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Posted on 04/17/2012 4:47:30 PM PDT by Williams
Well it's been about 13 years forgot my initial sign in name, so pretty much from the beginning.
Never wanted to write a Free Republic Opus, love reading news stories here and commenting every day.
Would rather not go out in anger seems pointless.
Then today the owner of the site called me a RINO (I'm not), surrender monkey (not) and told me to write my opus and get out.
My sin was fighting with someone who suggested Obama losing in the latest poll is "bad news".
I could list all the insanity of what is going on here. I've tried to approach Jim Robinson in email to gently suggest the problems we are facing. It's clear from that he is not interested in discussing and resolving anything, which is a shame.
But what kind of man, American, conservative will I be if I worry more about losing my 12 year old screen name versus standing up to people who are espousing the advisability of reelecting Barack Hussein Obama, and yes if I fail to stand up to the owner of a site for calling me a liberal when I am a proud conservative?
What Jim Robinson is doing cannot work because first of all he is NOT attacking the posters who say it is best to reelect Obama. He's offended by anyone who says he is thereby supporting Obama. But he doesn't mind calling us names when we attack the pro Obamas.
OK folks, it's not going to work. You can't really oppose Obama's reelection if you may also oppose the republican's election.
Free Republic has become a house divided against itself and it cannot stand.
I'm a conservative I love my country, I have to wish away to the cornfield anyone who would assist in the reelection of Obama, from whatever misguided motivations.
I stand with Dick Cheney. The other day I had to fight with someone disparaging Cheney here. They were not criticized by the owner.
Jim Robinson owes me an apology. Not planning on getting one. The sad fact is I am not writing this because I'm offended. It's because I want to no longer assist here in the destruction of my country by those who will, to varying degrees, assist in Obama's reelection.
Six or seven liberals on the Supreme Court? Maybe atomic destruction down the pike after our disarmament. Israel destroyed. 2nd Amendment neutered. Obamacare used to deny people medical care based on age and political beliefs. Racial strife. A welfare socialist state. US attorneys going after republicans.
My wife is a cancer survivor who reasonably fears that in the future they will deny her care because she is a registered republican. And she's no RINO, she hates Obama and she won't read Free Republic stories anymore because of what is going on here.
We have a real country and real lives out here that go beyond Jim Robinson's ill advised name calling against sincere conservatives who dare to disagree with him.
So F anyone who calls me a RINO for standing with Dick Cheney and against Barack Obama. I hate RINO's and I despise misguided so called conservatives who do anything to reelect Obama.
13 years, but it's nothing when put to the wall on my beliefs against the left wing democrat party. I have too many mirrors to look in. The people here who are every day posting that it will be best to reelect Obama, should be thrown off. Instead, well...
Except for which supporters? Newt? Nah, we can't agree on that. Santorum? Nah, can't unite on him either. Perry? Palin? Nope, no way we unite on any of these or which stands on which issues in what order.
We're as divided and as leaderless as the GOP. I don't see the logic of blaming the party when what happened in the primary happened right here as well.
It’s a metaphor for voting for RINOs. Do the same thing over and over again and expect a different result.
But the primaries aren't over yet. So it's premature to say who that will be.
But it won't be Romney or Obama. I'm not a liberal.
Very messy and its politics even messier.
Oh please. Not that hollow excuse again.
Romney got the job of Governor and proceeded to govern like any liberal would. The man could have put up a fight against the left during his term, but he was all too happy to break bread with the left and become their favorite Republican.
If he had a single conservative bone in his body, he wouldn't have been grinning from ear to ear the day he signed RomneyCare into law.
It's time we all looked to the Declaration of Independence for guidance. What would the Framers do?
Romney practically designed 0bamacare, for God's sake! How in God's name will Romney's election roll back any of the evil which 0bama and his ilk have fomented? 0bamacare? Abortion? Second Amendment? Bailouts? NOTHING.
Its time to go independent/third party if this is the best the GOP can muster against such a rabid marxist. Marxism lite is not an alternative.
The trend lines are consistent and undeniable. Let the country hit rock bottom sooner, rather than later. Only then can we begin to reclaim it and destroy the collective authoritarianism which now dominates both national parties.
Don't prolong the inevitable by helping elect either of these two clowns to office. Wrong is wrong.
The Republic will falter, and it would be better if a GOP president were not at the helm when it does so.
At this point, our only hope is an independent candidacy, or some disaster for Romney which would produce a different GOP nominee.
Make no mistake. Conservatives are energized and will help elect and preserve a GOP Congress. Do we really want a socialist GOP President to have Congress rubber stamp his legislation?
Look at the big picture. It's a realistic patriotic strategy to not vote for Romney in 2012. Opinions can differ, but the anti-Romney crowd cannot be legitimately ridiculed.
