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Trial of George Zimmerman Could Trigger Another Rodney King
The Daily Beast ^ | April 18, 2012 | Mansfield Frazier

Posted on 04/17/2012 11:27:43 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

Trayvon Martin’s shooter has a new lawyer. Mansfield Frazier hopes he’s advising his client to take a plea, since a protracted murder trial is the last thing we need.

As George Zimmerman faces murder charges for shooting Trayvon Martin, it’s worth asking if America is in danger of facing Rodney King, Part II?

That’s what I see down the tracks: If this case goes all the way to trial, it’s a train wreck waiting to happen. The time is now for strong hands to take the helm and steady the ship of state—not to mention our national racial, political and legal discourse. The paramount concern has to be to avert a large-scale racial calamity.

As Touré recently wrote, if sane adults are not careful, deliberate and measured in the handling of the Trayvon Martin-George Zimmerman affair, a dark time could descend upon America.

Look what’s already festering on the streets of Sanford, Florida. On the one hand we’ve got the three stooges of the New Black Panther Party running around Sanford, spouting off crazy ideas and becoming a total embarrassment to more thoughtful and reasoning blacks who simply want justice. On the other we’ve got the equally clownish neo-Nazis, goose-stepping around on their self-appointed mission to protect the white race. In this environment it wouldn’t take much to ignite the racial power keg we’re sitting on. One false or ill-conceived move in this case could allow the loony inmates—not Zimmerman’s current neighbors, but those who are imprisoned by their long-simmering racial hatreds—to fan the incendiary flames of bigotry into full-blown conflagrations of violence across the land.

As someone who watched the King riots unfold from a Los Angeles motel window (and sometimes from the balcony, when we weren’t too afraid to venture out), I’m here to tell you it was a nightmarish time. Thick, acrid black smoke from hundreds of fires hung over the L.A. basin for days as young, armed blacks and Hispanics roared around in open convertibles and jeeps, wearing bandannas and brandishing all sorts of weaponry. We could hear gunfire both in the distance and nearby. Stores that hadn’t been set on fire the first day were looted by the second, and by the third day TV stations were warning of an impending food shortage. A body lay in the gutter on Crenshaw Boulevard for the better part of two days before National Guard troops removed it.

We don’t want to go back there. Fortunately Zimmerman’s new attorney, Mark O’Mara, appears to comprehend the broader implications and potential danger of the situation, and seems well qualified to negotiate a fair outcome for his client, and indeed for the rest of us. He has the calm demeanor of a law professor, and speaks in measured, but not calculating, terms. His first comments seemed designed not to convince anyone of his client’s innocence, but rather to take the heated rhetoric down a few notches. He cautioned that everyone should allow the justice system to work.

So what would a fair outcome look like? To my mind, the government offers Zimmerman a plea deal that has him back on the street within this decade, and he accepts it quietly. That seems like a conclusion most reasonable Americans could live with. Of course, no matter how long or short any sentence may be, there will be those who disagree, some vehemently.

If O’Mara were successful in brokering such a resolution, he should be viewed as nothing less than a savior. A protracted murder trial of George Zimmerman is the last thing this country needs right now. America can only dodge so many racial bullets, and a not-guilty verdict in this case could very easily turn the racial cold war into a very hot one.

Of course, for such a plea scenario to work, Zimmerman will need to listen more to O’Mara than to any of the other voices clamoring for a piece of him. He’s in isolation right now, presumably for his own safety, but a side benefit is that it keeps the more rabid right-wingers from getting inside his head and convincing him to take the case to trial, based on the belief that no matter what the evidence shows, in Florida at least one juror will never vote to convict. Unfortunately, this reasoning is not crazy. The South, after all, is still the South.

But after a few weeks of isolation and the counsel of O’Mara, Zimmerman may decide going to trial isn’t in his best interest. If O’Mara is as savvy as he seems, he will probably inform his client of the stark legal facts: The state overcharged him with murder 2 for two reasons: it’s a bargaining chip to force him to accept a lesser charge, and a means to keep him locked up pretrial. The way the legal system is designed, it’s difficult for someone being held in custody to win acquittal. Even if he went to trial and managed to get a hung jury, the state would surely retry him (multiple times, if necessary), until they get a conviction or he’s spent more time in the county lockup than he would have spent in prison if he’d just pleaded guilty in the first place. And even if he were acquitted, let’s not forget the specter of a federal indictment being handed down.

