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Freeways no longer? Interstates might get more tolls
Kansas City Star ^ | April 17, 2012 | By CURTIS TATE

Posted on 04/17/2012 3:47:55 PM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer

WASHINGTON -- The federal interstate highway system is showing its age, and, faced with the cost of repairing all those bumps and cracks, some states want to ask motorists to pay tolls on roads that used to be free.

When the interstate system was created in 1956, a federal per-gallon gasoline tax was enacted to provide a stream of revenue for the Highway Trust Fund. The federal government paid 90 percent of the construction costs, with the states making up the rest.

That model worked for decades, but no longer. Americans are driving less because of the economy and higher gas prices, and cars are getting better gas mileage. The federal gasoline tax of 18.4 cents a gallon hasn't changed since 1993.

In recent years, the trust fund has required an annual infusion of general funds just to keep highway spending levels where they are. The Congressional Budget Office said in January that the trust fund might go bankrupt next year.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: budget; failure; freerightoftravel; gasolinetax; gastax; highwayrobbery; obamanomics; payasyougo; paygo; socialism; taxes

1 posted on 04/17/2012 3:48:01 PM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

CA gets $0.30+ per gallon just in sales taxes, which go straight to general fund use.


2 posted on 04/17/2012 3:54:20 PM PDT by umgud (No Rats, No Rino's)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Somehow, the fact the highway fund is now a transportation fund that includes bicycles, rapid transit, local transit, etc, anything besides highway maintenance, is left out of the mix.


3 posted on 04/17/2012 3:54:20 PM PDT by pacpam (action=consequence and applies in all cases - friend of victory)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

If you tax a certain activity or behavior, you will get LESS of that behavior.

Having to pay MORE just to use the same roads will futher induce staying home....

THEN where will the Government be?

(I’m sorry, did someone say “slippery slope?”)


4 posted on 04/17/2012 3:55:34 PM PDT by TheRobb7 (The Margin of GOP victory MUST exceed the margin of Democrat election theft!)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
The Interstate Highway System is "Infrastructure" at its best. The Constitution calls for the federal government to provide for the common defense (Interstates were sold as necessary for internal transport of military goods and personnel in case of invasion) and also to provide roads, canals etc.

Funded by government but built by the private sector, the Interstates opened up vast stretches of America to fast, efficient connection with the outside world, resulting in enormous economic growth and prosperity to regions otherwise left isolated.

Whatever funding scheme serves best to maintain this unique highway system, it will be worth it.

5 posted on 04/17/2012 3:57:43 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: pacpam
...the fact the highway fund is now a transportation fund that includes bicycles, rapid transit, local transit, etc, anything besides highway maintenance, is left out of the mix.

Odd how the MSM tends to miss certain categories of things...

6 posted on 04/17/2012 3:58:55 PM PDT by GOPJ (Hoodies - because you can't kill a security camera for snitchin' - - freeper tacticalogic)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Aren't you glad now that the do-gooders busted the highway trust?

ML/NJ

7 posted on 04/17/2012 4:00:36 PM PDT by ml/nj
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To: hinckley buzzard
Whatever funding scheme serves best to maintain this unique highway system, it will be worth it.

Clearly there is a fuel price at which point shipping will be constrained via truck. And ebay and amazon will close shop sometime before then.

8 posted on 04/17/2012 4:00:55 PM PDT by sam_paine (X .................................)
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They never have been “free”ways... they’ve always been payways - the payment mechanism is just going to become more obvious.


9 posted on 04/17/2012 4:01:11 PM PDT by Keith in Iowa (Willard Romney, purveyor of the world's finest bullmitt. | FR Class of 1998 |)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Living in the People's Republic of Maryland, I've been used to paying exorbitant tolls for decades. We just got hit with increases for I-95, the bridges over the Susquehanna, the Governor Nice Bridge, the Chesapeake Bay Bridge and the tunnels through Baltimore. When I started driving almost a half-century ago, the trip from the D.C. suburbs to Philadelphia cost a few bucks - gas was $.329 per gallon and the tolls on the way up were less than $5.00. Now, it seems between gas and tolls that the sky is the limit.



