Skip to comments.Crowning Romney backfires on Fox News and RNC as Delegates, Voters say NO!
Posted on 04/20/2012 8:01:23 PM PDT by katiedidit1
Voters and Delegates say NOT Romney
This entire not Romney force is building to BUST like a water balloon in the face of Romney, his minions and the RNC on the Greta Poll this week on Greta Wire and pounded it within minutes! People are ANGRY. They are angry at our cowardly media because they cannot address the current King, and you want to force feed another via crowning Romney, and have pushed turnout to record LOWS far below what is was with Stinky McCain in 2008.
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Flightdeck, remember what Newt accomplished under the very liberal Clinton’s term; balanced budget, contract with America; welfare reform and the gop revolution. WE can do it with a republican controlled senate and house. Obama can be blocked.
We would still send the RNC a clear message and take back America via grassroots movement. We don’t need Romney to turn things around..we need control of the senate and house.
RE: Exec orders cannot violate the law, but Congress can pass a new law to make a particular exec order obsolete.
Friend, I couldn't agree with you more.
Yours is an idea that can put the patriotic right back in the position of CAUSE. Lately, too many of us have been feeling like we've become the total effect of what the ruling class has manipulated us into.
This is perhaps one of the best suggestions of an effective way that we can fight back, that I've seen. Heck, we might even win.
Kudos to you.
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Yup! Good one!
Which is why I like the idea of getting just 1% of the patriotic right (3 million people) to the convention in Tampa to chant, "NO Mitt!"
The elites would buckle, and we'd have a chance of getting a real conservative for our nominee.
Sorry, that would be 1.2 million.
The candidates identified as "Conservative" covered all the main threads of thought and all the issues. The Republican Establishment (a small faction better known 50 years ago as "The Presidential Republicans') did coalesce around their latest candidate ~ Mitt Romney.
You'll notice, though, that throughout the election period Mitt usually didn't get much beyond his basic 22% to 30% but there were several Conservatives who did nearly as well, or even better!
The dominant force in the Republican coalition is Conservative, not Establishment, not TEAParty, not former Democrats parading as newly minted Republicans.
You add up the Conservative vote and they have about 65% of the total votes.
Romney and his propagandists may well fool some people into thinking that his minority position is sweeping the Republican rank and file but the vote totals to date prove him to be little more than a fringe candidate with little support.
Party professionals should have noticed by now that when Mitt ran against himself in the screwy Virginia primary 1,000,000 voters disappeared!
That's some serious SH**.
You can't win an election against even Obama if you can't get supporters to show up ~ which, of course, is the point of a primary election season ~ to see if you really have supporters or simply propagandists.
WIth Newt, there is no "there" there.
WIth Each and Every One of the Conservative Candidates, they proved they have supporters in depth ~ and for a lot less cost than the Mitbots!
Conservatives proved they can coalesce, and the transplanted New York City vote in Florida really shouldn't be anyone's guideline in this election.
Newt has supporters in excess, even people who voted for Santorum AND/OR the crazy old geezer ~ good ol' what's his name !~
McCain was a bridge too far. Romney is a plunge into the political abyss.
RNC establishment strategy: Publish no poll numbers; spread the word that Romney is the nominee; have people vote based on blackout and misinformation expecting Romney to win big; then hit hard with Romneys wins and Newts losses to bully Newt into dropping.
Please do yourself the honor of reviewing actual polls by doing a Google search for 2012 Republican presidential polls (name state) and you will see why the RNC is using this tactic. Then spread the word!
Obama with the dem-media complex, millions of dollars, sycophants everywhere in the media, versus Mitt Romney with the entire conservative media capitulated behind him, his millions, and NEWTON LEROY GINGRICH is only 7 points behind Obama in the lastest Rasmussen tracking?
THEY WANT YOU TO THINK IT'S HOPELESS...
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I wish that chart were small enough to fit on one email page without having to slide back and forth. I’d pass it on.
