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Senate tries to put wrangling aside to rescue Postal Service from insolvency
msnbc.com ^ | 4/19/12 | Tom Curry

Posted on 04/19/2012 2:51:29 PM PDT by ColdOne

“We’re really very, very close to getting something done,” said Majority Leader Harry Reid Thursday afternoon. “Our main issue now is whether there will be a 50-vote hurdle or a 60-vote hurdle,” he said.

The Postal Service is headed for financial collapse and perhaps for a taxpayer bailout. Whether Congress can avert this outcome and save it is the question that the Senate has been debating this week as it considers a bipartisan agency restructuring bill.

Reid warned on the Senate floor Thursday, “Those of you who are holding up the bill because you don’t like it, you may not like what the result of having no bill is.”

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1 posted on 04/19/2012 2:51:31 PM PDT by ColdOne
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To: ColdOne
“We’re really very, very close to getting something done,” said Majority Leader Harry Reid Thursday afternoon.

Oh great.

Grab your wallet and pray.

2 posted on 04/19/2012 3:01:54 PM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: ColdOne

Privatize it. The government screws up everything it touches.


3 posted on 04/19/2012 3:02:26 PM PDT by refermech
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To: ColdOne
allow Congress time to devise a way to resuscitate an enterprise that, if it were in the private sector, would be on the brink of bankruptcy or liquidation.

That's the problem....

Only government can flourish by flushing money down the proverbial sh!thole.

4 posted on 04/19/2012 3:04:58 PM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: refermech
“Approximately 80 percent of its retail facilities do not generate sufficient revenue to cover their costs,” the GAO reported, yet “the number of USPS-operated retail facilities, about 32,000, has remained largely unchanged” over the past five years.

While millionaire fat cats in Washington insist that we keep paying for it with OUR hard earned labor!

5 posted on 04/19/2012 3:11:33 PM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: ColdOne
Under the 1970 Postal Reorganization Act, the Postal Service was supposed to be financially self-sufficient, covering its costs through postal rates and fees. But in its previous reform efforts, Congress has shown that it manages and sometimes micromanages the Postal Service, even as it advocates self-sustainability.

Case closed, get government out of it or shut it down!!

6 posted on 04/19/2012 3:18:55 PM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: ColdOne

Let it die.


7 posted on 04/19/2012 3:31:26 PM PDT by rightly_dividing (Newt 2012)
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To: ColdOne

In other words enough Republicans will cross over, of course.

The GOPe was always thus


8 posted on 04/19/2012 3:32:06 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: ColdOne

PULL THE PLUG. Its done!


9 posted on 04/19/2012 3:32:58 PM PDT by Delta 21 (Oh Crap !! Did I say that out loud ??!??)
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To: EGPWS
The problem is the $5 billion tribute USPS must pay to Congress each year to balance the federal budget.

You see how well that worked ~ the budget isn't balanced and the USPS is nearly bankrupt.

That organization simply isn't large enough to support the US government.

Just give back the tribute ~ and stop collecting it in the future.

10 posted on 04/19/2012 3:38:27 PM PDT by muawiyah (ue)
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To: rightly_dividing

Obviously you know nothing.


11 posted on 04/19/2012 3:40:02 PM PDT by muawiyah (ue)
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To: EGPWS
And how is your labor paying for USPS?

They operate on postage and fees for services. They also provide a heavy cash subsidy to the US government to keep your taxes down.

12 posted on 04/19/2012 3:41:12 PM PDT by muawiyah (ue)
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To: EGPWS
GAO, as usual, is totally nuts. It's more like 95% of postal facilities do not generate sufficient revenue to cover their costs.

An internal project I worked on years ago revealed that we could close 28,000 postal facilities (mostly small non city delivery post offices in rural areas) and come out billions of dollars to the good.

Congress, at most, allowed us to approach the Postal Rate Commission for a regulation change that allowed us to shut down small post offices if they were burned down or destroyed by tornadoes.

Thoughts of corporate arson aside, that's the law ~ your Congress critters voted for it. GAO tells lies for Congress!

13 posted on 04/19/2012 3:44:49 PM PDT by muawiyah (ue)
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To: ColdOne

It is incomprehensible and unforgivable that Congress has not passed a national budget in over 3 years. We are a banana republic without the bananas.


14 posted on 04/19/2012 3:45:19 PM PDT by TexasRepublic (Socialism is the gospel of envy and the religion of thieves)
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To: GeronL
All Constitutional strict constructionists recognize that providing post offices is a federal government requirement.

Those who prefer to dig into the penumbra of the Constitution are, of course, mind-numbed socialist wannabees ~ and they usually want to do it a different way.

Strict construction is a Conservative hallmark. Screwing with the Constitution and ignoring its provisions is a Leftwingtard hallmark.

15 posted on 04/19/2012 3:50:09 PM PDT by muawiyah (ue)
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To: muawiyah

We can provide a slimmed down postal service at much lower cost. right?

Not that these GOPes will do that.

The GOPes have also passed tracking devices on all new cars starting in 2015.


16 posted on 04/19/2012 3:52:32 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: GeronL
With the letter mail processing equipment already installed distribution costs have been whacked to the bone ~ so there are an awful lot of folks who can be laid off.

You can reorganize rural delivery, change the headout offices and get rid of about 28,000 postmasters and relief clerks.

I suppose the benefits could be passed on to the ratepayers!

There's a popular theory that reductions in mail volume allow for serious reductions in delivery costs ~ it is in error.

We proved years back in a massive study that carrier costs increase in a quantum fashion, not linearly. The existing carrier base could tolerate an X% increase in mail volume with no major changes, then BANG you'd add one more letter and it'd need a MULTIPLE X% increase in carriers.

