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Data Recording Black Boxes Likely in All Cars by 2015: Senate Passes Bill
autoguide.com ^ | April 20, 2012 | Luke Vandezande

Posted on 04/20/2012 10:59:29 AM PDT by unique1

Black boxes in cars? We’ve reported on it before, but a bill requiring such devices has recently passed the U.S. Senate and is expected to fare the same in the House.

If it goes all the way, cars built after 2015 will all have tattlers to give specific information on a car’s activity. If implemented, the devices are meant to be used by emergency responders during an accident, but the applications are far from limited to those incidents.

Some are worried that installing such devices offer unprecedented invasions of privacy, bordering on big brother level surveillance of everyday citizens. Going to the wrong place, or driving the wrong way could flag you for suspicious activity (in theory).

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TOPICS: Government
KEYWORDS: bigbrother; blackbox; cars; insurance; surviellence
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Constant creep of government intrusion.
1 posted on 04/20/2012 10:59:41 AM PDT by unique1
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To: unique1
The manufacturer of the "black box" paid enough politicians to force consumers to purchase their product, whether they want it or not.

Isn't that special?

2 posted on 04/20/2012 11:01:53 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (For every black person murdered by a white, thirty-nine white people are murdered by blacks.)
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To: unique1
GEORGE ORWELL_ping
3 posted on 04/20/2012 11:02:37 AM PDT by FedsRStealingOurCountryFromUs
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To: unique1

Incompetence on parade...

Is there anything that the government can’t soil more than it already has? No, and it’s doing it’s damnedest to cover everything as soon as it can.


4 posted on 04/20/2012 11:04:43 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Okay, now lets see if the RNC, Rove, and Card can get him elected without their core base. Game on!)
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To: unique1

Long live Big Brother!

(I love Big Brother)


5 posted on 04/20/2012 11:05:23 AM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both)
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To: unique1

This will be a first step to states taxing us by each mile we drive.


6 posted on 04/20/2012 11:05:45 AM PDT by MeganC (No way in Hell am I voting for Mitt Romney. Not now, not ever. Deal with it.)
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To: unique1

Not Black Boxes. Democrat Boxes that will be used not simply to collect accident data, but also destinations and conversations of those who may oppose the Democratic Party.


7 posted on 04/20/2012 11:07:55 AM PDT by Uncle Slayton
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To: MeganC

“This will be a first step to states taxing us by each mile we drive.”

U.N. Agenda 21, here we come.


8 posted on 04/20/2012 11:08:58 AM PDT by cld51860 (Oderint dum metuant)
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To: unique1

Gotta be a way to disable! Leave it up to American ingenuity.


9 posted on 04/20/2012 11:09:10 AM PDT by servantboy777
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To: unique1

Can mandatory video cameras be far behind?


10 posted on 04/20/2012 11:10:41 AM PDT by Maceman (Liberals' only problem with American slavery is that the slaves were privately owned.)
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To: servantboy777

THey will just assume you are guilty if the box is tampered with.


11 posted on 04/20/2012 11:11:29 AM PDT by mamelukesabre (If I had a dog, it would look like the dog 0bama ate)
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To: MeganC

If you have a fairly new car, made in the last 10 years or so, it likely already has an event recorder, which is all they really need to get info on how you were driving.


12 posted on 04/20/2012 11:12:36 AM PDT by ltc8k6
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To: unique1

I have looking at various sites and have not been able to tell if these are passive or active devices. An on-star type device the tells you where you are or just a record of your speed and other driving that can not retrieved remotely. 85% of new cars have them now.


13 posted on 04/20/2012 11:13:33 AM PDT by ThomasThomas ("Well, here's another nice mess you've gotten me into!")
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To: unique1

There will need to be a website that describes where it is and how to remove or destroy it quickly. After all,, when you are in the a wreck,,, you own the car for hours, or even days after the accident.
Anything you elect to remove before it gets towed is fair game.


14 posted on 04/20/2012 11:13:51 AM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for officeoffI)
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To: ltc8k6

We have a 2007 Volvo S80 which does not have a recorder and then our other car is a 1965 Ford Galaxie 500 XL and I’m pretty confident that there’s no recorder on that either.


15 posted on 04/20/2012 11:16:31 AM PDT by MeganC (No way in Hell am I voting for Mitt Romney. Not now, not ever. Deal with it.)
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To: ThomasThomas

This what the ones in GM cars now record. Other autos should be similar. I hope this is all the new will ones record.

EDRs record the following data:

Vehicle speed (five seconds before impact)
Engine speed (five seconds before impact)
Brake status (five seconds before impact)
Throttle position (five seconds before impact)
State of driver’s seat belt switch (On/Off)
Passenger’s airbag (On/Off)
IR Warning Lamp status (On/Off)
Time from vehicle impact to airbag deployment
Ignition cycle count at event time
Ignition cycle count at investigation
Maximum velocity for near-deployment event
Velocity vs. time for frontal airbag deployment event
Time from vehicle impact to time of maximum velocity
Time between near-deploy and deploy event (if within five seconds)


16 posted on 04/20/2012 11:19:26 AM PDT by ThomasThomas ("Well, here's another nice mess you've gotten me into!")
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To: BenLurkin

two plus two equals five


17 posted on 04/20/2012 11:19:45 AM PDT by the_devils_advocate_666
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To: unique1

Will the House really support this? I can’t imagine why they would.