In all of this, the upcoming bail hearing is key: If the judge doesn’t grant bail, Zimmerman had better start listening real intently to his lawyer.

The wild card is his father, Robert, who has so far sounded like a knee-jerk far-right ideologue. In an interview he said, "I never foresaw so much hate coming from the president, the Congressional Black Caucus, the NAACP," and this was before Obama said anything about the case! It will be virtually impossible to keep Robert Zimmerman away from his son, which means he’ll have ample opportunity to whisper Stand Your Ground rhetoric into his ear, possibly ginning up Zimmerman’s courage and convincing him to go to trial in spite of the danger of being convicted.

We all need to pray that Mark O’Mara is successful in bringing about a fair outcome for his client, for justice, and, more important, for America.



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KEYWORDS: cw2; cwii; florida; georgezimmerman; raceriots; racewar; trayvonmartin; zimmerman
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"Nice shop you have here, hate to see anything happen to it..."
1 posted on 04/17/2012 11:27:46 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The response to the Rodney King riots was way too weak. Should have put the fear of God into those rioters with the appropriate response.


2 posted on 04/17/2012 11:32:07 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

how does that saying go?

“You don’t realize that it is better for you to have one man die for the people than to have the whole nation destroyed.”


3 posted on 04/17/2012 11:32:49 PM PDT by LadyDoc
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To: LadyDoc

Incorrect application, though.


4 posted on 04/17/2012 11:34:39 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

Federal troops in LA:

The Los Angeles (LA) riots were the most destructive civil disturbance in US history, causing the deaths of at least 54 people and more than $800 million in property damage throughout LA County.[6] More than 10,000 troops from the California National Guard (CANG), 2000 active component soldiers, and 1500 Marines were deployed to the area at the height of operations:

The 1992 Los Angeles Riots
Lessons in Command and Control from the Los Angeles Riots
Lieutenant Colonel Christopher M. Schnaubelt
1st Battalion, 185th Armor Regiment

“Police officers responded to a domestic dispute, accompanied by marines. They had just gone up to the door when two shotgun birdshot rounds were fired through the door, hitting the officers. One yelled `cover me!’ to the marines, who then laid down a heavy base of fire. . . . The police officer had not meant `shoot’ when he yelled `cover me’ to the marines. [He] meant . . . point your weapons and be prepared to respond if necessary. However, the marines responded instantly in the precise way they had been trained, where `cover me’ means provide me with cover using firepower. . . . over two hundred bullets [were] fired into that house.”

http://www.militarymuseum.org/LARiots1.html


5 posted on 04/17/2012 11:38:21 PM PDT by donna (3rd largest workforce in the world=UK National Health Service (Chinese Army #1))
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Threats of riots should not determine anyone’s fate.


6 posted on 04/17/2012 11:39:04 PM PDT by DNA.2012
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To: Olog-hai

The response depends upon the race of the rioters.


7 posted on 04/17/2012 11:40:03 PM PDT by DNA.2012
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

FU Mansfield Frazier. And go to hell while you’re at it.


8 posted on 04/17/2012 11:40:14 PM PDT by Ken H (Austerity is the irresistible force. Entitlements are the immovable object.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

How ‘bout allowing justice to be served. And if he’s found not guilty and there are those who want to break the law and riot, take the appropriate action.

I wonder what this guy would say if a black guy killed a klansman and everyone thinks that if he’s not found guilty the klansmen will start hanging people. Would he say “Let’s cut a deal and “allow” the black guy serve less than ten years.”


9 posted on 04/17/2012 11:41:14 PM PDT by Terry Mross
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I was in the Compton Courthouse when the King verdicts were rendered. I personally witnessed courageous Koreans protecting their stores; I have a pictue of the LA riots on my wall.

That was a seminal moment in the life of me and my family.

I say, bring it on MF’ers.


10 posted on 04/17/2012 11:41:45 PM PDT by reagandemocrat
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To: LadyDoc

11 posted on 04/17/2012 11:41:49 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (Ich habe keinen Konig aber Gott)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Oh, it’s not going to be anything like Rodney King’s outcome. You see, us white people have a sense of ultimate justice. Where a totally innocent man, such as Reginald Denny is pulled out of his cab, and almost beaten to death by your brothers.
The Korean Shop-holders had it right, bitch.


12 posted on 04/17/2012 11:42:01 PM PDT by gigster (Cogito, Ergo, Ronaldus Magnus Conservatus)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Sacrfice Zimmerman to appease the mob. How pragmatic.

