Skip to comments.Trial of George Zimmerman Could Trigger Another Rodney King
Posted on 04/17/2012 11:27:43 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
Trayvon Martins shooter has a new lawyer. Mansfield Frazier hopes hes advising his client to take a plea, since a protracted murder trial is the last thing we need.
As George Zimmerman faces murder charges for shooting Trayvon Martin, its worth asking if America is in danger of facing Rodney King, Part II?
Thats what I see down the tracks: If this case goes all the way to trial, its a train wreck waiting to happen. The time is now for strong hands to take the helm and steady the ship of statenot to mention our national racial, political and legal discourse. The paramount concern has to be to avert a large-scale racial calamity.
As Touré recently wrote, if sane adults are not careful, deliberate and measured in the handling of the Trayvon Martin-George Zimmerman affair, a dark time could descend upon America.
Look whats already festering on the streets of Sanford, Florida. On the one hand weve got the three stooges of the New Black Panther Party running around Sanford, spouting off crazy ideas and becoming a total embarrassment to more thoughtful and reasoning blacks who simply want justice. On the other weve got the equally clownish neo-Nazis, goose-stepping around on their self-appointed mission to protect the white race. In this environment it wouldnt take much to ignite the racial power keg were sitting on. One false or ill-conceived move in this case could allow the loony inmatesnot Zimmermans current neighbors, but those who are imprisoned by their long-simmering racial hatredsto fan the incendiary flames of bigotry into full-blown conflagrations of violence across the land.
As someone who watched the King riots unfold from a Los Angeles motel window (and sometimes from the balcony, when we werent too afraid to venture out), Im here to tell you it was a nightmarish time. Thick, acrid black smoke from hundreds of fires hung over the L.A. basin for days as young, armed blacks and Hispanics roared around in open convertibles and jeeps, wearing bandannas and brandishing all sorts of weaponry. We could hear gunfire both in the distance and nearby. Stores that hadnt been set on fire the first day were looted by the second, and by the third day TV stations were warning of an impending food shortage. A body lay in the gutter on Crenshaw Boulevard for the better part of two days before National Guard troops removed it.
We dont want to go back there. Fortunately Zimmermans new attorney, Mark OMara, appears to comprehend the broader implications and potential danger of the situation, and seems well qualified to negotiate a fair outcome for his client, and indeed for the rest of us. He has the calm demeanor of a law professor, and speaks in measured, but not calculating, terms. His first comments seemed designed not to convince anyone of his clients innocence, but rather to take the heated rhetoric down a few notches. He cautioned that everyone should allow the justice system to work.
So what would a fair outcome look like? To my mind, the government offers Zimmerman a plea deal that has him back on the street within this decade, and he accepts it quietly. That seems like a conclusion most reasonable Americans could live with. Of course, no matter how long or short any sentence may be, there will be those who disagree, some vehemently.
If OMara were successful in brokering such a resolution, he should be viewed as nothing less than a savior. A protracted murder trial of George Zimmerman is the last thing this country needs right now. America can only dodge so many racial bullets, and a not-guilty verdict in this case could very easily turn the racial cold war into a very hot one.
Of course, for such a plea scenario to work, Zimmerman will need to listen more to OMara than to any of the other voices clamoring for a piece of him. Hes in isolation right now, presumably for his own safety, but a side benefit is that it keeps the more rabid right-wingers from getting inside his head and convincing him to take the case to trial, based on the belief that no matter what the evidence shows, in Florida at least one juror will never vote to convict. Unfortunately, this reasoning is not crazy. The South, after all, is still the South.
But after a few weeks of isolation and the counsel of OMara, Zimmerman may decide going to trial isnt in his best interest. If OMara is as savvy as he seems, he will probably inform his client of the stark legal facts: The state overcharged him with murder 2 for two reasons: its a bargaining chip to force him to accept a lesser charge, and a means to keep him locked up pretrial. The way the legal system is designed, its difficult for someone being held in custody to win acquittal. Even if he went to trial and managed to get a hung jury, the state would surely retry him (multiple times, if necessary), until they get a conviction or hes spent more time in the county lockup than he would have spent in prison if hed just pleaded guilty in the first place. And even if he were acquitted, lets not forget the specter of a federal indictment being handed down.
In all of this, the upcoming bail hearing is key: If the judge doesnt grant bail, Zimmerman had better start listening real intently to his lawyer.
The wild card is his father, Robert, who has so far sounded like a knee-jerk far-right ideologue. In an interview he said, "I never foresaw so much hate coming from the president, the Congressional Black Caucus, the NAACP," and this was before Obama said anything about the case! It will be virtually impossible to keep Robert Zimmerman away from his son, which means hell have ample opportunity to whisper Stand Your Ground rhetoric into his ear, possibly ginning up Zimmermans courage and convincing him to go to trial in spite of the danger of being convicted.