In the first three+ years he has infested every agency and regulatory body with traitors and crackpot operatives, and Congress has been powerless to stop him. He has appointed what--39 czars? without so much as a by-your-leave.. Just look at the EPA and multiply times ten. That is what he has already done. Look at Holder. Look at Sotomayor and Kagan, and double them. And the Senate will NOT refuse to confirm them.
Think hundreds more federal judges with his malignant legal and world views.
In four more years Obama can finish dismantling the American system entirely and there's not a damn thing anyone can or will do about it.
And we got einsteins by the score, heads firmly buried in the sand, who think they just have to elect a few more tea partiers to stymie Obama and all will be well.
Do simple math. And tell me what percentage of remaining delegates Newt needs to win and/or block Romney from 1144.
Coming primaries in liberal states such as NY will make the figures even more difficult for Newt.
I have favored Newt since Cain dropped out. My post has nothing to do with Romney support. He is not worst candidate to go against Obama. My posts have everything to do with dealing the situation as it exists on the ground. I believe in reality as it exists, not wishful dreams.
>> “So who else would be the nominee?” <<
Palin or Gingrich.
Romney hath lain dead for months, wherefore he stinketh!
Geeze BB, we all know you’ve sold out to Romney, and we thouroughly and completely deplore it.
I have no love lost for Romney or his record...sorry we disagree...but we do. If he gets the nomination I will vote for him over the Marxist Obama, and vote and put my efforts into electing people down tocket who can hold Romney’s feet to the fire (and if we elect the right people they most certainly will...if we elect the wrong ones, well, they will not stop Obama either).
I’m fully awake as to what has happened since I first cast a vote in 1974, and what continues to happen...but we are in this sorry state and each of us has to decide how best to approach and attack it.
I pray God’s blessings on us, along with our hard work, because we surely need it now as surely as at any tme in this nation’s history clear back to the revolution and before.
I haven't "sold out" to anyone, editor-surveyor. I have written very critically of Romney in the past, as you may know. He is not my "pick." I have not contributed to his campaign either monetarily or as a volunteer, and have no plan to do so.
On the other hand, I have said that I will vote for anyone who is going up against Obama, and I mean to do that. I vastly would have preferred to vote for Gov. Perry or Senator Santorum. But they have withdrawn. At this point, I don't care if "the last man standing" is Romney, Gingrich, or Ron Paul I'll vote for the GOP candidate. I have repeated ad nauseam that, to me, defeat of Obama is Job One, on the grounds that his continuance in office would further undermine our nation and its institutions.
Four more years of Obama would kill us. To me, anyone is preferable to him.
The difference of opinion I have with so many of my FReeper friends can probably be explained by noting that we aren't even dealing with the same problem.
To me, the problem is getting rid of Obama before he does any more damage to our constitutional republic, to our order of Liberty. To you, the problem is nominating the "right" person.
Whether we like it or not, Romney seems to have built critical momentum; he seems to have "the wind at his back" by now. But of course, I could be mistaken about this. The five primaries next Tuesday will test this hypothesis.
In gloomier mood, I believe that what is likely to happen is that a divided GOP will not unite behind its candidate if that candidate is Romney. And in consequence, Obama will eke out a victory.
The fractious GOP has a bad habit of shooting itself in the foot. One thing you have to credit the political Left in this country for is that, no matter their disagreements, they give lock-step, unified support to their electoral candidates once they are identified. Even the most passionate Hillary supporter back in the 2008 campaign did not hesitate for an instant to transfer their allegiance and support to Obama when it became clear he had secured the nomination. (By hook and by crook, as it turns out. But that's another story.)
And that is the "secret" of their gaining and holding power, even if it means the ruination of our nation.
BB, the post that I replied to was you ragging on another freeper for supporting Newt or Palin, so obviously you are in the tub for the loser masquerading as a Republican.
