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New Law To Require 'Black Boxes' In All Cars
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Posted on 04/21/2012 8:21:41 AM PDT by Sub-Driver

New Law To Require 'Black Boxes' In All Cars

New Law Mandates Black Boxes In All Cars By 2015

By Bailey Johnson

A recently passed bill will require all cars to come equipped with "black boxes" that record vehicle data. These Event Data Recorders (EDR), similar to their airplane counterparts, will record data such as speed, brake force and electrical systems monitoring. The days of a car crash being one driver's word against another look to be history.

Senate Bill 1813 (known as Map-21) mandates that automakers install EDRs in all new vehicles starting in 2015.

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TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bigbrother; blackbox; blackboxes; cars
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To: desertfreedom765
Our company has a new wellness plan, they take your biometrics (blood tests) and you have to fill out an online health assessment or pay 20% more for your health insurance. You also have to agree to participate in the programs that they deem necessary. (i.e. weight loss, smoking cessation, etc).

So does my company too, we have to put up wit the same "bullshirt" too. If you don't, they take $10 out of your pay. I might go shopping for health insurance on my own this summer.
51 posted on 04/21/2012 9:49:36 AM PDT by Nowhere Man (General James Mattoon Scott, where are you when we need you? We need a regime change.)
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To: Sub-Driver
BFD. People who can't stand to not carry their cellphone everywhere worrying about having their vehicle tracked has to be some kind of satire attempt.
52 posted on 04/21/2012 9:51:07 AM PDT by Rashputin (Only Newt can defeat both the Fascist democrats and the Vichy GOP)
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To: Neidermeyer

They won’t need to connect anything. It’ll be wireless. They only need to be in proximity.


53 posted on 04/21/2012 9:52:15 AM PDT by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal The 16th Amendment!)
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To: Neidermeyer

There will be an opportunity to make money for someone who comes up with a way to neutralize these boxes without affecting the car’s operation. I sure don’t want the government to have access to all this data, or someone else who snoops for some nefarious purpose.


54 posted on 04/21/2012 9:54:51 AM PDT by Laserman
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To: Sub-Driver

We all need to be contacting our US reps to tell them we want them to vote no on this bill. Otherwise its going to pass.


55 posted on 04/21/2012 9:57:03 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: jtal

>In fact I wonder how much of the electrical system could be eliminated - manual start, manual transmission, no radio, no AC.

Even more if you went with a Diesel-engine instead of mogas; Diesels are compression-ignition, meaning they don’t need spark-plugs.


56 posted on 04/21/2012 9:59:28 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Neidermeyer
Most newer cars already do this ,, simply buffers the data in the drivetrain and ABS computers ... the cost is minimal as memory (and that’s all we’re really talking about is a slightly larger non-volatile memory chip) is cheap..

Yes, any vehicle with an OBD-II data port has this capability. From around 1996 on, the capability of law enforcement and/or your insurer to obtain data from your vehicle is mentioned in the operator's manual.

57 posted on 04/21/2012 10:03:04 AM PDT by Charles Martel (Endeavor to persevere...)
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To: matthew fuller

Remember how Toyota technicians figured what James Sikes did to his Toyota Prius? It was a black box.... Next mandate may be add transponder (RFID) on every cars...


58 posted on 04/21/2012 10:04:40 AM PDT by hamboy
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To: Logical me

Wait untl the government starts charging everyone per flush.


59 posted on 04/21/2012 10:33:07 AM PDT by XenaLee (The only good commie is a dead commie.)
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To: HereInTheHeartland

Yes, all new cars. I don’t have to go buy something and install it in the car I already own, which is what “all cars” would mean.


60 posted on 04/21/2012 10:34:52 AM PDT by jiggyboy (Ten percent of poll respondents are either lying or insane)
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To: Neidermeyer

Awesome...1676 pages. The better to hide everything that’s coming, my dear.


61 posted on 04/21/2012 11:09:25 AM PDT by mykroar (A vote for Romney IS a vote for Obama.)
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To: hamboy
And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

-Rev 13:16-17

62 posted on 04/21/2012 11:11:53 AM PDT by mykroar (A vote for Romney IS a vote for Obama.)
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To: Rashputin

>BFD. People who can’t stand to not carry their cellphone everywhere worrying about having their vehicle tracked has to be some kind of satire attempt.

Forgetting my phone at home is only a minor inconvenience; I can’t really empathize with the “can’t live without it” mentality.


63 posted on 04/21/2012 11:20:07 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Sub-Driver

The next step is to have it plugged in and it report every time you exceeded the speed limit.


64 posted on 04/21/2012 11:26:48 AM PDT by depressed in 06 (6 November, 2012, the day our embarrassment is sent back to Kenya.)
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To: mykroar

Hey Hey Hey ,,(P1077) we get seat belt warning buzzers for the REAR seat now ,, better belt in that gallon of milk or you’ll hear the buzzer.. and better yet ,, if you leave anything in the back seat (briefcase) ,, you get some kind of a warning if it’s unattended after the vehicle is turned off ... I guess ALL “stuff” will have to be on the floor to avoid the sensors. (P1063) redundant circuits for electronically controlled throttle ... so now we have 2 signals sources ,,, twice the chance of one fritzing out and leaving you stranded.

and MUCH MUCH MORE ... just started looking at this ...


65 posted on 04/21/2012 11:40:27 AM PDT by Neidermeyer
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To: Sub-Driver

Union built - of course!


66 posted on 04/21/2012 11:53:12 AM PDT by jmaroneps37 (Conservatism is truth. Liberalism is lies.)
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To: jiggyboy

So the question is; how much will someone charge to rip these things out?


