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Alternatives to donor based, ie, freepathon business model?
Click here if you wish to continue the donor based business model and free participation for all ^ | April 19, 2012 | Jim Robinson

Posted on 04/19/2012 1:22:35 PM PDT by Jim Robinson

I've checked with an ad agency. We can probably raise the funds we need to operate FR at our current level and at the current market price for online advertising if we run a banner ad at the top of every page and at least one rectangular ad in the above the fold body of the page and a couple rectangular ads in the sidebar. If that doesn't generate enough revenue, we can also run pop ups or pop unders and we can even run audio and video ads if need be. But of course, if we go full bore commercial, we'd have to insure strict copyright compliance with very brief excerpting of all articles to avoid lawsuits. And the agency would require that we install a filter to censor out any bad or unacceptable words in our posts.

Or, of course, there's always the membership model. We could setup a members only system where paying members get full access and non-paying members get throttled back, etc.

I don't like either of the above models and think we'd soon lose a lot of our readers and participants. Of course that may happen anyway if we can't fund it and if we cannot get our equipment problem under control, or if my refusal to vote for or support an abortionist/homosexualist/statist who has plans to install ObamaCare, er, I mean RomneyCare into all 50 states runs everyone off.

The donation model has served us very well since 1997 when we first started using it. It's very clean, uncomplicated and we attract participants who perhaps can't afford membership dues but do want to join the discussion and join our rallies, protests, prayer sessions, etc. And the advertising model would probably bring in the revenue, but it comes with strings attached.

I'm sure there are other ways and ways to combine features of various models, sell books, cds, gear, etc, offer no ads for paid subscribers, etc, even ISP services, but all of these also complicate matters.

I'm an old dog and I like to avoid new tricks, new complications, additional overhead, additional accounting, additional rules and regulations, etc, wherever possible. I like to stick to simplicity and with what works.

Thank you all very much for your continuing participation and support.


TOPICS: Free Republic; News/Current Events
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To: cripplecreek
I’d be OK with whatever you decide to do. As always I’m open to producing FReeper gear as long as the proceeds go to FR.

I'd be interested in a red polo shirt with FR logo and a baseball cap!

101 posted on 04/19/2012 3:33:35 PM PDT by MSSC6644 (Defeat Satan: pray the Rosary.)
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To: wendell dertah; Jim Robinson; onyx
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102 posted on 04/19/2012 3:34:06 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 (I do not expect the (FR) house to fall - but I do expect it will cease to be divided-Jim Robinson)
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To: moose07

LOL!


103 posted on 04/19/2012 3:34:55 PM PDT by RedMDer (https://support.woundedwarriorproject.org/default.aspx?tsid=93)
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To: Jim Robinson

I’ve been lurking since the Monica days and contributing only sporadically. Shame on me for riding in the wagon and not helping to pull. I just set up a monthly contribution. The site was unavailable for a while this morning and I was LOST without it.


104 posted on 04/19/2012 3:37:04 PM PDT by rtwingxtremist
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All contributions are for the Current Quarter Expenses.


Every time a Freeper or Lurker signs up to be a New Monthly Donor

A generous Freeper donates $10!!

Please sign up now!

105 posted on 04/19/2012 3:37:52 PM PDT by RedMDer (https://support.woundedwarriorproject.org/default.aspx?tsid=93)
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To: Jim Robinson

Tiered membership works at other sites. Ar15.com comes to mind. Free, and four paid levels with varying extras added on.

I’m a Gold level member over there. I’d do the same here.


106 posted on 04/19/2012 3:38:54 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (Steampunk- Yesterday's Tomorrow, Today)
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To: libertarian27
I was just asking if it would be better to pay a larger chunk instead of monthly -say giving $120 as one chunk would be $2 processing fee - $120 over 12 months is $24 processing fee, right? (Just trying to understand the fee structure)

Ah, I understand. I think the processing fees are a percentage. I donate $30 per month, which likely costs 1.5% or 2% to process, but Free Republic knows it getting that amount every month.

I think you're right, when it comes to Free Republic receiving the entire amount, that checks are better, but that leaves us with FReepathons and I like FReepathons and Monthly Donations!

Processing fees are part of doing business. Retail business are also stuck with processing fees. If checks bounce, Free Republic is stuck with the cost of those, without much recourse. I have no idea if that's happened.