Most of the GOP base wants “anybody but Romney” to be our candidate, and will willingly support “anybody but Romney.” Its the Romney bunch that are the problem, because they are Luciferians that will not support a non-Luciferian candidate. (the ‘Bush’ cadre)
Is your solution really to jump on board with the Luciferian for the sake of party unity?
I don't rag on people, editor-surveyor!!! As a matter of principle!
I do not know to what posts you are referring. Please help me out here?
The only things I remember saying in recent times about Newt or Sarah was something along the following lines:
I "opined" that Sarah Palin who I deeply admire and totally respect would probably very much dislike living in the "fishbowl" of the Oval Office, on grounds of natural temperament, and the belief that she can accomplish MORE for the conservative cause outside of government than in it. That is simply my "intuition" talking.... It may be wrong or right.
As for Newt: I have tremendous respect and gratitude for the man who sheperded the Contract with America through Congress during the '90s; and who bargained Clinton into finally accepting welfare reform, which the latter was vehemently opposed to and determined to resist. Newt is a brilliant intellect, and has been a highly effective political operator in the past.
The problem that I see with Gingrich (whether it's there in your eyes or not) is that somewhere along the line, some bolt came loose. He wants to be acknowledged as the "smartest guy in the room" everywhere he goes. Indeed, he thinks he is. Evaluating him on grounds of sheer narcissism (these days), it seems to me he's just as bad as Obama. I have reason to suspect that he has become mentally unbalanced in consequence.
Is your solution really to jump on board with the Luciferian for the sake of party unity?I am not preeminently interested in "party unity." What I'm interested in is party success in defeating a criminal mobster and removing him from the White House. I am of course aware that it will take a unified party to do that.
But that is not what we have.
Plus I am quite a bit put off by your association of me with Lucifer. Just because I don't agree with you, does this make me the Devil's spawn???
Oh, pul-eeeeezze.... How totally gratuitous, mindless....
You say "Most of the GOP base wants 'anybody but Romney' to be our candidate, and will willingly support 'anybody but Romney'.
Well, I don't know about the "most of the GOP base," but I certainly know that is the sentiment of a great many of my respected friends around here.
But if what you say is true, dear editor-surveyor, then the GOP WILL go down in defeat, next November.
And then, ask yourself: What happens next? Do you want Obama to pick the next Supreme Court justice, for instance?
In my estimation, there is very little objective chance of there being a viable "anybody but Romney" candidate at this late stage. Romney's fundraising skills and (even more important) his breathtaking organizational skills put any serious challenge to him from within the party in the category of "not likely to happen." But we'll see about that....
Dear editor-surveyor: I am a political realist, not an ideologist.
The Democrat party knows "how to WIN."
The Republicans know "how to brawl" which means they do not WIN. Many would rather be "right" than to "win."
DJ, I am looking at it differently. You are absolutely correct that Romney is a big question mark on how he will deal with the economy. However I already have seen Obama in action as prez. With metaphysical certainty I can prognosticate Obama will increase taxes on the most productive, increase regulations, stifle formation of new businesses, and economy will be worse.
Romney passed Cap & Trade. THAT stifles business.
300% increase in taxes and fees, including on the Blind.
Romney is Obama. They are both liberal progressives.
>> “I do not know to what posts you are referring. Please help me out here?” <<
BB, I replied to your #7, which was to katiedidit1’s #1
You seemed to object to the assertion that the majority would much rather have someone other than Romney.
>> “I am quite a bit put off by your association of me with Lucifer. Just because I don’t agree with you, does this make me the Devil’s spawn???” <<
I made no such association. I asked the pertinent question. The true dividing line in all this is not our rejection of Romney, but his and that of his core support, to a more effective and proper candidate that would please the majority, and have some realistic chance of actually improving our situation, rather than merely reducing our slide toward perdition to a flatter slope.