The factor driving carrier costs the most was mileage ~ and the more houses (and other stops) the more carriers would be needed.

It works the same way going backwards as you lose mail volume.

They've already gone through one of the reverse quantum jumps by whacking out all the overtime. Next, entire routes.

This is done through an existing procedure of route evaluation.

17 posted on 04/19/2012 4:04:04 PM PDT by muawiyah (ue)
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To: GeronL

It’s easy. Rich people aren’t paying their fare share of postage. We need a special postage tax.


18 posted on 04/19/2012 4:05:50 PM PDT by baiamonte
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To: baiamonte

I know! We’ll call it a stamp tax! (Hair standing up on the back of your neck yet?)


19 posted on 04/19/2012 4:11:11 PM PDT by goodwithagun (My gun has killed fewer people than Ted Kennedy's car.)
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To: GeronL

“We can provide a slimmed down postal service at much lower cost. right?”

Yea, and at the same time get rid of a bunch of those surly minorities who are there to “serve you.” Being helpful, thoughtful and courteous are not amongst the items in their job description. The USPS is just another worthless government agency just like the GSA. Somewhere I read that ten years ago there were something on the order of 900,000 USPS “employees,” now it’s less than 500,000 and the number needs to be something around 250,000. Just think, all those pensions going to people who screwed with you at the P.O.! I would not miss it if it were gone tomorrow Constitutional requirement or not. Even most of the European countries have privatized their post offices.


20 posted on 04/19/2012 4:19:39 PM PDT by vette6387
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To: muawiyah

They also spent tens of millions on periodical sorter machines and do not use them. They keep employing people to do it by hand.

There is a whole lot of FAT in the USPS


21 posted on 04/19/2012 4:29:17 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: rightly_dividing

gubmint programs never die.

especially when they’re unionized.


22 posted on 04/19/2012 4:37:51 PM PDT by TurboZamboni (Looting the future to bribe the present)
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To: GeronL
The problem has been ~ (1) Unwillingness to lay off bargaining unit people (although they lay off higher level people, even guys with doctorates ~ and that, btw, is one of their big problems. I don't think they have anybody with a legitimate college degree anymore), and (2) A major drop in advertising volume when Obama was elected President. The guy literally killed businesses with his gaze.

As far as using "flat sorters" is concerned, there have always been questions about the several dozen technologies developed to do that. Part of it has to do with the fact that Single Piece Rate flats are so few in number in any one area it's never been worth while to put them on machines. Another problem there is that Standard Rate flats are already presorted and packed for optimal distribution to carriers ~ so why would you sort that stuff again?

We once had a SPR (small parcel and roll) sorter that looked promising ~ but as I retired folks were telling us it didn't really beat manual distribution costs ~ but I'm not sure how that turned out. Other express shippers have had trouble with the concept UNLESS they totally standardize and limit sizes of "small parcels" ~ the Russians did that ~ worked great for them ~ but it was considered too authoritarian for normal societies.

Now, about periodicals ~ they are all presorted. ALL. And, volumes have fallen off the planet ~ because, as you know, "print is dead".

23 posted on 04/19/2012 4:43:42 PM PDT by muawiyah (ue)
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To: vette6387

I’m sorry i didn’t get the chance to really mess up your mind even more. There’s a psychiatrist somewhere who is living paycheck to paycheck ~ but with you around he’d GET RICH!


24 posted on 04/19/2012 4:45:21 PM PDT by muawiyah (ue)
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To: ColdOne
Another day, another federal bailout.
25 posted on 04/19/2012 5:13:08 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (For every black person murdered by a white, thirty-nine white people are murdered by blacks.)
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To: TexasRepublic

Crazy isn’t it? No budget for the Obama presidency. Yet an overwhelming number of these CongressWeasels will be returned to office.

Much of what USPS delivers can easily wait a day. They can deliver every other day, cut out many facilities, and hike the bulk mail rate to reduce some volume.


26 posted on 04/19/2012 5:13:28 PM PDT by wrencher
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To: GeronL
We can provide a slimmed down postal service at much lower cost. right?

Ever heard of "fixed costs?"

You've never run your own business have you?

27 posted on 04/19/2012 5:15:16 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (For every black person murdered by a white, thirty-nine white people are murdered by blacks.)
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To: ColdOne

It would be better to help push USPS over the edge. Have some fun, send some mail out a nickel short in postage and make them use the postage due routine. Bog the system down with collecting dimes and nickels for fun. It would cripple them with stupid postage due envelopes and collections.


28 posted on 04/19/2012 5:17:15 PM PDT by wrencher
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

The post office is no longer an essential service anyway. They should raise rates for the junk mail that Harry Reid loves so much. They should fire the periodical sorters and use the machines that the taxpayers paid so much for.


29 posted on 04/19/2012 5:34:21 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: GeronL
Taxpayers didn't buy the machines. The taxpayers paid for the GSA party. People who pay postage paid for those machines.

Now, if you were paying your postage correctly (Hmmmm?!?!?!?) you'd already know that.

You don't happen to have a million dollar postage deficiency do you? I always hated to handle those ~ so messy ~ people treatening to jump from ledges on skyscrapers, the whole works.

Messy.

30 posted on 04/19/2012 6:32:31 PM PDT by muawiyah (ue)
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To: GeronL

I predict that Ubama will attack FedEx and UPS for “unfairness” and assess them with an annual fine to keep the USPS afloat.


31 posted on 04/19/2012 6:46:14 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (For every black person murdered by a white, thirty-nine white people are murdered by blacks.)
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