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Police handcuff Ga. kindergartner for tantrum
Yahoo News ^ | April 17, 2011 | AP

Posted on 04/17/2012 7:22:38 AM PDT by Upstate NY Guy

Edited on 04/17/2012 8:23:20 AM PDT by Sidebar Moderator. [history]

MILLEDGEVILLE, Ga. (AP) Police in Georgia handcuffed a kindergartner after the girl threw a tantrum and the police chief defended the action.

The girl's family demanded Tuesday that this central Georgia city change policy so that other children aren't treated the same way. They say the child was shaken up by being put in a cell at the police station.


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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; US: Georgia
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To: hitchwolf

Did you forget the sarcasm tag? I find what you posted very hard to believe.


101 posted on 04/17/2012 8:36:28 AM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: Mrs. Don-o

You are correct and that is the right thing to do. But there is no indication that this is a special ed school. Teachers and administrative staff are NOT allowed to touch children.


102 posted on 04/17/2012 8:37:35 AM PDT by Nifster
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To: Responsibility2nd

Sounds like a personal problem.


103 posted on 04/17/2012 8:43:33 AM PDT by Upstate NY Guy
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To: Eleutheria5
they can’t break anything or hurt themselves such as a corner

LOL! If they were obedient to STAY in the corner they would have been obedient to stop when told to stop. A kid like this would not stay in a corner.

Hurt themselves? She hurt the teacher, is that OK as long as she didn't get hurt?

Stop with the race card, it's at a point it's a retard statement, IMO.

104 posted on 04/17/2012 8:45:34 AM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: AppyPappy

Really? Do you know the mother in this case??? You keep posting as if you do. Perhaps this is your child??? Then you ought to be ashamed of yourself....raising a wild animal like this.


105 posted on 04/17/2012 8:47:11 AM PDT by Nifster
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To: Eleutheria5

You are making some weird comments. The child was in a holding cell in the police station - not in jail with inmates!


106 posted on 04/17/2012 8:49:23 AM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: riverdawg

OK, this is exactly what should have happened after she knocked over the bookcase.

Call her mother—go find her mother—and have Mom remove her from school. That’s it. A parent’s responsibility.

Something similar happened with my son, once. I came and got him. It’s my job to punish him anyway, certainly not the police.

I mean, come on people, she’s six, for cryin’ out loud! There’s a huge difference between a six year old having a tantrum, even knocking stuff over, and Kelbold and Harris...

And thinking about that, those cops in Colorado were sure a lot more demure about taking down those two (while they were still killing their victims) than the cops in Georgia taking on a “vicious” six year old.

Stupidity is an epidemic in this country. So is an out of control legal system and political correctness. Still, Lawyers and PC would not have such an affect on us if the whole damn country wasn’t becoming so damn stupid! #$@$@#$@&^!!!!!!


107 posted on 04/17/2012 8:49:33 AM PDT by Alas Babylon!
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To: Alas Babylon!

You obviously have never read lord of the flies. Children are nothing particularly special if they have been raised without rules and consequences. The truth is that it is not the tantrum that is the problem It is that we do not allow school staff to discipline children for fear of lawsuits. The parents of this child should be ashamed of themselves


108 posted on 04/17/2012 8:50:17 AM PDT by Nifster
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To: Upstate NY Guy
Salecia Johnson, 6, was accused of tearing items off the walls and throwing furniture in an outburst Friday at Creekside Elementary School, Macon television station WMAZ-TV (http://on.wmaz.com/HPb7nr ) reported. Police said the girl knocked over a shelf that injured the principal.

Calling the cops was inappropriate. The wee girl went nuts, and there's a special facility nearby where the staff are trained and equipped deal with such cases.
109 posted on 04/17/2012 8:51:28 AM PDT by caveat emptor (Zippity Do Dah)
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To: joe fonebone

And they knew they would be expelled - unless they wanted the wrath at home, they wouldn’t even think of it.


110 posted on 04/17/2012 8:52:19 AM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: Mrs. Don-o

My pre-school mommy-and-me teacher called this “time-in” as opposed to “time-out”. I used it with my daughter’s tantrums when she was 5. She never did the “terrible twos”, so it was kind of a shock when she had her tantrum stage three years late, and got in trouble with the kindergarten teacher.


