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Posted on 04/17/2012 4:47:30 PM PDT by Williams

Well it's been about 13 years forgot my initial sign in name, so pretty much from the beginning.

Never wanted to write a Free Republic Opus, love reading news stories here and commenting every day.

Would rather not go out in anger seems pointless.

Then today the owner of the site called me a RINO (I'm not), surrender monkey (not) and told me to write my opus and get out.

My sin was fighting with someone who suggested Obama losing in the latest poll is "bad news".

I could list all the insanity of what is going on here. I've tried to approach Jim Robinson in email to gently suggest the problems we are facing. It's clear from that he is not interested in discussing and resolving anything, which is a shame.

But what kind of man, American, conservative will I be if I worry more about losing my 12 year old screen name versus standing up to people who are espousing the advisability of reelecting Barack Hussein Obama, and yes if I fail to stand up to the owner of a site for calling me a liberal when I am a proud conservative?

What Jim Robinson is doing cannot work because first of all he is NOT attacking the posters who say it is best to reelect Obama. He's offended by anyone who says he is thereby supporting Obama. But he doesn't mind calling us names when we attack the pro Obamas.

OK folks, it's not going to work. You can't really oppose Obama's reelection if you may also oppose the republican's election.

Free Republic has become a house divided against itself and it cannot stand.

I'm a conservative I love my country, I have to wish away to the cornfield anyone who would assist in the reelection of Obama, from whatever misguided motivations.

I stand with Dick Cheney. The other day I had to fight with someone disparaging Cheney here. They were not criticized by the owner.

Jim Robinson owes me an apology. Not planning on getting one. The sad fact is I am not writing this because I'm offended. It's because I want to no longer assist here in the destruction of my country by those who will, to varying degrees, assist in Obama's reelection.

Six or seven liberals on the Supreme Court? Maybe atomic destruction down the pike after our disarmament. Israel destroyed. 2nd Amendment neutered. Obamacare used to deny people medical care based on age and political beliefs. Racial strife. A welfare socialist state. US attorneys going after republicans.

My wife is a cancer survivor who reasonably fears that in the future they will deny her care because she is a registered republican. And she's no RINO, she hates Obama and she won't read Free Republic stories anymore because of what is going on here.

We have a real country and real lives out here that go beyond Jim Robinson's ill advised name calling against sincere conservatives who dare to disagree with him.

So F anyone who calls me a RINO for standing with Dick Cheney and against Barack Obama. I hate RINO's and I despise misguided so called conservatives who do anything to reelect Obama.

13 years, but it's nothing when put to the wall on my beliefs against the left wing democrat party. I have too many mirrors to look in. The people here who are every day posting that it will be best to reelect Obama, should be thrown off. Instead, well...

It's over.


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To: Norm Lenhart

A few here - and that’s just one thread.
There have been many!

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2872571/replies?c=2


301 posted on 04/17/2012 9:27:25 PM PDT by Velveeta (ABO)
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To: Ramius
There will be two choices.

That is false. There will be many choices.

But when you tell a conservative, on a conservative site, saying they will vote conservative, that they are responsible for electing a Marxist... that's over the top.

/johnny

302 posted on 04/17/2012 9:27:41 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Norm Lenhart

Edit “How does my post for Newt, not Mitt, increase Obama’s vote count by one.


303 posted on 04/17/2012 9:27:50 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: CharlesWayneCT

Thanks, Shabazz.


304 posted on 04/17/2012 9:28:29 PM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: Windflier
Explain to us how you make a pragmatic choice between two dyed-in-the-wool liberals?

If you think Obama is a "liberal" you're delusional.

305 posted on 04/17/2012 9:28:50 PM PDT by denydenydeny (Admiration of absolute government is proportionate to the contempt one has for others.-Tocqueville)
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To: Velveeta

That is about freaking retarded. Disgusting regardless of why. I truly hope he was venting.


306 posted on 04/17/2012 9:30:39 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: Norm Lenhart

What lie? WTF are you taking about? I don’t lie.

How very Commie of you.


307 posted on 04/17/2012 9:30:39 PM PDT by Velveeta (ABO)
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To: CitizenUSA

bump


308 posted on 04/17/2012 9:32:57 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: denydenydeny

Today, I see little to no difference between liberal and marxist. They are interchangeable. 10 years ago there was. Today, none I’m aware of.


309 posted on 04/17/2012 9:33:06 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: Velveeta
He also said;

Oh yes I am a conservative. And in voting for Obama the GOP will be destroyed, and then?