If we're going to go to hell anyway, it's going to happen without my express consent. I see no upside in selling my soul to the devil, or throwing away my personal honor and integrity for any reason.
I didn't say anything at all about gulags. However, certainly crime rates are up, and probably headed north. In the worst case (anarchy) there won't be anybody to send anybody else to a gulag.
Most realistically we're probably headed to where Mexico already is (whatever you call *that*!).
Well, you just summed it up. It’s why last year I posted on a thread which had freepers going bat-sh#t crazy on other freepers about who the right candidate is, that we’re doomed. I see it on discussions about conservative radio host as well.
Interestingly enough, violent crime stats are actually down, and have been going down, concurrent with the relaxation of onerous gun laws.
Well said! Drama Queens tend to buy into the “lesser of two evils” argument. The sky is falling and all that sort of rot.
The Perot votes gave us Clinton.
George H.W. Bush's policy reversals---read his lips, anyone?---gave us Clinton. Even if you accept the Perot votes as merely, and mostly, a direct result of reading President Lips, remember always that the only votes that counted for Droopy-Drawers were the votes he got. The votes for Perot were merely votes for Perot. Nothing more, nothing less. (And who's to say how many of those who did vote for Perot would have voted a) for H.W. Lips; b) for Clinton, considering H. Ross Peroxide wasn't exactly shy about going to or praising the government teat when it suited him; or, c) for someone else; or, for nobody, period?)
We would have done better without a Clinton.For the first half of his first term, quite right---especially between Droopy-Drawers's taxes and the Waco siege.
For the second half of his first term, not quite, not with a Republican Capitol Hill sweep actually pincing him into a balanced budget and a surplus among other things . . . which, unfortunately, the Republican'ts couldn't wait to undo, as soon as feasible, at every damn last three-card monte stand in town, including but not limited to answering Clinton's budget proposals with budgets proposals calling for even more spending than Droopy-Drawers himself called for.
Did I mention the real reason for the loss of Republican House seats in 1998? It wasn't the impeachment---it was the budget issue. Led by Newtie Gingrich himself, trying to cram down the House throat a bloated budget and arguing on its behalf that you young whippersnapping kids with all that balanced-budget/spending-cut yammering just didn't get the Big Picture . . . and yet, every House member who voted against that bloat got re-elected, some in landslides, while most of the ones who lost their seats just so happened to have voted for the budget bloat . . . (It was enought to make you appreciate even further George F. Will's old wisecrack, "Once upon a time, Gingrich made eloquent arguments on behalf of term limits. Now he has become an eloquent argument on behalf of term limits.")
Not to mention how the balls were dropped on Clinton's impeachment. (It became conservative when to let a sitting president get away with perjury, suborning perjury, or obstructing justice, on whatever the actual or alleged original act, as the Republican Senate allowed? It became conservative when to argue---as God only knows Democrats did, but God help us some Republicans actually did, too---that it wasn't "right" to impeach a sitting president because nobody voted for the vice president to take the gig, after all, it isn't fair to "the people" to shove down their throats a president they didn't vote for, never mind that when you vote for a president you are giving, concurrently, your approval to his running mate on all implied counts including the prospect that said running mate might have to assume the top job in the event the president becomes incapacitated, impeached, or interred . . .)
p.s. Who were the geniuses who thought Bob Dole was the best man to square off against Droopy-Drawers in 1996 because it was, well, his time? Once Dole became the nominee Clinton could have run on a parking ticket and been re-elected by a small landslide . . .
Bill and Hillary did much more damage than a Bush 2nd term IMO and because of it we today still have Madame Hillary wreaking havoc and she will not let go of the power voters gave her and her husband.I'm no fan of Droopy or Hilarious Rodent Clinton, but they weren't the ones who put the truth into the title of this book that should have been required reading for anyone stepping into the primary booths in 2008:
In that book, by the way, will one find splendid arguments against Newt Gingrich as a conservative icon of any kind, never mind whether we should feel all that comfortable with a Gingrich Administration . . .
How can you be sure that your idea of conservatives, or conservatives at all, will rule the ruins?
Just to clarify, the reading was not for Williams.
retread troll zot.
440 posted on Tuesday, April 17, 2012 11:37:10 PM by Jim Robinson (There’s no crying in rebellion!!)
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Oh, heck! Sorry, Normie and Bikkuri.
“retread troll zot.” - Jim Thompson
Not so sad after all.
How can you be sure that your idea of conservatives, or conservatives at all, will rule the ruins?Considering the way things have been going I don't think anyone can be sure that anyone's idea of conservatives will "rule," the ruins or otherwise.
Besides, I don't want and we don't need "rulers." Always remember that the first thing to go wrong with any conservative "revolution" is when the conservatives get the brilliant idea that it's their turn to "rule" (how'd that brilliant idea work out for you and for us, 2001-2006 GOP government?) instead of keeping the brilliant idea that it's the government which needs a watchful and ornery eye upon it---not the "ruled."
