Skip to comments.More details about Zimmerman emerge during bond hearing ("Racist" meme just flew out the window)
Posted on 04/20/2012 5:29:41 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
For nearly two months, George Zimmerman has been largely a cipher, a riddle whose voice has been heard only in 911 calls reporting a young man acting "real suspicious."
On Friday, the world learned more about Zimmerman as he, his wife and parents testified during a hearing in Sanford, Florida, to decide whether he would be released on bond while awaiting trial on a second-degree murder charge in the February 26 death of Trayvon Martin.
Zimmerman's wife depicted him as a man she has never seen angry. His father said he was a truthful man who had long been concerned with helping others. And his mother said he had organized a campaign to "get justice" for a homeless man who had been beaten in Sanford, as well as mentoring a 14-year-old African-American boy from a dangerous Orlando neighborhood.
Zimmerman has acknowledged killing Martin during an encounter in his Sanford neighborhood, saying he shot in self-defense. Critics have depicted the Hispanic neighborhood watch volunteer as a racist who profiled Martin because he was African-American.
His family said nothing could be further from the truth.
"I know that he is very protective of people, very protective of homeless people and also of children" -- regardless of their race, Gladys Zimmerman said in testimony meant to prove to Judge Kenneth Lester Jr. that Zimmerman would not be a threat to the community if allowed to leave jail while awaiting trial.
She said he has been a mentoring the 14-year-old for three years even though the program he had joined shut down after only nine months because of the economy.
She said she begged him not to go because of the danger.
"He said, 'Mom, if I don't go, they don't have nobody,'" Gladys Zimmerman said....
(Excerpt) Read more at cnn.com ...
That is good to know.I am sure the WH picked this because of the last name being Zimmerman and they thought they had a white guy.....
“What are you going to do about the witness who says there was a chase?
Link please. That’s the first time I’ve heard that. “
I watched the whole bail hearing today, start to finish. Bet nobody else posting can make that statement, only hurl insults it seems.
I get informed first, spout my opinions later. I don’t care who he is, my tagline is accurate and there was nothing believable in anything he said. Authorities say stay in your car, you stay in your car. Guess thinking like that makes me a liberal.
I was just pointing out some of the many lies that the media told about this.
Another poster seems to be convinced of Zs guilt.
O'MARA: My question was do you have any evidence to contradict or that conflicts with his contention given before he knew any of the evidence that would conflict with the fact that he stated I walked back to my car?
O'MARA: No evidence. Correct?
GILBREATH: Understanding -- are you talking about at that point in time?
O'MARA: Since. Today. Do you have any evidence that conflicts with his suggestion that he had turned around and went back to his car?
GILBREATH: Other than his statement, no.
I just made a donation as well for the same reason.
I checked out the past crimes of Zimmerman on the web - 2 arrests on the same day in July 2006 —one for resisting arrest with violence (hitting a police officer - closed with no action) and one for resisting arrest with no violence (closed with no action). What the heck does that mean? I guarantee you if this was a serious crime of assaulting a cop, it wouldn’t have just been closed. I found this on a website that investigates police brutality and misconduct.
George Michael Zimmermans Criminal Record
Search Menu New Criminal Search Click Here Location : Orange CountyRecord Count:4Search By: Defendant Exact Name: on Party Search Mode: Name Last Name: Zimmerman First Name: George Case Status: All Sort By: Filed Date Case NumberCitation NumberDefendant InfoFiled/Location/Judicial OfficerType/StatusCharge(s)2005-CF-009525-A-O
ZIMMERMAN, GEORGE MICHAEL
OKane, Julie H
CR-RESISTING OFFICER WITH VIOLENCE
BATTERY ON LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER
ZIMMERMAN, GEORGE MICHAEL
Miller, W Michael
CR-RESISTING OFFICER WITHOUT VIOLENCE
ZIMMERMAN, GEORGE MICHAEL
Officer, 98 Hearing
Civil Traffic Infraction
TR- UNLAWFUL SPEED
ZIMMERMAN, GEORGE MICHAEL
Officer, 98 Hearing
Civil Traffic Infraction
TR- CERT OF REGISTRATION POSSESS REQ
No link to back up your claim about the witness either. Just some non-sequitur about watching the bail hearing. I've heard it too.