Nos genuflectitur ad non princeps sed Princeps Pacem!

Listen, O isles, unto me; and hearken, ye people, from far; The LORD hath called me from the womb; from the bowels of my mother hath he made mention of my name. (Isaiah 49:1 KJV)

10 posted on 04/17/2012 4:02:33 PM PDT by ConorMacNessa (HM/2 USN, 3/5 Marines RVN 1969 - St. Michael the Archangel defend us in Battle!)
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To: ml/nj
This article makes no sense. If people are driving less, because of high gas prices, shouldn't the roads wear out less, too? Plus where the f*** are my tax dollars going? Isn't that what our taxes PAY for? Roads?

I'm sick to death of this BS that the government doesn't have "enough" money to pay for schools or roads. They take way more than is necessary. Cut out the Davis-Bacon union wage and pension garbage and there's be plenty of $ left over to run this country very comfortably.

11 posted on 04/17/2012 4:05:31 PM PDT by boop (I hate hippies and dopeheads. Just hate them. ...Ernest Borgnine)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Gee less traffic equals less wear and tear, so what’s the deal!


12 posted on 04/17/2012 4:06:04 PM PDT by Lockbox
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
If we're going to have toll roads, then get rid of the federal, state and local taxes on gasoline, along with the regulations that stand in the way of producing more. Only government would have the audacity to chide, regulate and price us into higher fuel efficiency and then gripe about decreased tax revenue.

Sheesh!

13 posted on 04/17/2012 4:12:02 PM PDT by elkfersupper ( Member of the Original Defiant Class)
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To: sam_paine
Clearly there is a fuel price at which point shipping will be constrained via truck. And ebay and amazon will close shop sometime before then.

No they will just ship interstate on Warren Buffett's railroad. Now I'm all for rail/truck competition. I just don't like the government being a player. Every time the government gets involved things go to heck. Every one of the western railroads built with land grants from the government went bust. Only the Great Northern, built entirely with private money, avoided going bankrupt. They built track where it wasn't needed just to get the grants, and then couldn't afford to maintain and operate the meandering lines.

Any taxes on gas or tolls should go to maintain the roads. Nothing more.
14 posted on 04/17/2012 4:12:06 PM PDT by GonzoGOP (There are millions of paranoid people in the world and they are all out to get me.)
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To: pacpam

Absolutely. The people mover in Detroit is a beautiful example of what’s wrong. Riders pay a total of 7% of its total operating costs, the rest comes from other sources (taxes). It appears that 25% rider funding is enough to consider most mass transit a great success.

From my local paper I see the liberals in Jackson Michigan are whining about needing $100,000 to repave a bike path and feel that the city or county should pay for it. I suggested taking up a collection but the liberals said that people who didn’t pay would use it. (so much for that sharing crap LOL) Instead they feel that its OJ to take the money by force to a tiny fraction of a single percent can have a smooth ride.


15 posted on 04/17/2012 4:12:34 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: boop

so air travel is turned into an all-day pain in the butt procedure by the f’ng fascist federal gov’t. then they keep gas prices high to keep people from traveling and now, because that isn’t enough we’ll make the roads toll roads so food coasts more, people stay at home and become even more dependant on the FFFG


16 posted on 04/17/2012 4:12:43 PM PDT by bravo whiskey (If the little things really bother you, maybe it's because the big things are going well.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

This corrupt POS government is sure taking some of the fun out of being retired.


17 posted on 04/17/2012 4:13:35 PM PDT by Gator113 (***YOU GAVE it to Obama. I would have voted for NEWT.~Just livin' life, my way~)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Why do I think that if freeways have tolls, it will be means tested?

“Toll stamps” given out to the politically connected.


18 posted on 04/17/2012 4:14:55 PM PDT by cicero2k
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
That model worked for decades, but no longer.

Now we have illegal immigrant welfare to pay for without telling the public that is where their money is going.