Excuse me while I vomit.


13 posted on 04/17/2012 11:42:01 PM PDT by Slings and Arrows (You can't have Ingsoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“So what would a fair outcome look like? To my mind, the government offers Zimmerman a plea deal that has him back on the street within this decade, and he accepts it quietly.”

Words of yet another Black extortionist.

Zimmerman’s only guilty of self-defense, not a crime anywhere.

He should (and must) go to trial and win his exoneration and freedom.


14 posted on 04/17/2012 11:44:23 PM PDT by Jack Hammer
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To: Slings and Arrows
The other problems with that are (a) they won't be satisfied with just Zimmerman, (b) you or I could be the next Zimmerman and (c) it sets a VERY dangerous precedent.
15 posted on 04/17/2012 11:45:24 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (Ich habe keinen Konig aber Gott)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
So what would a fair outcome look like? To my mind*, the government offers Zimmerman a plea deal that has him back on the street within this decade, and he accepts it quietly. That seems like a conclusion most reasonable Americans could live with. Of course, no matter how long or short any sentence may be, there will be those who disagree, some vehemently.

What you have in this article is a Democrat (no matter what he says he is) playing the O'Reilly "Fair and Balanced" mind game.

Can't this stupid SOB see that Zimmerman (no matter what the hell he did ... he wasn't charged) has been politically railroaded? His solution is to put Zimmerman away for a few years to appease the New Black Panther Party. That's justice in America? There's a pre-trial hearing owed Zimmerman, not to mention a trial. If Zimmerman proves self-defense pre-trial ... he walks. That's the law. (This case has NOTHING to do with "Stand Your Ground," which is merely a scary name for the Castle Doctrine guaranteed us by the Magna Carta)

Can't this stupid SOB see that the racial conflagration is the desired outcome of Team Obama? They think Chaos and Confusion spell victory for their ideology.

Can't this stupid SOB see that Holder, by not prosecuting the Black Panthers for their death threats and their earlier voter intimidation, has taken their side?

*Mind? This stupid SOB has no mind. He is letting his melanin think for him.

16 posted on 04/17/2012 11:48:20 PM PDT by Kenny Bunk (So, Scalia, Alito, Thomas, and Roberts can't figure out if Obama is a Natural Born Citizen?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Didn't Korean shop owners employ their own Castle Doctrine during the LA Riots?


17 posted on 04/17/2012 11:49:33 PM PDT by abishai
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To: Jack Hammer

“So what would a fair outcome look like? To my mind, the government offers Zimmerman a plea deal that has him back on the street within this decade, and he accepts it quietly.”

Projection from a slave mentality.


18 posted on 04/17/2012 11:50:33 PM PDT by reagandemocrat
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

of course that’s what 00failure is hoping for

then again, the people of florida realized this... which is why the trial was pushed into next year

QQ moar 00failure, ya racist tard


19 posted on 04/17/2012 11:50:48 PM PDT by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Agreed on all counts.


20 posted on 04/17/2012 11:51:23 PM PDT by Slings and Arrows (You can't have Ingsoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
The paramount concern has to be to avert a large-scale racial calamity.

Stupid me. I thought the business of the courts was justice.

/johnny

21 posted on 04/17/2012 11:52:19 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
So what would a fair outcome look like? To my mind, the government offers Zimmerman a plea deal that has him back on the street within this decade, and he accepts it quietly.

To my mind, the fellow has the fair trial he's entitled to, and if he's found innocent he is released and any rioters and those inciting them shot as they deserve to be. How's that for "fair outcome", Mr. Frazier?

22 posted on 04/17/2012 11:56:50 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
On the other we’ve got the equally clownish neo-Nazis, goose-stepping around on their self-appointed mission to protect the white race.

The gentleman is lying his face off.

23 posted on 04/17/2012 11:59:17 PM PDT by rogue yam
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
a not-guilty verdict in this case could very easily turn the racial cold war into a very hot one.

Is this a column or a blackmail note? This little proposition is a bit different from the Rodney King situation. That was just a question of an obviously guilty SOB getting beaten up and then let off with bumps served. (Okay, while destroying the careers of the cops who were defending themselves, which was a crime.)

But this notion is, if possible, crazier. If the demand being made is that occasionally, some citizens must gracefully confess to sins they did not commit and go to jail because otherwise the mobs will exact vengeance on the whole society, then all bets are off. If the truth isn't admissible, we're already at war. Let's have the hot one, and get rid of this totalitarian s#$% once and for all.