Unbeknown to most Mormons, apparently, is the fact that mormonism is no more nor less that a slight variant of freemasonry; a continuation of ancient Babylonian Luciferian worship.
Mormonism, like its parent, freemasonry, hides its true nature from the masses of its membership, revealing it only to its trusted core. Romney is a member of that core, and as such is the true enemy of Christian America just as much as his brother in belief, Barack Obama.
His main support base in the party are of similar ilk. They are like him Luciferians at heart, and will not willingly support a Christian, nor a truly observant Jew. That is what truly divides the party, and stiffles our ability to win.
The question that I asked you is do you support joining them just to win a symbolic election for the party, or are you willing to work with us to attempt a real victory for God fearing America while it appears to remain possible?
Entropy, you infer a question WRT to Romney’s motives that in reality does not exist.
If elected, Romney will differ little from his true brother Obama. They share a common goal: delivery of planet Earth to Lucifer, who promises to make them and their progeny gods.
He may do things, as W did, that appear to work in our favor, but in reality he will be continuing the march that brought this nation so far down from its former greatness.
I need to elaborate that statement.
It seems to me that the GOP has the "best" ideas right now. Unfortunately, the GOP has no real strategy, not to mention the tactics necessary to carry out any strategy.
In other words, they may be "right" on the foundational principles of American society; but they have no real strategy for carrying them forward.
On the other hand, we have the Democrat party, which is utterly mindless; It has no good ideas at all.
All of its ideas have repeatedly been tried in human history, and every single time they have shown themselves impoverished in terms of securing individual liberty, prosperity, and well-being.
But such ideas have surely boosted the fortunes of tyrants, anytime they have bee tried.
May it be noted that all these failed "progressivist" schemes presided over incalculable human misery while they prevailed....
They have caused the deaths of millions of human beings just within the last century the bloodiest century known to man in the history of humankind.
Notwithstanding they have no ideas at all that have not already been tried and condemned by history, the Democrat party knows how to win elections. And they don't care by what means it takes to win them.
I imagine they are placing all their bets on the current corrupt moral climate of America these days. They think they can literally "get away with murder" for there's no one around to look after the interests of the victim....
Has America fallen so low????
They know they cannot wield power and influence unless they can get their people into positions of power.
I imagine it is the rare conservative who thinks in terms of "power" and the "influence" it gives one....
The "Other Side" has the worst ideas imaginable; but they definitely know the "logistics" of how to "WIN" elections.
And that's why they "routinely" beat us. And maybe will beat us again, next November.
BB, For some reason that seems to have slipped my mind, I had mistaken you for a serious FReeper.
Editor, I have exchanged at length with Betty, and while we disagree, I do believe that she is not a Romney supporter. I am convinced that she believes that the lesser of 2 evils is the better course of action. I’m not going to get into an extended discussion of the flaws evident in that plan after these many decades of doing that, but I will say that it is a different motive than that of a Romney-bot.
BB has a consistent presence on the religion threads for years as a pro-God, pro-life, pro-gun, pro-small government conservative. That is why I’m convinced she is not a supporter of Mitt Romney. That and her word, of course.
I will attempt over these next few months to convince her that the CP party and its candidate, Virgil Goode, would be a plan for the future to take us out of this never-ending cycle of having to choose the lesser of 2 evils by starting NOW to build a solid conservative party. (A new party begun no is like oil. Drill NOW for the future oil needs the nation will have. Delaying drilling only delays the day of available oil and of oil independence.)
In short, Betty, vote for Goode and not for evil.
Faith, my Sister.
There is no such entity as “Lucifer” in my religion (the oldest religion on earth, Hinduism, dating back 4500 years, with over Billion followers) therefore who ever this Lucifer character is, it is irrelevant and immaterial to me.
Like I said before, I already know how Obama has operated for 3-1/2 years. He was caught on a hot mike telling ex-president of Russia, Medvedev that once elections are over, he will deliver what president Putin wants. We don’t know how Romney will act as president since he never has been one. I am still hoping for a miracle and Newt gets the nod at convention. But if Romney gets it, I will take chance on a question mark over certain demise with Obama.