Remember that we're talking, in the end, about politicians. About whom P.J. O'Rourke had a point when he said, Politicians are foxes. But we insist on believing that some are guard dogs. We elect them to watch the hen house, and on the first Wednesday in November there's nothing left but feathers.
And unless there's a heretofore unseen surprise coming our way at convention time, on the first Wednesday of this November we're going to see nothing left but feathers, yet again, whether it's the re-election of His Excellency Al-Hashish Field Marshmallow Dr. Barack Obama Dada, COD, RIP, LSMFT, Would-Be Life President of the Republic Formerly Known as the United States and Chairman of the Organisation of Halfrican Unity; or, the election of the Bain of our existence . . .
Which is one reason why (in my state we can do this) I'm casting a write-in vote for the man who once said, Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it, misdiagnosing it, and misapplying the wrong solutions, on the grounds that Artemus Ward was right: if you can't find a live manperson who amounts to anything, by all means let's have a first class corpse.
No biggie ;)
The saga of that one is spread across Jim’s recent ‘clarification’ threads. First he was a ‘man of great experience who was a value to FR” and simmilar garbage, claimed to work for Newt in FL and a host of other unverified BS.
Same poop, different pooper.
This book won’t involve anything o reloading will it? Because I KNOW NOTHING ABOUT RELOADING ;)
Could be an interesting project.
(Inside joke for people wondering what I’m talking about)
Thank you for the clarification.. had me fooled too >.<
lol... you want to make a new one? ;)
Thanks very much for your reply.
There may have been a miscommunication on my part. I think you were responding to the ‘ruins’ of the party when I meant the ruins of the country.
>>I don’t want and we don’t need “rulers.”
I think that results in being ruled by others.
I know you don’t mean ‘be passive’ but without organization, organizational unity, hierarchy, leadership, valor only ends in a glorious death in defeat.
I don’t see the strategy wisdom in fighting in this manner.
The country and our freedoms are in danger. Since when is saying that considered "Drama Queen...rot"?
Though it’s likely obvious, I should have added in reply to:
>>>I don’t think anyone can be sure that anyone’s idea of conservatives will “rule,” the ruins or otherwise.
Then, without some assurance or at least some reasonably successful concept, I think it irresponsible to act in ways that further the ruination.
Thanks again for your reply.
“Thank you for the clarification.. had me fooled too >.<”
When I wrote it I wasn’t even thinking about the OP. Forgot he’s even got the heave ho. After I saw your replies I had to think about what you meant, then had a “DUH!’ moment ;)
My fault for not naming him in the prose. Note to self.
Since people recommend putting a far-left lying puke in the WH with an R behind his name as a “cure.” Hysteria!
I don’t understand how anyone thinks that the chickens banding together and going to wolf #2 and negotiating a deal to remove wolf #1 from the henhouse qualifies as logical.
There are several lists on this thread alone comparing and contrasting the wolves. Do these people think that magically wolf#2s stats will go poof and suddenly become conservative once elected?
It is indeed magical thinking to believe Mutt will be anything but the lying leftist he has always been.
Since people recommend putting a far-left lying puke in the WH with an R behind his name as a cure. Hysteria!
The country and our freedoms are in danger.
And that includes putting an admitted anti American tyrant like Obama back in the WH.
If the pro abort liar, Mitt becomes the Republican nominee and if one chooses not to support him, then one shouldn't rationalize that decision by saying that the country isn't in danger with Obama as our president.
You shouldn’t rationalize it and say it would be in any less danger with a far-left lying scumbag like Mitt in the Oval Office. Our economy is going to crash no matter what.
I made no such rationalization. It would be a Mitt type of lie to say that I did.
I think it crashes without new legislation - passed and signed into law. I.e., the current laws are heading us toward crash.
Further, I think avoiding this requires:
A (conservative) congress in both houses to propose and pass the new laws (or repeal current ones); and,
a veto proof majority if Obama is in office or a NotObama president that will not veto but sign them into law.
Then what’s your problem with what I said?
Yawn. I’ve seen better opuses written in crayon.
It is mathematically impossible (much less politically) to stop it now. America is going to hit the wall.
Same here. I think this simple statement is quite obviously right. These times require more than voting alone: constant political action. And, we should remember: social, individual, educational, moral, educational, etc. a lot must change.
I'm not sure about the mathematical impossibility. I think there are too many variables to make that statement. "Politically impossible" may be a better case. More possible for certain if this regime is deposed.
Thanks for your reply.
I apoligize for the length but a great discovery for me today.... Have you ever read the 'Federalists Papers'?