111 posted on 04/17/2012 8:52:54 AM PDT by married21 (As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.)
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To: Upstate NY Guy

Bull. Not having classmates who behaved like wild animals has nothing to do with “sheltering.” If you believe that kind of thing is common to everyone’s childhood, something’s wrong.


112 posted on 04/17/2012 8:53:23 AM PDT by CatherineofAragon (Time for a write-in campaign...Darryl Dixon for President)
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To: Responsibility2nd

I know one thing, you’re boring me.


113 posted on 04/17/2012 8:54:36 AM PDT by beandog (All Aboard the Choo Choo Train to Crazy Town)
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To: Alas Babylon!

NIce to know that you go to such extremes.

You DO NOT know the history of the chid. You do not know if the parent is even responsive to raising a child.

What we do know is that left to their own devices children have the capacity to be nasty and brutal. Would you rather where house this chid in an institution for her formative years???

You act as if calling the parents would magically make them good parents.....You are delusional


114 posted on 04/17/2012 8:55:31 AM PDT by Nifster
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To: caveat emptor

ANd the little girl was not in that facility


115 posted on 04/17/2012 8:57:02 AM PDT by Nifster
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To: Upstate NY Guy

Sounds like a personal problem.

 
 
Oh, come on. You can do better than that. You don't want me to get bored already, do you?
 
 
 


116 posted on 04/17/2012 8:57:02 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Excellent advice, Mrs. D.


117 posted on 04/17/2012 9:00:12 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Responsibility2nd

Why not?


118 posted on 04/17/2012 9:00:51 AM PDT by Upstate NY Guy
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To: arderkrag
exercising powers the people haven’t personally assented to.

Duh. Society has rules for a reason, you break them there is a penalty. For example, if it's a 35 mile hr zone, do you personally assent to them or go 70? I wouldn't want to live near you if you have a problem obeying authority - and you'd want to 'exercise your own authority' - when it wasn't granted to you.

119 posted on 04/17/2012 9:04:47 AM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: beandog

I know one thing, you’re boring me.

 
 
I am sorry. Here. I'll post pics of "Look at me!" attention whores.
 
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Bored still?
 

 


120 posted on 04/17/2012 9:07:20 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: wbill
“I'm wondering if she was handcuffed to avoid hurting herself.”

I'm with you. Even the Chief of Police ‘defended the action’, according to the reports.

Too bizarre otherwise methinks.

121 posted on 04/17/2012 9:08:13 AM PDT by MichaelCorleone (Stop feeding the beast; spend money only with those who support traditional American values.)
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To: Alas Babylon!
Or do you think little kids having tantrums should always be arrested?

If you'd ask me this question 15 or 20 years ago, I'd probably have said no. Today however, my answer is YES! This country is in a moral morass with deep decay in societal/public behavior. To turn this around will require severe "tough love" approaches. Perhaps the parents of these children will awaken to the severity of the problem after having to pick their child up from police custody and go through the court system.

BTW, I am a School Psychologist. In the past 15 years I've witnessed situations that would make the average person in this country drop their jaw in amazement. Behaviors are getting worse, and not just from teens and young adults. There comes a time when extreme measures must be implemented. Now is the time, before it becomes too late.

122 posted on 04/17/2012 9:08:31 AM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud dad of an Army Soldier who has survived 24 months of Combat deployment.)
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To: Upstate NY Guy

Is her name Trayvonetta?


123 posted on 04/17/2012 9:11:44 AM PDT by bgill
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To: Upstate NY Guy
Geeze...it's hard to imagine any 6 year old requiring *handcuffs*.Some kind of restraints,perhaps...but handcuffs??
124 posted on 04/17/2012 9:11:44 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Unlike Mrs Obama,I've Been Proud Of This Country My *Entire* Life!)
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To: Upstate NY Guy

Clearly racial profiling. The police acted stupidly. Heads will roll.


125 posted on 04/17/2012 9:12:31 AM PDT by ichabod1 (Cheney/Rumsfeld 2012)
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To: Eaker
I surely didn't, and I don't think any of my 5 siblings did, and I know my children did not. Nor any of my nieces or nephews.
126 posted on 04/17/2012 9:13:46 AM PDT by NEMDF
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To: Upstate NY Guy

A large glass of ice water in the face stops a tantrum.


127 posted on 04/17/2012 9:14:43 AM PDT by Vaduz
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To: Menehune56
. . . They don't have no business . . . .

It's a real shame that Mr. Johnson doesn't understand what using a double negative means.