Maybe then you will have enough back bone to form a genuine conservative party, and back it, instead of attempting to prevent the revenge of Conservatives against the GOP. The GOP deserves it.


310 posted on 04/17/2012 9:34:33 PM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: Norm Lenhart
I'll take a crack at it.

Just like a Vote for Perot ended up being a Vote for Clinton?

OR

Just like a Vote for Nader ended up being a Vote for Bush?
THANK GOD!!!!

311 posted on 04/17/2012 9:35:54 PM PDT by Kickass Conservative (A day without Obama is like a day without a Tsunami.)
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To: Williams

With a thread such as this one, "We ain't winning," says Winnie!

312 posted on 04/17/2012 9:36:13 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: Lazamataz

I used to consider escape to Panama or similar place. However I am convinced that the world will follow where America goes.


313 posted on 04/17/2012 9:36:53 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Velveeta

Well for starters you can direct me to your post explaining how one can vote for a person like Romney/a man with his record on abortion/gays/mandates/global warming et all, without giving up everything a conservative ‘IS’. A classic impossible task.

Otherwise, I maintain you did not answer my question.


314 posted on 04/17/2012 9:37:30 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: JRandomFreeper
Trying to equate staying home or saying you will vote for a conservative with a vote for Obama is most definitely beyond the pale.

Personally, I don't care who they vote for, but trying to convince us to vote for someone who is the opposite of our beliefs is wrong.

Its already being done on other threads. We would have to lie to ourselves and avoid the facts in order to support Romney. I have seen threads where anything critical of a Romney positions is said to be pro-Obama.

That is deliriously stupid.


315 posted on 04/17/2012 9:38:29 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: Norm Lenhart
I know you can actually make an effective argument, so it is always amusing how you work so hard to avoid it.

OK, so I read your entire comment, and here was the SINGLE question you asked:

Now will you address my questions or will this turn, yet again into a multi page exercise in avoidance?

Yes.

See, I answered the question.

Before I go back to re-answer your PREVIOUS questions, I will point out that you have drawn a restrictive and false hypothesis to try to make your argument sound better than it was. The "party platform" is drawn up by a small committee of elected delegates at a presidential convention once every 4 years -- the same elected delegates who then choose the nominee to represent the party. To argue that the "platform" defines what "republican" is, and the chosen nominee could be a "not republican" is illogical.

Here was your previous question, lacking a question mark but still a question:

As a matter of logic and principle Charles, please explain in detail how voting for a ‘Republican’ candidate who opposes the Republican party platform does not make both of you RINOS by the accepted definition of the term.

I answered that in detail. I can't help your inability to understand or discuss or refute that answer.

My answer was detailed and covered your question thoroughly.

I refuted the premise of your question, the structure of your question, and then answered your question showing how both by definition, logic, and application your assertion by question was faulty.

I will again point out that your PREMISE would make Newt Gingrich a RINO, since endorsing a candidate is a stronger act than simply voting for the candidate, and by any measure Dede was opposed to the national Republican party platform, and he endorsed her. But by the "accepted definition" here at FR, Newt is not a RINO.

316 posted on 04/17/2012 9:38:35 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Fledermaus

So says the guy who considers himself 100% Batman according to his profile page.

Do you also consider Bammy to be a superhero?


317 posted on 04/17/2012 9:38:35 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Kickass Conservative

Except for the niggling little detail that those votes were cast for Perot and Nader. Clinton nor Gore received any of those votes.

They WERE cast by their respective voters FOR P/N afterall. And counted FOR P/N.


318 posted on 04/17/2012 9:40:44 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2873460/posts

Look at some of the posts on this thread.

We will soon have to stop being pro-life, anti-gay agenda, pro-gun and all that to keep the Romneybots happy. Any and all critical comments about him or positions he might be associated with will make them mad.


319 posted on 04/17/2012 9:43:22 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: what's up

And Obama was a danger in 2008. McCain was the hero? And Bill Clinton was a danger in 1992, a reason to go hold hog on Bush 41 after four years of being played? Frankly, I’d take Clinton now with a true conservative GOP Congress as we had in 1995.

Bush 43 was the least conservative candidate in 2000 so I have to accept that fact because Gore was worse? And Bush barely won being a “compassionate conservative” so you are arguing the margins.