Wrong! A wannabe gang-banger is dead. George Zimmerman took out the trash, for which we should be thankful.
Trayvon Martin's Twitter handle was NO_LIMIT_NIGGA. His hero, whose mugshot he chose as his Twitter page background, was convicted murderer Corey Miller, aka C-Murder. Trayvon's Twitter handle came from the name of C-Murder's record company, No Limit Records./p>
C-Murder is doing life without parole for murdering a sixteen-year-old at a Louisiana night club in 2002.
I wonder if the poster has heard the prosecution has NO evidence proving Zimmerman confronted Martin? NONE.
Although no one else watched the hearing. /s
Waste of your time addressing that poster.
There is no story to link to saying there is a witness who saw a chase. Bald-faced lie.
I read through the thread quickly, but that poster is so far off base I won’t even waste my time addressing him/her. I would address a poster legitimately looking for answers.
He had more than enough time to get back home once Zimmerman lost sight of them. That is established by the times of the 911 calls.
He didn't get back home because he was angry and Zimmerman and wanted to teach him a lesson.
What are you going to do about the witness who says there was a chase?
What witnesses are those?
The prosecution admits it has no evidence that Zimmerman started the physical altercation. The physical evidence, photos of Zimmerman's head bleeding and a witness say Martin was on top of Zimmerman beating him severely. If you're being beaten was badly as Zimmerman was, you have right to defend yourself, with lethal force if necessary.
What do we know of Barack Obama. He seems to be a legend, a term of intelligence tradecraft denoting an assembled identity.
The New Black Panthers intimidated white voters in 2008. They put a bounty on George Zimmerman. They will intimidate white voters in November.
Trayvon Martin was a drug-using, drug-dealing, burgling, thug, who assaulted George Zimmerman, who was post-mortem portrayed as a victim, a martyr.
Obama's 2006 Kenyan campaign was for the Muslim candidate, and the resultant rioting was violent and murderous.
We may assume that the attorney general and the secretary of Homeland Security and the new martial law powers would be part of a domestic operation.
We are dealing with a practiced Alinskyite, a school which heads for Communist totalitarianism through agitation rather than guerrilla warfare.
Yep, who knew that skittles come in copper jacketed flavor.
Too bad, so sad.
“He didn’t get back home because he was angry and Zimmerman and wanted to teach him a lesson.”
Exactly. Thanks, vomrade. At least one other person, a thoughtful, articulate poster, can dare speak the truth.
Come call me a liar to my face, you coward. You say you “heard” the entire hearing. Funny you didn’t “see” it as well. I did, as well as Vinnie Polatano’s excellent commentary and coverage.
The investigator misspoke. Not a very bright guy with a bad toupee. You are the bs’er here, relying on the conjecture of others instead of carefully listening to the evidence. In a case this high profile, do you honestly think they would overcharge? They’ve got the goods, and as the prosecutor, clearly exasperated today said, Wait for the trial!”
At least wait for the affirmative defense hearing and then have the character to apologize for your baseless insults.
Either way, it's a despicable miscarriage of justice to arrest someone for political ends or to "placate the mobs". If the mobs need "placating" it should be done with rubber bullets, fire hoses, mace, etc. If that doesn't work, due to them being "un-placatable", it might be time to consider real bullets. When you give in to scum like this, you set bad precedents 9over and over again) and it eventually becomes the "norm" to screw a good person to "placate" the mobs.
I post these pictures just so show how ridiculous the race baiters are for trying to turn this Zimmerman/Martin matter into a "white on black" thing.
I have been my neighborhood watch captain for the last five years. In that time I can easily remember at least two dozens calls placed to 911 or my local PD over suspicious activity or at the request of resident in my neighborhood.
