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Eight Minutes You Missed: George Zimmerman’s Former Lawyer’s Press Conference
Press Conference ^ | 04/17/2012 | Joan of Argghh!

Posted on 04/17/2012 10:02:57 AM PDT by JoanVarga

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To: JoanVarga; hoosiermama
He didn’t know there was a gun at that point.

But both of you are using logic.

Logic doesn't work in arguments in the greater world any longer. It no longer appears to be negotiable currency in the marketplace of ideas.

51 posted on 04/17/2012 2:13:22 PM PDT by Scoutmaster (You knew the job was dangerous when you took it)
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To: Scoutmaster

I only wish more black citizens were armed, so the preying upon them done by feral thugs would meet the response due. Perhaps then black people would catch on to what Jesse and Al and Eric are doing, exploiting black people and using them as the fodder for the chaos trip planned for America in Odinga style.


52 posted on 04/17/2012 2:13:46 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: MHGinTN

Man, I hope you’re wrong about Odinga style. I’m wondering myself if the NBP are the Civilian National Security Force.


53 posted on 04/17/2012 2:22:43 PM PDT by JoanVarga ("Yes We Can" It's not just a slogan. It's a threat.)
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To: JoanVarga

You really don’t think that Odinga had Obama’s blessing to do what he did to the missionaries? Remember the ancestor that was tortured by the British that had been cook for the missionaries? That happened right before the family converted from Christian to Muslin. That’s just one reason BO wanted the churches burnt. He’s all into payback.


54 posted on 04/17/2012 2:30:40 PM PDT by hoosiermama
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To: bigfootbob
Get used to it, with your attitude you’ll be getting only state supported news after November anyway. Nothing to see here move on good useful idiot.

People who don't believe Romney is conservative or like him are useful idiots? I would say that the useful idiots are the people who toe the line for the GOP establishment; kinda like the democrats. If you like pro-abortion, pro-gay, pro-global warming cap & trade.....politicians, Romney is your guy. I'm conservative and to many, romney is Obama on the right.

Romney was asked in January to reach out to conservatives and he said he did not need to, that we will vote for him. He's an arrogant %#* Why would conservatives vote for someone like that? He lied, cheated and bought his way to where he is at. If that is what you want in a president, enjoy, but don't expect conservatives to toe the line.

55 posted on 04/17/2012 2:51:29 PM PDT by Linda Frances (Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness.)
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To: JoanVarga
Starting from around the time Uhrig takes over (near 28:00) until 33:37:

"I just want to connect a few dots. And all of these dots are already out there. This is nothing special and brand new. You just gotta connect them.

Question one: Is George Martin [sic] a racist? That may not be the first question in order of things happening, but it's one of the big questions out there in the court of public opinion.

The evidence is that he comes from a racially diverse family. His mother was Peruvian. He mentored two young African-American children, he and his wife. When the funding for that ran out, they spent their own money to be able to do that. That will be able to be confirmed.

Took the young boy down to be able to see Dwight Howard. They took him to other special activities. Doesn't sound like the activities of a racist who's out there trying to hunt people down. He's not a member of the Aryan Nation, if you will.

He's got friends, including Joe Oliver, who is brave enough to come forward and stand up for him. He's got other African-American friend who frankly were afraid for their jobs and their safety to come forward in light of the public furor that's been raised in this case.

There's absolutely no evidence, direct evidence, whatsoever, that he's a racist. "Well, but he made 40 phone calls!" Yeah. He's a neighborhood watch guy. He does that. "We found seventeen of them and, like eight or nine of them, the guy turned out to be black!" Well that's true, and in every single instance he was asked, just like in this one, does he look white, Hispanic, or black? He say, yeah, he looks black. It's not like "Oh, my God, there's a black guy in the neighborhood, send the cops!"

There's no evidence whatsoever from the time the earth cooled to right this minute that George Zimmerman ever has been or is racially motivated to stalk someone, racially profile them, or as the Congressmen said, hunt him down like a dog and shoot him in the street. There's nothing to support that.

