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Hatch didn't make it he has to run in Primary!!!!
Fox News | 4/21/2012 | taildragger

Posted on 04/21/2012 12:33:46 PM PDT by taildragger

Folks, just heard, Hatch in a run off ! Liljenquist and Tea Partiers did it !!!


TOPICS: Breaking News; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: hatch; liljenquist; rino; utah; vanity
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To: Political Junkie Too
Let's stop being blind ga-ga over the Tea Party.

The quiet little secret is that the Tea Party cost us control of the Senate in 2010.

If we had not had that buffoon not-a-witch woman in Delaware and Angle in Nevada, we would have won with more mainstream candidates. That is reality.

Don't get me wrong; I love much about the Tea Party. Unfortunately, that forgot three very basic rules of elections:

1: Nothing really matters except the General Election. Winners of that govern us, losers go home.

2: Always nominate the candidate the candidate closest to your beliefs who CAN win the General. We had two much stronger candidates in ‘10 Nevada and Delaware Senate races, but we went with ultra-conservative losers.

3: Untra-conservative losers, are just that; losers.

251 posted on 04/22/2012 4:27:33 PM PDT by MindBender26 (New Army SF and Ranger Slogan: Vengeance is Mine, sayeth the Lord.... but He subcontracts!)
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To: SaraJohnson

These ratings have been meaningless for at least thirty years, like so many things in liberal America, rigged. People like Lugar, Hatch, and many others know how to rig the ratings. But do IN and UT people know that?


252 posted on 04/22/2012 4:46:38 PM PDT by Theodore R. (Past is prologue: The American people again let us down in this election cycle.)
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To: dandiegirl
They are all part of the problems we now have in this country.

Yes, but, the American liberal people believe those old guys can still bring them some federal programs.

253 posted on 04/22/2012 4:49:02 PM PDT by Theodore R. (Past is prologue: The American people again let us down in this election cycle.)
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To: MindBender26
That's a tough one.

I don't put Castle in the same category as Hatch, but a GOP Delaware win is like Scott Brown winning in Massachusetts, a freak confluence of events not likely to happen again. What good would a Castle win have been if he votes like the Maine sisters, or the former Lincoln Chafee in Rhode Island? If Utah replaces Hatch in the Senate, I don't think it will be with a Democrat.

I do think that Angle had a shot, but it was an uphill battle against the Reid/SEIU/MSM machine in Nevada.

But I don't think the GOP had a chance to retake the Senate. I was watching those races closely, and posting my probabilistic analysis of the Rasmussen polls each week. Everything would have to have broken their way to win the Senate. I haven't started looking at the 2012 polls yet, but this should be a better year for Republicans.

The GOP needs a strong down-ticket strategy for this to happen. If Romney turns off the conservative base, you can kiss the Senate good-bye, too, if conservatives don't turn out to vote.

-PJ

254 posted on 04/22/2012 5:10:23 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (If you can vote for President, then your children can run for President.)
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To: rawhide

but they’ll be the best six years and the most critical six years of all,” he said.

this is Rino Blackmail.

hatch lost his way...cutting deals will get you Fired...

dont let the door hit you in the A$$ Orin.


255 posted on 04/22/2012 5:35:10 PM PDT by LtKerst
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To: LtKerst

Awesome! I heard him being interviewed and he was angry that the freshman Reps didn’t understand how business is done in Washington. Very arrogant.


256 posted on 04/22/2012 8:06:27 PM PDT by MNDude
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To: rawhide

It is presumptuous for a man his age to make such promises. He would be older than the pope is when he took office, and the Holy Father is now beginning to feel the physical effects of great age. Just look at the tables: his changes of living out his term are less than he thinks. And looks are no guarantee. Cary Grant looked fine when he made his last speaking tour, he had been a fine athlete, and suddenly a stroke took him out. As someone near his age, I would vote for the other guy as an act of common sense. Hatch is like a care with 250,000 miles on it.


257 posted on 04/23/2012 8:11:18 AM PDT by RobbyS (Christus rex.)
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To: taildragger

Any Tea Party person who knows his stuff knows it will take awhile to work up the political ladder. Romney had a huge head start on the nomination. But the old men need to be put away; they are a danger to the country, as Henry Ford was to his company in his old age.


258 posted on 04/23/2012 8:20:58 AM PDT by RobbyS (Christus rex.)
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To: Jeff Head
We believe, based on the scriptures, that one substance interpretation dilutes and changes the nature of our Father and His Son and makes them and their purposes harder to understand...but that is ou interpretation.

Sounds logical; but the foundation upon which MORMONism stands is that the 'scriptures' (the KJV of the Bible) was not sufficient (refer to Articles of Faith #8).

Are you talking here about any ADDITIONAL 'scripture' that the LDS church has canonized to base your conclusion? (Refer to D&C's, PGP, various utterings of MORMON past leaders)

If so; please refer to them.


History has proven to us that Joseph Smith was 'directed by GOD' to revise, edit and correct the KJV of the bible; giving us the JST.

Yet, the SLC group of MORMONs do NOT consider it to be 'scripture'.

When we get all of THIS straightened out; perhaps the playing field will be a bit more level.

259 posted on 04/23/2012 9:32:21 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Hostage
Indeed she does look good and serious.

