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Posted on 04/17/2012 4:47:30 PM PDT by Williams
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“I was speaking only of his stem-cell position. “
#1 His position is whatever he thinks you want to hear. He is for it today, and against it tomorrow.
#2 If the best reason you can come up with to vote for Romney is his wife VS: The Wookie then that should tell you something right there.
The alleged "divisiveness" here at FR is, I believe, largely a matter of semantics, as evidenced by your post. Nobody claims to want to be "drop their conservative principles to get an R in the white-house". Rather, their priority first and foremost is to flush Ubama down the toilet of history like yesterday's hard turd. They are simply willing to clamp their noses shut with a vice, sell their souls, and lower themselves to vote for Mittens in order to accomplish that goal.
Personally, I am no longer willing to put a clamp on my nose before I vote. I am too old for that, and time is running out. I absolutely refuse to reward the scumbag GOP establishment elite for getting their latest "it's his turn", wishy-washy, Dole/McCain candidate on the ballot.
Especially this early in the process. A lot can happen in 6 months.
BUMP that! I love your optimism, and I'm right there with you.
If the people want a better candidate, they need to put one up. Then he/she has to prove himself/herself through the primary process.
Once the nominee is put up, time to choose. A vote for Bush 2nd term would have been a much outcome than the putrid Clintons IMO.
LOL Praise the Newt and pass the ammunition!
A perfect example of how you change the question to make your ideas sound more rational.
Your question wasn’t impossible, it was simply based on a false premise and an illogical conclusion.
RINO is what you are; voting is what you do. It is plainly obvious that a person who is a “real Republican” could vote for a person who is on the republican ticket, and would still be a “real republican”, even if that candidate did not agree with the “republican party platform”.
I don’t know when the argument changed into your new assertion; I haven’t seen anybody say that voting for Newt Gingrich now in the primaries is a vote for Obama, although I guess some one might say that — I certainly didn’t.
I haven’t even argued that not voting for Romney would mean voting for Obama. I have made two arguments here, against to false assertions.
In one case, I have refuted the false claim that if you vote for a republican nominee who doesn’t support the “republicn platform”, it makes you a RINO.
IN the other case, I have argued that you can’t logically claim to oppose the republican nominee in the general election, and also claim that you are actively opposing Obama’s re-election. There is virtually no chance for a 3rd party to win the election. If you oppose the republican nominee ending up as President, you must at least be indifferent to Obama’s re-election; if you actively oppose Obama being re-elected, you must by definition do whatever you must do to keep him from being re-elected.
I have no problem with principled people who argue that we are better off having Obama as President than Romney, if he is our nominee. My problem is with those who claim that they oppose Obama for PResident, but refuse to take the actions necessary to keep him from being President. All they can say is that they “oppose Obama for PResident, but not as much as they oppose Romney” — which means they prefer Obama to Romney, and that is a choice.
Lest you missed my point in all that — I agree with your statement: it is contrary to reality to insist that a vote for Newt is a vote for Obama. I urge every conservative who still has a primary to vote for Newt Gingrich, as the last conservative standing.
We aren’t at the general election yet, and arguments about the general election are premature while we could still pick Newt.
Goodnight all. I’ve made my points. Tomorrow I’ll be happy to read any reasoned responses to my points, but I won’t likely answer any more questions from people who don’t care about the answers.
Oh, yeah, another term of “Mr. New World Order” stop short of Baghdad stab the Marsh Arabs in the back would have been great. Then during Clinton’s first term Bush I showed us what he was really all about and resigned his NRA membership and called them extremists. We need more trash like that for POTUS.
And get it shot down with GOP dirty tricks like changing rules, or attacking the conservative (Rove, anyone?) or failing to support a potential candidate?
Between the GOP and the MSM, good candidates were taken out with lies and dirty tricks. Who DID win Iowa? After the dust settled?
Who has the delegates in Florida? Do the rules matter?
That tells me that I don't like Romney, but I absolutely despise both Obamas and will pull the lever for Romney one reason being at this point I prefer Ann Romney as a figurehead to Moochelle whom I want to send back to Chicago ASAP tout de suite.
The best answer I can give you is this. Each of us has to do what they feel is right. I personally would have gone it without Russia, had I been in charge and added a few historical nuke drops to the war time roster. Prior to that, I’d have fought to the best of my ability.
