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Americans Should Be Aware of What the Government Is Trying to Do to Our Privacy [Vehicle Black Box]
Fox News ^ | April 19, 2012 | Judge Napolitano

Posted on 04/20/2012 4:35:41 PM PDT by QT3.14

A new controversial measure could potentially impact every American who owns a car. Beginning in 2015, all cars will be required to be fitted with a black box data recorder, known officially as “event data recorders” or EDRs. These black box recorders work much like the ones on airplanes, capturing data related to a crash. In some cases, authorities can tap into a car’s EDR to check vehicle speed, airbag deployments, and pedal application a few seconds before and after impact.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Government
KEYWORDS: blackbox; edr

1 posted on 04/20/2012 4:35:47 PM PDT by QT3.14
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To: QT3.14

Imagine the potential for abuse, including political opponents!


2 posted on 04/20/2012 4:37:16 PM PDT by QT3.14 (Proud European-American Honkey)
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To: QT3.14

Been going on for a while...


3 posted on 04/20/2012 4:39:09 PM PDT by goseminoles
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To: QT3.14

Can’t wait till they come out to install one in my 72 Buick. Good opportunity to laugh like h3ll.


4 posted on 04/20/2012 4:42:13 PM PDT by STYRO (Do not accept unconstitutional government as legitimate government.)
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To: QT3.14

I’d be OK with this if we also got to attach them to all government employees and elected officials so we can know what they are up to at all times.


5 posted on 04/20/2012 4:42:56 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (For every black person murdered by a white, thirty-nine white people are murdered by blacks.)
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To: QT3.14

I wanna black box on my congresscritters “Re-election Fund” bank account....so I can see who’s doin’ the buyin’...and for how much.


6 posted on 04/20/2012 4:48:16 PM PDT by mo (If you understand, no explanation is needed. If you don't understand, no explanation is possible.)
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To: QT3.14

This device will be powered by electricity, will it not?

And that electricity will be supplied by a wire, and the current that passes through that wire will also pass through a fuse, right? Or has the government found a way around that little inconvenience as well?

Will non-replacement of that fuse, if it should happen to blow out, become a federal offense?


7 posted on 04/20/2012 4:50:16 PM PDT by Steely Tom (If the Constitution can be a living document, I guess a corporation can be a person.)
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To: STYRO
I just did a survey on what it would take to get my '69 240Z back on the road. Wouldn't be that much. Body is ok, engine is ok, and it just needs some interior and cosmetic work.

And tires. Oof. That's gonna cost. I had to put the wide rims on it.

I'll never buy another American car until freedom returns.

johnny

8 posted on 04/20/2012 4:53:57 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: QT3.14

The General and other such insurance companies might be getting more business when these boxes mysteriously start breaking.


9 posted on 04/20/2012 4:55:08 PM PDT by bgill
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To: QT3.14
fuggedaboudit.

I was just imagining today what life would be like when your employer tracks how long you spend in the bathroom.

10 posted on 04/20/2012 5:03:10 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (void where prohibited.)
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To: QT3.14

And if law enforcement needs the data off of it, better be prepared to do something akin to a implied consent laws.

Want a license? You have to submit to warrantless search of your EDR.


11 posted on 04/20/2012 5:09:18 PM PDT by Molon Labbie (A Bounty on Zimmerman, Can Be A Bounty On ANYONE. No NBPP Mob Justice!)
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To: QT3.14

This could be good, it is for the airline industry and just the “knowing” that there is record may deter some bad habits and prevent some accidents.


12 posted on 04/20/2012 5:11:04 PM PDT by Gertie
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To: Steely Tom

No. But the car won’t start.


13 posted on 04/20/2012 5:19:10 PM PDT by 2111USMC (Not a hard man to track. Leaves dead men wherever he goes.)
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To: Steely Tom
And that electricity will be supplied by a wire, and the current that passes through that wire will also pass through a fuse, right? Or has the government found a way around that little inconvenience as well?

How's that gonna work if the "black box" is actually integrated into the engine management computer?

14 posted on 04/20/2012 5:33:07 PM PDT by Sergio (An object at rest cannot be stopped! - The Evil Midnight Bomber What Bombs at Midnight)
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To: 2111USMC
No. But the car won’t start.

So the data recorder has to give permission before you can start the car?

It's not a data recorder then. It's a government key to your car. Calling it a "data recorder" is like calling Obamacare's death panels "consideration of medical effectiveness committees." As the brilliant media genius Paul Krugman already has done.

15 posted on 04/20/2012 5:38:30 PM PDT by Steely Tom (If the Constitution can be a living document, I guess a corporation can be a person.)
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To: Sergio
How's that gonna work if the "black box" is actually integrated into the engine management computer?

Wow, you're right. The government has come up with the perfect, unbreakable, unhackable, inescapable system. There's no hope, because the government's full of absolute geniuses who devise foolproof systems every day.

I apologize for being such a dunce.

16 posted on 04/20/2012 5:45:24 PM PDT by Steely Tom (If the Constitution can be a living document, I guess a corporation can be a person.)
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To: Steely Tom
This device will be powered by electricity, will it not?

Not so easy. It will have a chip, and the chip will undoubtedly feed-back to the pooter... so if the blackbox isn't running, the pooter won't let the car start...

Folks need to pick up a pre85 pickup truck and leave it in the back yard... My 78 chevy 1/2T 4x4 mostly just plows snow nowadays, but so long as I can find gas, it will run...