Here's what the facts show, the facts as, the statement given by George Zimmerman the night that he talked to the police, a story repeated by his father, a story repeated by his brother . . .. And you say "well, they're all in on it."

Really? Well guess what. The absence of witnesses to the contrary doesn't mean that in happened the way you would rather have the context come out.

So, the only living eyewitness to exactly what happened is George Zimmerman. He's been consistent, and the evidence is consistent with what he said.

[Uhrig looks down and appears to shift his foot; may have been standing on a cable?] I'm sorry.

We have the situation where we have the eyewitness that says:

"The guy in the red sweater was on the ground. The other guy was on top of him, beating him. And the guy on the bottom was yelling for help. He looked at me and asked me to get help. I went in to call nine eleven for the guy in the orange sweater" - we know who that was, it was George Zimmerman - "and while I was inside trying to call nine eleven I heard the pop."

Nobody but George Zimmerman purports to know the most important two or three seconds in the entire incident and that's who swung on who first. Zimmerman says - and you hear part of this on the 911 tape - "I'm following the guy, 'cause as I'm on the way out to go grocery shopping on Sunday evening at Target, I see this guy. It's getting dark. He's over six feet tall" - He doesn't say this, but that's what he sees. - "He's kind of slinking along behind the back of the buildings." - If you've seen the photograph, there's a sidewalk that goes between two sets of townhouses. And here's this guy that he doesn't recognize. He's the neighborhood watch guy; he knows his neighbors. Doesn't recognize him in a gated neighborhood. Doesn't mean he's doing anything illegal. But if you're in the rain, in the dark, going along the back side of residences with no apparent purpose, it's at least suspicious enough to take a moment to check it out. He calls the police . . .

[Reporter says something like: "How can you see somebody behind the townhouses in your car . . . "}

I'm sorry. Say that again?

[Reporter: "How could he possibly have seen somebody from behind the townhouses from his car which was on the other side of {unintelligible] building? You can't see behind it."]

At some point in time he sees him, and let's say this: We know from what he says while he's on the phone with 911 and the purported call with the girlfriend, who as far as I know, nobody's talked with. She's the one who says he said "it's raining, I'm getting up by the buildings."

If you'll look at the buildings, the overhand is about this much (holds hands less than two feet apart). Unless you're up against the buildings sliding along (mimes sliding along wall or building with his back flush against it), you're not getting any protection from that. That's nonsense.

[Same reporter: "Can I ask you one . . ."]

No. Let me finish first. Alright. So at any rate, he goes down the sidewalk and we hear the 911 tape. They say "Are you following him?" "Yes." "Well, we don't need you to do that."

That's reported as he was ordered to stop. No they say "we don't need you do that." And his answer was: "OKAY!"

He then talks with them, and much of this was cut off of the 911 tape, he says, uh, I think they actually asked him to see if you can get an address. If you're not going to follow him, when the cops get there, can you tell them where he went. So he goes down the sidewalk, gets the address and is headed back to his car when according to him he's accosted by Trayvon Martin, he turns him around say "Do you have a problem with me," "No," in response to which Trayvon Martin, in a horrible exercise of bad judgment says "well you do now," and hit him in the nose, which we [sic] later turned out broke his nose, dropped him to the ground, got on top of him, and is hitting him.

We've had people say, "Well, how do you explain the fact Trayvon Martin is face down with George Zimmerman standing up." This doesn't take rocket science. George Zimmerman's still alive. That's why he's standing up. And the reason Trayvon is face down is because George was on his back and Trayvon was face-down on top of him when he got shot and fell the rest of the way down.

There's no great mystery here unless you start with a conclusion and try to work back to put it in context the way you want it. Too much of that has taken place.