128 posted on 04/17/2012 9:14:55 AM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud dad of an Army Soldier who has survived 24 months of Combat deployment.)
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To: iowamark

They use zip ties now.


129 posted on 04/17/2012 9:18:00 AM PDT by ichabod1 (Cheney/Rumsfeld 2012)
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To: Eleutheria5

It was probably due to a zero tolerance policy and a standing rule that the police must be called in in any situation that involves violence.


130 posted on 04/17/2012 9:21:20 AM PDT by ichabod1 (Cheney/Rumsfeld 2012)
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To: ladyjane

Exactly, this isn’t the only child in the school. The protection of the other children is of paramount importance.


131 posted on 04/17/2012 9:26:54 AM PDT by GilesB
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To: Upstate NY Guy

If they can’t handle a kindergartener, maybe they need a new line of work?


132 posted on 04/17/2012 9:27:48 AM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: GeronL

Who says they didn’t handle this kindergartner?

From the link, and from all non knee-jerk responses on this thread, it is clear that the school and the police acted appropriately.

Obviously we all wish we didn’t live in a world where cuffing 6 year olds is natural and necessary, but we do.


133 posted on 04/17/2012 9:42:38 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: upchuck

A GROWN man can’t control a 6 yr old little girl without handcuffs?
You know when I was a kid a tantrum was ended with a pop on your seat. Now we are hancuffing little kids.

If that had been my daughter I would show him a whole new meaning of a “tantrum”.

I hate stupid.


134 posted on 04/17/2012 9:48:49 AM PDT by Lil Flower (American by birth. Southern by the Grace of God! ROLL TIDE!!)
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To: upchuck

A GROWN man can’t control a 6 yr old little girl without handcuffs?
You know when I was a kid a tantrum was ended with a pop on your seat. Now we are hancuffing little kids.

If that had been my daughter I would show him a whole new meaning of a “tantrum”.

I hate stupid.


135 posted on 04/17/2012 9:49:09 AM PDT by Lil Flower (American by birth. Southern by the Grace of God! ROLL TIDE!!)
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To: Nifster

Until I know what set off this child’s tantrum, I will not pass judgement on her actions.


136 posted on 04/17/2012 9:49:13 AM PDT by arderkrag ("WAAHH WAAAHHH SCOTUS" is no excuse to vote for Romney. LOOKING FOR ROLEPLAYERS. Check Profile.)
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To: Upstate NY Guy

If had done what she did what the cop’s did would be nothing compared to what my dad would do.


137 posted on 04/17/2012 9:49:25 AM PDT by the_daug
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To: presently no screen name
I go the speed I choose. It's probably good you don't live near me, I'm sure we'd butt heads over things like this.
‎"I accept any rules you think you need for yourself. I will continue to live by my own." - Robert A. Heinlein, The Moon Is A Harsh Mistress
No hard feelings, though.
138 posted on 04/17/2012 9:59:21 AM PDT by arderkrag ("WAAHH WAAAHHH SCOTUS" is no excuse to vote for Romney. LOOKING FOR ROLEPLAYERS. Check Profile.)
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To: Upstate NY Guy

I do think that issuing teachers nylon strip handcuffs might be acceptable. They are inexpensive, quick, effective even on small wrists, and some varieties have very high tensile strength.

With time, the teacher could teach their students a three stage warning. At the first bad behavior, they get a strap on one wrist, as a warning. At second instance, they get a strap on the other wrist, again as a warning. If they keep it up, however, they get a third strip that binds the other two together. In front, if they are not too violent, or behind, if they are.

The teacher should generally keep in reserve a larger, stronger, ankle strip, if the child goes bonkers and starts kicking violently.


139 posted on 04/17/2012 10:03:25 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy ("It is already like a government job," he said, "but with goats." -- Iranian goat smuggler)
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Lot of people posting who seem to think our 6-year-olds have some sort of uniform behavior code. My wife is an elementary school principal. If you want to be outraged over this sort of story, come visit her. She's had it happen at her school 5 or 6 times this year where the student ends up in handcuffs or zipties.

Students breaking glass, attempting to throw broken glass, choking out other students, trying to cut themselves with tacks, hitting, kicking, and biting staff. And some have been kindergartners up to 5th graders. Several have been admitted to in-patient psych units. One parent told of the student approaching his 7 year old sister with a butcher knife. They put bells on his room door so they know when he is "coming out" into the house.