17 posted on 04/20/2012 5:50:52 PM PDT by roamer_1 (Globalism is just socialism in a business suit.)
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To: Gertie

Dear Gertie,

I wonder if you ever thought about it this way -

“Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety
deserve neither liberty nor safety.” ~Benjamin Franklin


18 posted on 04/20/2012 5:55:49 PM PDT by .30Carbine (God bless you with the spirit of wisdom and understanding)
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To: QT3.14

Oh Lord, please save us from the Black Box, Congress and ourselves!

Everyone, please get on your phones right now and call your congressional representative’s office (Washington) make sure you tell your representative that you are sick to death of this latest abridgment of our constitutional rights and FULLY expect him/her to vote NO! This is just more intrusion into our private lives, more conditioning. (House switchboard is 202-224-3121)

I don’t know about you, but, I’m 62 years old and have earned the right to be left to my own devices. I told my representative to vote NO! I’m going to rip the box out of any car I purchased – then you can come get me!

You may want to ask him/her, if he/she votes for this how is he/she any different than Barack Obama?


19 posted on 04/20/2012 6:16:57 PM PDT by cpa4you (CPA4YOU)
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To: cpa4you

That putrid progressive ins. female is already pushing them. Except they’re pretty blue.


20 posted on 04/20/2012 6:31:41 PM PDT by bicyclerepair ( REPLACE D-W-S ! http://www.karenforcongress.com)
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To: the invisib1e hand

Some employers were tracking bathroom time in 1999!

Seriously;tracking via card access readers on the doors.Cameras in all offices,meeting rooms, hallways, foyer,everywhere except the bathroom. Not widely reported since all persons working there agreed to non-disclosure as condition of employment,even vendors!

Irony is hardly the correct word.


21 posted on 04/20/2012 7:12:31 PM PDT by hoosierham (Freedom isn't free)
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22 posted on 04/20/2012 7:21:31 PM PDT by RedMDer (https://support.woundedwarriorproject.org/default.aspx?tsid=93)
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To: hoosierham
you speak the truth.

And they do just what the government tells them.

I'm sure the numbercrunchers have been having a field day with all that data.

23 posted on 04/20/2012 7:22:08 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (void where prohibited.)
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To: QT3.14
the last two new cars i bought had one... not sure about this one since it's a Hyundai
24 posted on 04/20/2012 7:26:03 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: QT3.14

Enjoy your new cars.....suckers!


25 posted on 04/20/2012 7:42:31 PM PDT by Minutemen ("It's a Religion of Peace")
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To: Steely Tom
And that electricity will be supplied by a wire, and the current that passes through that wire will also pass through a fuse, right? Or has the government found a way around that little inconvenience as well?

It's pretty simple. As with manufacturer-installed immobilizers, this part will have to be operational before the ECU will run the engine.

Flash memory is so cheap these days, they could record a second-by-second history of your driving for a while. Think, 16 GB USB flash can be found for $13 on Amazon, so probably $10 or less wholesale as a bare chip embedded component, no problem for a black box.

Let's say they want to record a whole two kilobytes of data for each second the car is on. I think location, speedometer reading, lights status, accelerator status, brake status, and dozens of other parameters could be recorded within that. That's 8 million seconds of operation, or driving your car for about two hours a day, every day, for two years. They could even have a revolving ten minute buffer of audio in the car from the hands-free unit, and of video from the soon-to-be-mandatory reverse camera.

26 posted on 04/20/2012 7:44:11 PM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: QT3.14

Methinks this is the last bastion of travel freedom. I experience such freedom on my mini bike tours (2-3 hrs). Pack up some ice/water/snacks and hit the road. No cell phone, no iPod. Very freeing.

27 posted on 04/20/2012 7:48:07 PM PDT by avenir (I'm pessimistic about man, but I'm optimistic about GOD!)
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To: JRandomFreeper

Way to go Johnny.


28 posted on 04/21/2012 5:34:22 AM PDT by STYRO (Do not accept unconstitutional government as legitimate government.)
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To: hoosierham

I had a boss tracking bathroom time in 1979.


29 posted on 04/21/2012 7:24:30 AM PDT by rstrahan
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To: Steely Tom

First off, I never meant to imply that you did not know what you are talking about. If my post came off that way, my apologies.

Second, it would not be “government geniuses” who would be designing the black box. It would be the bought and paid for engineers from GM and Chrysler who have tons of experience in systems integration. A black box would probably have various redundancies and backups.

Third, think Internet Explorer. There were once legal proceedings to try and get Microsoft to strip out Internet Explorer from the Windows operating system. In response, Microsoft integrated Internet Explorer into the Windows OS in such a way, that stripping out the browser made the OS unusable. The same can be done to the code used in all of the various computers used in a modern car. I.E. The black box may not be an actual physical device, but lines of code.

Can a “black box” be disabled? Absolutely. The question is how much effort and money would be involved to disable the “black box” and still have a functional vehicle. It would seem easier to just fix up an older vehicle. At least in my opinion.

Again, my apologies if my post came off as condescending, that was not my intention. Perhaps thinking through my posts a little more thoroughly is in order.


30 posted on 04/21/2012 10:07:30 PM PDT by Sergio (An object at rest cannot be stopped! - The Evil Midnight Bomber What Bombs at Midnight)
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