19 posted on 04/17/2012 4:20:19 PM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

And the tolls will of course be the electric kind that can track your movements.


20 posted on 04/17/2012 4:24:24 PM PDT by Vince Ferrer
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To: Vince Ferrer

Last fall my electric provider was warning of potential outages on a certain day due to testing of communication between the power grid and electric cars.


21 posted on 04/17/2012 4:27:31 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: GonzoGOP

That’s what I said!

At some point, fuel prices will make shipping via truck ineffective. The assertion made by hinckley buzzard that the highways will always be worth the investment is not necessarily true, as I think you and I would agree.


22 posted on 04/17/2012 4:32:55 PM PDT by sam_paine (X .................................)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

I don’t know if this Bob Poole guy received several million from a dead uncle, or maybe he just doesn’t drive or like to drive, but he is a VERY SICK MAN.

Keeping roads smooth and safe is VERY CHEAP. The total gas tax on drivers, now, is around 2 cents per mile. Increase it to 3 cents, and people in government would not even know how to spend it all.

But once you start putting tolls on highways, you’re looking at 10 to 15 cents, if they’re government-run. If they are privately owned, like this DINGBAT suggests, then it’s 30 cents to $1.00 per mile.

Again, we only need 3 cents per mile to upgrade and maintain today’s highways (and even expand them)...but this DINGBAT wants us to pay 30 cents to $1.00 per mile to drive? As I said, he is a VERY SICK MAN.


23 posted on 04/17/2012 4:33:16 PM PDT by BobL
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To: bravo whiskey

I’m glad I’ve lived to the age that I’ve been everywhere I ever wanted to go and seen everything I ever wanted to see and done everything I ever wanted to do.


24 posted on 04/17/2012 4:34:23 PM PDT by Terry Mross
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To: cripplecreek

I’m still annoyed with the bike lanes carved out of Brown St. Bikes do NOT fund pavement, paint, sealing and maintenance, yet we who pay through the nose in gas taxes and fees are constantly hit up.

Oh yeah, can’t forget the “rainwater tax” either.


25 posted on 04/17/2012 4:34:23 PM PDT by Kieri (The Conservatrarian)
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To: GonzoGOP

“Any taxes on gas or tolls should go to maintain the roads. Nothing more.”

That NEVER happens, so stop wishing for it. Auto drivers are a “Revenue Engine” in the lingo of transportation planners.

In Pennsylvania, they wanted to put toll booths on I-80...but there was a deal with the feds - all the money had to go to that highway to maintain it. The PA government said NO DEAL, they intended the tolls to pay for public transportation in Philadelphia (along with the highway) - for they knew full-well they could collect in tolls TEN TIMES what it cost to keep the highway maintained.

To their credit, the Obama Administration told them to shove it, and I-80 remains a freeway (for now).


26 posted on 04/17/2012 4:40:23 PM PDT by BobL
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To: cicero2k

““Toll stamps” given out to the politically connected.”

They’re called transponders and yes, they are already given out by the THOUSANDS in the Northeast, to allow people who are connected (or who worked somewhere near a toll booth) to have free passage.

What do people expect, FAIRNESS???


27 posted on 04/17/2012 4:42:16 PM PDT by BobL
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To: Vince Ferrer

“And the tolls will of course be the electric kind that can track your movements.”

Yes, of course. But it’s also covered by high-tech license plate cameras that record every vehicle passing, toll road or not. There is no longer ANY PRIVACY once you leave your driveway (and technically before that, thanks to smart meters).

What has to be done is to force DELETION of this data, or better yet, NO STORAGE, unless something sets off an alarm.

But do you really think that ANYONE other than us gives a damn?


28 posted on 04/17/2012 4:44:58 PM PDT by BobL
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

29 posted on 04/17/2012 4:48:12 PM PDT by Charles Martel (Endeavor to persevere...)
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To: Kieri

McDevitt through Vandercook was cut from two lanes each way to one each way with a bike lane each way and a turn lane. It sucks especially considering the fact that there isn’t that much bike traffic down there.