Kerry was such a caricature it shouldn’t have been close either but it was. Again, enjoy living on the margins that make the GOP cave to Dem ideas as Bush (both of them) did. W couldn’t even get a tax rate cut through Congress because of the RINO’s you now say to support like McCain and others that demanded, with the Dems, a deadline on those rates. Then Obama gets to hammer the new GOP House majority, in a lame duck session, over the head and win the day on preserving those rates but demanded concesssions.

How again are your RINO’s helping us go forward? Seems to me it’s like begging to tread water. Sooner or later the tide will take you.

Oh, I forgot. This time Romney supposedly comes with a guarantee that conservatives, like those you listed, are going to “hold his feet to the fire”. Yeah, right. The only victories with Bush were Harriet Myers and shoving amnesty back down their throats but only after being called, by your RINO buddies, all kinds of names. Especially from McCain and Graham.

Oh, but I’m supposed to just jump right back in line and shut the hell up. Your list are politicians and party elected party members so I understand their stance. Nugent, I don’t understand. I would have thought he would have been stronger.

That being said, I don’t know if he supported any other candidate in the primary. But now that Romney is going to get the nomination he wants to jump on the wagon. I don’t.


320 posted on 04/17/2012 9:44:30 PM PDT by Fledermaus (Democrats are dangerous and evil. Republicans are just useless and useful idiots.)
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To: Velveeta; Norm Lenhart

Occasionally, Norm doesn’t like answers, so he pretends you didn’t actually answer his questions. Then he sometimes re-words his questions and acts like they are the same question, and keeps asking until you give up, and then claims you won’t answer his questions.

I know he’s a smart guy, so I keep answering his questions anyway because i figure after he finishes posturing for the thread he might actually understand the answer.


321 posted on 04/17/2012 9:44:30 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: All

Click The Pic

In politics the middle way is none at all. John Adams

322 posted on 04/17/2012 9:46:06 PM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: CharlesWayneCT

Charles, you did not answer because you COULD not. I asked a series of impossible questions. We go through this every couple months, you and I. Last time it was the border fence where we pro border fencers were told that constructing such was impossible. When that failed, the pro-illegal faction of FR resorted to claiming we wanted dead Mexican children BBQd on an electric fence.

Here, we are told that contrary to reality, voting for Newt means a vote for Obama, that the world will end otherwise and that maintaining ones principles is NOT conservative, but abandoning them advances the conservative cause.

I learned my lesson last time. Arguing with you yields no positive result since you cannot stipulate to the most basic facts of the discussion.

So have the last word.


323 posted on 04/17/2012 9:47:43 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: driftdiver
The greatest. He has no super powers. Just his intelligence and strength. And money.

And what does a reference to Batman have to do with you listing some percentages of some test you obviously took online (but didn't list) that you self identify, in reality, with being liberal 25% of the time on some issues?

324 posted on 04/17/2012 9:48:15 PM PDT by Fledermaus (Democrats are dangerous and evil. Republicans are just useless and useful idiots.)
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To: TigersEye
He's got a lot of executive experience and employed people who worked real jobs. I'll take that over the community agitator who has no clue what a real job is.

I saw Ann Romney say that she and her husband will never support embryonic stem cell research. Now, she could be lying and they could turn right around and change that position, but I'll take her promise over Obama who over-turned the Bush policy on stem cell research almost immediately after taking office.

Not saying Romney's stellar by any stretch but here's just a couple of significant differences between the two IMO.

325 posted on 04/17/2012 9:49:47 PM PDT by what's up
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To: Norm Lenhart
how one can vote for a person like Romney/a man with his record on abortion/gays/mandates/global warming et all, without giving up everything a conservative ‘IS’

IF Mitt is last man standing (I haven't given up on Newt) I will have to take a leap of faith and pray that NOW that Mitt says he is anti-abortion, he's telling the truth. Same answer for gays/mandates/global warming et al.

So IF Mitt is the last man standing verses the OMarxist, my conservativism will be exercised by voting AGAINST Obama - who DESPISES my country.

Has that answered your question?

326 posted on 04/17/2012 9:50:38 PM PDT by Velveeta (ABO)
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To: Fledermaus

Batman isn’t real just like your logic isn’t real.

So stop with the personal attacks if you want to be taken seriously.


327 posted on 04/17/2012 9:52:58 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: GeronL
many of you are willing to abandon your principles

I don't think voting against Obama to avoid seeing Michelle triumphantly get power over me again is abandoning my principles.

My bank account can't afford another 4 years of Obama...my savings account is a big principle with me.

328 posted on 04/17/2012 9:53:06 PM PDT by what's up
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To: what's up

You will take what they say over their lifelong love of abortion by action?