You're going to find that there's injuries to the back of his head - forget the foggy tape at the police department. The EMTs will have a report in there that they treated him, they cleaned up the blood, his nose really is broken. You're likely, I would suppose, to find grass stains on the bottom of George Zimmerman's clothes and not on Trayvon's. [Stop at 33:37]

IF I PICK UP NEAR THE VERY END, Uhrig makes a point that everyone reporter should note. They weren't there.

Uhrig: "The only account from anyone who was actually there is that there was no confrontation. He had gotten the address and was walking peacefully back to his car when was confronted by Traybon Martin. Trayvon Martin. I wasn't there. I don't know. Don't have a clue. What I'm telling you is the only evidence supports that version.

[At this point, a reporter asks a question about "He never asked him what are you doing . . ." but you can't hear it well, because Ms. Addresses is saying "Sir, the addresses are on the back of those buildings . . .'; no doubt she's still standing on that lawn saying things about addresses on the buildings ] "We don't know that he had a chance. Our understanding is he turned him around, said "Do you have a problem with me?"

He said "no."

He said "You do now," and hit him. Not a lot of chance for casual conversation.

[Another unintelligble question]

I wasn't there. I don't know.

["Sir, I still don't understand how he can get back to the car to see the number of the buildings . . ."

56 posted on 04/17/2012 3:33:13 PM PDT by Scoutmaster (You knew the job was dangerous when you took it)
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Thanks, Scoutmaster. That’s real yoeman’s work. I love having a transcript!

Late afternoon bump. . .


57 posted on 04/17/2012 3:48:01 PM PDT by JoanVarga ("Yes We Can" It's not just a slogan. It's a threat.)
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To: Scoutmaster
There's no great mystery here unless you start with a conclusion and try to work back to put it in context the way you want it.

Bingo! That's the money quote!

58 posted on 04/17/2012 4:18:18 PM PDT by JoanVarga ("Yes We Can" It's not just a slogan. It's a threat.)
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To: Venturer
You have to wonder where all the Hispanics are, and why they are allowing this man to be crucified without response from them

"Hispanic" means either Mexican or Central American. Anyone else is a "white" Hispanic and not deserving of the hyphenation. I am Hispanic, but not the "right" kind (my grandfather came from Spain).

59 posted on 04/17/2012 4:35:18 PM PDT by COBOL2Java (FUMR)
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To: COBOL2Java

Lots of German, and French Mexicans, too. Blue eyes and blonde hair.


60 posted on 04/17/2012 4:38:49 PM PDT by JoanVarga ("Yes We Can" It's not just a slogan. It's a threat.)
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To: JoanVarga

After-dinner bump!


61 posted on 04/17/2012 5:16:07 PM PDT by JoanVarga ("Yes We Can" It's not just a slogan. It's a threat.)
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To: JoanVarga
"Hell, as the last of eight kids, my own mother rarely got my name right. My first name."

I know where your mother was coming from. I am doing the same thing with my grandkids. Their names all start with a J, so I keep going down the list of J names. First names are ok to get wrong. Now if she got your last name wrong that might have been a problem. :-)

I agree the lawyer did lay it on the reporters otherwise. I do wonder why Zimmermon quit them though.

62 posted on 04/17/2012 6:43:19 PM PDT by Spunky
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To: Scoutmaster

Thanks, Appreciate your work


63 posted on 04/17/2012 6:44:11 PM PDT by hoosiermama
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To: Spunky
Now if she got your last name wrong that might have been a problem.

Fortunately, I do not look like the mailman. . .

64 posted on 04/17/2012 6:49:10 PM PDT by JoanVarga ("Yes We Can" It's not just a slogan. It's a threat.)
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To: Scoutmaster

Thanks!


65 posted on 04/17/2012 8:46:16 PM PDT by Jaded (Really? Seriously?)
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To: JoanVarga
actually had an attorney for the Martin family who, as far as we know actually went to law school, get on the air and say, "They need to just go ahead and arrest him and let him prove his innocence in a court of law." Really? In the United States? I don't think so!