107 posted on 04/19/2012 3:39:50 PM PDT by onyx (SUPPORT FREE REPUBLIC, DONATE MONTHLY. If you want on Sarah Palin's Ping List, let me know.)
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To: Jim Robinson

I say roll with the ads. You deserve to make as much $$$ as possible and ads should do that, considering the traffic FR generates.

Anyone who complains about ads should use FF or Chrome and Ad-block.


108 posted on 04/19/2012 3:40:27 PM PDT by Longdriver
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To: tomkat


# 1 0 0 !!!


109 posted on 04/19/2012 3:40:49 PM PDT by onyx (SUPPORT FREE REPUBLIC, DONATE MONTHLY. If you want on Sarah Palin's Ping List, let me know.)
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To: Anitius Severinus Boethius

So let’s set up class system? And have some freepers more “prestigious” than others?

Why not the membership where you actually very something for your money instead of “look at me”, I’m better than you because I give more... Reminds me of a church I briefly attended where they have out “prestigious awards for the highest tithe payers (I’m not kidding)

I have long thought that the information on FR is too valuable for just anyone (DU trolls, etc.) And thought the info should be member based, perhaps with an option for sponsorship of long time freepers who are on very limited budgets, hardships etc.) ... Each case had it’s pros.and cons but, IMO awarding people with prestige just simply because they have more money is disheartening to some. But, it’s not my site and I stand with JR whatever he does and I intend on being a freeper for a while, well till Jesus comes actually.


110 posted on 04/19/2012 3:41:43 PM PDT by DrewsMum
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To: rtwingxtremist; Jim Robinson
Outstanding !
111 posted on 04/19/2012 3:42:21 PM PDT by tomkat ( ... shall NOT be abridged)
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To: wendell dertah
I thought about posting a reply, but you're simply not worth it.

<plonk>

112 posted on 04/19/2012 3:43:08 PM PDT by tomkat ( ... shall NOT be abridged)
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To: Jim Robinson
No, and I have no desire to participate in outside funding organizations. Not particularly interested in big donations either. They’d have strings attached.

Any thoughts for doing merchandising in house?

I just searched for 'FreeRepublic t-shirts' and that link and a few more popped up...so someone(s) is making money off your product, wouldn't it be better to do it here? Authentic! As a Premium for donation?
ie: $50(?) donation and you'd get an authentic FR keychain - $100(?) donation for an authentic t-shirt, etc.
Rush 24/7 has 'bonus gifts' to generate more members, many places do.

113 posted on 04/19/2012 3:43:15 PM PDT by libertarian27 (Check my profile page for the FReeper Online Cookbook 2011)
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To: wendell dertah
IBTZ

This guy (or gal) deserves the boot outtahere!

114 posted on 04/19/2012 3:45:26 PM PDT by Ron C.
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To: onyx

I'd first like to thank my producer, and of course . . .

115 posted on 04/19/2012 3:45:46 PM PDT by tomkat ( ... shall NOT be abridged)
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To: greyfoxx39; wendell dertah; Jim Robinson

Cowardly, bitter, dishonest, twerp. He can ride the lightning for the second time.


116 posted on 04/19/2012 3:46:31 PM PDT by onyx (SUPPORT FREE REPUBLIC, DONATE MONTHLY. If you want on Sarah Palin's Ping List, let me know.)
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To: MSSC6644
I made a couple of coffee cups for myself with this design on them.

Image Hosted by ImageShack.us

When I take my coffee down to the post office or to the local cafe, people ask about Free Republic.
117 posted on 04/19/2012 3:49:52 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: rtwingxtremist
THE SUN NEVER SETS ON FREE REPUBLIC!

THANK YOU VERY MUCH, rtwingxtremist!!!!

GOD BLESS YOU!!!

MONTHLY DONORS ROCK!!!

118 posted on 04/19/2012 3:50:00 PM PDT by onyx (SUPPORT FREE REPUBLIC, DONATE MONTHLY. If you want on Sarah Palin's Ping List, let me know.)
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To: Jim Robinson
Server storage and bandwidth are remarkably inexpensive these days. You might consider a hosted solution.

119 posted on 04/19/2012 3:50:39 PM PDT by Interesting Times (WinterSoldier.com. SwiftVets.com. ToSetTheRecordStraight.com.)
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To: onyx; FReepers; All
Click

Stop The Madness! Donate to Free Republic.
Every time a Freeper or Lurker signs up to be a New Monthly Donor

A generous Freeper donates $10!!

Please sign up now!