We all need to pray that Mark OMara is successful in bringing about a fair outcome for his client, for justice, and, more important, for America.
The response to the Rodney King riots was way too weak. Should have put the fear of God into those rioters with the appropriate response.
how does that saying go?
“You don’t realize that it is better for you to have one man die for the people than to have the whole nation destroyed.”
Incorrect application, though.
Federal troops in LA:
The Los Angeles (LA) riots were the most destructive civil disturbance in US history, causing the deaths of at least 54 people and more than $800 million in property damage throughout LA County. More than 10,000 troops from the California National Guard (CANG), 2000 active component soldiers, and 1500 Marines were deployed to the area at the height of operations:
The 1992 Los Angeles Riots
Lessons in Command and Control from the Los Angeles Riots
Lieutenant Colonel Christopher M. Schnaubelt
1st Battalion, 185th Armor Regiment
Police officers responded to a domestic dispute, accompanied by marines. They had just gone up to the door when two shotgun birdshot rounds were fired through the door, hitting the officers. One yelled `cover me! to the marines, who then laid down a heavy base of fire. . . . The police officer had not meant `shoot when he yelled `cover me to the marines. [He] meant . . . point your weapons and be prepared to respond if necessary. However, the marines responded instantly in the precise way they had been trained, where `cover me means provide me with cover using firepower. . . . over two hundred bullets [were] fired into that house.
Threats of riots should not determine anyone’s fate.
The response depends upon the race of the rioters.
FU Mansfield Frazier. And go to hell while you’re at it.
How ‘bout allowing justice to be served. And if he’s found not guilty and there are those who want to break the law and riot, take the appropriate action.
I wonder what this guy would say if a black guy killed a klansman and everyone thinks that if he’s not found guilty the klansmen will start hanging people. Would he say “Let’s cut a deal and “allow” the black guy serve less than ten years.”
I was in the Compton Courthouse when the King verdicts were rendered. I personally witnessed courageous Koreans protecting their stores; I have a pictue of the LA riots on my wall.
That was a seminal moment in the life of me and my family.
I say, bring it on MF’ers.
Oh, it’s not going to be anything like Rodney King’s outcome. You see, us white people have a sense of ultimate justice. Where a totally innocent man, such as Reginald Denny is pulled out of his cab, and almost beaten to death by your brothers.
The Korean Shop-holders had it right, bitch.
Sacrfice Zimmerman to appease the mob. How pragmatic.
Excuse me while I vomit.
“So what would a fair outcome look like? To my mind, the government offers Zimmerman a plea deal that has him back on the street within this decade, and he accepts it quietly.”
Words of yet another Black extortionist.
Zimmerman’s only guilty of self-defense, not a crime anywhere.
He should (and must) go to trial and win his exoneration and freedom.
What you have in this article is a Democrat (no matter what he says he is) playing the O'Reilly "Fair and Balanced" mind game.
Can't this stupid SOB see that Zimmerman (no matter what the hell he did ... he wasn't charged) has been politically railroaded? His solution is to put Zimmerman away for a few years to appease the New Black Panther Party. That's justice in America? There's a pre-trial hearing owed Zimmerman, not to mention a trial. If Zimmerman proves self-defense pre-trial ... he walks. That's the law. (This case has NOTHING to do with "Stand Your Ground," which is merely a scary name for the Castle Doctrine guaranteed us by the Magna Carta)
Can't this stupid SOB see that the racial conflagration is the desired outcome of Team Obama? They think Chaos and Confusion spell victory for their ideology.
Can't this stupid SOB see that Holder, by not prosecuting the Black Panthers for their death threats and their earlier voter intimidation, has taken their side?
*Mind? This stupid SOB has no mind. He is letting his melanin think for him.
So what would a fair outcome look like? To my mind, the government offers Zimmerman a plea deal that has him back on the street within this decade, and he accepts it quietly.
Projection from a slave mentality.
of course that’s what 00failure is hoping for
then again, the people of florida realized this... which is why the trial was pushed into next year
QQ moar 00failure, ya racist tard
Agreed on all counts.
Stupid me. I thought the business of the courts was justice.
To my mind, the fellow has the fair trial he's entitled to, and if he's found innocent he is released and any rioters and those inciting them shot as they deserve to be. How's that for "fair outcome", Mr. Frazier?
The gentleman is lying his face off.
Is this a column or a blackmail note? This little proposition is a bit different from the Rodney King situation. That was just a question of an obviously guilty SOB getting beaten up and then let off with bumps served. (Okay, while destroying the careers of the cops who were defending themselves, which was a crime.)
But this notion is, if possible, crazier. If the demand being made is that occasionally, some citizens must gracefully confess to sins they did not commit and go to jail because otherwise the mobs will exact vengeance on the whole society, then all bets are off. If the truth isn't admissible, we're already at war. Let's have the hot one, and get rid of this totalitarian s#$% once and for all.
