Posted on 04/20/2012 12:30:18 AM PDT by South40
Students at a vocational school who just wanted to learn how to weld were afraid for their lives when their teacher lined them up, pulled a gun from his waistband and started firing blanks at them.
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Guns aren’t toys, period. People frequently get blanks and real rounds confused.
Putting people in fear for their life isn’t funny, its sadistic and pathetic.
As I see it there are four issues involved here:
1) Gun laws: There is a reason there are sound and solid reasons there are laws against “brandishing a firearm “. The laws of his state should be enforced in this matter.
2) Behavior as a teacher: He should be terminated, regardless of his mental health state, and should never be allowed to find work involving children again.
3) Mental health: This would influence criminal charges and punishment.
4) This could happen at a private school as well as government school so I don’t see this a being a problem intrinsic to the government schools.
Oh my.....
I see that I was WAAAAYYYYYY too late.
But homeschooling is that solution. For that matter, it's the ONLY true alternative to group education and it DOES to read between the lines and think for themselves instead of being led blindly by enemies to freedom in our media, government and education. (Besides the fact that that is irrelevant to the discussion at hand, which is the stupid *educator's* actions. Hey, but don't waste an opportunity to slam homeschooling.)
This teacher gives new meaning to the term *idiot*.
If he doesn't like the consequences of his actions, he needs to think about that before pulling some major league stupid @ss stunt like this.
I was going to post a reasonable reply to your post here but then decided to go back through your posting history on this thread and see how the conversations went, and decided against it.
What this person did is inexcusable by any stretch of the rational imagination. In your frenzied attempts to justify public schooling and this teacher, you have obviously lost sight of that.
Can you imagine the reaction if a student did this to the teachers?
Or someone did this to obama?
Would it be called a *stunt* then?
“I was going to post a reasonable reply to your post here but then decided to go back through your posting history on this thread and see how the conversations went, and decided against it.”
If your post was reasonable and intelligent (like this one) then you wouldn’t end up like Tiger. I have no desire to lambast good people. Tiger made erroneous accusations which he couldn’t defend and then resorted to logical fallacies and name calling when challenged on it. Instead of just accept the fact that he was wrong he continued to press...so I gave him what he deserved.
Regarding the rest of this post, I’ve already said it’s no question this guy was compromised in some way and that what he did was wrong. That’s not the point. The point is does the charges levied against him and the potential punishment fit the crime? He should be accountable for something, but 12 counts of felony charges and a potential for 60 year imprisonment? Common; I refuse to believe you aren’t alarmed by this or find this acceptable.
Furthermore, does anyone even know what really transpired? It’s easy to pass judgment when all you’ve been told is a tiny sliver of the facts by an anti-gun sympathetic media. All I’ve done is implore people to take a deep breath and look at the frailty of the notions they’ve been led to believe and the gross abuse of justice and its misappropriation.
After I read the article and ran what I knew over in my mind…I was outraged…not at the teacher but the failure of the justice system and media.
“But homeschooling is that solution. For that matter, it’s the ONLY true alternative to group education”
It’s more of a rejection than a solution...still...it’s not the only solution. You are implying that all group education is somehow bad…which simply is not true. Homeschooling is your prerogative but don’t be arrogant and assume that it is somehow superior to all other forms of education. Another solution is to do what I did and choose to fight for the hearts and minds of our kids and change the culture of the schools. I’m in the trenches every day doing my part and taking action.
“What this person did is inexcusable by any stretch of the rational imagination. In your frenzied attempts to justify public schooling and this teacher, you have obviously lost sight of that”
Your assertion is inaccurate. I haven’t justified anything. Don’t start down the logical fallacy path your friend did. I’ve stated over a dozen times that what this guy did was wrong. I just don’t think it warrants 12 felony charges and 60 years in prison. I don’t think people are looking at the case rationally. To me, people ranting and raving and gnashing their teeth about this guy in their posts reeks of mob mentality and street justice. I find that offensive and dangerous because it’s that very mentality which the left uses to strip our liberties and damage our education, justice system and government; all the things you complain about.
Zero tolerance laws are a good example of how mob mentality allowed law makers to justify stripping people of their individuality and over-criminalize everything. The next time some kid gets arrested for bringing a butter knife to school for their bagel…I’ll send them to you to convict them in the court of street justice and mobocracy.
That's all you had.
Your posts or your whole life?
“Your posts or your whole life?”
Next I suppose you’ll be whipping out the “your momma” jokes.
Get a life.
The "argument" was won here but you are too much of an idiot to concede to the law itself.
He knew they couldn't shoot back, or otherwise effectively defend themselves.
Accordingly, he should get the 60 years. The Principal and school superintendent should get the maximum federal time:
United States Code, Title 18, U.S. Criminal Code, §ection 241
Conspiracy against rights
If two or more persons conspire to injure, oppress, threaten, or intimidate any person in any State, Territory, Commonwealth, Possession, or District in the free exercise or enjoyment of any right or privilege secured to him by the Constitution or laws of the United States, or because of his having so exercised the same; or If two or more persons go in disguise on the highway, or on the premises of another, with intent to prevent or hinder his free exercise or enjoyment of any right or privilege so secured—
They shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and if death results from the acts committed in violation of this section or if such acts include kidnapping or an attempt to kidnap, aggravated sexual abuse or an attempt to commit aggravated sexual abuse, or an attempt to kill, they shall be fined under this title or imprisoned for any term of years or for life, or both, or may be sentenced to death.
Buy a clue, loser.
Skool teecher can't spell even with a spell checker. ROTFLOL
With ad-hominems and stupidity. Not one post with substance. Nothing. Not one cite of the law. Not one cite of a similar case supporting you. Zer0.