329 posted on 04/17/2012 9:53:48 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: what's up
Could be lying? I think JimRob nailed Romney...

"Romney is a pathological compulsive liar. Lie after lie papered over with more lies. Doesn’t even flinch when caught in bald faced lies, simply tells another big whopper to cover up or dodge the issue. He cannot lie his way out of his decades long record of support for abortion, Roe v Wade, planned parenthood,..."

Not to mention $50 taxpayer funded abortions in MassCare. There's your pro-life guy.

330 posted on 04/17/2012 9:53:57 PM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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No RINOs

No Romney.

No way.

 

Things are going to get really hot in this country the next couple of years.

We're all going to live in interesting times.

331 posted on 04/17/2012 9:54:12 PM PDT by zeugma (Those of us who work for a living are outnumbered by those who vote for a living.)
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To: Fledermaus

BTW what do you have against stuff online, since you are in fact participating in this online forum.


332 posted on 04/17/2012 9:54:21 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Norm Lenhart
Me thinks you missed the point, but that's OK.

If not for Perot, there would have been no President Clinton.

I could say the same about Nader, but with no President Clinton there probably would have been a different GOP Nominee in 2000.

It's that Space Time Continuum thingy, or is it that Butterfly Effect thingy? Glad you're here Norm. You keep my Blood Pressure up and I think I do the same for you. LOL I love the internet.

333 posted on 04/17/2012 9:54:35 PM PDT by Kickass Conservative (A day without Obama is like a day without a Tsunami.)
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To: what's up
Because Romney would never, ever lie or flipflop for political reasons... lol


334 posted on 04/17/2012 9:55:35 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: what's up
"A thing moderately good is not so good as it ought to be. Moderation in temper is always a virtue; but moderation in principle is always a vice." - Thomas Paine 1792

Click The Pic

335 posted on 04/17/2012 9:55:53 PM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: GeronL; Jim Robinson
I'd rather have a Gideon's band of stalwart conservatives here on FR than go-along-to-get-along 'pragmatists' that drop their 'conservative' principles to get an R in the white-house, regardless of his liberal, statist record.

Especially this early in the process. A lot can happen in 6 months.

/johnny

336 posted on 04/17/2012 9:58:15 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Velveeta

It said a lot about why you will but not one word about how exactly, as I asked you can do so without abandoning your conservatism.

A conservative, by definition is a person of principle. If he abandons those principles, then his conservative beliefs are gone. They have nothing to support them.

Faith in Romney, prayer et all, is not sticking to what you believe. If it was, why would you have to resort to faith/prayer to begin with? You are abandoning what you believe and have faith/prayer that turns out well.

Again, How do you keep the conservatism and vote Romney? You are talking all around the issue, again ‘why’ you will vote for him, but not remotely addressing it.


337 posted on 04/17/2012 10:00:04 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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I think the poster report for this thread is interesting. The average poster seniority is 10.7 years.

