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Posted on 04/17/2012 4:47:30 PM PDT by Williams
Well it's been about 13 years forgot my initial sign in name, so pretty much from the beginning.
Never wanted to write a Free Republic Opus, love reading news stories here and commenting every day.
Would rather not go out in anger seems pointless.
Then today the owner of the site called me a RINO (I'm not), surrender monkey (not) and told me to write my opus and get out.
My sin was fighting with someone who suggested Obama losing in the latest poll is "bad news".
I could list all the insanity of what is going on here. I've tried to approach Jim Robinson in email to gently suggest the problems we are facing. It's clear from that he is not interested in discussing and resolving anything, which is a shame.
But what kind of man, American, conservative will I be if I worry more about losing my 12 year old screen name versus standing up to people who are espousing the advisability of reelecting Barack Hussein Obama, and yes if I fail to stand up to the owner of a site for calling me a liberal when I am a proud conservative?
What Jim Robinson is doing cannot work because first of all he is NOT attacking the posters who say it is best to reelect Obama. He's offended by anyone who says he is thereby supporting Obama. But he doesn't mind calling us names when we attack the pro Obamas.
OK folks, it's not going to work. You can't really oppose Obama's reelection if you may also oppose the republican's election.
Free Republic has become a house divided against itself and it cannot stand.
I'm a conservative I love my country, I have to wish away to the cornfield anyone who would assist in the reelection of Obama, from whatever misguided motivations.
I stand with Dick Cheney. The other day I had to fight with someone disparaging Cheney here. They were not criticized by the owner.
Jim Robinson owes me an apology. Not planning on getting one. The sad fact is I am not writing this because I'm offended. It's because I want to no longer assist here in the destruction of my country by those who will, to varying degrees, assist in Obama's reelection.
Six or seven liberals on the Supreme Court? Maybe atomic destruction down the pike after our disarmament. Israel destroyed. 2nd Amendment neutered. Obamacare used to deny people medical care based on age and political beliefs. Racial strife. A welfare socialist state. US attorneys going after republicans.
My wife is a cancer survivor who reasonably fears that in the future they will deny her care because she is a registered republican. And she's no RINO, she hates Obama and she won't read Free Republic stories anymore because of what is going on here.
We have a real country and real lives out here that go beyond Jim Robinson's ill advised name calling against sincere conservatives who dare to disagree with him.
So F anyone who calls me a RINO for standing with Dick Cheney and against Barack Obama. I hate RINO's and I despise misguided so called conservatives who do anything to reelect Obama.
13 years, but it's nothing when put to the wall on my beliefs against the left wing democrat party. I have too many mirrors to look in. The people here who are every day posting that it will be best to reelect Obama, should be thrown off. Instead, well...
Either way it’s an act of suicide. It carries the same karma either way.
Everyone knows your beliefs!
If it walks like a rino....
The force is definitely with you! ;^)
true. Plus we will have proven that conservatives will vote for the R no matter what. They don’t have to listen to any protests, they’ll know for a fact that all the dissent is meaningless and toothless.
All three options (poison, bullet, or attack the murderer) lead to the 'suicide', and since one is given an impossible choice, it is not 'suicide', but 'murder', and carries no kharmic stigma.
I just want the GOP to go away.
And how foes defeating Obama stop the socialist takeover of a nation that is already socialist? Romney is a fig leaf offered by the state run media and GOP-e - a pat on the head and a there there to the quaint little conservative American.
Believe me, they’re coming for us. Now or later, they’re coming for everything.
If it walks like a RINO.. hunt it down. Don’t feed it!
Well said Cicero!
While I agree that Romney is a disaster for conservatives and our nation, we are where we are. Oklahoma has already had its primary. Santorum won. I voted Santorum. If this nation chooses Romney, it tells me we need to do more as conservatives and educate our country. The fault does not lie with those of us who feel we'd be better off choosing a RINO over an America-hating Marxist. It lies with those that have brought us to this choice.
My son,(hollywoodusmc) whom many fellow Freepers welcomed back from Iraq, and his wife gave us our first grand-daughter in the last year. I would like to think her future would be better the sooner we remove the marxist. I may be wrong. If I am, I'd like to hear someone make the case, rather than just tell me FU!!, and think that's a persuasive argument.
I realize the last perfect person walked this earth about 2000 years ago. I know folks can say things in frustration they may later regret. Rather than pointing our fingers at each other, maybe we should do what the founders did. Three percent is still a lot more of us than them. While there's time.
Same here ;)
I fail to see what fogs the vision of so many here. Why is it such a shock that the guy who created a conservative site is promoting ideals? And horror of horrors, sticking to them?
It never fails. In any chaotic situation, most people run around like chickens with their heads cut off. And when one guy stands up and says ‘Woha!” the first thing they do is turn on him as if he were the source of the problem. It never fails.
