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Dr. Robert Spitzer Renounces Infamous 'Ex-Gay' Study Claiming Some Gays Could...retread troll zot
http://www.sacbee.com/2012/04/11/4406240/dr-robert-spitzer-renounces-infamous.html | 4/19/12

Posted on 04/19/2012 7:21:51 PM PDT by Only Sane Man

Edited on 04/19/2012 7:45:07 PM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

In a move that serves as a significant blow to "ex-gay" programs and anti-gay organizations, Dr. Robert Spitzer repudiated his much-criticized 2001 study that claimed some "highly motivated" homosexuals could go from gay to straight. His retraction occurred in an American Prospect magazine article that hit newsstands today. Spitzer's rejection of his own research, which was originally published in the prestigious Archives of Sexual Behavior, is a devastating blow to "ex-gay" organizations because it decisively eliminates their most potent claim that homosexuality can be reversed through therapy and prayer.



TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: communists; exgay; homosexualagenda; ibtz; junkscience; pseudoscience; retraction; robertspitzer; spitzer; zot
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I don't expect true conservatives have any difficulty with an integrity test; presumably arguments relying upon the bogus study are already being retracted.
1 posted on 04/19/2012 7:21:58 PM PDT by Only Sane Man
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To: Only Sane Man
Oops -- link fix.
2 posted on 04/19/2012 7:23:06 PM PDT by Only Sane Man
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To: Only Sane Man

The Gay Mafia made him an offer he couldn’t refuse.


3 posted on 04/19/2012 7:25:01 PM PDT by Oratam
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To: Only Sane Man

Ok so how does he explain why long time dads “go gay” especially as they age?

Could it be it’s really a choice after all?


4 posted on 04/19/2012 7:25:35 PM PDT by A_Former_Democrat
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To: Only Sane Man
Nice try and thanks for playing, newbie. The fly in your ointment is that the empirical facts which underlie the view of homosexual behavior as neuroplastic, existed long before Spitzer's somewhat peculiar political gyrations.

Just as his origimal sellout to the homosexual lobby did not remake scientific truth, neither will this unexplained reversal of personal opinion unmake reality.

5 posted on 04/19/2012 7:27:34 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: Only Sane Man

6 posted on 04/19/2012 7:28:48 PM PDT by massmike (Massachusetts: If they had just kept hanging witches a bit longer...........)
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To: Only Sane Man

It sounds to me as though the boy couldn’t take the heat.


7 posted on 04/19/2012 7:29:57 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (It's time for the 47% to start paying their "fair share" of income taxes. Hypocrites!)
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To: Only Sane Man
The fact of the matter is, for whatever reason, a homo is a homo.

And their ain't no changing that.

Anyone who has ever known them (almost everyone has) knows this to be the case.

8 posted on 04/19/2012 7:30:50 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Only Sane Man
Breaking News?

I smell imminent ozone...

9 posted on 04/19/2012 7:33:22 PM PDT by DBeers (†)
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To: Only Sane Man

That article said absolutely nothing at all.

So, he decides he was wrong “in retrospect”, and that is just as sound as his original work. This without any explanation.

Gee. Did that article have just a whiff of objectivity to it or not?

So. On what basis is this article an “integrity test” that true conservatives might or might not object to?


10 posted on 04/19/2012 7:35:27 PM PDT by rlmorel (A knife in the chest from a unapologetic liberal is preferable to a knife in the back from a RINO.)
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To: Only Sane Man

IBTZ


11 posted on 04/19/2012 7:36:40 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: Only Sane Man
In a move that serves as a significant blow to "ex-gay" programs and anti-gay organizations, Dr. Robert Spitzer repudiated his much-criticized 2001 study that claimed some "highly motivated" homosexuals could go from gay to straight.

Or not.
Depending if the good doctor discovered quickly that it doesn't pay to cross the gay mafia.

I need to check on his social and financial success since his initial study.

12 posted on 04/19/2012 7:37:46 PM PDT by Publius6961 ("It's easy to make promises you can't keep" - B.H.Obama Feb 23, 2012)
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To: Only Sane Man

Maybe it shows the power of peer pressure and political correctness.


13 posted on 04/19/2012 7:38:04 PM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: stephenjohnbanker

As usual follow the money.


14 posted on 04/19/2012 7:38:04 PM PDT by DAC21
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To: massmike

I wanted to see what the guy had to say. Heck, he’s been here a week or so and thought this was important enough to start a thread.

Depending on what he says, I expect the cats to be circling soon.