Which reminds me: I think law-abiding Floridians are way better armed than the Angelinos were.

25 posted on 04/18/2012 12:03:59 AM PDT by SamuraiScot
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To: LadyDoc
how does that saying go?

“You don’t realize that it is better for you to have one man die for the people than to have the whole nation destroyed.”

Caiaphas John 11:49-52, 18:14

26 posted on 04/18/2012 12:04:11 AM PDT by imardmd1 (Rom 13:4 For he is the minister of God to thee for good...he beareth not the sword in vain)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
OBTW, doesn't this stupid SOB remember that the Rodney King Riots were directly instigated by by the Mayor of LA who urged "His people" to "Take to the streets to show their feelings?" On Television?

If the LAPD had IMMEDIATELY done their job (Chief Darryl Gates was at an Awards Banquet and didn't even know what the hell was happening!) it would have been a short disturbance indeed.

Then the uber-wimp GHW BUsh came in and instead of arresting the Mayor for Inciting a Riot, made sure the acquitted cops were charged with "Civil Rights" violations and condemned to serious time on completely trumped up charges that even enraged .... for a while ...the ACLU! ... again to appease African-American mobs. One smart move in LA would have won him re-election!

And BTW, Bob Zimmerman did not speak out against Obama and Holder until AFTER they had shot their mouths off. I have no idea who this Mansfield Frazier guy is ... except maybe some token newsroom geek who cannot wait to go pull the Obama lever.

27 posted on 04/18/2012 12:06:42 AM PDT by Kenny Bunk (So, Scalia, Alito, Thomas, and Roberts can't figure out if Obama is a Natural Born Citizen?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; jobim; LadyDoc

The writer has decided in advance what “justice” would look like and what sort of outcome he wants. He isn’t concerned about a fair trial for Mr. Zimmerman or examination of the facts.


28 posted on 04/18/2012 12:07:56 AM PDT by thecodont
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“The paramount concern has to be to avert a large-scale racial calamity.”

F that, you racist POS. Bring on the calamity. I don’t want to share my country with people like you.


29 posted on 04/18/2012 12:13:59 AM PDT by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: DNA.2012
Threats of riots should not determine anyone’s fate.

Right there with ya. I'm tired of this sh*t.

30 posted on 04/18/2012 12:15:03 AM PDT by KJC1 (Go Newt!)
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To: SamuraiScot
I think law-abiding Floridians are way better armed than the Angelinos were.

The New Black Panthers cannot possibly be dumb enough to riot anywhere but in large urban areas where they will be under the protection of Black Mayors and Black Police Chiefs. (aka "The Kiss of Death" for any American City) And you can bet they will not be taking on any Korean shopkeepers.

31 posted on 04/18/2012 12:15:03 AM PDT by Kenny Bunk (So, Scalia, Alito, Thomas, and Roberts can't figure out if Obama is a Natural Born Citizen?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Mr. Frazier, I was in LA for the ‘92 riots.

I don’t live anywhere near people like that anymore. I was on my own then, so anyone in a new potential riot zone shall be on their own should it happen again.

I don’t wish for any riots to come, but I sure as shit don’t care if any riots come.


32 posted on 04/18/2012 12:15:03 AM PDT by The KG9 Kid
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To: SamuraiScot
"Is this a column or a blackmail note?"

Yes.

33 posted on 04/18/2012 12:18:08 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (Ich habe keinen Konig aber Gott)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Blackmail? Really Mr. Frazier, how disgusting. Mr Zimmermman deserves a fair trlal and if found not guilty any rioters should be held accountable for their actions. I want justice for all.


34 posted on 04/18/2012 12:18:29 AM PDT by kalee (The offenses we give, we write in the dust; Those we take, we engrave in marble. J Huett 1658)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

So, you are all just a bunch of thugs, eh?

I already knew that.


35 posted on 04/18/2012 12:21:07 AM PDT by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

To your mind a Cairo outcome qoild result in the deprivation of a man’s innocence ?

To avoid a synthetic injustice ?

To avoid a so called race war?

Again whom?

A Hispanic?

A “White Hispanic?”

You are a joke. A travesty to anyone possessing reason and fairness.

You want a predetermined outcome and you publish your premise as an article of racial justice.

Justice should be blind and predicated on the facts. not your feelings of something the rest of ua don’t recognize as some endemic cancer and blight of white or Hispanic existence that by its color and quantity proves your theory.