18 posted on 04/20/2012 11:20:35 AM PDT by Pat4ever
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To: BenLurkin

Suck up


19 posted on 04/20/2012 11:22:22 AM PDT by BipolarBob ("Oh no, I'm not sick, well I'm not physically sick anyway. Mentally I'm sick beyond any doctor's abi)
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To: unique1
Constant creep of government intrusion.

Creep of intrusion? Creep?? This amounts to a surrender of our rights. We are no longer a free people, we only think we are free.

It is a very small step to see that data reporting will be REQUIRED by the government. The boxes will grow in capability and we will be forced to download this data to a government collection point.

People with driving infractions will be court-ordered to do this.

Insurance companies (Progressive snapshot-thing) will get laws passed that will require people report to their insurer in order to continue to receive coverage.

Instead of the gas tax we will have to download our driving data on a regular basis to show how many miles we drove and then be taxed based upon miles driven.

Anyone with a restraining order will be required to submit data.

No, we are NOT free people. We are a managed people.

20 posted on 04/20/2012 11:23:16 AM PDT by Obadiah
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To: unique1
Constant creep of government intrusion.

Insurance co's are also pushing this crap. Look at Progresive and that little do dad you plug in your cigarette lighter so they can observe your driving.

It's voluntary now but will become mandatory within a few years by all the carriers.

21 posted on 04/20/2012 11:23:35 AM PDT by trailhkr1 (All you need to know about Zimmerman, innocent = riots, manslaughter = riots, guilty = riots)
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To: unique1

I predict lots of car buying prior to 2015


22 posted on 04/20/2012 11:29:38 AM PDT by RummyChick (It's a Satan Sandwich with Satan Fries on the side - perfect for Obama 666)
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To: unique1
My God, help us!

When does the tyranny end? The endless intrusion on freedom?

The only solution is going to be civil war. They will never, never, never stop until they are made to do so.

23 posted on 04/20/2012 11:32:50 AM PDT by backwoods-engineer (I will vote against ANY presidential candidate who had non-citizen parents.)
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To: unique1

I guess we’ll have to start “jail breaking” our cars now.


24 posted on 04/20/2012 11:33:13 AM PDT by AFreeBird
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To: BipolarBob; the_devils_advocate_666
Slavery is freedom.

Surveillance is privacy.

25 posted on 04/20/2012 11:33:27 AM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both)
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To: Maceman
We now have 40 cameras at road intersections in my hometown. Bringing in money like crazy.

Preventing accidents?? They say it's too soon to tell....BALONEY....

26 posted on 04/20/2012 11:34:38 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: Uncle Slayton
Democrat Boxes that will be used not simply to collect accident data, but also destinations and conversations of those who may oppose the Democratic Party

If these are Democrat boxes, why is this going to sail through the Republican House?

27 posted on 04/20/2012 11:36:48 AM PDT by Jim Noble ("The Germans: At your feet, or at your throat" - Winston Churchill)
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To: servantboy777; mamelukesabre; DesertRhino
Gotta be a way to disable! Leave it up to American ingenuity.

Certainly there would be.

The car’s location and speed will most likely be calculated using GPS.

It would be easy to defeat such a device by covering the antenna with aluminum foil.

But you can bet that such tampering will be a felony as defined in the bill.

Removing it after an accident would be tampering with evidence.

28 posted on 04/20/2012 11:37:21 AM PDT by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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To: MeganC

A 2007 S80 alm,ost certainly has an event data recorder. It is mentioned in the Owner’s manual. Section 6.

http://new.volvocars.com/ownersdocs/2007/2007_s80/07s80_00.htm

It’s sometimes difficult to tell whether a car has one or not. NHTSA began to talk about mandating them in around 2003, and mfgs began installing them around then. By about 2005, they were becoming common. By about 2010, they were almost universal.

The mandated date was originally in 2010, then changed to 2012, for EDRs.

My 2008 Jeep specifically says it has one in the owner’s manual.


29 posted on 04/20/2012 11:38:05 AM PDT by ltc8k6
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To: mamelukesabre

I’d rather pay the price than have big brother tracking me.


30 posted on 04/20/2012 11:38:20 AM PDT by servantboy777
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To: RummyChick

I think there may be more electric cars( with gas engine back up)being purchased and disconnect the electrical wires so the ref in the booth thinks you’re still at home waiting for your welfare check.
Or (as in the movie where Sarah Bullock drove a bus all over the city), someone figures a way to loop the data being sent to ‘’HAL’’ and confuses the hell out of it


31 posted on 04/20/2012 11:40:12 AM PDT by shadeaud ( “Pray for Obama. Psalm 109:8”. Just doing my duty a Christian)
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To: ltc8k6
My 2008 Jeep specifically says it has one in the owner’s manual.