15 posted on 04/19/2012 7:38:39 PM PDT by rlmorel (A knife in the chest from a unapologetic liberal is preferable to a knife in the back from a RINO.)
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To: Mariner
The fact of the matter is, for whatever reason, a homo is a homo.

and an idiot is an idiot... ain't no changing that.

16 posted on 04/19/2012 7:38:44 PM PDT by FightforFreedomCA (I WILL be voting on November 6th to evict the current pResident.)
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To: Only Sane Man

Before you get zotted maybe you can answer one question: Why do you communists love homosexual sex so much?


17 posted on 04/19/2012 7:38:52 PM PDT by DBeers (†)
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To: Mariner
The fact of the matter is, for whatever reason, a homo is a homo.

Not all homo's are created equal. While I suspect that most are born that way, there are probably some who have the power to "choose".

The stupidest thing is to believe that sexual orientation is an either/or thing, when in actuality, it probably exists an a continuum. Some might in fact choose, I suspect a few that I know. And yes, I know many.

18 posted on 04/19/2012 7:39:35 PM PDT by Paradox (I want Obama defeated. Period.)
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To: Only Sane Man

You screen name is very narcissistic and you really post a lot for a new sign up. Have you been here before?


19 posted on 04/19/2012 7:41:21 PM PDT by PA Engineer (Time to beat the swords of government tyranny into the plowshares of freedom.)
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To: Only Sane Man

I know you haven’t been here long, but it usually is not a good sign when someone posts a thread, particularly on a dumb, worthless article like this, and fails to maintain some dialog on your own thread.

I suggest you engage.


20 posted on 04/19/2012 7:41:51 PM PDT by rlmorel (A knife in the chest from a unapologetic liberal is preferable to a knife in the back from a RINO.)
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To: Only Sane Man; 50mm; darkwing104; Arrowhead1952; Darksheare; onyx; TheOldLady; Lady Jag; Allegra; ..

IBTZ!

Calling the Viking Kitties! We have a newbie troll here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZpvLCptAHT8


21 posted on 04/19/2012 7:42:44 PM PDT by DarthVader (Politicians govern out of self interest, Statesmen govern for a Vision greater than themselves)
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To: Only Sane Man

IBTZ.


22 posted on 04/19/2012 7:44:29 PM PDT by wyokostur
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To: A_Former_Democrat

Gay or straight is an intellectual decision.

Masculine or Feminine attraction is the dominating factor for attraction. If it is intellectually unacceptable for a feminine man to be with a masculine man in a gay relationship, he will merely search for a masculine woman.

Even in gay relationships you will almost always find one dominant masculine and one dominate feminine personality. I say almost always as I have found one relationship where two masculine women formed a relationship and adopted a daughter. The lack of balance between the parents has really screwed up the daughter. The masculine aspect of consciousness does not feel the presence of love, it observes actions and makes conclusions as to what the feeling should be. It does however recognize the absence of love or emptiness feeling when it is removed. The feminine recognizes the feeling of the presence of love. All this is a function of how the two aspects of consciousness store, process and retrieve memories. The end result was that the daughter with two masculine mothers had virtually no bonding foundation which happens between the young child and the feminine parent.

I work quite a bit with gays and lesbians in psychological testing of development and can usually identify the point in their life where the became gay. It is caused by a shift in consciousness patterns and is easy to demonstrate, even in a scientific setting. I don’t judge anyone, I just help them understand why!

“Ok so how does he explain why long time dads “go gay” especially as they age?”

As people age, they tend to shift to more gender neutral, just as a young child is prior to puberty. In old age it is normal for men to become more feminine and women to become more masculine... Just look at Helen Thomas! Humor intended!


23 posted on 04/19/2012 7:44:29 PM PDT by tired&retired
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To: Mariner
Question?????

Are human being sentient?????

24 posted on 04/19/2012 7:46:00 PM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud dad of an Army Soldier who has survived 24 months of Combat deployment.)
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To: Only Sane Man

My son is a homosexual.
My Bible describes all kinds of sins, homosexuality is listed along with covetors, drunkards,swindlers, etc.
Here’s the good part:
“And such were some of you; but you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the
Lord Jesus Christ, and in the Spirit of our God.”
Only if you are honest and call sin, sin, is there a cure, and that cure is in the saving work of the Lord Jesus Christ.
Depending on the opinions of men, “the experts”, only leads to deception and hopelessness.
“Surely, says the Lord, even the captives of the mighty will be taken away, and the prey of the tyrant will be rescued; for I will contend with the one that contends with you, AND I WILL SAVE YOUR SONS, and all flesh will know that I, the Lord, am your savior and your redeemer, the mighty one of Jacob.”
Never stop praying.