And yet; is deceived by the claims of MORMONism.


Watch this video on www.youtube.com
…and I'm a MormonWife, mother, and Mayor. My name
is Mia Love, and I'm a Mormon.
YouTube.com/Mormon
Oh oh!
260 posted on 04/23/2012 9:35:32 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: MindBender26
If we had not had that buffoon not-a-witch woman in Delaware and Angle in Nevada, we would have won with more mainstream candidates. That is reality.

You want BUFFOON?



261 posted on 04/23/2012 9:39:17 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: rawhide

Hatch has already been there for 6 terms==36 years.

he doesn’t need a 7th term, putting him up to 42 years.

He is already a Rino. we don’t need more of them.


262 posted on 04/23/2012 9:48:45 AM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: newzjunkey

“GOOD JUDGES”?????

Hatch voted to confirm Kagan!!!

For that reason alone, I would never vote for him.


263 posted on 04/23/2012 9:50:43 AM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: Elsie

My goal is not to make, force or coerce others to believe what I believe. I believe in Christ and the Resurrection. I am cnot certain such belief can come about in any way other than God will that a person believe in it.

Therefore, for my time in this world, I commit to the principles that gave birth to the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution. I believe this commitment is best expressed in upholding and exemplifying conservative values and respecting all personal freedoms as included in the original Bill of Rights. And I believe these principles were founded by persons with a strong faith in Christ.

All other creeds are allowed to be expressed in our United States. I only insist that any creed respect the spirit and intent of our founding ideals and the best way in my view that this respect is displayed is by embracing conservative philosophy.


264 posted on 04/23/2012 11:04:04 AM PDT by Hostage (Be Breitbart!)
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To: Hostage
All other creeds are allowed to be expressed in our United States.

Yup; this IS a wonderful country; where even I can point out heresies that pop up!

265 posted on 04/23/2012 11:56:54 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: MHGinTN

While I appreciate your unsolicited reach, your grasp of the history is incorrect. If Clinton had been impeached and convicted Al Gore would have been President.

I’d never heard another Christian mention Melchizedek until the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints came along. I’m glad to see he’s getting the attention he deserves.

If the CP gets that vote total it’ll be simply responsible for re-electing the worst President in our nation’s history. A horror for generations to come. Better to just skip the Presidential Election and focus on voting in the most conservative GOP candidates possible.

We really need help in getting qualified, electable conservatives to run. I’d even consider supporting some Blue Dogs here in Illinois if I knew where to find some.


266 posted on 04/23/2012 6:02:08 PM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: lonevoice

Agreed. I was hoping to get some on-the-ground insight into Dan Liljenquist, instead the spillway from the RF opened and sluiced this thread to mud.


267 posted on 04/23/2012 6:14:28 PM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: darrellmaurina
What the heck you trying to do!!??

Inject your prudent, wise, realistic crap elsewhere.................

268 posted on 04/23/2012 6:56:00 PM PDT by Osage Orange (The MSM is the most dangerous entity in the United States of America.)
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To: 1010RD
Liljenquist

Is it Dutch? Jewish? Austrian? Just the name sounds unelectable among the uninformed. I'm afraid people in UT don't even know their orrin has opposition.

269 posted on 04/24/2012 6:06:29 AM PDT by Theodore R. (Past is prologue: The American people again let us down in this election cycle.)
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To: Osage Orange
268 posted on Mon Apr 23 2012 20:56:00 GMT-0500 (Central Daylight Time) by Osage Orange: “What the heck you trying to do!!?? Inject your prudent, wise, realistic crap elsewhere.................”

I honestly don't understand your intent. Would you like to clarify?

I went back to my original post which had to do with replacing Sen. Hatch with a more conservative Mormon. Seems like a wise, prudent, and realistic thing to do out there. Since the Republican nominee is almost certainly going to win Utah, let's get the most conservative candidate possible, and in Utah that's probably going to be a Mormon.

To avoid any possible misunderstandings, I am absolutely opposed to Mitt Romney, not so much because of his religion (which I believe is a cult) but because of his liberalism and flip-flopping. His long history of support for abortion and more recent support for homosexual marriage make him unacceptable. At best he's a flip-flopper. At worst he's a lying liberal. In either case he can't be trusted to appoint Supreme Court justices.

I frankly don't know what I'm going to do this November if Romney is the nominee. My only hope left at this point is that Newt Gingrich shocks everyone with much better than expected showings in today's races as the last conservative left standing, and that his campaign takes off in the remaining states. If that doesn't happen we're going to have two horrible choices in November, and I'm not at all sure I can bring myself to vote for Romney even if the alternative is Obama.

270 posted on 04/24/2012 10:46:03 AM PDT by darrellmaurina
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To: darrellmaurina

It was sarcasm


271 posted on 04/24/2012 10:50:35 AM PDT by Osage Orange (The MSM is the most dangerous entity in the United States of America.)
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To: Osage Orange

OK... thanks!

I thought I’d better ask, just in case. I was occasionally accused of being a Romney supporter last year for reasons I never did understand. Free Republic woke me up several years ago to just how bad Mitt Romney’s views really are, and I greatly appreciate that.


272 posted on 04/24/2012 11:02:26 AM PDT by darrellmaurina
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