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Newt: Right to Bear Arms is a Human Right
YouTube.com ^ | Apr 13, 2012 | Newt Gingrich

Posted on 04/18/2012 8:41:55 AM PDT by SoConPubbie

Newt, showing up the anti-2nd Amendment, lying, left-wing, Progressive Liberal on yet another issue important to conservatives.

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TOPICS: Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2ndamendment; gingrich; guns; newt; think
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To: JRandomFreeper

Keyword here. Natural right granted by God ansd protected by the Constitution. Our Constitution.

Our Constitution does not protect the Natural rights of people in other countries.


51 posted on 04/18/2012 12:36:57 PM PDT by dforest
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To: dforest
Newt was advocating going to the UN with this.

The UN can go "F" itself. IMO, we should withdraw from membership in it and evict it from New York.

The UN is irrelevant in any case ... The RKBA exists independently of the Constitution. The Second Amendment recognizes the existence of that right and constrains the government from infringing on it.

52 posted on 04/18/2012 12:37:28 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: GonzoGOP

Arguably, crew served weapons don’t qualify as “bearing arms.” So, anything below that level should be okay.
Folks might need a license for crew-served weapons and up.


53 posted on 04/18/2012 12:40:20 PM PDT by Little Ray (FOR the best Conservative in the Primary; AGAINST Obama in the General.)
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To: dforest
Pieces of parchment don't protect people or rights.

People do. The Constitution just lists the limits of the grant of power to the federal government.

Any freedom loving person will protect the God-given rights of any person. Including the unborn.

/johnny

54 posted on 04/18/2012 12:43:56 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Little Ray
Folks might need a license for crew-served weapons and up.

They don't currently. And I would fight any law that might require permission from the government to have a cannon.

/johnny

55 posted on 04/18/2012 12:45:26 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: ArrogantBustard

Oh really? They have been infringing upon it for years. Give Barry 4 more and we may lose those rights altogether.

He is inching to a world government. And it ain’t friendly to our Constitition and universal gun rights.

He is working toward Agenda 21 and world courts. Just give the SOB some more Supreme Court picks.

Gawd, it is awful. We are having a hard time in a civil way hanging on to what we are supposed to have. I certainly am not worrying about other countries at the moment. Unless they want to kill us. Then I notice. LOL


56 posted on 04/18/2012 12:46:05 PM PDT by dforest
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To: JRandomFreeper

Last time I checked you needed Class 3 FFL for a .50 cal or larger (like a 20mm anti-tank rifle). Might be waived for muzzle loading cannon.


57 posted on 04/18/2012 12:51:34 PM PDT by Little Ray (FOR the best Conservative in the Primary; AGAINST Obama in the General.)
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To: dforest
Oh really? They have been infringing upon it for years.

You have just revealed the dirty little secret ... the fatal flaw in the Constitution.

It has no enforcement clause.

58 posted on 04/18/2012 12:52:03 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: JRandomFreeper

You nailed it.

But you see, that is what I am worried about.

Freedom loving people have failed the unborn. I haven’t seen a GOP administration do crap to overturn Roe. They always use the old “it is up to the States” cop out and that is the end of it. I don’t see anyone stopping Obama because he does as he pleases and gets away with it.

As you can see, I am very frustrated.


59 posted on 04/18/2012 12:54:06 PM PDT by dforest
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To: Little Ray
So grand-dad's 10 gauge is illegal? I don't think so.

So called 'destructive' devices are currently regulated unConstitutionally, but things like cannons, Gatling guns, and hotchkiss guns were legal, last I heard.

/johnny

60 posted on 04/18/2012 1:02:21 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Little Ray
Oh, and I didn't need an FFL for my AR-50.

/johnny

61 posted on 04/18/2012 1:05:45 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper

COOL! I thought they were classified as “destructive devices” and required a Class 3 license.
I’d love a 37mm Hotchkiss gun... especially an electrically cranked Hotchkiss gun!


62 posted on 04/18/2012 1:09:40 PM PDT by Little Ray (FOR the best Conservative in the Primary; AGAINST Obama in the General.)
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To: ArrogantBustard

You know, I think maybe they meant that “We The People” would have to be the enforcement clause.


63 posted on 04/18/2012 1:13:51 PM PDT by dforest
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To: dforest
You know, I think maybe they meant that “We The People” would have to be the enforcement clause.

And that brings us right back to the second amendment.
64 posted on 04/18/2012 1:16:51 PM PDT by GonzoGOP (There are millions of paranoid people in the world and they are all out to get me.)
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To: GonzoGOP; dforest
And that brings us right back to the second amendment.

And the keeping of heavy weapons in our "garages" (whatever exactly is meant by that).

65 posted on 04/18/2012 1:20:24 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: ArrogantBustard; GonzoGOP

God Love ya both! Exactly. So we have to keep our means of enforcement.