Opus Time

Poster Report

Rank Poster FR
Age
Posts Replies Replies
per Post
1 Williams 14.4y 1 60 60.0
2 kik5150 7.6y 1 0 0.0
3 cweese 11.5y 1 3 3.0
4 Gay State Conservative 7.5y 3 4 1.3
5 Lazamataz 12.9y 14 20 1.4
6 Norm Lenhart 13.3y 37 30 0.8
7 driftdiver 6.2y 6 6 1.0
8 TigersEye 11.7y 30 19 0.6
9 Misterioso 11.4y 1 1 1.0
10 tet68 13.5y 1 0 0.0
11 Navy Patriot 10.6y 2 1 0.5
12 trisham 10.2y 1 0 0.0
13 Windflier 4.9y 3 5 1.7
14 Jim Robinson 14.4y 8 12 1.5
15 Oldeconomybuyer 11.4y 1 2 2.0
16 Responsibility2nd 6.4y 2 0 0.0
17 DB 14.2y 4 2 0.5
18 ladyjane 13.5y 1 0 0.0
19 true believer forever 1.9y 2 1 0.5
20 Arrowhead1952 8.7y 1 0 0.0
21 mkjessup 9.1y 3 5 1.7
22 Billthedrill 13.6y 2 1 0.5
23 Mr. K 13.0y 1 0 0.0
24 B Knotts 13.4y 1 3 3.0
25 GeronL 12.5y 27 14 0.5
26 beandog 7.6y 3 5 1.7
27 terryt 9.0y 1 0 0.0
28 US_MilitaryRules 10.5y 1 1 1.0
29 The KG9 Kid 14.1y 2 0 0.0
30 fish hawk 11.0y 2 5 2.5
31 OwenKellogg 13.2y 1 0 0.0
32 eddie willers 13.2y 1 1 1.0
33 WinOne4TheGipper 8.6y 1 1 1.0
34 what's up 14.2y 4 7 1.8
35 Ramius 12.3y 7 18 2.6
36 Cicero 14.2y 1 4 4.0
37 mnehring 10.9y 4 2 0.5
38 COBOL2Java 11.7y 1 0 0.0
39 E. Pluribus Unum 13.4y 1 0 0.0
40 billys kid 4.2m 1 1 1.0
41 Hot Tabasco 13.1y 1 2 2.0
42 JediJones 9.6y 3 4 1.3
43 SunTzuWu 13.5y 1 1 1.0
44 Dianna 11.6y 1 2 2.0
45 Kharis13 11.6y 1 0 0.0
46 freeandfreezing 8.6y 1 0 0.0
47 atc23 5.2y 3 1 0.3
48 Engraved-on-His-hands 8.4y 1 1 1.0
49 Doe Eyes 11.0y 1 1 1.0
50 Semper911 10.6y 1 0 0.0
51 outofstyle 11.4y 1 0 0.0
52 APatientMan 1.9y 1 0 0.0
53 RandallFlagg 12.3y 1 0 0.0
54 rollo tomasi 9.0y 1 0 0.0
55 Randy Larsen 13.5y 5 5 1.0
56 Born to Conserve 10.6y 1 0 0.0
57 optiguy 12.9y 5 5 1.0
58 hinckley buzzard 13.3y 1 1 1.0
59 lonevoice 10.9y 1 0 0.0
60 tomkat 11.5y 4 1 0.3
61 Osage Orange 11.4y 2 1 0.5
62 mrsmith 13.8y 1 0 0.0
63 TonyInOhio 11.5y 4 6 1.5
64 Outlaw Woman 3.5y 1 1 1.0
65 cherry 11.8y 5 2 0.4
66 SamAdams76 14.4y 1 0 0.0
67 KJC1 7.5y 2 2 1.0
68 VRWC For Truth 12.2y 9 4 0.4
69 ken5050 14.0y 2 3 1.5
70 SandyInSeattle 9.1y 1 0 0.0
71 familyop 10.3y 1 0 0.0
72 John W 12.8y 1 1 1.0
73 Velveeta 9.5y 14 17 1.2
74 CitizenUSA 8.0y 2 1 0.5
75 Tainan 5.3y 1 0 0.0
76 CharlesWayneCT 7.2y 12 9 0.8
77 AnTiw1 3.7m 2 0 0.0
78 JRandomFreeper 12.3y 6 3 0.5
79 norwaypinesavage 10.7y 2 3 1.5
80 The Duke 14.4y 1 2 2.0
81 roamer_1 10.4y 1 0 0.0
82 Political Junkie Too 11.4y 5 0 0.0
83 exit82 13.3y 1 1 1.0
84 bella1 9.2y 2 2 1.0
85 editor-surveyor 14.1y 1 0 0.0
86 right way right 11.5y 1 0 0.0
87 terycarl 14.1y 4 2 0.5
88 zzeeman 2.1y 1 0 0.0
89 Revolting cat! 10.8y 2 1 0.5
90 SCalGal 10.4y 2 2 1.0
91 vetvetdoug 14.1y 1 0 0.0
92 lonestar 14.2y 1 0 0.0
93 TADSLOS 10.5y 1 0 0.0
94 Fledermaus 14.2y 9 6 0.7
95 Smokin' Joe 13.0y 1 0 0.0
96 Nik Naym 10.1y 5 2 0.4
97 glock rocks 10.8y 1 0 0.0
98 denydenydeny 13.5y 1 1 1.0
99 Kickass Conservative 7.6y 1 1 1.0
100 zeugma 14.0y 1 0 0.0

332 total posts, by 100 distinct posters. 3.3 average posts per poster.
Average poster seniority: 10.7y.
338 posted on 04/17/2012 10:00:23 PM PDT by zeugma (Those of us who work for a living are outnumbered by those who vote for a living.)
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To: JRandomFreeper

bump!!

Good night everybody


339 posted on 04/17/2012 10:00:52 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: Kickass Conservative
If not for Perot, there would have been no President Clinton.

Without the GOP pushing their guy that lied to us and expected us to vote for him again, there would have been no Perot.