I also find it ‘funny’ that it’s these very same people crying out for ‘leadership’ by conservatives cannot see it in front of their face. Or they see it, but they just don’t like what they see...that they car told to make a choice that may hurt them financially etc. They are told the choice is not easy. They are told to think not just of now, but of the future. It’s the right choice, but they ‘can’t do THAT!!!! Because their home/business/et all may suffer!
The founding fathers put up their own and their family’s lives. Today’s ‘patriots’ cannot be bothered to keep up their principles. What is wrong with this picture?
No I am not surprised that they can’t see leadership. They wouldn’t follow it anyway.
Sounds to me like you are in way over your head. If the best you can do is compare Dick Cheney to Phyllis Diller, I think it's time for you to wipe, flush and get on with your life's work.
You are quite wrong about that. And there is no 'h' in karma.
I believe that's exactly what JimRob did in January. I haven't seen him post anything to make me think he's changed his mind.
I'd put it just a tiny bit differently.."I hope that an Osama Obama repudiation doesnt ride on the Freeper vote".
I’m in til Newt’s out .. then I’m out til Galt’s in !
Why he threw his hat in the ring for Romney....I don't know.
Maybe it's just loyalty to the "Party"...I don't know.
Divided we fall.
Divided we are.
Those who seek to further divide us only further our fall.
Too bad too many refuse to see that.
Romney’s got six months to earn whatever conservative support he can.
Most significantly, he can fundraise for and support Tea Party/conservative candidates for the House (and for the Senate... if there are any).
The ‘anybody but Obama’ meme is very premature.
Well, regardless, If you can’t grasp a clearly made point, then I’ll go about mine and you go about yours.
OK, here it is. If you vote for Romney then you are one of the ones bringing us RINO candidates from the GOP. They take your vote as approval no matter what you think about the candidate when you pull the lever.
I like it! On a similar note, never shy away from giving someone the correct opinion they should hold ;)
But don’t get me wrong. It’s not just me and my keyboard. It’s the FReepers. FR would be nothing but a personal blog if it weren’t for the early FReepers getting involved in 97, 98, 99, and through the impeachment and then the attempted Gore coup d’etat. And it just kept going from there. We seem to have these problems every four years when for whatever the reason the RINOs start pushing for their favorite statist RudyMcRomney. Takes awhile till we settle down and get on with the hard work of resisting tyranny. But this time is a little different. I find it impossible to even think about supporting a filthy abortionist/homosexualist/statist who uses his money and alliance with the high priests of the GOP-e to attack our conservative tea party candidates and drive them out. And I know all the while he’s lying about his 11th hour conversion and will revert right back to statism immediately after he buys the nomination if not before. He’s already let the cat out of the bag through Pam Bondi what HE has planned for us in the way of statist/socialist government imposed compulsory health insurance at the state level, ie, tyranny. If we get RomneyCare or equivalent installed in the majority of states, we’ll never be able to root it out and it’ll be a giant step towards totalitarianism. No thank you. No Romney!!
Listen to Reagan on RomneyCare:
God bless the FReepers and ALL of our keyboards!!
Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!
We are the resistance!!
Pragmatism is a deadly disease the eats away at a true believers freedom!
John Galt signed on as a junior engineer with the Twentieth Century Motor Company in Starnesville, Wisconsin. There he conceived the idea that he could extract static electricity from the atmosphere and use it as an almost limitless source of energy. In 2007 he actually completed a prototypical electrostatic motor and prepared to demonstrate it to his employer, Gerald "Jed" Starnes. His boss, William Hastings, would later provide the temporal clue to Dagny Taggart that Galt was twenty-six years old when he built his prototype.
Then disaster struck. Gerald Starnes died, and his three childrentwo brothers, Gerald Jr. and Eric, and their sister Ivyproposed a radical change in management for the factory. Under this system, people would work according to their ability, but be paid according to their needs.
The employees actually voted in favor of this plan, with no conception of what it would mean. This vote took place in the main assembly bay of the factory. After this vote, Gerald Starnes, Jr. stood up to announce the results. According to the skilled lathe-operator and shop foreman who witnessed it, Mr. Starnes said the following: "This is a great moment in the history of our country! Remember that none of you may leave this place, for you are all bound here by the moral code which we all accept!"
"I don't," said John Galt, who quietly stood up in his place. Every eye sank when it beheld him, because "he stood like a man who knows that he is right."
Galt went on, "I will put an end to this once and for all." Then he turned to walk out of the bay.
Gerald Starnes called after him, "How?"
Galt turned and said, "I will stop the motor of the world."
To understand what John Galt meant by that provocative statement, one needs to understand what is the motor of the world. Ayn Rand's point was that man's mind is the motor of the worldand if you punish a man for using his mind, then sooner or later the mind will refuse to move the world. Thus John Galt proposed not only to quit the factory (which he did, after deliberately wrecking his prototype and removing most of his notes, leaving only enough notes to remind people of what might have been) but also to quit a system that, even beyond one factory with three misguided heirs running it, rewarded failure and punished success.