In America: One is "presumed innocent" until "proven guilty" in a court of law.

One does not have to prove one's innocence!

The Martin family attorney should be brought before the bar!

Affirmative action, maybe?

Anyway, if I ever get in serious trouble with the law I’m looking up Zimmerman’s former attorney!

STE=Q

66 posted on 04/17/2012 8:49:10 PM PDT by STE=Q
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To: STE=Q

Just in case, then, he spells his name, “Uhrig.”

Thanks to Scoutmaster for the excellent follow ups and transcriptions!


67 posted on 04/18/2012 3:00:17 AM PDT by JoanVarga ("Yes We Can" It's not just a slogan. It's a threat.)
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To: Linda Frances

Look, I can cherry pick apart every single person alive with negative things they do/did. Even you, if I knew you, have issues you can probably be shown not to the best examples of what it takes being conservative.

The Republican primary is playing out. It appears Romney is the delegate of the moment. Not my first choice, but, Romney gets my vote in November...period. 4 years of Romney is better than 1 more day of Obama. People like you and others better wise up to that fact.

If you look, I’ve been here many, many moons and I hate seeing this grand site being a campaign tool for Obama, and that is precisely what this place is becoming with all the Republican bashing. Let Obama win again and I seriously doubt Free Republic or any other strong conservative site will be allowed to operate. It will be shuttered because of Hate Speech or some other liberal freedom stripping ploy. I hope you enjoy your responsibility in all that.


68 posted on 04/18/2012 9:32:04 AM PDT by bigfootbob
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and that is precisely what this place is becoming with all the Republican bashing

Bullsh*t.

It's far more in danger of becoming a little coterie of political parrots and retrograde religious zealots. It used to be a place for fierce and open debate, exquisite flame wars, and brave commenters who didn't toe the line, but could defend their opinions with verve and citations.

69 posted on 04/18/2012 11:55:12 AM PDT by JoanVarga ("Yes We Can" It's not just a slogan. It's a threat.)
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To: JoanVarga

THATS RIGHT HE DIDNT KNOW THERE WAS A GUN OR HE WASNT WOULDNT HAV BEEN SLAMMING HE HEAD ITO THE GROUND!!!!!


70 posted on 04/18/2012 12:08:32 PM PDT by ichabod1 (Cheney/Rumsfeld 2012)
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To: ichabod1

And your point would be. . . ?


71 posted on 04/18/2012 12:20:52 PM PDT by JoanVarga ("Yes We Can" It's not just a slogan. It's a threat.)
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To: bigfootbob
Cherry pick? Romney does not have a conservative bone in his liberal body. You have heard the truth about who romney is and the lies he has told. So either your a liberal helping obama, because you know obama will beat him or you are mormon and “working” to get a mormon in the white house, so you can become a higher god, like romney is trying to do.

Romney is a liar, cheat, thief and a liberal. He claimed to have had a conversion and is now pro-life, against gay marriage......Then he said the opposite and signed legislation putting through pro-gay marriage..he's for cap and trade, increased taxes, romneycare...... He is NOT conservative or do you want the proof I'm sure you have seen several times. Romney is worse than obama. He's a Judas and in a cult. It's no wonder he thought it was ok to destroy good people to BUY the nomination, he thinks he is a god.

I will go third party or write in someone. Like I said before, romney is an arrogant man who never reached out to conservatives when it was he was told 4 time to do so. He said we would vote for him. That reason alone shows will not doing anything for conservatives. He needed to run as a democrat, that is who he is. I don't care who he has as VP, he's not getting my vote. No, this is not a vote for obama, I won't vote for either pro-abortion, pro-gay, cap & trade.....romneycare...I have a conscience.

72 posted on 04/18/2012 8:03:48 PM PDT by Linda Frances (Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness.)
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To: JoanVarga

Bumped for renewed interest.


73 posted on 07/10/2013 8:36:14 PM PDT by JoanVarga (Primordial Slack)
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