Romney in Tampa. This place is going to go in to full meltdown mode.”

When she recently said she was for ABO, there was a thread here to the effect that “Sarah Palin Is An Idiot”, with minimal objection as I recall. RDS knows no limits.


47 posted on 04/17/2012 7:17:54 AM PDT by Magic Fingers (Political correctness mutates in order to remain virulent.)
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To: Beaten Valve

SAMUEL ADAMS:

“Among the natural rights of the Colonists are these: First, a right to life; Secondly, to liberty; Thirdly, to property; together with the right to support and defend them in the best manner they can. … it is the greatest absurdity to suppose it in the power of one, or any number of men, at entering into society, to renounce their essential natural rights, or the means of preserving those rights; when the grand end of civil government, from the very nature of its institution, is for the support, protection, and defense of those very rights; the principal of which, as is before observed, are Life, Liberty, and Property. If men, through fear, fraud, or mistake, should in terms renounce or give up any essential natural right, the eternal law of reason and the grand end of society would absolutely vacate such renunciation. The right to freedom being the gift of God Almighty, it is not in the power of man to alienate this gift and voluntarily become a slave.” – The Rights of the Colonists (November 20, 1772)

“The said Constitution [shall] be never construed to authorize Congress to infringe the just liberty of the press, or the rights of conscience; or to prevent the people of the United States, who are peaceable citizens, from keeping their own arms; or to raise standing armies, unless necessary for the defense of the United States, or of some one or more of them.” – Debates & Proceedings in the Convention of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts (February 6, 1788)

“The Militia is composed of free citizens. There is therefore no danger of their making use of their power to the destruction of their own Rights, or suffering others to invade them.”

“... whereas, to preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of the people always possess arms, and be taught alike, especially when young, how to use them...” – Constitutional Debates of the Massachusetts Convention of 1788 (also attributed to A Federal Farmer, the anti-federalist)

GEORGE WASHINGTON:

“To be prepared for war is one of the most effectual means of preserving peace. A free people ought not only to be armed, but disciplined; to which end a uniform and well-digested plan is requisite; and their safety and interest require that they should promote such manufactories as tend to render them independent of others for essential, particularly military, supplies.” – First Annual Message to Congress; Federal Hall, New York City (January 8, 1790)

THOMAS JEFFERSON:

“The laws that forbid the carrying of arms...disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes. Can it be supposed that those who have the courage to violate the most sacred laws of humanity...will respect the less important and arbitrary ones... Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants, they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man.” – quoted from Enlightenment philosopher Cesare Beccaria’s On Crimes and Punishment, 1764; translated by Jefferson and copied into his Commonplace Book of great quotations.

“No freeman shall be debarred the use of arms [within his own lands or tenements].” – Draft Constitution for Virginia; June 13, 1776 (brackets in Jefferson’s original)

“Every able bodied freeman, between the ages of 16 and 50, is enrolled in the militia. … The law requires every militia-man to provide himself with the arms usual in the regular service.” – Notes on the State of Virginia, written by Jefferson, published in 1781, updated in 1782

“A strong body makes the mind strong. As to the species of exercises, I advise the gun. While this gives moderate exercise to the body, it gives boldness, enterprise and independence to the mind. Games played with the ball and others of that nature, are too violent for the body and stamp no character on the mind. Let your gun therefore be the constant companion of your walks.” – letter to nephew Peter Carr (August 19, 1785)

“What country before, every existed a century and a half without a rebellion? And what country can preserve its liberties, if its rulers are not warned from time to time, that his people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. … What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is its natural manure.” – letter to Colonel William S. Smith, Paris (November 13, 1787)

“I enclose you a list of the killed, wounded, and captives of the enemy from the commencement of hostilities at Lexington in April, 1775, until November, 1777, since which there has been no event of any consequence... I think that upon the whole it has been about one half the number lost by them, in some instances more, but in others less. This difference is ascribed to our superiority in taking aim when we fire; every soldier in our army having been intimate with his gun from his infancy.” – letter to Giovanni Fabbroni (June 8, 1788)