66 posted on 04/18/2012 1:30:08 PM PDT by dforest
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To: ArrogantBustard
And the keeping of heavy weapons in our "garages" (whatever exactly is meant by that).

Whatever you want it to mean if you will just make your point. Stipulate any meaning you want, but I'm not going to play gotcha guessing games with you.
67 posted on 04/18/2012 1:39:05 PM PDT by GonzoGOP (There are millions of paranoid people in the world and they are all out to get me.)
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To: GonzoGOP
Sigh ... I'm not playing "gotcha games" ... I'm trying to find out what you had in mind when you asked me the question about keeping nukes in one's garage.

Seriously ... A "garage" could be an underground structure in Manhattan, a part of a house in suburbia, a shed in the middle of the desert hundreds of miles from anything ...

68 posted on 04/18/2012 1:49:09 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: ArrogantBustard
So ... do you think it's acceptable for a State to prohibit the ownership of all guns including a .22 pistol?

No, and that wasn't my point.

69 posted on 04/18/2012 1:57:37 PM PDT by backwoods-engineer (I will vote against ANY presidential candidate who had non-citizen parents.)
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To: GonzoGOP
make your point

One does not have the right to violate other people's rights. I hope you would agree with that. Even the "right to life" does not authorize murder for the purpose of cannibalism (even in the absence of any other food source).

Similarly, the right to keep and bear arms does not authorize conduct which threatens the life, health, or property of others. How one "keeps and bears" a rifle or pistol differs from how one "keeps and bears" grenades, artillery, poisons, nukes ... in order to not threaten the life, health, or property of one's neighbours.

70 posted on 04/18/2012 2:05:22 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: JRandomFreeper
The right to bear "arms" is a right to bear weapons that can be held by your human arms, Not true. Cannons are legal. And I dang sure can't budge one of my uncle's cannons without a crew. And he lives in California.

Cannons are legal, but the Founders sure thought of "arms" as being exactly as I described. Don't have the time to dig up quotes just now, but when the 2nd was being debated, small arms are what was in view.

Now, does that mean crew-served weapons should be prohibited from individual possession? ABSOLUTELY NOT, and I don't believe they should. I'm talking about the purview of the 2nd Amendment and the Constitution (limited Federal powers), which was the original question (tub of deuteride, remember?).

I think government should judge actions, not possession of contraband.

71 posted on 04/18/2012 2:06:15 PM PDT by backwoods-engineer (I will vote against ANY presidential candidate who had non-citizen parents.)
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To: JRandomFreeper
There has always been a bit of ab ano thinking going on about the 2d Amendement. It's why you hear candidates ... particularly on the Left ... talking about hunting and deer rifles and shotguns for ducks etc. ad nauseam.

The 2d Amendment has NOTHING to do with putting game on the table. It has two purposes ...
(a)Instant formability of militias and
(b) it is a safeguard against any government using arms AGAINST US!
(c)Along the way it enables free men and women to defend themselves against criminals when seconds count and the police are minutes away

Therefore, if the government has Ma Deuce, I should be able to have Ma Deuce. I don't particularly want to have a machine gun, (not when I can knock either eye out of a sparrow at 600 meters with my trusty Swede Mauser in 6.5X55 ...honest) but if my fellow potential militia men do, good show! Were this country ever occupied, the occupiers would suffer heavy casualties from even the humble .22 long rifle hollow point, which in the right hands can do heavy damage at 100 yards,(since many of us can very quickly put 10 in a 1-ft circle at that range!) the shooter then perhaps picking himself up an AK or other heavier weapon. Scoped .308s, even 30-30's, which are the ballistic equivalent of the 7.62X39, would certainly make invading this outfit a costly business ... as the Nazis, Commies, Japs knew. And what the Legft conveniently ignores in all their condescending prattle about shooting ducks with Pa's old shotgun... or more than likely they'll say "rifle."

Hunting? Lots of fun. Got nothing to do with the Constitution.

72 posted on 04/18/2012 5:12:30 PM PDT by Kenny Bunk (So, Scalia, Alito, Thomas, and Roberts can't figure out if Obama is a Natural Born Citizen?)
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To: Kenny Bunk
would suffer heavy casualties from even the humble .22 long rifle hollow point,

Yep. I have a favorite semi-auto rifle that I practiced pop-up shots with for hunting squirrels in tall trees. Little buggers seem to know you have a rifle and just peek a head around for a second.

The largest land animal (Jumbo the elephant) was put down with a .22 short by a vet after being struck by a train.

My listing for the .22 LR has an energy of about 97 ft lbs. That's about the equivalent of a baseball bat swing, in a very small cross section.

/johnny

73 posted on 04/18/2012 5:41:07 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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