Back to today, I see an evil man. One who has made baby parts a $50 menu choice on the healthcare menu. I see an evil man that has pushed ‘gay rights’ on a people that do not believe such exist. His laws have resulted in evil being done to straight people, legally, financially and morally. I see an evil man that has pushed an eco agenda that has led to financial catastrophe, suicide by people pushed over the financial brink, people frozen to death unable to afford his green heat and people baked to death unable to afford green air conditioning.
And I see an evil man that dispite all that and more, so called Free Republic Conservatives are tripping over themselves to vote for, should Newt fail.
I see no logical, moral or rational way one can vote for such a person and claim with a straight face that they are trye blue conservatives doing some ‘better’ thing for the country.
I would note that history is littered with examples of a people in fear of the current wolf running like sheep toward the protection of the new wolf in leader’s clothing. And again, those who forget history are doomed to repeat it.
Best answer I have.
Thanks, I’m catching on. LOL
It's done with a Greasemonkey script written by a freeper.Click one button on any FR page, and you get the report you saw. Sometimes it is kind of interesting. I thought the average freeper age on this particular thread was pretty high.
Never said it would have been great.
But I do believe we would not have had the disgusting sexual scandals in the Oval Office or 9/11.
That is assuming you could read the future and know who would follow a second Bush I term.
Charles, I will say what I say every time we get into it. People are -—encouraged-— to go read my questions and your follow up to them and make their own decision on which of us made their point. I am confident in my position. I am also confident that the very same people verbally on my side of the argument and on yours will not be swayed. And as always, it’s the lurkers who can decide for themselves.
I myself will not vote for the lesser evil. I am still hoping Newt pulls a Tampa surprise. When I ponder what will happen if the current pRes is re-elected, I do not worry that the world will end.
“So dont worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will bring its own worries.
Todays trouble is enough for today.”
Matthew 6:34 (NLT)
As my Pappa (mechanic by trade) used to say, “Son sometimes you just haveta let it break before ya can fix it”.
Wow! That’s cool. I’ll throw in a two-bit analysis and say that it was mostly longtime FReepers here because noobier ones were afraid to get into a minefield thread like this.
That's so good I have to bump it.
(and spoken by a Perot voter who learned my lesson)
Do you know any FReepers who Voted for Romney in a 2012 Republican Primary Election?
I have not seen one Freeper currently “supporting” Romney, or have I seen anyone here even suggesting that they have Voted for Romney in the past.
I agree that a whole lot can happen in six months. I will bet a dollar to a donut that most FReepers are pulling for Newt or a Brokered Convention rather than endorsing a Romney Candidacy.
The only moment that will count is when a FReeper is faced with an Obama versus Romney choice in the General and they are standing in the Voting Booth committing to one Presidential Candidate, or no Candidate at all. My fear is people will just refuse to go the Polls and the House, Senate, State and Local Republican Candidates will suffer for it.
I have been Posting on FR a long time and I have never seen such infighting amongst our membership. No good will come of this when accusations and yes, hateful rhetoric, rule the day. It is very sad indeed...
Bush was the far better candidate on both counts. It was quite easy to see that Clinton/Hillary leadership was going to lead to big trouble.
I’ve been trying to post on various threads that dumping the Republican Estsblishment Party and voting against Obama ARE NOT MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE.
If it’s Romney vs. Obama, they are the same in policy but not in heart. Romney may be phony and liberal, but he’s not a communist actively supporting if not working for America’s enemies. Voting for Romney is voting for a typical Democrat over a freaking Commie.
And doing the above does NOT DETER from fighting the Republicans. They will always just use and abuse us and force Rinos down out throats. Therefore we must begin to start a new party, a conservative, Tea Party style party. This takes years. It is too late for 2012. We need to vote against Romney in all the primaries,fight him at the convention, but then we should band together to vote to keep Obama out of office.
Re-electing Obama does not “teach” the Rinos a lesson. Otherwise they would have gotten that lesson a Long time ago. For statists, as long as there is a statist in office, who cares what party’s? The protest no-vote only means that instead of the Rinos taking us for granted, Obama will. Ad he will be LAUGHING, LAUGHING. And that is something I cannot abide.
We can be open and protest the Repubs. We can leave them behind. We can be ACTIVE AND BOLD about it. But we can’t do much about 2012.
Stick around. There is a way to make this work out. I understand JR’s anger. But we can throw the bath water out without killing the baby. We can. We must.