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I'm trying to figure how that theory pans out; I certainly understand voting based on principle only, but I can't see how that's gonna make a damn bit of difference to the party at large. Romney won tons of votes in the primaries from people who identfied themselves as Tea Party members - they had the choice between the candidates and still picked Romney (I voted for Santorum).
How is voting third party on the Presidential line going to identify us as conservatives angry enough at the GOP to vote for someone else? Won't the media, etc., just assume Obama had more voters show up?
You’ve been here longer than the site owner!
Very true. Hindsight being 2020, when we voted for McCain because of Palin (those who did) we ended up sealing our fate. We were terrified of what Obama would do, so ve voted to stop that.
And because of our votes, we basically told the GOP that they could continue running RINO/libs and we’d play along of the price was right. Had McCain lost in a landslide, this election ‘could’ have resulted in a truly conservative candidate. At the vary least, a more conservative one than McCain.
I mean just look at the track record. The GOP faught tooth and nail to stop Ronaldus Magnus and has not run a truly conservative candidate since. Ans since bush the liberalism in the GOP has escalated by orders of magnitude...because we keep voting for that.
So lets say Romney pulls it off. Imagine what the GOP will run next. Those who forget history are condemned to repeat it.
Did laz advocate something here? All I saw was him encouraging Williams to take a break.
its happened before...lots of people have left over such things....
If you choose to die, or participate by acquiescence in your death, that is suicide. If you choose to fight, regardless of how hopeless the odds are, your are not committing suicide you are fighting for life. The intention you make and act on is to either choose life or choose death.
You can believe what you want to about whether there are spiritual consequences to that choice but if you ever thought your choices were about deciding the outcome of events then you are deluding yourself. No man knows the course of the future. There are always other conditions other than the ones you impose on a situation.
do you or do you not think that bamey and his minions are the greatest evil this country has ever seen, in every way imaginable...
you'd let your family burn in a house just because you didn't think the kids cleaned their room up properly....
The total votes in each party are always tallied and analyzed against how many people were eligible to vote, how many voted before and polls are taken ad-nauseum about who you did or didn’t vote for and why. They do that in every precinct in the country. The press may not publish and comment on all those results but the GOPe will certainly get them and pore over them to see what happened.
I didn't bring him. I would never have brought him. And I will not be "one of the ones" bringing him. How about we purge the GOP? This has been in the making for a long time. Even Santorum was not as conservative as I would have liked. Look at the choices we have now. It wasn't that long ago that Newt was attacking capitalism and sounding just like Obama. And Romney? Pleeeeaaase! He might as well say he's sorry for being rich and he won't let it happen again.
We got here by excusing the GOP and chalking it up to them being naive. They aren't. It's deliberate. Will we have more time to fix it under Obama or the RINO?
Seems like a couple lifetimes ago . . .
. . actually, it WAS a couple lifetimes ago !
How do you purge it when you give them the only thing they want? Your vote. A vote for Romney will be taken as approval of Romney. Period!
boy, what passes for respect for a long time freeper.....
You choose the gun and immediately shoot the evil MF with it !
OK... those who are ABO... are you going to lie about Romney’s record and tell us he’s a conservative? Are you going to get angry when someone writes about Romney’s record in Massataxes?
Because you know it’ll happen. I have seen it happen on other forums. On some forums he is a rock solid conservative and anyone who says different is wrong!
I understand that the parties calculate how many of their registered voters actually voted, but how can they tell if we are voting third party or write-in to send a message? I'm guessing that the only message they will get is that we perfer Obama or at least didn't care if he got reelected.
This wasn't directed at me, but I wanted to comment. I have nothing but great respect for Vice President Cheney. He is definitely not a RINO. I was, however, deeply disappointed to hear of his support for Romney. He's right the vast majority of the time, but sadly I think this isn't one those times.
how many of us are you trying to chase away?....50% of freepers?...80%?....and that is going to make you feel superior?...because you're "Pure"?...
I am NO fan of Romney. Most any other candidate, except for Paul would have been preferable. But I will hold my nose and vote for Mitt, because I desperately fear what four more years of Obama, even with GOP control of the House and Senate, and with more conservative caucuses, will do do this Country. One fact is enough...The next president will appoint from 1-3 Supreme Court Justices.
And yes, I understand that Newt is still in the race, and it's not officially over..so don't clobber me with that one.
But let me ask you one question, if I may.
Assume, hypothetically, that in 2000, Jim Robinson and many others here had been equally as opposed to George Bush. There are 2000+ Freepers in the state of Florida.
If just 25% of them had decided NOT to vote for W, then Gore would have been elected president. Think about it. Can you imagine 9/11 with Gore in the WH? Can you imagine what SCOTUS would look like today, without Roberts or Alito?
Nope, gotta hold my nose and vote for Mittens. And work hard to elect conservative candidates to Congress this fall..and trust that a GOP controlled House and Senate will corral Mitt, if, IF, he strays off the resrrvation. Nope