Umm...the law you posted doesn’t apply here. Did you even read it before posting it? LOL
If that sentence is an example of good grammar it's more proof that public school is child abuse thanks to teachers like you.
“Not one cite of the law”
You mean like the ones you posted that either don’t apply or have nothing to do with the case? LOL
“Buy a clue, loser”
Ooh...buuurn. LOL
The statute I just posted does apply to that quite specifically. With your lack of reading comprehension though you will never figure it out.
Unless of course you just ignore that even when it's spoon fed to your little brain. lol
Wow...you really are grasping at straws. LOL
My apologies for adding an extra ‘o’ on accident… It must have strained your brain to find such a minor error...I commend you.
So you post the knee-jerk emotionally based argument that the rule of law doesn't matter it's how you feeeeeel about it. ROTFLOL
Liberal nitwit.
Least of all you because you're semi-literate.
I left a higher paying job to march into enemy territory every day ...
Enemy territory? A high school class? Oh, yeah, you'd be a big help if someone walked into your room firing a gun. ROTFLMAO
Free Republic is not a blog. Not even close. Maybe one of your students can help you understand the internet. If they're very patient and have some skill working with short bus types.
“The statute I just posted does apply to that quite specifically”
Nope...wrong again. :D
That’s funny...I didn’t know this guy counted as “two or more persons”....ROFL
Learn what ‘conspiracy’ means...idiot
Look up straw man argument. It's about setting up false premises.
“So you post the knee-jerk emotionally based argument that the rule of law doesn’t matter it’s how you feeeeeel about it”
Nope...I was trying to put it into the perspective that this is a human being not a piece of meat.
Nice try though taking it out of context.
Oh...and I said ‘think’, not “feel” so you are wrong here too. LOL
Also…it’s “its” after matter and before how.
Compromised? I don't think that word means what you think it means.
This is a forum. (not a blog) We discuss what is known to us not what might be. Or do you think there should be no discussion at all until the whole case is tried and finished?
After I read the article and ran what I knew over in my mind…I was outraged…not at the teacher but the failure of the justice system and media.
Oh, but you can make that judgment without "knowing what really transpired?" Typical arrogant double standard of the statist wannabe.
“Look up straw man argument. It’s about setting up false premises”
No it isn’t...it’s about misrepresentation of an opponent’s position…Which in this case makes no sense based on the statement you paired it with since it is my own position. “I have a hundred questions in need of answers, before I would condemn this man”
What the hell is wrong with you? LOL
Actually you defended it as some kind of lesson about life.
The kids in question here didn’t know that it was fake and harmless so it scared the crap out of them and gave them a new perspective on life...which is likely the reaction the teacher was looking for in the first place. Isn’t that the whole reason for such programs as ‘Scared Straight’? ... I can certainly empathize with why he did what he did.
Using psyops to frighten people into behaving the way you want them to is a time-honored statist method of mind control. What kind of sick control freak would think that's acceptable?
“Compromised? I don’t think that word means what you think it means”
Sorry…wrong again…
It was implied to be ‘Emotionally’ compromised. Only an idiot would interpret some other meaning for the word in the context it was used. I just assumed intelligence on the part of the reader...I guess I was wrong. LOL
Talk about a complete non-sequitur to the story. (more homework for you)
“Actually you defended it as some kind of lesson about life.”
Sorry wrong again.... The term I used to describe it was “Empathize”
Look it up moron. It’s not a defense argument. :D
Apologize to your students for pretending to be something you're not.
“Talk about a complete non-sequitur to the story. (more homework for you)”
Sorry...wrong again…
It would only be a non-sequitur if I was actually referring to the story with what I said...which I wasn’t. I was talking about mob mentality...unrelated to the story but related to those posting on it… like you. LOL
“Apologize to your students for pretending to be something you’re not”
Argumentum ad hominem ad nauseam. When are you going to actually post something that isn’t drivel? :D
Right, an emotional-based feel good knee jerk liberal argument against objective application of the law. Do you think that the law is mostly applied to non-humans?
Apparently 'semantics' is another concept you can't grasp.
OK, since 'straw man argument' and 'false premises' are too sophisticated for you we'll agree to stipulate that you misrepresented my postings by suggesting, by inference, that I have in any post "condemned" the man.
You, sir, are an ass.
One of the unwritten laws of safety, regarding firearms, is that there are no fakes.... Similar to the adage that all guns are loaded.
Second, the fact nobody was injured is irrelevant. If I fired a shotgun into a crowd, yet miraculously injured no one, it would not be a defense.
“Apparently ‘semantics’ is another concept you can’t grasp”
Sorry...wrong again
Being that semantics is the study of meaning, words are important. If I meant ‘feel’ and what it implied I would have said it. Since I didn’t it is clear that it is you that cannot grasp the concept. :D
Furthermore, the context of the sentence was a challenge to the reader to think about the brevity of the crime vs. what the punishment is, and an appeal for rationality…not an emotional persuasion. I guess that was lost on you too.
I have a gut feeling about you. I am suspicious that you might be a modified concern-troll.
Yeah, right. lol
Do you ever have anything other than ad-hominems?
Boring.
“OK, since ‘straw man argument’ and ‘false premises’ are too sophisticated for you we’ll agree to stipulate that you misrepresented my postings by suggesting, by inference, that I have in any post “condemned” the man.”
It’s not too sophisticated, you just used the term incorrectly as an argument (as you have with other terms), then engaged in logical fallacies to back up faulty logic. You have no basis to request concessions from a position of weakness.
Uh huh. Like most of your babbling nonsense.
“Do you ever have anything other than ad-hominems?”\\
Stop engaging in them and find out.
Bwaaaaaahahahahahahaaaaaaa!
So, if I rob a liquor store and kill the clerk in under 30 seconds I should get a lighter sentence than the robber who takes five minutes? What a maroon!
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