30 posted on 04/17/2012 4:49:11 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: sam_paine
I think you and I would agree.

I was specifically talking about the ebay and amazon closing up shop. They may reduce their use of interstate trucks, but they won't close up so long as there are substitutes available.
31 posted on 04/17/2012 4:49:33 PM PDT by GonzoGOP (There are millions of paranoid people in the world and they are all out to get me.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Tolls are nothing more than a government jobs program to get more people indebted to the ruling elite and vote for them.

They cause traffic jams and waste fuel so where are the enviro-wackos?

Reasonable road taxes on fuel should pay for all roads and elimination of every toll in the USA should be the real goal unless of course you are attempting to build a permanent voting block.


32 posted on 04/17/2012 4:56:34 PM PDT by Wurlitzer (Welcome to the new USSA (United Socialist States of Amerika))
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Wouldn't tolls on interstate highways be unconstitutional?

Article I Section 9 Clause 4:

No Tax or Duty shall be laid on Articles exported from any State.

Would traveling in your car across state lines constitute an article being taxed by a toll?

Article I Section 9 Clause 5:

No Preference shall be given by any Regulation of Commerce or Revenue to the Ports of one State over those of another: nor shall Vessels bound to, or from, one State, be obliged to enter, clear, or pay Duties in another.

Same argument. Your car on an "interstate highway" is assumed to be a vessel bound from one state to another. Would paying a toll on such a road constitute paying a duty to enter another state?

I've seen tolls on state highways and turnpikes, but not on interstate highways. I know that "interstate" is a description that has likely been morphed into "federally funded," because there are many "interstate" highways that exist only within a state, such as Interstate 12 in Louisiana, or city bypasses like 680 or 595 as offshoots of I-80 in California or I-95 in Florida.

So, is putting tolls on "interstate" highways constitutional?

-PJ

33 posted on 04/17/2012 5:01:49 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (If you can vote for President, then your children can run for President.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

I have an idea. Make the government do what it is supposed to do, and quit doing what it isn’t supposed to do, and there will be enough money to keep the interstates paved and smooth.


34 posted on 04/17/2012 5:12:40 PM PDT by pallis
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

This is BS. States pay a decent percentage - and tax us for it - of interstate repair, it,s not just federal money.

This is part of controlling travel. Tolls will become dhs tollways. This is agenda 21 related.


35 posted on 04/17/2012 5:22:39 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: pacpam

Yes they waste the money on crap other than road and bridge repair.

Plus they waste money building roundabouts instead on regular intersections, coming off the freeway exits/entrances. Cost 12 times what a regular intersection does.


36 posted on 04/17/2012 5:25:04 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: Political Junkie Too

I-294 around Chicago is a toll road. It’s interstate AFAIK.


37 posted on 04/17/2012 5:29:49 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

We have MORE THAN ENOUGH money if the Highway Fund is not pillaged regularly. Likewise, the money would be MORE THAN ADEQUATE if the Union-only contracts were thrown out, and competitive bidding were allowed on Public Works Projects.


38 posted on 04/17/2012 5:34:14 PM PDT by traditional1 (Don't gotsta worry 'bout no mo'gage, don't gotsta worry 'bout no gas; Obama gonna take care o' me!)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer; Diddle E. Squat; deport; maui_hawaii; Ben Ficklin; zeugma; MeekOneGOP; ...
The federal gasoline tax of 18.4 cents a gallon hasn't changed since 1993.

I don't favor having the federal gasoline tax increased to account for inflation. The federal tax pays for pork for high powered incumbent congressmen and senators. Texas, California, and Florida all pay in more money than they receive back (ever heard of the Ted Williams Tunnel). If states want more money for highway projects, they should either increase their own motor fuel taxes or figure out some other way to pay for them.