67 posted on 04/21/2012 12:05:40 PM PDT by HereInTheHeartland (We are the 53%. 47% of Americans pay no taxes; end the free ride...)
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To: HereInTheHeartland

It’s going to be just a couple of more lines of software in the already-existing computers. Any talk of a hammer or soldering iron being the means to “fix” that is simply foolishness.


68 posted on 04/21/2012 12:28:55 PM PDT by jiggyboy (Ten percent of poll respondents are either lying or insane)
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To: Sub-Driver

I’m going to risk the flaming and say that I would agree to a data recorder that records just that: data, with no voice, as is necessary, I believe, in aircraft.

I think that the knowledge of just knowing it is there could and would save lives, and would render significant aid in determining laiability in accidents. (Have you ever been in one where this was an issue?)

The cost would admittedly be passed to the consumer. But so are rear view mirrors. But that added cost would be small to pay for the saving of several thousand lives lost per year that this technology otherwise would have saved.

Okay, I guess I’m ready. Have at me.


69 posted on 04/21/2012 12:38:53 PM PDT by onedoug
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To: jiggyboy

” Any talk of a hammer “

Hammers are good. It’s getting time for time hammers!


70 posted on 04/21/2012 12:41:54 PM PDT by HereInTheHeartland (We are the 53%. 47% of Americans pay no taxes; end the free ride...)
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To: freebilly

Old Datsun’s and http://www.dynacornclassicbodies.com/classic2.html

Build to your won spec.


71 posted on 04/21/2012 2:28:11 PM PDT by Puckster
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To: samtheman

For older cars....find a shell of the black-box with a on-freq jammer, install it under the hood and drive the back roads.

If they have portable rf detection units, on the back roads, and you’re stopped, sorry occifer, the thing must have gone bad.


72 posted on 04/21/2012 2:33:33 PM PDT by Puckster
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To: Puckster

Good idea. But at the same time, let’s also try to elect all socialists out of office.


73 posted on 04/21/2012 2:37:41 PM PDT by samtheman
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To: samtheman
I'm going to try and do both simultaneously.
74 posted on 04/21/2012 2:42:11 PM PDT by Puckster
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To: jiggyboy

“The MSM can’t get even the smallest details correct. It’s not “all cars”, it’s starting in 2015 for new cars.”

Also, from what I gather, this bill has passed the Senate, but not the House. Nevertheless, the automakers are still going to implement OBD III in the not too distant future which will allow remote monitoring and the ability to shut off your engine if authorities request it. As for the data collection, they are already doing it. The issue now is do you, as the owner of the vehicle “own” the data, or can the courts require you to “incriminate yourself” by involuntarily “providing” your car’s data in the case of an accident.


75 posted on 04/21/2012 6:02:27 PM PDT by vette6387
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To: depressed in 06

“The next step is to have it plugged in and it report every time you exceeded the speed limit.”

We had a track day at Laguna Seca Raceway and one of the participants had rented a Corvette from Hertz. Just wonder what Hertz said about the data they got from the “reporting GPS.” Hours of going around a prescribed 2.3 mile closed course at speeds substantially above the state speed limit!! OOPSY!


76 posted on 04/21/2012 6:08:28 PM PDT by vette6387
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To: Sub-Driver

The real reasons will be many people are thinking ahead and will be using home brewed fuels or at home fueling of natural gas and will be skipping on paying road taxes, so the Feds need a way to track your mileage for taxation.

My next vehicle will be a dual fuel with natural gas and I will have an at home compressor for it.

But if I had a black box, and since I am a master mechanic I would just find a way to shroud it with a Faraday cage, eliminate any possible way it could transmit info, even if I have to install a specific frequency jammer.


77 posted on 04/21/2012 6:16:11 PM PDT by Eye of Unk (Liberals need not reply.)
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To: freebilly
Stock up on ammo..., and old Datsuns....

I have Datsuns. One time me and a few friends had a caravan of our 1960's era Datsun 2-seater roadsters coming back from a car show in San Diego back to San Francisco. My friend was quite proud of his roadster, which he races in vintage races at the track (we have 150hp engines on 2000 pound cars). He challenged me to a race on Hwy 101 in the California central valley. We accelerated up through all 5 gears until we were doing about 125 mph and then backed off to 90. (I handily beat him in all gears.) Another friend was closely following at 90. We all had CB radios and heard our friend say "oh crap!".

On our tail was a hwy patrol cruiser. As he pulled alongside we slowed to 70, but knew it was too late. He nodded his head to us, then jumped ahead and pulled over a regular sedan! Cool!

A black box in cars is going to take the fun out of driving.

78 posted on 04/21/2012 9:06:11 PM PDT by roadcat
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To: roadcat

I’ve got a ‘71 240z that I’ve given over to my son. That’s his driving to school car. May have to take it back....


79 posted on 04/22/2012 7:16:05 AM PDT by freebilly
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To: Sub-Driver; QT3.14

Back in April both you posted an article on FR about the infamous Black Box. I just received my annual auto insurance renewal from State Farm for my 2004 vehicle which is due in January 2013.

My premium went up a chunk, even though I increased my deductible and have had no accidents for a long time. There is a note on the front that I can qualify for a substantial discount if I install On Star on my car. Even though I have drive only 78,000 miles in 8 years, it is nobody’s business how many I drive or how I drive. To make matters worse, my State Farm agent won his election as my Republican Texas State Representative this last November.

It has begun and he will be hearing from me tomorrow.


80 posted on 12/16/2012 7:18:31 PM PST by Grams A (The Sun will rise in the East in the morning and God is still on his throne.)
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