So, if you lose the owner's manual, you're safe?

32 posted on 04/20/2012 11:47:27 AM PDT by zeugma (Those of us who work for a living are outnumbered by those who vote for a living.)
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To: ltc8k6

Passing this along to Mr. Megan - thank you!


33 posted on 04/20/2012 11:50:51 AM PDT by MeganC (No way in Hell am I voting for Mitt Romney. Not now, not ever. Deal with it.)
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To: zeugma

Nobody likes a grammar nazi...

I escaped from high school a while ago, and I’m not going back. :-)


34 posted on 04/20/2012 11:51:23 AM PDT by ltc8k6
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To: unique1
Get your kicks
Out on route 666.
35 posted on 04/20/2012 11:54:11 AM PDT by circlecity
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To: Sacajaweau
Having cameras at intersections is one thing. Can you imagine being forced to have one in your car, like in this clip from a Bait Car episode?
36 posted on 04/20/2012 12:00:48 PM PDT by Maceman (Liberals' only problem with American slavery is that the slaves were privately owned.)
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To: unique1
Yea that will really help the auto industry...

(insert faceplant photo here)

37 posted on 04/20/2012 12:09:03 PM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: Pontiac
I just love when it says...cleared the Senate and is expected to do the same in the house.

Wait a cotton pickin minute....isn't the house majority, Republican?

Why the Republicans wouldn't advocate policy that strips Americans of their freedoms and liberty would they?

38 posted on 04/20/2012 12:21:21 PM PDT by servantboy777
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To: Pontiac
I just love when it says...cleared the Senate and is expected to do the same in the house.

Wait a cotton pickin minute....isn't the house majority, Republican?

Why the Republicans wouldn't advocate policy that strips Americans of their freedoms and liberty would they?

39 posted on 04/20/2012 12:21:30 PM PDT by servantboy777
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Baucus (D), Inhofe (R) and Vitter (R) were the sponsors of this Bill.

Just some good ole Republicans and a Leftist looking out for you.


40 posted on 04/20/2012 12:22:23 PM PDT by BlessingsofLiberty (BOYCOTT NEVADA...!!!!)
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To: MeganC
our other car is a 1965 Ford Galaxie 500 XL

My first car was a '64 Galaxie 500 -- I bought it in 1974, then I STUPIDLY traded it in when buying a friggin' '73 Pinto.

One of the worst auto-related decisions of my life.

41 posted on 04/20/2012 12:24:06 PM PDT by ScottinVA (A single drop of American blood for muslims is one drop too many!)
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To: unique1

Just stamp our foreheads and be done with it. Hello, Big Brother!


42 posted on 04/20/2012 12:39:33 PM PDT by bgill
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To: servantboy777
Why the Republicans wouldn't advocate policy that strips Americans of their freedoms and liberty would they?

You forgot your sarcasm tag.

Don’t be fooled. Most Republicans in congress are so called moderates, meaning of course that they are not really against big government.

Big government Republicans will seen no problem with this intrusive and in reality anti-freedom bill.

This bill essentially makes it mandatory for a driver to keep a detailed diary of his travels that can be subpoenaed in the event of an accident (or anything else they want to pin on you).

43 posted on 04/20/2012 12:55:32 PM PDT by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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To: unique1
Going to the wrong place, or driving the wrong way could flag you for suspicious activity (in theory).

Not only in theory. I remember reading about a test in the Netherlands a few years back where they would monitor your car's location, and if you were speeding, they would actively slow it down! Guess it didn't catch on, because I haven't heard anything further, but the general implementation is only a bureaucrat's penstroke away.

44 posted on 04/20/2012 12:58:36 PM PDT by Moltke (Always retaliate first.)
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To: unique1

Remind me again....we all turned out to vote in November, 2010 WHY exactly???


45 posted on 04/20/2012 1:48:51 PM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: ltc8k6

How do you think “Progressive Insurance Company” used their ‘Snapshot’ system in your new car? The car would HAVE to be wired for such a collection of data.


46 posted on 04/20/2012 2:37:28 PM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: mamelukesabre
THey will just assume you are guilty if the box is tampered with.

Guilty of what? Driving too far too fast?

47 posted on 04/20/2012 2:49:20 PM PDT by hattend (Firearms and ammunition...the only growing industries under the Obama regime.)
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To: MeganC

“This will be a first step to states taxing us by each mile we drive.”

You got it, that is the real agenda, all other reasoning is just smoke and mirrors.


48 posted on 04/20/2012 3:08:43 PM PDT by PoloSec ( Believe the Gospel: how that Christ died for our sins, was buried and rose again)
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To: unique1

I suspect the prices of used cars will skyrocket in 2015.


49 posted on 04/20/2012 3:11:40 PM PDT by dfwgator (Don't wake up in a roadside ditch. Get rid of Romney.)
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To: circlecity

“This ain’t no upwardly mobile freeway....oh no, this is the Road to Hell.”


50 posted on 04/20/2012 3:14:47 PM PDT by dfwgator (Don't wake up in a roadside ditch. Get rid of Romney.)
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