Which reminds me: I think law-abiding Floridians are way better armed than the Angelinos were.
You dont realize that it is better for you to have one man die for the people than to have the whole nation destroyed.
Caiaphas John 11:49-52, 18:14
If the LAPD had IMMEDIATELY done their job (Chief Darryl Gates was at an Awards Banquet and didn't even know what the hell was happening!) it would have been a short disturbance indeed.
Then the uber-wimp GHW BUsh came in and instead of arresting the Mayor for Inciting a Riot, made sure the acquitted cops were charged with "Civil Rights" violations and condemned to serious time on completely trumped up charges that even enraged .... for a while ...the ACLU! ... again to appease African-American mobs. One smart move in LA would have won him re-election!
And BTW, Bob Zimmerman did not speak out against Obama and Holder until AFTER they had shot their mouths off. I have no idea who this Mansfield Frazier guy is ... except maybe some token newsroom geek who cannot wait to go pull the Obama lever.
The writer has decided in advance what “justice” would look like and what sort of outcome he wants. He isn’t concerned about a fair trial for Mr. Zimmerman or examination of the facts.
“The paramount concern has to be to avert a large-scale racial calamity.”
F that, you racist POS. Bring on the calamity. I don’t want to share my country with people like you.
Right there with ya. I'm tired of this sh*t.
The New Black Panthers cannot possibly be dumb enough to riot anywhere but in large urban areas where they will be under the protection of Black Mayors and Black Police Chiefs. (aka "The Kiss of Death" for any American City) And you can bet they will not be taking on any Korean shopkeepers.
Mr. Frazier, I was in LA for the ‘92 riots.
I don’t live anywhere near people like that anymore. I was on my own then, so anyone in a new potential riot zone shall be on their own should it happen again.
I don’t wish for any riots to come, but I sure as shit don’t care if any riots come.
Blackmail? Really Mr. Frazier, how disgusting. Mr Zimmermman deserves a fair trlal and if found not guilty any rioters should be held accountable for their actions. I want justice for all.
So, you are all just a bunch of thugs, eh?
I already knew that.
To your mind a Cairo outcome qoild result in the deprivation of a man’s innocence ?
To avoid a synthetic injustice ?
To avoid a so called race war?
A “White Hispanic?”
You are a joke. A travesty to anyone possessing reason and fairness.
You want a predetermined outcome and you publish your premise as an article of racial justice.
Justice should be blind and predicated on the facts. not your feelings of something the rest of ua don’t recognize as some endemic cancer and blight of white or Hispanic existence that by its color and quantity proves your theory.
Go to hell.
I too lived through Rodney King. I looked for a friend in LA who I find was safe only to return to San Francisco and have my evening interrupted by societill miscreants looking for any reason to burn down “Whities” vestiges of relaxation, fun and shopping.
FU and Your premise.
If zimmerman is found innocent or the charges dropped, you should quietly accept it, the same as we did with OJ.
FO and have good evening.
We are prepared for your “Get Even Society”.
It won’t end well for anyone.
But, you don’t care about the consequences.
Wanna borrow my bucket?
Let it burn.
Shibumi, bring on the tagline.
Sounds like a not-very-thinly-veiled threat, to me.
Convict or we tear you apart.
How would that be justice?
Either your Signature or your Brains will be on that Contract.
Do you suppose hypothetically speaking that one of those who vehemently disagree might be named, "Atticus Finch?"
Either your Signature or your Brains will be on that Contract.
Two different Conservative bloggers called every law enforcement agency around Sanford to inquire about this.
Not one agency knew anything about it.
The only nazi photos published in the original article were taken in Arizona!
Went through the riots in Rochester, NY in 1964 as a volunteer fireman in a district at the city boundary. The King/LA session was pretty awful, but localized. The 1964-65 riots, however,were nationwide, springing up one after another in NY City, Chicago, Philly, LA/Watts, don’t know where else, except in 1968 after the MLK assassination Wilmington, DE was placed under martial law from April until January 1969. Y’all better watch out ...
I want my country back.
So do I.
[does anybody know where it is?]
George Zimmerman, come on down!
Cop a plea, go to jail, the media and the mob have determined you are to be this season's sacrifice to the 'god of racial equality' to preserve the pristine tenements and 'hoods and to keep the self-righteous racists from breaking things and stealing other people's stuff.
If that doesn't work, the MSM will be tasked with picking others to throw into the volcano.
How about we wait for the facts, still obscured by diabolical editing and pixelation, to emerge in the case. What were the tox screen results on the deceased, or have those even been run?
” Trial of George Zimmerman Could Trigger Another Rodney King “
of course it will, they have had the plan for just that to happen for 3 years