Do you think neighborhood watch captains sit at home watching television until something happens, then goes and writes a report on it? Watch members, especially Captains are go-to people for residents to receive help or just pass on information about suspicious people lurking around, newest cookie recipes, and any crimes committed on their property and a whole host of other issues. Instead of having dozens of individual residents calling 911, having a “command center” makes like much easier for all involved.
That Zimmerman only called 46 times, in an area prone to crime, says more about his restraint than the meme the press, and you, and spreading; that he is a wanna-be-cop, loose with his gun.
I also carry, concealed, in Florida (at all times) but especially on nights when my watch groups walks our neighborhood. If I am attacked by a 17 year old black male, punched in the nose so hard I hit the deck and then repeatedly find this young man bashing my head into the sidewalk, should I wait for him to complete his task or draw my weapon to defend myself?
I do not know where you are getting your “facts” of this case but they are so far off base you should be a guest on MSLSD.
Whoa..first you need to chill out fella.
Second..are you referring to Vinnie Politan on HLN?
Actually, it was a smart move because the investigator was ill-prepared for the hearing and testified under oath. It really does not get much better than that. The prosecution cannot change his story later because that could be perjury.
This is not quite right. The defense attorney cannot leave a trial with his strongest defense unstated. This is all pre-trial, and with this testimony on the record under oath O'Mara can now move to dismiss the charges for failure to state a case.
Bless you. I feel the same way.
Visitors to Zimmerman’s defense fund website has now jumped from about 4,000 after his bond hearing to more than 9,000 this morning.
Yes, the Black Panthers and also liberal media lowlifes who refuse to look at the facts.
GOing along with your drug premise is a not mentioned fact that the local CVS was recently busted for selling eight times the amount of Oxycotin that would be prescribed for every man, woman and child in town.....Someone was making big money in the community.
Wikipedia had the information on their website...DOn’t know if it is still there.
“concealed, in Florida (at all times) but especially on nights when my watch groups walks our neighborhood.”
GZ wasn’t walking. How many times have you been in your vehicle, called 911, are ordered to stay in your vehicle, you feign compliance but then get out of the vehicle and confront the “suspect” ?
(BTW, I have followed impaired drivers down the road for as long as it takes CHP to catch up. Sometimes they realize they’re being followed and pull off the road. Under what circumstances would you advise me to exit my vehicle? I never have nor will I ever...Oh wait, I should if I’m really tired of the “a—holes always getting away”)
Funny how no one defends GZ against my tagline, which is exactly what he said when his self serving apology was challenged. You wanna bet that dda knows GZ never apologized while in police custody?
Unfortunately, the CNN transcript went to a break, and only the very last part of the exchange is on the CNN transcript:
“GILBREATH: They — I cannot identify who they were, but it was at the same time frame this occurred.”
I did catch it on tape, and this is my transcription:
O’Mara: Briefly, Your Honor. A couple of questions: You were just asked concerning “continued to follow” that Mr. Zimmerman continued to follow. um What evidence do you have to support that?
Gilbreath: He was told not to follow him. He continued on for a period of time.
O’Mara: How long?
Gilbreath: I don't know. I would say less than a minute before he hung up, um which is prior to the encounter between the two.
O’Mara: Okay, um, Any other evidence besides that there was a phone call that he was on for a minute? Any other evidence? Any other witnesses?
O’Mara: To the fact that he, quote, continued to follow?
Gilbreath: We have a witness statement who observed — that was on the perimeter of this — who observed shadows, or figures, excuse me, running by her residence.
O’Mara: And do you know which way or who they were or anything?
Gilbreath: They — I cannot identify who they were, but it was at the same time frame this occurred.
All I can say is that even a blind pig finds an acorn once in awhile.
Why does Trayvon have gold teeth at such a young age? Were his God-given ones knocked out or was he allowed to eat way too many Skittles? Or is this just a hip-hop, gangsta thang? He’s an adorable cutie-pie, then within a year or two, he’s p#$%*d at the world, flipping us off, flashing some gold in his mouth.
News flash - BHO is half honkey.
