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Secrets of the Presidents Club: How Bill Clinton Learned to Salute
Time ^ | Tuesday, Apr. 17, 2012 | Nancy Gibbs and Michael Duffy

Posted on 04/17/2012 1:43:25 PM PDT by presidio9

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But Clinton was not expecting a lesson in precision saluting when his motorcade pulled up to Reagan's post-presidential office in Los Angeles in late November 1992, a few weeks after he had defeated Bush. Clinton was mostly paying a courtesy call on the Great Communicator, who by now was 81 years old to Clinton's 46. The two men had met before, in the early 1980s, when Clinton attended a White House dinner that Reagan hosted for all the governors.

This time, they sat in Reagan's office mostly talking about safe subjects: the economy, the need to limit spending, the advantages of a line-item veto. When Clinton asked for advice in general, Reagan recommended the curative powers of Camp David.

But then Reagan noted that he had seen Clinton salute during the campaign and found his military method well, a little wanting. If Clinton was going to employ the gestures used by the military, Reagan urged, Clinton needed to be firmer, stronger, more commanding. How much clout you conveyed in office, Reagan understood better than anyone, owed a good deal to how you were perceived.

But how to do it, exactly? The old Army cavalry officer explained the hand had to come up slowly, like it was covered with honey, and then brought down sharply, definitively, as if it was covered with something far less pleasant. Clinton listened and soon the two men were standing in Reagan's office, practicing their salutes

The entire session lasted 70 minutes; Reagan awarded Clinton with a jar of jelly beans when it was over.

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1 posted on 04/17/2012 1:43:31 PM PDT by presidio9
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To: presidio9

Reagan was a class act and great American. I would have taught him the Cub Scout salute.


2 posted on 04/17/2012 1:47:04 PM PDT by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: presidio9
Didn't Clinton salute left-handed in the beginning? I'm I wrong?
3 posted on 04/17/2012 1:51:19 PM PDT by donna (3rd largest workforce in the world=UK National Health Service (Chinese Army #1))
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To: presidio9

IMHO POTUS should not salute. They are civilians. This is one protocol that President Reagan should not have initiated.I think if one looks in the FM 22-5 instructions will be found for how long a saluting soldier will hold his salute and what cues he will use when saluting a civilian.


4 posted on 04/17/2012 1:52:05 PM PDT by xkaydet65
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To: presidio9

If it were me, I would have held my advice and instead watched Clinton make an ass of himself.

But then again, Ronald Reagan was a much better person than I.


5 posted on 04/17/2012 1:52:41 PM PDT by PGR88
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To: presidio9

To bad that is all he learned from Reagan. A few more lessons and maybe Clinton wouldn’t have ended up an impeached reprobate, who at the mention of his name brings laughter from any audience.


6 posted on 04/17/2012 1:53:57 PM PDT by Patrick1 (" Let's all pray Kim Kardashian's divorce won't have an impact on her craft.")
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To: Bryanw92

My husband and I visited the Reagan Library last week. It is simply magnificent and inspiring. We both got very teary eyed listening to some of his speeches and absolutely furious thinking of what now occupies the Oval Office.
What kind of a library could this guy ever hope to have when he has virtually no past.


7 posted on 04/17/2012 1:55:25 PM PDT by surrey
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To: presidio9

Nice to read that Reagan had such a high regard for the office that he wanted future Presidents to carry themselves with as much respect and authority. Too bad the meeting was cut short before Ron could discuss, in detail, what is appropriate behavior inside the Oval Office.


8 posted on 04/17/2012 1:57:38 PM PDT by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: surrey

What kind of a library could this guy ever hope to have when he has virtually no past.


0bama doesn’t even rate a Porta Potty.


9 posted on 04/17/2012 1:58:36 PM PDT by unkus (Silence Is Consent)
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10 posted on 04/17/2012 2:00:05 PM PDT by PLD (what is the difference between the Black Panthers and the KKK..Nothing I can see..)
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11 posted on 04/17/2012 2:00:16 PM PDT by PLD (what is the difference between the Black Panthers and the KKK..Nothing I can see..)
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To: presidio9
Clinton?

The one who loathes the U.S. military?

Is it acceptable nowadays to show the "salute" he uses?

13 posted on 04/17/2012 2:05:14 PM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: xkaydet65
IMHO POTUS should not salute. They are civilians.

The Commander in Chief should not salute the troops?

I don't have a problem with it.

14 posted on 04/17/2012 2:05:44 PM PDT by what's up
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To: presidio9

President-elect Bill Clinton reacts as former President Ronald Reagan presents him with a jar of red, white and blue jelly beans at Reagan's office in the Century City section of Los Angeles, Nov. 27, 1992.

15 posted on 04/17/2012 2:07:01 PM PDT by rawhide
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To: xkaydet65

Sorry, the president is the military commander-in-chief. He is to be saluted because of his rank, not whether he is miltary or civilian. You are saluting the rank.


16 posted on 04/17/2012 2:10:07 PM PDT by rawhide
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To: Bryanw92

I would have taught Clinton the Benny Hill salute.


17 posted on 04/17/2012 2:12:46 PM PDT by Kinder Gentler Machinegun Hand
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To: xkaydet65
IMHO POTUS should not salute. They are civilians. This is one protocol that President Reagan should not have initiated.I think if one looks in the FM 22-5 instructions will be found for how long a saluting soldier will hold his salute and what cues he will use when saluting a civilian.

POTUS is more than a civilian - he is the Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces. Therefore, his protocol is different from that of an ordinary civilian.

In addition, since President Reagan made the decision that saluting was appropriate for the CIC when he was, in fact, the CIC, then the issue is settled for military people and not subject to disagreement. And there are any number of manuals one can turn to to find out whether military personnel must follow lawful orders.