Is’nt Massachusetts one of the most liberal states in the country? Don’t they have a veto proof majority of democrats in MA legislature? Is it correct that he issued 800 vetoes in MA? Romney is well known for flip-flopping and flexibility, is’nt he? His current stance is radical right wing according to David Axelrod this morning on CNN. May be he will flip to the right as president since that is where the country is. With Obama it is certain death of capitalism. He has already shown us how he operates as president. With flexible Romney I am hoping us conservatives can push him where we want him.
We don’t even know if Romney will be the nominee. Convention is many months away. He could very well trip over some mishap before convention. I am still dreaming of president Newt.
Like a true believer that has been aborted by his party.
If it was your intent to motivate me to vote third party by insulting her, it backfired for when you insult her, you insult me.
I'm so sorry to upset my friends. But I'm only calling it as I see it.
Thank you ever so much, dearest sister in Christ, for your kindly words of support.
—Its almost as if some people here dont realize four more years of Obama means the end of America.—
I do. I also think four years of Romney will be the end of Ameriaca - and the republican party.
But the problem there, dear brother in Christ, is that if I vote for Goode, I'm surely going to get evil out of it.
History shows that third-party candidates never win presidential elections. All they do is siphon votes away from the major party nominees.
Case in point: Ross Perot. He received 19 percent of the popular vote in 1992 but not one single electoral vote. As a consequence of his participation in that election, Bill Clinton was elected president with less than half the popular vote, defeating a sitting president in the process.
A third-party effort at this stage has a snowball's chance in hell of success.... It will only divide the Republican base. You don't win elections that way.
But I do have to acknowledge that Virgil Goode is my kind of guy TEA Party down to the ground. Still and all, I believe that to vote for a third-party candidate is to throw my vote away.
Again: Job One is to remove the criminal enterprise from the White House. I'm focusing on that. Nothing is more important to me right now.
Thank you for sharing your thoughts dear brother.
—So what is a good solution?—
My solution was to move from my home of 45 years, Seattle, to a small farm in central KY.
I’ll be finishing the chicken coup tonight. 14 layers will keep us in cholesterol for the foreseeable future. A 1/4 acre garden will do its part.
Nonetheless, dear sister in Christ, I’m gonna keep working on you. :>)
AG, what ‘remark’ are you talking about?
I have reviewed my two post to her and can find only the question that I asked, and for which I still await an answer.
Xzins, I fully agree with your assessment of BB’s position, and feel that she made it adequately clear.
My approach was not to demand that she vote in any particular way, but to ask if she understood the consequences of voting for a committed Luciferian candidate (we all here in this discussion have done that at least once before).
She has answered me with what I found to be a dismissive, sarcastic, and frivolous reply, which I found inappropriate considering her initial post to the thread.
I just think that we need to fully address the consequences of each alternative. I do not believe that electing Romney will in any way block Obama’s agenda, since it is so similar to his own.
You catch more flies with honey than vinegar, ES.
Our objective is to BUILD a new conservative coalition. The republican party is liberal, and Romney’s nomination means it will be staffed with liberals for decades.
We drill NOW for oil later. The longer we wait to drill, the longer we put off the appearance of more oil in the marketplace.
What is so easy to see about that with oil, but so hard to see about a conservative party?
>> “There is no such entity as Lucifer in my religion” <<
I believe that in hinduism, Lakshmi takes the place of Lucifer/Satan. Use any name you prefer.
My point is that any candidate that follows any but the one God YHWH, creator of all things, is leading us to certain destruction.
The faith in YHWH is the beginning of all faith, beginning on day 6 of the year 1, about 6000 years ago.
Ah, but vinegar cleanses and invigorates! :o)
Well E-S, you may have "found" it that way; but it certainly wasn't intended that way.