“…the governor [is] constitutionally the commander of the militia of the State, that is to say, of every man in it able to bear arms…”. – letter to Destutt de Tracy (January 26, 1811)

“On every question of construction [of the Constitution] let us carry ourselves back to the time when the Constitution was adopted, recollect the spirit manifested in the debates, and instead of trying what meaning may be squeezed out of the text, or invent against it, conform to the probable one in which it was passed.” – letter to William Johnson (June 12, 1823)

“The constitutions of most of our States assert, that all power is inherent in the people; that they may exercise it by themselves, in all cases to which they think themselves competent, (as in electing their functionaries executive and legislative, and deciding by a jury of themselves, in all judiciary cases in which any fact is involved) or they may act by representatives, freely and equally chosen; that it is their right and duty to be at all times armed; that they are entitled to freedom of person, freedom of religion, freedom of property, and freedom of the press.” – letter to Major John Cartwright (June 5, 1824)

THOMAS PAINE:

“The supposed quietude of a good man allures the ruffian; while on the other hand, arms like laws discourage and keep the invader and the plunderer in awe, and preserve order in the world as well as property. The same balance would be preserved were all the world destitute of arms, for all would be alike; but since some will not, others dare not lay them aside … Horrid mischief would ensue were one half the world deprived of the use of them …”. – Thoughts On Defensive War, 1775

“...in this country, every man is a militia-man...”. – The American Crisis series, # 9, dated June 9, 1780

PATRICK HENRY:

“...who are the militia, if they be not the people of this country...? I ask, who are the militia? They consist now of the whole people, except a few public officers.”

“No free government was ever founded or ever preserved its liberty, without uniting the characters of the citizen and soldier in those destined for the defense of the state.... Such are a well regulated militia, composed of the freeholders, citizen and husbandman, who take up arms to preserve their property, as individuals, and their rights as freemen.”

“The great object is that every man be armed. Everyone who is able may have a gun.” – from debates during the Constitutional convention (later quoted with approval by George Washington), as quoted in Elliot’s Debates, 1836

“That the people have a Right to mass and to bear arms; that a well regulated militia composed of the Body of the people, trained to arms, is the proper natural and safe defense of a free state...”

“Have we no means of resisting disciplined armies, when our only defense, the militia, is put in the hands of Congress? Of what service would the militia be to you when, most probably, you will not have a single musket in the state? For, as arms are to be provided by Congress, they may or may not provide them.”

“They tell us, Sir, that we are weak...but when shall we be stronger? Will it be when we are totally disarmed?

Three millions of People, armed in the holy cause of liberty, and in such a country as that which we possess, are invincible by any force which our enemy can send against us.” – The War Inevitable; speech to the Virginia assembly, March, 1775

“...a well regulated militia, composed of gentlemen and yeomen, is the natural strength and only security of a free government.”

“Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect everyone who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are ruined.” (in the Virginia ratifying convention)

JOHN ADAMS:

“To suppose arms in the hands of citizens, to be used at individual discretion, except in private self-defense...is a dissolution of the government.” – A Defense of the Constitutions of the Government of the United States of America, 1788, questioning the utility of private arms for the defense of the State but accepting the private right of self defense.

“Arms in the hands of citizens [may] be used at individual discretion… in private self-defense …” – A Defense of the Constitutions of the Government of the United States of America (1788)

“Here, every private person is authorized to arm himself, and on the strength of this authority, I do not deny the inhabitants had a right to arm themselves at that time, for their defense, not for offense...”. – opening statement as defense counsel for British soldiers on trial for the Boston Massacre in 1770; from the Legal Papers of John Adams, Butterfield and Zobel; 1965

JAMES MADISON:

“Let a regular army, fully equal to the resources of the country, be formed; and let it be entirely at the devotion of the federal government; still it would not be going too far to say, that the State governments, with the people on their side, would be able to repel the danger. The highest number to which, according to the best computation, a standing army can be carried in any country, does not exceed one hundredth part of the whole number of souls; or one twenty-fifth part of the number able to bear arms. This proportion would not yield, in the United States, an army of more than twenty-five or thirty thousand men. To these would be opposed a militia amounting to near half a million of citizens with arms in their hands, officered by men chosen from among themselves, fighting for their common liberties, and united and conducted by governments possessing their affections and confidence. It may well be doubted, whether a militia thus circumstanced could ever be conquered by such a proportion of regular troops. Those who are best acquainted with the last successful resistance of this country against the British arms, will be most inclined to deny the possibility of it. Besides the advantage of being armed, which the Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation, the existence of subordinate governments, to which the people are attached, and by which the militia officers are appointed, forms a barrier against the enterprises of ambition, more insurmountable than any which a simple government of any form can admit of. Notwithstanding the military establishments in the several kingdoms of Europe, which are carried as far as the public resources will bear, the governments are afraid to trust the people with arms. And it is not certain, that with this aid alone they would not be able to shake off their yokes. But were the people to possess the additional advantages of local governments chosen by themselves, who could collect the national will and direct the national force, and of officers appointed out of the militia, by these governments, and attached both to them and to the militia, it may be affirmed with the greatest assurance, that the throne of every tyranny in Europe would be speedily overturned in spite of the legions which surround it. Let us not insult the free and gallant citizens of America with the suspicion, that they would be less able to defend the rights of which they would be in actual possession, than the debased subjects of arbitrary power would be to rescue theirs from the hands of their oppressors.” – Federalist # 46

“[A] government resting on a minority is an aristocracy, not a Republic, and could not be safe with a numerical and physical force against it, without a standing army, an enslaved press, and a disarmed populace.”

JAMES MONROE:

“...the loyalists in the beginning of the late war, who objected to associating, arming and fighting, in defense of our liberties, because these measures were not constitutional. A free people should always be left... with every possible power to promote their own happiness.”

ALEXANDER HAMILTON:

“If the representatives of the people betray their constituents, there is then no recourse left but in the exertion of that original right of self defense which is paramount to all positive forms of government.” – Federalist # 28

“Little more can reasonably be aimed at with respect to the people at large than to have them properly armed and equipped...” – Federalist # 29

Further in Federalist #29, Hamilton discusses militias and standing armies in detail. He argues against a formal standing army recommending “...an excellent body of well trained militia ready to take the field whenever the defense of the State shall require it. This will not only lessen the call for military establishments, but if circumstances should at any time oblige the government to form an army of any magnitude, that army can never be formidable to the liberties of the people while there is a large body of citizens, little if at all inferior to them in discipline and the use of arms who stand ready to defend their own rights and those of their fellow citizens.” If Hamilton expected the militia to be able to stand up to and oppose the regular army, if necessary, with what would they be expected to fight, if not their own arms? That entire exposition, assuming that people would always possess their own weapons with which they could defend the People’s liberties against any formal “military establishment” of the State which might turn tyrannical, clearly shows that the idea of disarming the people was so foreign to their thinking, that they didn’t even consider it as a real possibility.

BENJAMIN FRANKLIN:

“Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote.”

GEORGE MASON:

(Virginia delegate to the Constitutional Convention of 1787, Delegate to the Virginia Constitutional Ratification Convention of 1788, helped Thomas Jefferson draft the Virginia Declaration of Rights which served as the basis for the U.S. Bill of Rights)

“[W]hen the resolution of enslaving America was formed in Great Britain, the British Parliament was advised by an artful man, who was governor of Pennsylvania, to disarm the people; that it was the best and most effectual way to enslave them; but that they should not do it openly, but weaken them, and let them sink gradually, by totally disusing and neglecting the militia.” – from debates during the Virginia state ratifying convention (June 14, 1788), quoted in Elliot’s Debates