25 posted on 04/19/2012 7:46:13 PM PDT by WestwardHo
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To: DBeers
"Before you get zotted maybe you can answer one question: Why do you communists love homosexual sex so much?"

Sorry for being a buttinski....the political homosexual agenda is not about alternative sex, it's about undermining religion. Commies hate religion because big government does not like the competition of any large organizations. If homosexual mores can be forced by government, religion loses control and cred.

26 posted on 04/19/2012 7:46:37 PM PDT by Earthdweller (Harvard won the election again...so what's the problem.......? Embrace a ruler today.)
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To: rlmorel

I hardly think that scientific advance is “worthless”.


27 posted on 04/19/2012 7:46:53 PM PDT by Only Sane Man
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To: tired&retired

Interesting. Human sexuality, like everything else, is a lot more complicated than anybody really understands.


28 posted on 04/19/2012 7:48:11 PM PDT by Only Sane Man
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To: PA Engineer

I just took a look at the posting history, and it is kind of odd. Not quite like that guy that used to come on and post about trains all the time, or the guy who had the thing about pit bull attacks, though.


29 posted on 04/19/2012 7:49:05 PM PDT by rlmorel (A knife in the chest from a unapologetic liberal is preferable to a knife in the back from a RINO.)
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To: Only Sane Man

If you want to read some really interesting research on this topic, read about the genetic modifications to the VNO or vomeronasal organ in rats. If reversed their gender behaviors and caused the females to exhibit humping behavior and the males to become nurturing feminine. The VNO is the receptor organ in the nose for pheromones.


30 posted on 04/19/2012 7:49:52 PM PDT by tired&retired
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To: Only Sane Man

So homosexuality is now shown to be an incurable disease. But we didn’t give up on cancer.


31 posted on 04/19/2012 7:50:21 PM PDT by Da Mav
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To: tired&retired

Yeah but this whole thing is premised on “That’s just the way they are.” If it’s genetics then how’s it happening with men that were perfectly capable of fathering children, and now they’re homosexual? Or moms that family lawyers will say they’re seeing more leaving marriages for same sex partners? I don’t think so. While there are those that one can readily tell were “Born that way” there are many more who choose that “orientation” because they hate their ex, they hate the other gender, they can’t get a date, they can’t get laid, they want the easy way out.


32 posted on 04/19/2012 7:51:57 PM PDT by A_Former_Democrat
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To: Only Sane Man

I don’t know what you mean by “scientific advance” but I will guess you mean “scientific advancement”.

And this article has nothing to do with the advancement of science.

Where in that article is there anything at all that has to do with science other than the fraudulent sounding guy with “Dr.” in front of his name?

I really am curious.


33 posted on 04/19/2012 7:52:10 PM PDT by rlmorel (A knife in the chest from a unapologetic liberal is preferable to a knife in the back from a RINO.)
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To: Only Sane Man

I don’t care about the study in the least. I have personal experience and know several homosexuals who have changed and gone on to lead happily straight lives.

Oh and IBTZ, troll.


34 posted on 04/19/2012 7:52:10 PM PDT by reaganaut (There is no such thing as the 'lesser of two evils'. Both are still evil. Resist!)
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To: Mariner

Two types commit sodomy: the broken and criminals.


35 posted on 04/19/2012 7:52:52 PM PDT by King Moonracer (Bad lighting and cheap fabric, that's how you sell clothing.....)
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To: DarthVader; TheOldLady

thanks DV.


36 posted on 04/19/2012 7:58:16 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (FReepathon 2Q time -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: A_Former_Democrat

The homosexual lobby has a vested interest in convincing society that their “condition” is genetic, and that they have no control over it.

If they have no control over it, then that opens a lot of doors, doesn’t it?

It is no coincidence that they constantly try to frame it in the context of the Civil Rights movement, where people were oppressed because of something that was genetic and they had no control over.


37 posted on 04/19/2012 7:58:21 PM PDT by rlmorel (A knife in the chest from a unapologetic liberal is preferable to a knife in the back from a RINO.)
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To: A_Former_Democrat

It’s not “That’s just the way they are. It’s not genetic. Although there might be a genetic predisposition, the prevailing factor is consciousness patterns and shifts between masculine and feminine aspects. These directly influence hormone production and influence the behavior patterns. The mannerisms associated with a feminine gay man are a function of their consciousness pattern changes influencing personality development which influences biochemistry. The feedback reinforcement mechanism causes a reverse influence as well.


38 posted on 04/19/2012 7:59:56 PM PDT by tired&retired
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To: Only Sane Man

Interesting. Human sexuality, like everything else, is a lot more complicated than anybody really understands.

************

Naaaa..it’s really not that complicated at all.