120 posted on 04/19/2012 3:53:19 PM PDT by RedMDer (https://support.woundedwarriorproject.org/default.aspx?tsid=93)
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To: wendell dertah

Having a temper tantrum like a two year old, does not make you a man. In fact it makes you look like a little boy.


121 posted on 04/19/2012 3:54:04 PM PDT by beandog (All Aboard the Choo Choo Train to Crazy Town)
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To: Tribune7

Agreed. I’ve been here since 1998. I’d vote for the neighbor’s cat over Obama. He must be removed for the sake of the country.


122 posted on 04/19/2012 3:54:40 PM PDT by The Right Stuff
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To: Interesting Times

Yes, I know. I’ve looked into it. Like the hosting service we use. Thanks.


123 posted on 04/19/2012 3:55:19 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (There's no crying in rebellion!!)
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To: wendell dertah

Your post can stay for posterity, but your second opus is also accepted.


124 posted on 04/19/2012 3:57:36 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (There's no crying in rebellion!!)
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To: Jim Robinson

FWIW, I’m good with the present format and funding mechanism. I simply send in to FRee Republic the money I used to send to Gannett for a dead-tree subscription to The (Monroe, LA) News Star. The cosmic rewards for that act far outweigh the monetary value.

Of course, any marginal hardware/software upgrades to the system should be done as time/money permits.


125 posted on 04/19/2012 4:00:21 PM PDT by abb ("What ISN'T in the news is often more important than what IS." Ed Biersmith, 1942 -)
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To: tomkat

LOL. Of course.


126 posted on 04/19/2012 4:00:53 PM PDT by onyx (SUPPORT FREE REPUBLIC, DONATE MONTHLY. If you want on Sarah Palin's Ping List, let me know.)
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To: Jim Robinson
"...but your second opus is also accepted."

He rightly deserves it. Good riddance!

127 posted on 04/19/2012 4:01:41 PM PDT by Ron C.
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To: rtwingxtremist

Thank you very much, rtwingxtremist!!


128 posted on 04/19/2012 4:03:02 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (There's no crying in rebellion!!)
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To: Jim Robinson

Thank you very much, abb!!


129 posted on 04/19/2012 4:04:13 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (There's no crying in rebellion!!)
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To: wendell dertah


130 posted on 04/19/2012 4:12:01 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Jim Robinson

I guess one of the questions I would have about the advertising model is what sort of ads would be there. My first thought was of coming to FR and seeing Obama and Romney ads on every page, for example.

If this has already been addressed, sorry about that. I scanned down through the posts but didn’t have time to actually read every detail.


131 posted on 04/19/2012 4:13:01 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (You can be a Romney Republican or you can be a conservative. You can't be both. Pick one.)
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To: libertarian27

Bob J and BadJoe did some merchandising with our logo as a separate entity long ago when we first got started, but then gave it to another FReeper. We chose not to participate when they transferred ownership to the new owner, to avoid being involved in merchandising or commercial ventures on FR. We did run a banner for him on our front page for many years as a public service for those who wanted to purchase gear with our logo, but I don’t think he made much money on it and gave it up recently.


132 posted on 04/19/2012 4:14:11 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (There's no crying in rebellion!!)
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To: wendell dertah

So I guess that means you are for the Ads rather than the donations?


133 posted on 04/19/2012 4:16:20 PM PDT by 21twelve
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To: Jim Robinson
Nothign to do with funding, and you might be sick of hearing it, but one thing that's always sounded 'right' somehow is a short lag between signup and posting rights.

Dunno, maybe it'd be too much of a PITA to implement, but seems like it'd keep the trolling pruned back a bit, especially around election time(s).

/.02

134 posted on 04/19/2012 4:17:30 PM PDT by tomkat ( ... shall NOT be abridged)
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To: wendell dertah
Go spit into the wind.

Aim for the green. Let's get those new servers!

135 posted on 04/19/2012 4:18:18 PM PDT by RedMDer (https://support.woundedwarriorproject.org/default.aspx?tsid=93)
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To: Ron C.

A good number of people are pissed.


136 posted on 04/19/2012 4:18:35 PM PDT by Outlaw Woman (The biggest Hate group in America is located in the White House, Congress & DOJ)
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To: Jim Robinson
Anyone not willing to donate to FR and uses it daily and calls it home... is NOT a Conservative. Even a dollar a month would help. Next thing you know... they will demand government support.