/johnny

340 posted on 04/17/2012 10:01:45 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Fledermaus
And Bill Clinton was a danger in 1992, a reason to go hold hog

The Perot votes gave us Clinton.

We would have done better without a Clinton.

No Travelgate, No Monicagate, No Waco, and I believe no 9/11 because the first WTC bombing would have been pursued vigorously under Bush and Saddam would have been handled much earlier as well.

Bill and Hillary did much more damage than a Bush 2nd term IMO and because of it we today still have Madame Hillary wreaking havoc and she will not let go of the power voters gave her and her husband.

The Perot voters messed that one up bigtime IMO.

341 posted on 04/17/2012 10:02:02 PM PDT by what's up
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To: Norm Lenhart

I can ask you the same question I asked another freeper. If we are to fight “all evil”, should the USA have not allied with Russia to stop Germany?

I guess because of how you worded your statement, you could argue that there was a 3rd way such that we could assure a victory over Germany without being allied with Russia.

Of course, all men are evil — it’s in that book you referenced. So any person you vote for is evil. You could argue that a Christian in good standing with God is not “evil” because of the blood of Jesus, but that would still mean you couldn’t ever vote for anybody who wasn’t a good Christian. Maybe that is how you vote.

There are many people who I respect who do not share your opinion of the “evil” of a particular candidate, but we do not argue that point here.

I have seen few politicians who actually performed abortions. If you pay your taxes, some of those taxes are paying for abortions. You have a choice — you could refuse to pay taxes, and go to jail rather than “supporting abortion”. If I choose to pay my taxes, does that mean I’m guilty of abortion because I’d rather be out of prison than to keep one dime of my money from paying for an abortion?

Are you personally guilty of cutting up babies because you do not refuse to pay taxes? Because you haven’t personally blockaded an abortion clinic? Haven’t used force to stop murder? At what point do you get to claim that you are innocent of the blood of the children?

If I work for a company who gives some of their profits to planned parenthood, since I am responsible for generating those profits, does that make me guilty? If I gave money to united way, and it turned out some of that money went to planned parenthood, am I now evil?

I ask because you said we have to fight “all” evil, but we must define “evil”, and since we are “all evil”, that definition isn’t helpful, so I want to know practically how you define evil and how you apply your fight against “evil” to voting for candidates who are fundamentally flawed in various ways.


342 posted on 04/17/2012 10:02:47 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: zeugma

I am not sure what that is but it looks cool. heh


343 posted on 04/17/2012 10:04:22 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: zeugma

You’ve done it now. Now that I know you’re a statistician with HTML skills I’ll be recruiting you for projects regularly. LOL


344 posted on 04/17/2012 10:04:54 PM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: Kickass Conservative

No, I get the point. But you are making the wrong point. My point is that to say “A vote for X is really a vote for Y” is a false premise. But people keep saying it over and over. Clinton benefited by Perot’s votes because of the dynamics of the race - IE Perot split the vote. That is not arguable. But to say ‘A vote for...’ is incorrect and is an incorrect excuse people waste time bandying around.

Semantics? No, just fact. Clinton would never gotten any of the Perot votes.


345 posted on 04/17/2012 10:06:42 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: what's up
The Perot voters messed that one up bigtime IMO.

If the GOP hadn't pushed the guy that lied to us with 'Read my lips', there would have been no Perot. The GOP didn't take the hint then. They just need to be obliterated as a party, now. For the sake of conservatism. Unless they put up a conservative.

/johnny

346 posted on 04/17/2012 10:07:21 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: GeronL
lifelong love of abortion by action?

Their present position on stem-cell research is vastly better than Obama's.

I have no proof yet that Ann Romney is a compulsive liar. She is far better than First Wookie so far anyway who is absolutely guaranteed to continue doing tremendous damage.

347 posted on 04/17/2012 10:07:48 PM PDT by what's up
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To: TigersEye
There's your pro-life guy.

I was speaking only of his stem-cell position.

348 posted on 04/17/2012 10:09:22 PM PDT by what's up
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To: CharlesWayneCT; Norm Lenhart
In your analogy Romney is Stalin right? And 0bama is Hitler. Except that after we support Stalin and help him defeat Hitler (that was how WWII went wasn't it?) we won't be Americans anymore we'll be Stalin's peasants.

Good thinking, Shabazz!

349 posted on 04/17/2012 10:10:47 PM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: what's up

At least you get that crumb. Good thing Romney never lies or flip-flops. /s


350 posted on 04/17/2012 10:11:53 PM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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