I do not "dismiss" you. I do not have a sarcastic bone in my body. And in what way was my reply "frivolous?"
I absolutely do not see in what way Romney's "agenda" is "similar" to Obama's. Frankly, demonizing him as "the committed Luciferian candidate" strikes me as 'way over the top.... Maybe it's even a red herring.
But maybe you can clue me in on all this. I'm willing to listen. Just see if you can do it without laying charges of freemasonry and Luciferian intent on his doorstep. That is only a conjecture at best although clearly, it is a very passionately held one.
But that doesn't necessarily make it objectively true....
I'm just trying to be objective in analyzing our electoral prospects; and in the matter of third-party candidates, I'm just letting history be my guide.
I'm all for building a "new conservative coalition"; but you do not build one overnight or in seven months. Perhaps the best way to build one is to reform the GOP from within (it certainly needs it!), rather than trying to build a conservative alternative from scratch....
Oh, and the kind of "liberals" that Romney would likely staff his administration with (assuming he's the GOP nominee and wins, of course, and that's far from assured) would likely include names such as, for example, Rob Portman, John Bolton, Mitch Daniels, et al. Real left-wingers, there who have all endorsed Romney.
I dunno, dear brother in Christ. It seems to me you guys have created quite a bogeyman for yourselves.... But then again, what do I know? You may be right about Romney.
But somehow, I doubt it.
It pains me that we are at odds over this, dear brother in Christ. Yet reasonable people can disagree, (hopefully) without being "disagreeable." I respect your right to form your own thinking on any question. Ultimately, what this all boils down to is a person's act of conscience; and we are all accountable to God for such acts.
>> “But that doesn’t necessarily make it objectively true” <<
Eyes wide shut!
Reality doesn’t go away just because you wish not to see it.
The forces that control this country (and the world) are at this point well understood to those that are willing to see, and a blank to the rest. They even confess in writing in their literature, yet some refuse to read.
You cannot take that position, and still lay claim to being any part of the solution.
I was for Sarah, for Cain, for Santorum, and now Newt, even with his numerous warts (so to speak). I hope he is able to pull off a brokered convention.
But if he cannot, I will not do anything that will enable, help, abett, or assist the abject marxist, Barack Hussein Obama, get into a second term, either by my action or inaction. He is, IMHO, a much more real and present danger to these United States than anyone else running...and I have explained this here on FR and on my own site
As you say, it is an act of conscience for all loyal Americans, and I will not desparage or naysay anyone who loves this country and its constitution and who acts in this regard out of those convictions, even if they are not what I personally intend.
Obama is...the man who despises America
I strongly agree, dear Jeff.
I think the problem we are having here is, we cannot agree on solutions if we cannot agree about what the "problem" IS.
To some of my correspondents here, the problem is ROMNEY. But to me, the problem is OBAMA.
And yet, I totally agree with you here: "...I will not desparage or naysay anyone who loves this country and its constitution and who acts in this regard out of those convictions, even if they are not what I personally intend."
I think Newt is dreaming, if he thinks he's going to win the nomination at a "brokered" convention. My best guess is Romney will have the 1240 (or whatever the number is) electoral votes in hand before the convention is even held.
Tomorrow's five primaries should give us some insight into his "momentum." As I mentioned before, like it or hate it, it appears the man has "the wind at his back" at this point, and may have reached critical momentum going forward from here.
Thank you so very much for the links to your perspicacious, well-reasoned articles! I read Why I will Support Romney if he is the GOP Nominee last week on Facebook and agree with your fine analysis of the situation.
I might not be one of the aforementioned correspondents, Betty, because to me the problem is Romney AND Obama. It isn't either/or, it's both.
>> “ because to me the problem is Romney AND Obama. It isn’t either/or, it’s both.” <<
Romney = Obama minus the class envy and institutionalized racism.
Everything else is the same.