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Posted on 04/17/2012 4:47:30 PM PDT by Williams

Well it's been about 13 years forgot my initial sign in name, so pretty much from the beginning.

Never wanted to write a Free Republic Opus, love reading news stories here and commenting every day.

Would rather not go out in anger seems pointless.

Then today the owner of the site called me a RINO (I'm not), surrender monkey (not) and told me to write my opus and get out.

My sin was fighting with someone who suggested Obama losing in the latest poll is "bad news".

I could list all the insanity of what is going on here. I've tried to approach Jim Robinson in email to gently suggest the problems we are facing. It's clear from that he is not interested in discussing and resolving anything, which is a shame.

But what kind of man, American, conservative will I be if I worry more about losing my 12 year old screen name versus standing up to people who are espousing the advisability of reelecting Barack Hussein Obama, and yes if I fail to stand up to the owner of a site for calling me a liberal when I am a proud conservative?

What Jim Robinson is doing cannot work because first of all he is NOT attacking the posters who say it is best to reelect Obama. He's offended by anyone who says he is thereby supporting Obama. But he doesn't mind calling us names when we attack the pro Obamas.

OK folks, it's not going to work. You can't really oppose Obama's reelection if you may also oppose the republican's election.

Free Republic has become a house divided against itself and it cannot stand.

I'm a conservative I love my country, I have to wish away to the cornfield anyone who would assist in the reelection of Obama, from whatever misguided motivations.

I stand with Dick Cheney. The other day I had to fight with someone disparaging Cheney here. They were not criticized by the owner.

Jim Robinson owes me an apology. Not planning on getting one. The sad fact is I am not writing this because I'm offended. It's because I want to no longer assist here in the destruction of my country by those who will, to varying degrees, assist in Obama's reelection.

Six or seven liberals on the Supreme Court? Maybe atomic destruction down the pike after our disarmament. Israel destroyed. 2nd Amendment neutered. Obamacare used to deny people medical care based on age and political beliefs. Racial strife. A welfare socialist state. US attorneys going after republicans.

My wife is a cancer survivor who reasonably fears that in the future they will deny her care because she is a registered republican. And she's no RINO, she hates Obama and she won't read Free Republic stories anymore because of what is going on here.

We have a real country and real lives out here that go beyond Jim Robinson's ill advised name calling against sincere conservatives who dare to disagree with him.

So F anyone who calls me a RINO for standing with Dick Cheney and against Barack Obama. I hate RINO's and I despise misguided so called conservatives who do anything to reelect Obama.

13 years, but it's nothing when put to the wall on my beliefs against the left wing democrat party. I have too many mirrors to look in. The people here who are every day posting that it will be best to reelect Obama, should be thrown off. Instead, well...

It's over.

TOPICS: Politics/Elections; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: aobtd; defeatobama; fourmoreyears; goodfreepergone; jimrobinson; nooooooo; opus; suicidepill
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To: Norm Lenhart

A few here - and that’s just one thread.
There have been many!

301 posted on 04/17/2012 9:27:25 PM PDT by Velveeta (ABO)
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To: Ramius
There will be two choices.

That is false. There will be many choices.

But when you tell a conservative, on a conservative site, saying they will vote conservative, that they are responsible for electing a Marxist... that's over the top.


302 posted on 04/17/2012 9:27:41 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Norm Lenhart

Edit “How does my post for Newt, not Mitt, increase Obama’s vote count by one.

303 posted on 04/17/2012 9:27:50 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: CharlesWayneCT

Thanks, Shabazz.

304 posted on 04/17/2012 9:28:29 PM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: Windflier
Explain to us how you make a pragmatic choice between two dyed-in-the-wool liberals?

If you think Obama is a "liberal" you're delusional.

305 posted on 04/17/2012 9:28:50 PM PDT by denydenydeny (Admiration of absolute government is proportionate to the contempt one has for others.-Tocqueville)
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To: Velveeta

That is about freaking retarded. Disgusting regardless of why. I truly hope he was venting.

306 posted on 04/17/2012 9:30:39 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: Norm Lenhart

What lie? WTF are you taking about? I don’t lie.

How very Commie of you.

307 posted on 04/17/2012 9:30:39 PM PDT by Velveeta (ABO)
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To: CitizenUSA


308 posted on 04/17/2012 9:32:57 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: denydenydeny

Today, I see little to no difference between liberal and marxist. They are interchangeable. 10 years ago there was. Today, none I’m aware of.

309 posted on 04/17/2012 9:33:06 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: Velveeta
He also said;

Oh yes I am a conservative. And in voting for Obama the GOP will be destroyed, and then?

Maybe then you will have enough back bone to form a genuine conservative party, and back it, instead of attempting to prevent the revenge of Conservatives against the GOP. The GOP deserves it.

310 posted on 04/17/2012 9:34:33 PM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: Norm Lenhart
I'll take a crack at it.

Just like a Vote for Perot ended up being a Vote for Clinton?


Just like a Vote for Nader ended up being a Vote for Bush?