18 posted on 04/17/2012 2:15:53 PM PDT by Talisker (He who commands, must obey.)
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To: xkaydet65

They are Commander in Chief of the military. They should salute.


19 posted on 04/17/2012 2:19:15 PM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: presidio9

IIRC this was also the meeting where, according to a George Stephanopolis leak to the press (one Georgie had to publicly apologize for) Reagan told Clinton that he’d voted for him.


20 posted on 04/17/2012 2:29:34 PM PDT by tanknetter
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To: rawhide

Reread my post. My issue is not saluting POTUS, but the Pres. returning a military salute. POTUS is C in C but he is a civilian. I do not feel that is appropriate. My reference to FM 22-5 was in regard to how long a salute given to a civilian should be held and what response the saluting soldier should look for. I went to a Jesuit military HS and we saluted the Army cadre and they returned salutes, but we also saluted the Headmaster and Dean on enterng their offices. They responded with a nod of the head as signal that our salute had been recognized.


21 posted on 04/17/2012 2:30:40 PM PDT by xkaydet65
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To: rawhide

Jelly Belly is one of the big patrons of the Library as is Jeffrey Immelt. A big surprise to me.


22 posted on 04/17/2012 2:36:49 PM PDT by surrey
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To: xkaydet65
Agreed. This is one of the cultural changes of the POTUS.

Pres. Eisenhower and other from the past didn't salute. This is a recent phenomenon. And, as for the military, the POTUS is only CIC when called into service, and doesn't have have sway of large amounts of our forces like our National Guard, unless they are mobilized by Congress.

Congress has more power and authority than the POTUS.

Saluting became a image concept to grant more a 'authority' like presence to someone, and is great for the sheep who prefer image over substance.

23 posted on 04/17/2012 2:41:55 PM PDT by Theoria (Rush Limbaugh: Ron Paul sounds like an Islamic terrorist)
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To: presidio9

GW was a good “saluter”.


24 posted on 04/17/2012 2:44:19 PM PDT by traderrob6
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To: xkaydet65

Sorry, he’s commander in chief. His salute should be a return though.


25 posted on 04/17/2012 2:57:29 PM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: xkaydet65

It is always appropriate for the Commander in Chief to return the salute of a military member under his authority.

Colonel, USAFR


26 posted on 04/17/2012 3:01:30 PM PDT by jagusafr ("Write in Palin and prepare for war...")
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To: presidio9
I think Clinton's salute was probably somewhat more correct than Obama's:


27 posted on 04/17/2012 3:03:12 PM PDT by Maceman (Liberals' only problem with American slavery is that the slaves were privately owned.)
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To: presidio9
I think Clinton's salute was probably somewhat more correct than Obama's:


28 posted on 04/17/2012 3:03:31 PM PDT by Maceman (Liberals' only problem with American slavery is that the slaves were privately owned.)
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To: Theoria
...tht POTUS is only CIC when called into service...

Who is CIC the rest of the time?

29 posted on 04/17/2012 3:10:15 PM PDT by Mr. Lucky
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To: PGR88

“If it were me, I would have held my advice and instead watched Clinton make an ass of himself.”

Exactly what I was thinking.


30 posted on 04/17/2012 3:20:06 PM PDT by dljordan ("Tyranny, like Hell, is not easily conquered.")
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To: Mr. Lucky
I would suspect that the Sec. of DoD, having been delegated that authority to by Congress, is the day to day operator, or in this form.

But, that is also how you view the President. Either subjected to Congress or the Unitarian executive.

Also, the reference to called into service is either the Armies of the US or the actual President, in CIC form. Neither has been specified.

31 posted on 04/17/2012 3:47:26 PM PDT by Theoria (Rush Limbaugh: Ron Paul sounds like an Islamic terrorist)
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To: what's up

Or last good Commander, President Reagan, respected the troops. And wanted Clinton do do the same. I think it was a noble act on President Reagan’s part.


32 posted on 04/17/2012 4:05:13 PM PDT by Pfesser (I miss President Reagan.)
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To: surrey

My husband and I visited the Reagan Library in March and found it very moving. When we read the words that Margaret Thatcher wrote in the condolence book, “Well done, thou good and faithful servant.” we both teared up.


33 posted on 04/17/2012 4:13:23 PM PDT by CarolinaPeach
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To: Pfesser

I agree. President Reagan was a gentleman.


34 posted on 04/17/2012 4:17:51 PM PDT by kalee (The offenses we give, we write in the dust; Those we take, we engrave in marble. J Huett 1658)
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To: xkaydet65
IMHO POTUS should not salute. They are civilians. This is one protocol that President Reagan should not have initiated.I think if one looks in the FM 22-5 instructions will be found for how long a saluting soldier will hold his salute and what cues he will use when saluting a civilian.
Fully understood. But Reagan was a special case. Colin Powell wrote (I drew a blank trying to do a search, but I know it was online) in which he said that he met with Reagan once in California (pretty sure it was after Reagan left office), and Reagan indicated that he had heard that there was some objection to his saluting soldiers, and asked General Powell his opinion. Powell wrote that if he had told Reagan to discontinue it, and his comrades-in-arms had ever gotten wind of it, that his name would have been Mudd in the military forever after.
I think it is a Catch-22 situation - a Reagan sets the precedent, and a Clinton picks up on it and turns it into something you wish never got started. At this point it would take an act of Congress to terminate the precedent.

35 posted on 04/17/2012 4:28:34 PM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion (The idea around which “liberalism" coheres is that NOTHING actually matters except PR.)
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