Save all your sanctimonious condemnation of the police and school system. You obviously are ignorant (in the literal sense) of modern reality.

140 posted on 04/17/2012 10:13:11 AM PDT by the808bass
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To: SoldierDad

“Or, do you believe such behavior should be excused simply on the basis of age?”

mens rea anybody???????


141 posted on 04/17/2012 10:35:16 AM PDT by JLS (How to turn a recession into a depression: elect a Dem president with a big majorities in Congress)
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To: Lil Flower
You know when I was a kid a tantrum was ended with a pop on your seat.

Me too. Popped on the seat more times than I care to remember :) But today that will get you arrested for child abuse. And that's probably one of the reasons 6 yr old got away with the tantrum. No fear of culpability.

142 posted on 04/17/2012 10:36:21 AM PDT by upchuck (Need is not an acceptable lifestyle choice; dependent is not a career. ~ Dr. Tim Nerenz)
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To: Thank You Rush
When I went to school (many years ago!) such behavior would have merited corporal punishment; a note home and more corporal punishment there.

Teachers don't have that option now.

143 posted on 04/17/2012 10:44:25 AM PDT by Churchillspirit
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To: JLS
mens rea anybody???????

Shall we ask this question to the parents of young children killed by other children????

144 posted on 04/17/2012 10:48:37 AM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud dad of an Army Soldier who has survived 24 months of Combat deployment.)
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To: Nifster

Don’t you talk about my chile!!!!


145 posted on 04/17/2012 10:48:37 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you really want to annoy someone, point out something obvious that they are trying hard to ignore)
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To: Churchillspirit

“”When I went to school (many years ago!)””

Ok, I’ll say it - I went to elementary school in the early ‘40’s. That’s a whole lot of years ago. I remember scotch tape over the mouth for talking out of turn in class, stern warnings for running in the halls, standing in corners and some were shut in the coat closet - where they promptly ate the lunches of other students.

Older kids were sent to the principal’s office (my brother being one) where the principal wielded a paddle. I know times have changed - unfortunately in our whole society - but there has to be a better way of handling a misbehaving child than calling in law enforcement to subdue a 6 year old child.

Is obozo going to have a statement on this incident also? He seems to have an opinion on everything else. Remember he gets his discipline advice from the PM of some backward country in the middle east - Turkey?


146 posted on 04/17/2012 11:07:16 AM PDT by Thank You Rush
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To: Thank You Rush
I know times have changed - unfortunately in our whole society - but there has to be a better way of handling a misbehaving child than calling in law enforcement to subdue a 6 year old child.

This is what the left wants, we have now made it the only option. Call the police or let the kid continue to misbehave. Hopefully her trip to the police station will make her reevaluate her actions. Her mom will not make her behave so she will have to learn on her own.

147 posted on 04/17/2012 11:17:16 AM PDT by Ratman83
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To: upchuck

You’re right about the child abuse. Thats got a lot to do with kids being bad at school. My kids are very well behaved at school and make good grades. However, me and their Dad are the reason they behave, and they have been taught that actions do have consequences, good or bad. They have also been taught the value of doing the right thing when no one is looking.
A 6 yr old acting out like that is having psychological and or family problems. The parents should be looked at and held responsible for her actions, not her. She obviously needs help.


148 posted on 04/17/2012 11:25:08 AM PDT by Lil Flower (American by birth. Southern by the Grace of God! ROLL TIDE!!)
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To: hitchwolf

I am retired from this department. Juveniles are almost *NEVER* placed in cells at the Milledgeville Police Department, a practice seemingly continued in this case according to the incident report: http://www.13wmaz.com/assetpool/documents/120417104050_milledgeville-student-incident-report.pdf .

As was done in this case, juveniles are typically supervised in the squadroom, a large combination classroom/briefingroom/breakroom open to all department employees.


149 posted on 04/17/2012 11:36:15 AM PDT by awoodpd13
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To: the808bass

My wife was a teacher for quite a few years, first in a Christian school then in a public school. Her experiences included having her life threatened, having to deal with teens having sex in her theater, and other hair-raising episodes. If anything, those stories just reinforced my points of view on the matter.


150 posted on 04/17/2012 12:10:20 PM PDT by arderkrag ("WAAHH WAAAHHH SCOTUS" is no excuse to vote for Romney. LOOKING FOR ROLEPLAYERS. Check Profile.)
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