Posted on 04/18/2012 2:29:47 PM PDT by TexasVoter
[B]irthers are focusing on U.S. Sen Marco Rubio, the budding Republican star from Florida.
“It’s nothing to do with him personally. But you can’t change the rules because you like a certain person. Then you have no rules,” said New Jersey lawyer Mario Apuzzo.
Forget about the alleged Photoshopped birth certificates; the activists are not challenging whether Rubio was born in Miami. Rather, they say Rubio is ineligible under Article 2 of the Constitution which says “no person except a natural born citizen … shall be eligible to the Office of President.”
(Excerpt) Read more at miamiherald.com ...
“Rawle and his family were British sympathizers.
Why on earth would you quote him or his works?”
Some of the Founders had slaves, therefore we shouldn’t trust anything they ever said about anything.
By the way, why are his sympathies relevant? Did he lie about the Constitution in order to effect a takeover of the U.S. via British anchor babies?
the law is clear. Denial is not just a river in egypt.
It is re judicata. The birthers lost loooooong before obama.
the only chance they ahd was to argue some document or adoption papers made obama naturalized.
Rubio is a US citizen by birth. (btw ever see a white US passport? it was for cuban refugees in the 60’s. just trivia fun)
Birther can yell and scream and go hysterical until they are blue in the face, the fact of law and constitution (vatel is not law or relavent) is there are only two types of citzenship.
Does it matter? No.
zero has already proven that
I take the term to mean those who believe that he is ineligible BECAUSE he was born in Kenya. These are the ones I believe have missed the point.
If you want to include those who believe he is ineligible because he was born in America and his father was not a US Citizen, thus he is not "Natural Born", then my comment regarding "Birther's" would exclude the second group.
Ah it didn't have to say it was about making former slaves into citizens. There wouldn't have been any reconstruction amendment for that matter if the civil war was not fought. No civil war no "Reconstruction Amendments" like the 14th Amendment.
Until you guys acknowledge that there is a distinction between natural law and positive law, we will just go around and around.
Is that supposed to be sarcasm?
By the way, why are his sympathies relevant?
Hmmmmm, I think I'll await an answer to the my fist question.
“Is that supposed to be sarcasm?”
Yes.
“Hmmmmm, I think I’ll await an answer to the my fist question.”
That was yes, now I’m waiting.
What's unclear is your conclusions.
It is re judicata. The birthers lost loooooong before obama.
You can't expect honesty from the courts and in the media who live on the river banks of the 'Denail' river. Heck, they live in their own world of delusions and tell themselves lies everyday because it makes themselves feel good.
The proof is here daily on FR. Obama and the media, lie every day, all 365 days in a year, ...but they are telling the truth in this matter that Obama is a natural born citizen? LoL. We all know what's going on.
“it didn’t have to say it was about making former slaves into citizens. There wouldn’t have been any reconstruction amendment for that matter if the civil war was not fought. No civil war no ‘Reconstruction Amendments’ like the 14th Amendment.”
Perfect example of what the internet calls “insane troll logic.”
“Until you guys acknowledge that there is a distinction between natural law and positive law, we will just go around and around.”
I recognize the distinction. Aristotle was thousands of years ago. The Constitution, by the way, is positive law, as ought to be obvious. It is positive law that makes for U.S. citizens, for without the positive law that is the U.S. Constitution there would be no U.S. to be a citizen of.
The word “natural” in natural born citizen throws you guys. “Natural” is like “nature,” and therefore we must look to Natural Law. God makes Natural Law, and God didn’t write the 14th amendment, therefore only children of two citizen parents can be natural born citizens. Whatever. I admit this line of thought is beyond my experience.
“The proof is here daily on FR”
Written in code on invisible ink, inscribed on the shell of a turtle hidden deep beneath the earth in a treasure chest guarded by a minotaur.
Who cares...he is weak for going with Romney!
<< Put Rubio’s name into the hat and do it with a fanfare.
Then when the media goes after him the Native born vs. Natural born issue will get the play it deserves. >>
I couldn’t agree more.
I would run Rubio for VP in 2012, and what will the Democrats and their sycophants in the media do, go after him and NOT go after Obama for the same thing?
If he runs any time after Obama is out of office, bet your life it will become an issue.
“Obama and the media, lie every day, all 365 days in a year, ...but they are telling the truth in this matter that Obama is a natural born citizen? LoL.”
Because they lie about some things—okay, a lot of things—they lie about everything? That does not follow. Early morning shows often tell me when the sun’s going to rise; does that mean that there is no such thing as the sun, never was, and it’s all a communist conspiracy to get me to turn off my lightbulbs, aimed at capitalist electricity companies?
I have to admit, you are getting better at sophistry.
I don’t care for him, regardless.
George Washington was concerned about just that, seeing as how he took the advice of John Jay upon the matter.
Recall the letter to George Washington from Jay:
New York, 25th July, 1787.
Dear Sir,
Permit me to hint whether it would not be wise and seasonable to provide a strong check to the admission of foreigners into the administration of our national government; and to declare expressly that the commander in chief of the American army shall not be given to, nor devolve on any but a natural born citizen.
I remain, dear sir,
Your faithful friend and servant,
John Jay
“I have to admit, you are getting better at sophistry.”
If so, I learned from the master. Demosthenes couldn’t outdo your syllogism:
1. no slavery, no civil war,
2. no civil war, no civil war amendments,
3. therefore, soil babies are not natural born citizens.
“George Washington was concerned about just that, seeing as how he took the advice of John Jay upon the matter.”
Well, he didn’t stop it, so poor him.
“Permit me to hint whether it would not be wise and seasonable to provide a strong check to the admission of foreigners into the administration of our national government; and to declare expressly that the commander in chief of the American army shall not be given to, nor devolve on any but a natural born citizen.”
This demonstrates nothing. Soil babies aren’t foreigners.
He was such a British sympathizer that George Washington appointed him the first United States Attorney for Pennsylvania.
Did the 14th Amendment make former slaves, noncitizens, into natural born citizens, Tublecane?
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