39 posted on 04/19/2012 8:00:30 PM PDT by wyokostur
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To: Only Sane Man


40 posted on 04/19/2012 8:04:00 PM PDT by Godzilla (3/7/77)
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To: Only Sane Man
I don't expect true conservatives have any difficulty with an integrity test; presumably arguments relying upon the bogus study are already being retracted.

His reason for retraction had nothing to do with the veracity of the study. Further the only thing he stated regarding the study was "the critiques [of my study] are largely correct" and "The findings can be considered evidence for what those who have undergone ex-gay therapy say about it, but nothing more."

I suspect he was simply sick and tired of getting harassed, (RE: retraction: "So I don't have to worry about it anymore"), by the butt rangers and their useful idiots.

-from the article

"In retrospect, I have to admit I think the critiques [of my study] are largely correct," Dr. Spitzer told the American Prospect in an article by Gabriel Arana titled, My So Called Ex-Gay Life. "The findings can be considered evidence for what those who have undergone ex-gay therapy say about it, but nothing more." Spitzer asked for a retraction of his 2001 study, "So I don't have to worry about it anymore?"

In summary The arguments remain -homosexuality is an intrinsic disorder and homosexual sex is self destructive, of no benefit to society, and noting to be promoted -I am not drinking the leftist koolaid you are serving up.

41 posted on 04/19/2012 8:04:29 PM PDT by DBeers (†)
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To: WestwardHo

I believe one can hate the sin but not the sinner.

Most conservatives could care less what consenting adults do in the privacy of their home.

What many of us have a problem with is the concept of putting a homosexual relationship on a culturally equal footing, both societally and politically, with heterosexual relationships.

I don’t have children, but I fully recognize that the benefits that a government may render for the purpose of supporting a family-based society are ostensibly there to promote that structure, and should not be extended to homosexual relationships.

Liberals, of course, have different ideas about the family unit. It is not a surprise that the vast majority of homosexuals are liberals.


42 posted on 04/19/2012 8:04:46 PM PDT by rlmorel (A knife in the chest from a unapologetic liberal is preferable to a knife in the back from a RINO.)
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To: Only Sane Man

I hardly think this tripe is “scientific advance”. Methinks that Spitzer succombed to the gaystapo.


43 posted on 04/19/2012 8:05:22 PM PDT by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: Only Sane Man

My research in this area has led to some interesting observations.

1. Why more boys are autistic and have Asperger’s Syndrome than girls.

2. Why women or dominate feminine men are more likely to develop MS. It appears to be an emotional influence on allosteric enzymes production in the liver necessary for the schwann cells to produce the myelin sheath around the axons.

This is a fascinating area for research.


44 posted on 04/19/2012 8:06:49 PM PDT by tired&retired
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To: DBeers

That was exactly what I got from that.

I don’t know or care about his original study, but it doesn’t sound like he went back to the drawing board with his quiver of scientific method tools and came to a different conclusion.

It sounds more like he wants to wash his hands of it. Can’t say I blame him.


45 posted on 04/19/2012 8:09:04 PM PDT by rlmorel (A knife in the chest from a unapologetic liberal is preferable to a knife in the back from a RINO.)
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To: WestwardHo
Amen to that with man it may not be possible, but with God all things are possible. You bring up a good point. To God all of our sins are equal in sinfulness, but He can save from any sin if we just turn to Him in repentance.

Maybe people can't change, but they can be changed.

46 posted on 04/19/2012 8:09:24 PM PDT by Idaho_Cowboy (The man of a thousand tag lines)
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To: WestwardHo
Re 24

Prayers for your son. We are all sinners, saved only by Grace. May the Good Lord work His miraculous work.

2 Corinthians 5:17
Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

47 posted on 04/19/2012 8:13:49 PM PDT by El Cid (Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house...)
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To: Only Sane Man
Human sexuality, like everything else, is a lot more complicated than anybody really understands.

The rectum is certainly uncomplicated ... as a part of the digestive system, it was designed the Creator to solely be a 'one-way street'.

48 posted on 04/19/2012 8:14:49 PM PDT by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: A_Former_Democrat
I never could figure out why it's supposed to matter whether it's "a choice" or "an innate characteristic".

Religion is "a choice"; race is "an innate characteristic"; discrimination on either basis is equally unacceptable in civilized society.

49 posted on 04/19/2012 8:22:05 PM PDT by Only Sane Man
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To: Mariner

Actually, there are countless former homosexuals.

So, you are wrong.


50 posted on 04/19/2012 8:26:43 PM PDT by little jeremiah (We will have to go through hell to get out of hell. Signed, a fanatic)
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