LLS

137 posted on 04/19/2012 4:19:49 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer (Pray hard and often!)
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grrrr .. Nothing

(and an edit button, while you're at it ;-)

138 posted on 04/19/2012 4:19:53 PM PDT by tomkat ( ... shall NOT be abridged)
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To: lightman; Jim Robinson

Yeah, I like it!

Free Republic Premium Membership

FRPM $1 a day gets you Free of the adds!

Freedom isn’t free anymore Jim.


139 posted on 04/19/2012 4:19:59 PM PDT by Randy Larsen (I hate Rinos and Romney is one of the worse Rinos ever!)
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To: EternalVigilance

The ads if we went that way would probably look similar to the ones on Drudge:

http://www.drudgereport.com/

Or NewsBusters:

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/jack-coleman/2012/04/19/ed-schultz-shrugs-secret-service-hooker-scandal-ive-heard-they-do-stuf

(for example).


140 posted on 04/19/2012 4:24:20 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (There's no crying in rebellion!!)
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To: Jim Robinson

My AGV popped in to warn of tracking cookies at both sites.


141 posted on 04/19/2012 4:27:30 PM PDT by onyx (SUPPORT FREE REPUBLIC, DONATE MONTHLY. If you want on Sarah Palin's Ping List, let me know.)
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To: Randy Larsen; Jim Robinson
Free Republic Premium Membership
FRPM $1 a day gets you Free of the adds!
Freedom isn’t free anymore Jim.

Given that my AGV immediately popped in at both Newsbusters and Drudge, I would want a Premium Membership that blocked all ads.

142 posted on 04/19/2012 4:30:43 PM PDT by onyx (SUPPORT FREE REPUBLIC, DONATE MONTHLY. If you want on Sarah Palin's Ping List, let me know.)
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To: Jim Robinson

Remember what happened to Rush Limbaugh!

The libs contact your advertisers and threaten to boycott them unless they drop you and poof! no advertisers!

We live in a uncivil times and the revenue loss in mass of advertisers would be instant bankruptcy for FR!


143 posted on 04/19/2012 4:32:58 PM PDT by Randy Larsen (I hate Rinos and Romney is one of the worse Rinos ever!)
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To: Randy Larsen; onyx; Jim Robinson; All
BTTT!

144 posted on 04/19/2012 4:35:29 PM PDT by RedMDer (https://support.woundedwarriorproject.org/default.aspx?tsid=93)
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To: libertarian27; Jim Robinson
"I just searched for 'FreeRepublic t-shirts' and that link and a few more popped up...so someone(s) is making money off your product.

What's up with that, Jim? If these are FReepers, they need to at least pay a premium. (Hopefully they do already.)

While I'm at it, add another one that will pay $10 for new monthly donations over $30 per month - anytime throughout the year, not just during FReepathons.

I don't want to see FR have to move to paid membership (pay to post) - just the software to handle that would give John fits. Neither do I want to see ads come here.

Maybe we should consider a more obvious and permanent reminder that this is a user supported site - automatically on every thread created.

145 posted on 04/19/2012 4:35:38 PM PDT by Ron C.
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146 posted on 04/19/2012 4:35:49 PM PDT by MEG33 (O Lord, Guide Our Nation)
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To: onyx

Yup and that’s another big drawback to advertising. They track you everywhere. I was interested in buying a couple items recently and googled them. Ended up purchasing a rollaway bed from Amazon and some hardware and hand tools from another online outlet. Now wherever I go I get ads for beds, mattresses, tools and hardware. I’ve been targeted as a buyer in the market. And ever since then I’ve noticed that I get targeted for any item I google or look at on Amazon.


147 posted on 04/19/2012 4:36:20 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (There's no crying in rebellion!!)
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To: Jim Robinson; libertarian27

Is FR trade marked? If not, can we? Most regular FReepers would purchase the merchandise.

It may not eliminate FReepathons all together, but I’m sure it would put a great big dent in them.


148 posted on 04/19/2012 4:37:44 PM PDT by NoGrayZone (Jim "Firebrand" Robinson endorses Newt...with EPIC call to action!!)
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To: wendell dertah

Hey Wendell, you wouldn’t know a real man if you saw one, coward.


149 posted on 04/19/2012 4:38:23 PM PDT by jazusamo (Character assassination is just another form of voter fraud: Thomas Sowell)
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To: onyx
AdBlock Plus

It makes the interwebs tolerable.

150 posted on 04/19/2012 4:38:45 PM PDT by tomkat ( ... shall NOT be abridged)
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