An innocent child? 17 and 6’3” is a “child”? And... Doing nothing? So creeping around between buildings peeking into windows isn’t suspicious in your neighborhood?
That coming here next??
You betcha! Obama helped his Muslim cousin Odinga get power, so he knows what to do here. Look for scenes like this in American cities if Obama loses the election:
Say! It coincides with Obama's term as president! Who-da thunk?
Having worked with young adults, IMO he was “acting out” wanting his parents attention. If I fault anyone in this tragedy it's mom and dad for not noticing his “cries for help” Spending time watching the big game together instead of going out and doing whatever his dad did that made it necessary to wait until morning to call police (think alcohol or drugs) would have prevented the incident.
Mom and dad are in denial big time. Their attitude and behavior are typical of dysfunctional families that have some form of substance abuse. When children of Trayvon’s age start noticing they take second place to a substance they often “act out”........Voice of experience talking. My son who had used with his father, chose to put himself in treatment at Trayvon’s age.
Freepers, if you suspect problems in your own family get educated immediately. The child you save may be your own.
But the witness doesn’t know who was chasing whom or if they were even related to this case. Remember there were other people out and about at that time. Witness, John, the young boy walking his dog. ....
WItness is not credible.
>>But the witness doesnt know who was chasing whom or if they were even related to this case. Remember there were other people out and about at that time. Witness, John, the young boy walking his dog. ....
WItness is not credible.<<
Can’t say I disagree with you, but it is a new wrinkle to this case. Perhaps the cops have more than the investigator said. I doubt it, but who knows?
I assume people who persist in promulgating bad information are acting in bad faith. There was no "911" call, no "order to stay in your vehicle," and no evidence to support your contention that Z "confronted" the suspect.
What is your agenda, because it cannot possibly be the Truth?
My daughter is in 8th grade, but said they have discussed the case in civics class. She said the general consensus of her classmates is it is going to be difficult for him to get a fair trial because of all the media hype. They are also concerned about the "bounty" on him and don't understand why nothing is being done about that and why the media is so quiet about it.
It's been very interesting listening to her talking about it and how her peers are reacting. She said one of the boys brought up how it could be used to attack the 2nd amendment - that young black man happens to belong to the same 4-H shooting club as my daughter. She said the teacher asked him to expand on that and it turned from a discussion of the case to Constitutional rights, and then to civil rights and whose may have been violated here. The attitude was "maybe" Martin's, but the "bounty" definitely violates Zimmerman's.
This is a rural area, with a decent sized African American presence, as well as a large number of Hispanics.
Oh, and did I mention, the civics teach is a black woman?
There was rumor of a piece of evidence (possibly visual) that had not been disclosed created between the time Zimmerman hung up with the dispatcher and when he was decked by TM.
Maggie showed a picture of the entrance of the community with camera. Were there other camera’s placed throughout the community?
I haven’t heard anything about a camera. Even if there was one, it might only be for show.
B T T T
True. Camera boxes were install in school buses but in reality there were only two actual cameras that rotated between thirty buses. The threat of use and a couple of kids caught in action were all that was needed to improve ALL bus behavior.
C-Span was supposed to have the same effect.
But the kiddies soon found out that the cameras were only on the Floor, so they let the usual trouble makers do their usual antics for the cameras, while the real shennanigans are going on quietly out of camera shot.
Link please. Thats the first time Ive heard that.
So, where is the link? And where is the insult in asking you for a link? And what does it have to do with watching the hearing which would mean I listened to it.
Are you saying that congress critters are smarter than a first grader? If so, not by much.
hmmm..... where were the black mentors?
the dealers and the players were too busy counting their money to bother. The bangers were too busy killing each other the taggers were too busy defacing property the girls were too busy giving away their services
That's it? That's not much of an acorn. The pig's going to starve to death on that diet.
>>That’s it? That’s not much of an acorn. The pig’s going to starve to death on that diet. <<
Can’t say as I disagree with you, but at least we can be prepared if and when it comes out in the hearing or trial. :-)