Posted on 04/20/2012 10:59:29 AM PDT by unique1
Black boxes in cars? We’ve reported on it before, but a bill requiring such devices has recently passed the U.S. Senate and is expected to fare the same in the House.
If it goes all the way, cars built after 2015 will all have tattlers to give specific information on a car’s activity. If implemented, the devices are meant to be used by emergency responders during an accident, but the applications are far from limited to those incidents.
Some are worried that installing such devices offer unprecedented invasions of privacy, bordering on big brother level surveillance of everyday citizens. Going to the wrong place, or driving the wrong way could flag you for suspicious activity (in theory).
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Isn't that special?
Incompetence on parade...
Is there anything that the government can’t soil more than it already has? No, and it’s doing it’s damnedest to cover everything as soon as it can.
Long live Big Brother!
(I love Big Brother)
This will be a first step to states taxing us by each mile we drive.
Not Black Boxes. Democrat Boxes that will be used not simply to collect accident data, but also destinations and conversations of those who may oppose the Democratic Party.
“This will be a first step to states taxing us by each mile we drive.”
U.N. Agenda 21, here we come.
Gotta be a way to disable! Leave it up to American ingenuity.
Can mandatory video cameras be far behind?
THey will just assume you are guilty if the box is tampered with.
If you have a fairly new car, made in the last 10 years or so, it likely already has an event recorder, which is all they really need to get info on how you were driving.
I have looking at various sites and have not been able to tell if these are passive or active devices. An on-star type device the tells you where you are or just a record of your speed and other driving that can not retrieved remotely. 85% of new cars have them now.
There will need to be a website that describes where it is and how to remove or destroy it quickly. After all,, when you are in the a wreck,,, you own the car for hours, or even days after the accident.
Anything you elect to remove before it gets towed is fair game.
We have a 2007 Volvo S80 which does not have a recorder and then our other car is a 1965 Ford Galaxie 500 XL and I’m pretty confident that there’s no recorder on that either.
This what the ones in GM cars now record. Other autos should be similar. I hope this is all the new will ones record.
EDRs record the following data:
Vehicle speed (five seconds before impact)
Engine speed (five seconds before impact)
Brake status (five seconds before impact)
Throttle position (five seconds before impact)
State of driver’s seat belt switch (On/Off)
Passenger’s airbag (On/Off)
IR Warning Lamp status (On/Off)
Time from vehicle impact to airbag deployment
Ignition cycle count at event time
Ignition cycle count at investigation
Maximum velocity for near-deployment event
Velocity vs. time for frontal airbag deployment event
Time from vehicle impact to time of maximum velocity
Time between near-deploy and deploy event (if within five seconds)
two plus two equals five
Will the House really support this? I can’t imagine why they would.
Suck up
Creep of intrusion? Creep?? This amounts to a surrender of our rights. We are no longer a free people, we only think we are free.
It is a very small step to see that data reporting will be REQUIRED by the government. The boxes will grow in capability and we will be forced to download this data to a government collection point.
People with driving infractions will be court-ordered to do this.
Insurance companies (Progressive snapshot-thing) will get laws passed that will require people report to their insurer in order to continue to receive coverage.
Instead of the gas tax we will have to download our driving data on a regular basis to show how many miles we drove and then be taxed based upon miles driven.
Anyone with a restraining order will be required to submit data.
No, we are NOT free people. We are a managed people.
Insurance co's are also pushing this crap. Look at Progresive and that little do dad you plug in your cigarette lighter so they can observe your driving.
It's voluntary now but will become mandatory within a few years by all the carriers.
I predict lots of car buying prior to 2015
The only solution is going to be civil war. They will never, never, never stop until they are made to do so.
I guess we’ll have to start “jail breaking” our cars now.
Surveillance is privacy.
Preventing accidents?? They say it's too soon to tell....BALONEY....
If these are Democrat boxes, why is this going to sail through the Republican House?
Certainly there would be.
The car’s location and speed will most likely be calculated using GPS.
It would be easy to defeat such a device by covering the antenna with aluminum foil.
But you can bet that such tampering will be a felony as defined in the bill.
Removing it after an accident would be tampering with evidence.
A 2007 S80 alm,ost certainly has an event data recorder. It is mentioned in the Owner’s manual. Section 6.
http://new.volvocars.com/ownersdocs/2007/2007_s80/07s80_00.htm
It’s sometimes difficult to tell whether a car has one or not. NHTSA began to talk about mandating them in around 2003, and mfgs began installing them around then. By about 2005, they were becoming common. By about 2010, they were almost universal.
The mandated date was originally in 2010, then changed to 2012, for EDRs.
My 2008 Jeep specifically says it has one in the owner’s manual.
I’d rather pay the price than have big brother tracking me.
I think there may be more electric cars( with gas engine back up)being purchased and disconnect the electrical wires so the ref in the booth thinks you’re still at home waiting for your welfare check.
Or (as in the movie where Sarah Bullock drove a bus all over the city), someone figures a way to loop the data being sent to ‘’HAL’’ and confuses the hell out of it
So, if you lose the owner's manual, you're safe?
Passing this along to Mr. Megan - thank you!
Nobody likes a grammar nazi...
I escaped from high school a while ago, and I’m not going back. :-)
(insert faceplant photo here)
Wait a cotton pickin minute....isn't the house majority, Republican?
Why the Republicans wouldn't advocate policy that strips Americans of their freedoms and liberty would they?
Wait a cotton pickin minute....isn't the house majority, Republican?
Why the Republicans wouldn't advocate policy that strips Americans of their freedoms and liberty would they?
Baucus (D), Inhofe (R) and Vitter (R) were the sponsors of this Bill.
Just some good ole Republicans and a Leftist looking out for you.
My first car was a '64 Galaxie 500 -- I bought it in 1974, then I STUPIDLY traded it in when buying a friggin' '73 Pinto.
One of the worst auto-related decisions of my life.
Just stamp our foreheads and be done with it. Hello, Big Brother!
You forgot your sarcasm tag.
Don’t be fooled. Most Republicans in congress are so called moderates, meaning of course that they are not really against big government.
Big government Republicans will seen no problem with this intrusive and in reality anti-freedom bill.
This bill essentially makes it mandatory for a driver to keep a detailed diary of his travels that can be subpoenaed in the event of an accident (or anything else they want to pin on you).
Not only in theory. I remember reading about a test in the Netherlands a few years back where they would monitor your car's location, and if you were speeding, they would actively slow it down! Guess it didn't catch on, because I haven't heard anything further, but the general implementation is only a bureaucrat's penstroke away.
Remind me again....we all turned out to vote in November, 2010 WHY exactly???
How do you think “Progressive Insurance Company” used their ‘Snapshot’ system in your new car? The car would HAVE to be wired for such a collection of data.
Guilty of what? Driving too far too fast?
“This will be a first step to states taxing us by each mile we drive.”
You got it, that is the real agenda, all other reasoning is just smoke and mirrors.
I suspect the prices of used cars will skyrocket in 2015.
“This ain’t no upwardly mobile freeway....oh no, this is the Road to Hell.”
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