Let me tell you I've been reading just some of the quotes from them...as well as quotes made "during" the Constitutional Convention by our founders and others..... I'm convinced beyond doubt when Jim says 'Rebellion Is In The Air...he knows what he's talking about... I now know what he's standing on in saying that. Stunningly so!
It's one thing for we Americans to gripe and groan about our politicians....it's quite another when you "see" that the "Power Of The People" is God given to rebel... when all other avenues have been extended to politicians and they continue to be corrupt etc...and our founding fathers understood they were servants to the people and responsible to them.
I'm truly stunned after reading the Federalists Papers and the many speech quotes from our founders, which so many we do not hear repeated as much as others. It's all the others which create a uniform picture of who these great men were and how humble before God they were....and most of all their utter respect for the people and the offices of governances which would be held. Amazingly so.
I am now truly of the mind that few if that of our elected officials understand or have read these. Had they they would be shaking in their shoes about now....and should.
Thank you for asking that question...."What would our Founders Do".....it lead me to investigate what really would they do.....and I found my answers.
Short of God interveining in some miraculous way I have to agree with you...it's just a matter of when.
Some say by years end we'll begin to see the "thunder" so to speak...others say that we might have two to three years before it majorly falls....
Certainly the wealthy understand this as many have taken other residential homes in other countries....their "bug out" destinations. Not to mention politicians sticking very close to one another and also preparing.
It's been said "watch what they do, not what they say". Of course the Elites will all have their revenues stashed in foreign countries. Company's also moving out more than moving in. So keeping an eye on their behavior is pretty interesting..
Yes they do...they think they have to choose between Romney and Obama ONLY because that's what the see. They don't see there are alternatives...they can vote for Newt or someone else....or don't vote.
I'm investigating further about this foreign company who supposedly is going to be counting the votes in the general election. So far looks like Obama will surely win, if that is so,as there's no way we can do recounts. Do the whole election may very well be a farce to begin with.
I won't be voting for Romney under any circumstances...he's equally as troubling as Obama..and in many ways moreso IMO.
A single election cannot destroy our country. Endless ideological capitulation will.
Imagine what liberals would do if Ronald Reagan, in all his conservative glory, somehow became the presumptive nominee of the Democratic Party. This is how utterly out of phase we are with the bald-faced liar: Romney.
There may have been a miscommunication on my part. I think you were responding to the ruins of the party when I meant the ruins of the country.In turn, I probably should have been more clear that I meant the ruins of country more than party.
I know you dont mean be passive but without organization, organizational unity, hierarchy, leadership, valor only ends in a glorious death in defeat.Well, we've been without it for long enough as it is.
But I don't want anything other than a properly-construed government (as opposed to the improperly-consecrated State) whose sole legitimate business---other than protecting and defending us from predators at home (real predators, if you please, not mere vicemongers) and enemies actual or demonstrably/provably iminent from abroad---is to leave her citizens the hell alone; to stay the hell out of your business, my business, every citizen's business, until or unless one citizen would obstruct or abrogate another's equivalent rights.
Who's going to start the journey back? I only wish I knew. It's easier, unfortunately, to see who isn't going to start the journey back.
Unfortunately, further, it doesn't look like we're going to get anywhere near beginning that journey this time around. Not based on what's incumbent in Washington now, not based on what at least one major party's going to be stuck with for November. (There was a part of me that had half a hope that some brazen but disillusioned Democrat might think of a primary challenge to His Excellency, but only a part, and you don't need me to tell you how that prospect worked out!)
I'd like to say that the smart place to concentrate would be upon Capitol Hill, but I'm not necessarily optimistic about those prospects, either. (I'm still mindful of Mr. Reagan's admonition that from the outside Washington looks like a sewer but, once you get inside, it starts feeling more like a hot tub, something like that, I can't recall the precise word-for-word remark right now.)
But then I'm of a breed that doesn't look upon the government as the alpha and omega of all. The ruination of the country began when people began looking at the government in that way, and those looks began long enough before any of us were born . . .
Wow, did you do that by hand?
“It is simply not possible to be and remain a conservative and vote for Mitt Romney”
You mean like Ted Nugent?
Heck no! I think I mentioned it further down the thread that it was done with a Greasemonkey script. Think I need to run it again just to see how it looks now that we’re at 500+ posts.
For me, standing up to the tyranny that now besets us, is more than just lofty rhetoric. I can trace my direct lineage back to an American who fired at the British in anger during the Revolutionary War.
Since his time, a lot of my fathers have shed blood, or have sacrificed greatly to stand guard over this fragile republic. What sort of son would I be if I meekly accepted the left’s terms of surrender in my day? I’m not standing in harm’s way with a rifle in my hand, like so many of them did.
No - I’m armed with only a ballot, by whose markings my fathers shall judge me. I would not even think of sullying their honor by giving my solemn vote to a man and a party, who have essentially gone into abject Treason against the very things my forefathers fought and bled for.
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