39 posted on 04/17/2012 5:38:07 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative
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To: ConorMacNessa
Living in the People's Republic of Maryland, I've been used to paying exorbitant tolls for decades. We just got hit with increases for I-95, the bridges over the Susquehanna, the Governor Nice Bridge, the Chesapeake Bay Bridge and the tunnels through Baltimore. When I started driving almost a half-century ago, the trip from the D.C. suburbs to Philadelphia cost a few bucks - gas was $.329 per gallon and the tolls on the way up were less than $5.00. Now, it seems between gas and tolls that the sky is the limit.

Amen!

Drove up from Florida a week ago and don't remember exactly how much I paid in tolls between DC and end of Maryland, but it was about $14 and was wondering how people who use 95 on a regular basis fare with this exhorbitant rip off.

Never mind the many delays and traffic tie ups from all the repair and construction.

40 posted on 04/17/2012 5:45:06 PM PDT by Conservative Vermont Vet (l)
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41 posted on 04/17/2012 5:51:56 PM PDT by RedMDer (https://support.woundedwarriorproject.org/default.aspx?tsid=93)
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To: Conservative Vermont Vet
"Never mind the many delays and traffic tie ups from all the repair and construction."

In May of last year I drove up to Philly for my daughter's graduation from university. We were stuck a solid forty-five minutes in a several-mile backup approaching the toll station at the beginning of the Delaware Turnpike. This was due to construction of improvements to the toll plaza. I might add that the $4.00 toll you pay for the few miles you drive on I-95 through the miniscule state of Delaware is in my view one of the most rapacious rip-offs anywhere!



Nos genuflectitur ad non princeps sed Princeps Pacem!

Listen, O isles, unto me; and hearken, ye people, from far; The LORD hath called me from the womb; from the bowels of my mother hath he made mention of my name. (Isaiah 49:1 KJV)

42 posted on 04/17/2012 5:57:03 PM PDT by ConorMacNessa (HM/2 USN, 3/5 Marines RVN 1969 - St. Michael the Archangel defend us in Battle!)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Transportation funds that don’t pay for roads. Gas taxes that don’t pay for roads. Nope, gotta have tolls on top.


43 posted on 04/17/2012 6:24:26 PM PDT by StAnDeliver (=)
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To: StAnDeliver

Throw a streak of mud across the back of your car to also obscure the first three letters of your plates and you’re good to go.

I refuse to ever pay another toll, one way or another. I’m willing to move, if necessary. Come to think of it, I did, for reasons similar to avoiding tolls.


44 posted on 06/18/2012 11:54:46 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer; a fool in paradise
Freeways + toll roads =


45 posted on 06/18/2012 11:57:11 AM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong!)
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To: Revolting cat!; Slings and Arrows

I belong to a motor club so I get free-tows.

46 posted on 06/18/2012 12:18:11 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (The media ignored the 40th anniversary of Bill Ayers' Pentagon bombing but not Watergate. Ask Why.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

As more cars get away from gasoline, the government is going to need to shoot for new sources to pay for roads.

Or they could just charge $4000 a year to license your car.


47 posted on 06/18/2012 12:22:51 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (The media ignored the 40th anniversary of Bill Ayers' Pentagon bombing but not Watergate. Ask Why.)
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To: Lockbox

In my city, they repainted roads to add a useless, unused bicycle lane. Fewer lanes on the road in each direction means more use in the remaining lanes.

Also, sun wears down a road in the summer even with no traffic.


48 posted on 06/18/2012 12:25:57 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (The media ignored the 40th anniversary of Bill Ayers' Pentagon bombing but not Watergate. Ask Why.)
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To: BobL
Yes, of course. But it’s also covered by high-tech license plate cameras that record every vehicle passing, toll road or not. There is no longer ANY PRIVACY once you leave your driveway (and technically before that, thanks to smart meters).

Since law enforcement agencies have been busted illegally putting tracking devices on observed vehicles, now they will just require that EVERY vehicle be tracked in the absence of any crime or suspicion. You MUST be guilty of something, they just haven't discovered what it may be yet.

49 posted on 06/18/2012 12:34:19 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (The media ignored the 40th anniversary of Bill Ayers' Pentagon bombing but not Watergate. Ask Why.)
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