Go to hell.

I too lived through Rodney King. I looked for a friend in LA who I find was safe only to return to San Francisco and have my evening interrupted by societill miscreants looking for any reason to burn down “Whities” vestiges of relaxation, fun and shopping.

FU and Your premise.

If zimmerman is found innocent or the charges dropped, you should quietly accept it, the same as we did with OJ.

FO and have good evening.

We are prepared for your “Get Even Society”.

It won’t end well for anyone.

But, you don’t care about the consequences.

Again, FO.


36 posted on 04/18/2012 12:30:00 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: Slings and Arrows; shibumi

Wanna borrow my bucket?

Let it burn.

Fire cleanses.

Shibumi, bring on the tagline.


37 posted on 04/18/2012 12:33:03 AM PDT by Salamander (Hey blood brother, you're one of our own. You're as sharp as a razor and as hard as a stone.)
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To: donna

Fubar


38 posted on 04/18/2012 12:33:20 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: gigster

+1


39 posted on 04/18/2012 12:35:22 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: thecodont

Sounds like a not-very-thinly-veiled threat, to me.

Convict or we tear you apart.


40 posted on 04/18/2012 12:35:52 AM PDT by Salamander (Hey blood brother, you're one of our own. You're as sharp as a razor and as hard as a stone.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
"Take a plea"? Even if he is innocent?

How would that be justice?

41 posted on 04/18/2012 12:50:06 AM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
The Godfather:

Either your Signature or your Brains will be on that Contract.

42 posted on 04/18/2012 12:50:21 AM PDT by Kickass Conservative (A day without Obama is like a day without a Tsunami.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
So what would a fair outcome look like? To my mind, the government offers Zimmerman a plea deal that has him back on the street within this decade, and he accepts it quietly. That seems like a conclusion most reasonable Americans could live with. Of course, no matter how long or short any sentence may be, there will be those who disagree, some vehemently. (emphasis supplied)

Do you suppose hypothetically speaking that one of those who vehemently disagree might be named, "Atticus Finch?"


43 posted on 04/18/2012 12:51:59 AM PDT by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
The Godfather:

Either your Signature or your Brains will be on that Contract.

44 posted on 04/18/2012 12:52:58 AM PDT by Kickass Conservative (A day without Obama is like a day without a Tsunami.)
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To: rogue yam
Re: “.....neo-Nazis, goose-stepping around.....”

Two different Conservative bloggers called every law enforcement agency around Sanford to inquire about this.

Not one agency knew anything about it.

The only nazi photos published in the original article were taken in Arizona!

45 posted on 04/18/2012 12:54:52 AM PDT by zeestephen
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Went through the riots in Rochester, NY in 1964 as a volunteer fireman in a district at the city boundary. The King/LA session was pretty awful, but localized. The 1964-65 riots, however,were nationwide, springing up one after another in NY City, Chicago, Philly, LA/Watts, don’t know where else, except in 1968 after the MLK assassination Wilmington, DE was placed under martial law from April until January 1969. Y’all better watch out ...


46 posted on 04/18/2012 12:56:28 AM PDT by imardmd1 (The Boy Scouts' Motto -- "Be Prepared")
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To: Salamander

I want my country back.


47 posted on 04/18/2012 12:56:53 AM PDT by Slings and Arrows (You can't have Ingsoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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To: Slings and Arrows

So do I.

[does anybody know where it is?]


48 posted on 04/18/2012 1:02:14 AM PDT by Salamander (Hey blood brother, you're one of our own. You're as sharp as a razor and as hard as a stone.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Yeah, right.

George Zimmerman, come on down!

Cop a plea, go to jail, the media and the mob have determined you are to be this season's sacrifice to the 'god of racial equality' to preserve the pristine tenements and 'hoods and to keep the self-righteous racists from breaking things and stealing other people's stuff.

If that doesn't work, the MSM will be tasked with picking others to throw into the volcano.

(/s, sorta)

How about we wait for the facts, still obscured by diabolical editing and pixelation, to emerge in the case. What were the tox screen results on the deceased, or have those even been run?

49 posted on 04/18/2012 1:10:51 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

” Trial of George Zimmerman Could Trigger Another Rodney King “

of course it will, they have had the plan for just that to happen for 3 years


50 posted on 04/18/2012 1:19:52 AM PDT by SF_Redux (Sarah stands for accountablility and personal responsiblity, democrats can't live with that)
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