“I ask, who are the militia? They consist now of the whole people, except a few public officers. But I cannot say who will be the militia of the future day. If that paper on the table gets no alteration, the militia of the future day may not consist of all classes, high and low, and rich and poor; but they may be confined to the lower and middle classes of the people, granting exclusion to the higher classes of the people. If we should ever see that day, the most ignominious punishments and heavy fines may be expected. Under the present government, all ranks of people are subject to militia duty. Under such a full and equal representation as ours, there can be no ignominious punishment inflicted. But under this national, or rather consolidated government, the case will be different. The representation being so small and inadequate, they will have no fellow-feeling for the people.” – from debates during the Virginia state ratifying convention (June 16, 1788), quoted in Elliot’s Debates

“That a well-regulated militia, composed of the body of the people trained to arms, is the proper, natural and safe defense of a free state...” – Virginia Declaration of Rights (drafted by Thomas Jefferson and George Mason, with others)

“Are we at last brought to such an humiliating and debasing degradation that we cannot be trusted with arms for our own defense? Where is the difference between having our arms under our own possession and under our own direction, and having them under the management of Congress? If our defense be the real object of having those arms, in whose hands can they be trusted with more propriety, or equal safety to us, as in our own hands?”

“Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect every one who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are ruined.... O sir, we should have fine times, indeed, if to punish tyrants, it were only sufficient to assemble the people!”

NOAH WEBSTER:

“The militia, who are in fact the effective part of the people at large, will render many troops quite unnecessary. They will form a powerful check upon the regular troops, and will generally be sufficient to over-awe them.” – An Examination of the Leading Principles of the Federal Constitution (October 17, 1787)

“Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed, as they are in almost every kingdom in Europe. The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword, because the whole body of the people are armed, and constitute a force superior to any band of regular troops that can be, on any pretense, raised in the United States. A military force, at the command of Congress, can execute no laws, but such as the people perceive to be just and constitutional; for they will possess the power, and jealousy will instantly inspire the inclination, to resist the execution of a law which appears to the unjust and oppressive.” – An Examination of the Leading Principles of the Federal Constitution (October 17, 1787)

RICHARD HENRY LEE:

(Fought under George Washington, introduced the motion leading to the Declaration of Independence, signer of the Declaration of Independence; an antifederalist, elected as Virginia delegate to the Constitutional convention and refused to serve, believing the convention was an improper body to consider the new Constitution; opposed the Constitution as not sufficiently protective of individual and State’s rights; U.S. Senator from Virginia and helped secure ratification of U.S. Bill of Rights)

“A militia when properly formed are in fact the people themselves...and include all men capable of bearing arms. The Constitution ought to secure a genuine militia and guard against a select militia, by providing that the militia shall always be kept well organized, armed, and disciplined, and include...all men capable of bearing arms. The mind that aims at a select militia, must be influenced by a truly anti-republican principle.” – Additional Letters From The Federal Farmer (1788)

“To preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of the people always possess arms and be taught alike, especially when young, how to use them.” – Letters From The Federal Farmer, # 18 (January 25, 1788)

“... of the liberty of conscience in matters of religious faith, of speech and of the press; of the trial by jury of the vicinage in civil and criminal cases; of the benefit of the writ of habeas corpus; of the right to keep and bear arms.... If these rights are well defined, and secured against encroachment, it is impossible that government should ever degenerate into tyranny.” – Letters from the Federal Farmer, # 53 (1788)

“That the people have a right to keep and bear arms; that a well-regulated militia, composed of the body of the people trained to arms, is the proper, natural and safe defense of a free state; that standing armies, in time of peace, are dangerous to liberty, and therefore ought to be avoided, as far as the circumstances and protection of the community will admit.” – proposed by the Virginia delegation to the Constitutional Convention (defining the phrase “well-regulated militia” which was used exactly in the final draft of the Second Amendment); and suggested in their state ratification debates, June 1788, to clarify the right.