Can't run with the big boys, stay on the porch. ;)
I’m kind of new here, but I think I understand how things work.
The site’s name is Free Republic and the focus of it is to return America back to a time when the country wasn’t run lik a dictatorship, but the site itself seems to be run like one with an absolute lack of free expression. And why? You people pay into it! You should be able to freely discuss why you want Romney to win...or why you refuse to vote for him. You can’t have a frank and open discussion if you’re always worried that Jim Robinson might not care for your opinion (see Lazamataz’s current freak out when he thought Jim didn’t like his comment).
Feel free to attack me as a n00b...or a Romneybot... I don’t even like the guy, but I’ll be damned if I’ll sit home on election day.
There shouldn’t be any rhetoric at all. Jim set the rules and a bunch of people feel obligated to tell him and everyone else that they don’t agree. Every bit of this could have been avoided by people simply doing as instructed.
But they asked for a fight and this is the result.
Really? I never heard a word about that until he was in office for some time. How he could even have a record on defense from being Gov of AR I don't know.
Oh good grief. One more time.
I am and always have been conservative.
I think abortion is 100 percent wrong 100 percent of the time.
I believe we need a strong domestic energy policy. Drill here drill now and let the Saudi’s drink their oil for breakfast.
I believe marriage should be between a man and a woman.
I am a fiscal conservative.
If I vote for NOBODY or Ocommie, I believe I would be abandoning my conservative principles by allowing all that I believe in to be tossed in the junk heap by the socialist, marxist, commie, Islamist, moslem.
I will vote for ALL conservatives on the ticket.
IF MITT is the last GOP candidate standing, I will vote for him in order to oust Zero and his top to bottom commie administration.
A Mitt administration, albeit historically flawed, with a hopefully conservative majority in the house and senate will serve to restore the damage that this current thug has created.
I will vote to deny this thug the flexibility to continue to sell out my country.
Has THAT answered your question?
(how's that for switching analogies in mid-FReep?)
Lets not waste anymore bandwidth. You keep talking in circles without ever answering an impossible to answer question. It is simply not possible to be and remain a conservative and vote for Mitt Romney and his record. You do not agree. So be it.
These were all signs that both of them were far left which obviously means...anti-military.
Most of us figured them out long before they took office and we were not proved wrong.
And if anyone tells me (and they have) that if I won't vote for Romney (SUPPORT ROMNEY), I'm voting for Obama, I'm going to reply with my conservative belief and the facts.
I won't vote for Romney. Ever. Even if he was running against Satan himself.
I'll vote conservative. And there will be more than two candidates on the ballot here.
Your post explaining JR is good, too. Eloquent as well.
Where else can one get the kind of pure principle as here? Gd bless FR and JimRob.
(I still think it can be done — fighting the RINO takeover AND voting against Obama.)
Your long time ain't long enough.
Ask around about The Coven and The Purge. (or flame wars like DITHF)
Really? Like the monolithic responses on this thread?
I don't think you get how things work. lol
So you give a donation and what do you get for it?
YOU own it. If you don’t agree, you shouldn’t have to hold your tongue for fear of being ZOTted!
That’s ridiculous! And not ‘Free’ at all!
I never heard of any of that until long after he took office. A lot of it after he left office. But, hey!, if records mattered Mitt would be a no go.
So, in your mind, how much is an acceptable fee to pay? Do you understand that a donation is just that? A financial gift because you CHOOSE to give it? That such grants you no special privileges?
Ir If I give $100000 a quarter do you think it would be OK to dictate policy?
Yeah, but I’m conservative. And I happen to agree with people here that Romney isn’t who I want as President. I’m going to vote for him and campaign for him. That’s a problem here. So the alternative will be a third party candidate and an Obama second term.
No, the alternative is not go on and on about it when it’s not wanted. Do that at a site where they accept it. Or do so knowing that you were told not to.
Actually, if you pay your money and the owner kicks you out, he has to pay you your money back.
And I believe you are abandoning your conservative principles and putting my grandchildren at risk, if you don’t fight like hell to oust Obama.
You’re right....we don’t agree.
Most of us figured them out long before they took office and we were not proved wrong.
You order, you pay. You mis-behave, you leave.
The Clintons' background as liberals was fairly common knowledge. Bush, though far from perfect was a much better choice if only to keep us from deeper dangers. Same holds true today.