311 posted on 04/17/2012 9:35:54 PM PDT by Kickass Conservative (A day without Obama is like a day without a Tsunami.)
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To: Williams

With a thread such as this one, "We ain't winning," says Winnie!

312 posted on 04/17/2012 9:36:13 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: Lazamataz

I used to consider escape to Panama or similar place. However I am convinced that the world will follow where America goes.

313 posted on 04/17/2012 9:36:53 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Velveeta

Well for starters you can direct me to your post explaining how one can vote for a person like Romney/a man with his record on abortion/gays/mandates/global warming et all, without giving up everything a conservative ‘IS’. A classic impossible task.

Otherwise, I maintain you did not answer my question.

314 posted on 04/17/2012 9:37:30 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: JRandomFreeper
Trying to equate staying home or saying you will vote for a conservative with a vote for Obama is most definitely beyond the pale.

Personally, I don't care who they vote for, but trying to convince us to vote for someone who is the opposite of our beliefs is wrong.

Its already being done on other threads. We would have to lie to ourselves and avoid the facts in order to support Romney. I have seen threads where anything critical of a Romney positions is said to be pro-Obama.

That is deliriously stupid.

315 posted on 04/17/2012 9:38:29 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: Norm Lenhart
I know you can actually make an effective argument, so it is always amusing how you work so hard to avoid it.

OK, so I read your entire comment, and here was the SINGLE question you asked:

Now will you address my questions or will this turn, yet again into a multi page exercise in avoidance?


See, I answered the question.

Before I go back to re-answer your PREVIOUS questions, I will point out that you have drawn a restrictive and false hypothesis to try to make your argument sound better than it was. The "party platform" is drawn up by a small committee of elected delegates at a presidential convention once every 4 years -- the same elected delegates who then choose the nominee to represent the party. To argue that the "platform" defines what "republican" is, and the chosen nominee could be a "not republican" is illogical.

Here was your previous question, lacking a question mark but still a question:

As a matter of logic and principle Charles, please explain in detail how voting for a ‘Republican’ candidate who opposes the Republican party platform does not make both of you RINOS by the accepted definition of the term.

I answered that in detail. I can't help your inability to understand or discuss or refute that answer.

My answer was detailed and covered your question thoroughly.

I refuted the premise of your question, the structure of your question, and then answered your question showing how both by definition, logic, and application your assertion by question was faulty.

I will again point out that your PREMISE would make Newt Gingrich a RINO, since endorsing a candidate is a stronger act than simply voting for the candidate, and by any measure Dede was opposed to the national Republican party platform, and he endorsed her. But by the "accepted definition" here at FR, Newt is not a RINO.

316 posted on 04/17/2012 9:38:35 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Fledermaus

So says the guy who considers himself 100% Batman according to his profile page.

Do you also consider Bammy to be a superhero?

317 posted on 04/17/2012 9:38:35 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Kickass Conservative

Except for the niggling little detail that those votes were cast for Perot and Nader. Clinton nor Gore received any of those votes.

They WERE cast by their respective voters FOR P/N afterall. And counted FOR P/N.

318 posted on 04/17/2012 9:40:44 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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Look at some of the posts on this thread.

We will soon have to stop being pro-life, anti-gay agenda, pro-gun and all that to keep the Romneybots happy. Any and all critical comments about him or positions he might be associated with will make them mad.

319 posted on 04/17/2012 9:43:22 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: what's up

And Obama was a danger in 2008. McCain was the hero? And Bill Clinton was a danger in 1992, a reason to go hold hog on Bush 41 after four years of being played? Frankly, I’d take Clinton now with a true conservative GOP Congress as we had in 1995.

Bush 43 was the least conservative candidate in 2000 so I have to accept that fact because Gore was worse? And Bush barely won being a “compassionate conservative” so you are arguing the margins.

Kerry was such a caricature it shouldn’t have been close either but it was. Again, enjoy living on the margins that make the GOP cave to Dem ideas as Bush (both of them) did. W couldn’t even get a tax rate cut through Congress because of the RINO’s you now say to support like McCain and others that demanded, with the Dems, a deadline on those rates. Then Obama gets to hammer the new GOP House majority, in a lame duck session, over the head and win the day on preserving those rates but demanded concesssions.

How again are your RINO’s helping us go forward? Seems to me it’s like begging to tread water. Sooner or later the tide will take you.

Oh, I forgot. This time Romney supposedly comes with a guarantee that conservatives, like those you listed, are going to “hold his feet to the fire”. Yeah, right. The only victories with Bush were Harriet Myers and shoving amnesty back down their throats but only after being called, by your RINO buddies, all kinds of names. Especially from McCain and Graham.

Oh, but I’m supposed to just jump right back in line and shut the hell up. Your list are politicians and party elected party members so I understand their stance. Nugent, I don’t understand. I would have thought he would have been stronger.

That being said, I don’t know if he supported any other candidate in the primary. But now that Romney is going to get the nomination he wants to jump on the wagon. I don’t.

320 posted on 04/17/2012 9:44:30 PM PDT by Fledermaus (Democrats are dangerous and evil. Republicans are just useless and useful idiots.)
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