ELBRIDGE GERRY:

(Massachusetts delegate to the Constitutional Convention of 1787; delegate to the Massachusetts Ratification Convention of 1788 [refused to agree to the Constitution]; Vice President during President James Madison’s second term, 1813 until his death in 1814)

“What, sir, is the use of militia? It is to prevent the establishment of a standing army, the bane of liberty. . . Whenever Government means to invade the rights and liberties of the people, they always attempt to destroy the militia, in order to raise a standing army upon its ruins.” – debate in the U.S. House of Representatives (August 17, 1789)

FISHER AMES:

(Delegate to the Massachusetts Constitutional Ratification Convention of 1788, and was later elected to the U.S. House of Representatives in 1789)

“The rights of conscience, of bearing arms, of changing the government, are declared to be inherent in the people.” – letter to F.R. Minoe (June 12, 1789)

SAMUEL BRYAN:

(Pennsylvania anti-federalist, wrote under the pseudonym “Centinel”)

“That the people have a right to bear arms for the defense of themselves and their own state, or the United States, or for the purpose of killing game; and no law shall be passed for disarming the people or any of them, unless for crimes committed, or real danger of public injury from individuals...”. – during debates on ratification of the Constitution in the Pennsylvania assembly

TENCH COXE:

(Prominent Federalist from Pennsylvania, published commentary under the pseudonym “An American Citizen”)

“The militia, who are in fact the effective part of the people at large, will render many troops quite unnecessary. They will form a powerful check upon the regular troops, and will generally be sufficient to over-awe them.” – An American Citizen (October 21,1787)

“Who are the militia? Are they not ourselves? Congress have no power to disarm the militia. Their swords and every other terrible implement of the soldier, are the birthright of an American . . . . The unlimited power of the sword is not in the hands of either the federal or state governments, but, where I trust in God it will ever remain, in the hands of the people.” – The Pennsylvania Gazette (February 20, 1788)

“As civil rulers, not having their duty to the people before them, may attempt to tyrannize, and as the military forces which must occasionally be raised to defend our country, might pervert their power to the injury of their fellow citizens, the people are confirmed by the next article (of amendment) in their right to keep and bear their private arms.” – Remarks on the First Part of the Amendments to the Federal Constitution; Federal Gazette, (June 18, 1789). Coxe sent a copy of his essay to James Madison along with a letter of the same date. Madison wrote back as follows, supporting the interpretation of the Second Amendment as an individual right: “Accept my acknowledgments for your favor of the 18th. instant. The printed remarks inclosed in it are already I find in the Gazettes here [New York] ... The amendments ... will however be greatly favored by explanatory strictures of a healing tendency, and is therefore already indebted to the co-operation of your pen.”

“The power of the sword is in the hands of Congress? My friends and countrymen, it is not so; for the powers of the sword are in the hands of the yeomanry of America from sixteen to sixty. The Militia of these free commonwealths, entitled and accustomed to their arms, when compared with any possible army, must be tremendous and irresistible. Who are the Militia? They are not ourselves as politicians and lawmakers. They are those who have elected us into our positions and entrusted us with the power of preserving and carrying out their wishes. Congress has no power to disarm the Militia. Their swords, and every other terrible implement of the soldier, are the birth-right of an American. The unlimited power of the sword is not in the hands of either the Federal or State governments, but, where I trust in God it will ever remain, in the hands of the people.” – letter to James Madison during adoption of the Bill of Rights in the United States Congress (1789)


48 posted on 04/17/2012 7:18:16 AM PDT by EternalVigilance ('Throw all the bums out.' It's not a slogan. It's the survival of the republic.)
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To: thackney

“I suspect he know he doesn’t have a chance otherwise.”

At least not now when still in Primaries and needs our votes, but what’ll it be after we get him elected????

Don’t think Mitt’ll be a gun grabber, but he won’t be a tough defender either. Our loss will be the same.


49 posted on 04/17/2012 7:21:06 AM PDT by X-spurt (Its time for ON YOUR FEET or on your knees)
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To: moovova

I’ll be at Uncle Ted’s concert this coming Saturday. I don’t care for Mittens but compared to the alternative I can see where Ted is coming from.


50 posted on 04/17/2012 7:22:07 AM PDT by tobyhill (Fight Fire With Fire)
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