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Romney wins 12 of 24 Missouri delegates chosen Saturday
STL Today ^ | April 21, 2012 | Mark Schlinkmann

Posted on 04/22/2012 3:45:29 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife

Mitt Romney, the presumptive Republican presidential nominee, won half of the contingent of national convention delegates chosen Saturday in Missouri's complicated selection process.

The former Massachusetts governor picked up 12 delegates, while seven went to former Sen. Rick Santorum of Pennsylvania even though he withdrew from the race last week.

Trailing were U.S. Rep. Ron Paul of Texas with four and former House Speaker Newt Gingrich of Georgia with one.

The 24 delegates were picked at conventions in each of the state's eight U.S. House districts; those voting were selected at local caucuses earlier. Most of the remainder of Missouri's 52-person delegation to the national convention in Tampa will be chosen at the GOP State Convention in June.

Santorum had won the nonbinding Missouri presidential primary in February when he was still a candidate.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Extended News; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: conservatism; delegates; gopconvention; gopprimary
Newt Gingrich is seeking pledge delegates and unpledged delegates - that haven't committed in primaries - including upcoming PA (72), and already completed MT (26) and IL (69) delegates, since these delegates remain unpledged regardless of primary vote.

AND though there are going to be some “winner take all” primaries, the following contests are also on the schedule:

RI (16) proportional
NY (92) proportional
WVA (28) proportional -- elect delegates (who list their presidential pick on ballot)
NC (52) proportional
OR (25) proportional
AK (33) proportional
KY (42) proportional
TX (155) proportional
CA (169) proportional (by district)
NM (20) proportional
SD (25) proportional

The Green Papers

There there are the Contested delegates: …. “delegates have to be "uncontested" in order to count. The frontrunner's rivals argue some of the states that awarded Romney all of their delegates violated Republican National Committee rules when they moved their contests ahead of April 1 and therefore should distribute delegates proportionally. This dispute, if it continues, would not be ruled on until the August convention in Tampa.

"All the media counts right now give him all of Florida, which is against the rules, all of Arizona, which is against the rules, and all of Idaho," Gingrich said Monday. "Those are all three proportional states and they should only be counting his share. So he has to win 1,144 uncontested delegates."

FL: 50 delegates
ID: 32 delegates
AZ: 29 delegates

1 posted on 04/22/2012 3:45:34 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Yeah and....................


2 posted on 04/22/2012 3:47:18 AM PDT by ronnie raygun (B B)
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To: ronnie raygun

The big cheese gets half.

The conservatives get half.


3 posted on 04/22/2012 3:48:29 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

It proves that Romney is right back where he started from with support from only about half of republicans.

The half that like RINO’s.The half that follows the leadership and doesn’t have a clue.It’s not going to be easy to put this etch a sketch in office and what have we got if he gets there?


4 posted on 04/22/2012 3:59:36 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
I meant to comment on this last night when you posted it on another thread. I think this is where Newt and conservatives have to take the fight. It looks as though Romney would take this, but that is not the point! We have to do something as conservative to bring this GOPe house down and a perfect place to start is at the convention in Tampa!

Anything Newt can do to raise Cain is warranted and what you have pointed out here may be just the right justification for it.

Unfortunately, Newt said he wanted a unified party, well I don't and many conservatives do not want to "unify" with these appeasing prix! If Romney is the nominee it will be alright as long as the party is in shambles and shook up so bad it can't continue as it stands now!

5 posted on 04/22/2012 4:03:52 AM PDT by sirchtruth (Freedom is not free.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Can Santorum toss his delegates to Newt?

if so.. then we need to get to him and convince him


6 posted on 04/22/2012 4:26:20 AM PDT by Mr. K (If Romney wins the primary, I am writing-in PALIN)
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To: sirchtruth
Unfortunately, Newt said he wanted a unified party, well I don't and many conservatives do not want to "unify" with these appeasing prix! If Romney is the nominee it will be alright as long as the party is in shambles and shook up so bad it can't continue as it stands now!

I'll venture to say that Newt Gingrich means he wants conservatives to unify -- the GOP-e and their media are suggesting that Newt is divisive. That term more aptly applies to Mitt Romney.

7 posted on 04/22/2012 4:48:35 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Mr. K
Can Santorum toss his delegates to Newt?

Each state has their own rules about delegates at the convention (click on the state abbreviation to go to that state). The mess of rules makes me think of the old saying" "Figures don't lie but liars can figure."

There are "Hard" Delegates ............"The "hard count" is cumulative: that is, as each bloc of delegates from a given state or other jurisdiction is formally allocated to presidential contenders or "Uncommitted", that allocation is- in effect- "frozen" in time; the number of delegates allocated to each presidential contender or "Uncommitted" will, therefore, continue to add up as the pre-Convention process goes along. Even if a presidential contender already formally/officially allocated delegates should subsequently drop out of the nomination race and release his delegates (in which case, his delegates could conceivably support another contender or become "Uncommitted") or a formally "Uncommitted" delegate indicate his/her preference for a given presidential contender prior to the National Conventions, any delegates already allocated to a given contender (or formally "Uncommitted") will continue to be counted as allocated to that contender (or "Uncommitted") in the "hard count" of "The Green Papers"- for a change in the support for a presidential contender by (or the "uncommitted" status of) a delegate, once that delegate is formally allocated by the delegate selection procedures of a state party, does not become official until that delegate first casts a vote during the Roll Call of the States for the party's Presidential Nomination on the floor of that party's National Convention.".....

AND

"Soft pledged" and "Soft unpledged" Delegates ........" The "soft count", on the other hand, will reflect the support for each presidential contender by either Pledged or Unpledged delegates- whether formally allocated yet or not- as best can be estimated by "The Green Papers"; it could, conceivably change even day to day as presidential contenders might be forced out of the nomination race- perhaps releasing any delegates which might have already been formally allocated to them- or delegates once in the ranks of the "Uncommitted" might begin to indicate support of a given presidential contender even before the National Conventions convene this Summer! Delegates listed as "available" in the soft count, are "not yet estimated".

The differences between the two counts- "hard" and "soft"- will probably first become apparent in the differences between the first tier events in caucus/convention states and those states holding binding primaries (that is, primaries where the results of the voting itself directly affect delegate allocation). To take one early (and obvious) example, the Iowa precinct caucuses on Monday 24 January 2000 did not choose one single National Convention delegate in either major party (the first Democratic National Convention delegates were not formally allocated until early May; National Convention delegates from Iowa's GOP were not be formally allocated until a month thereafter!) but it might be possible to estimate the likely breakdown of the Iowa delegation to the major parties' National Conventions from an analysis of the voting in these Iowa caucuses. Any such estimate of the support of the delegates from Iowa to either National Convention would appear in the "soft count"- but NO Iowa delegates appeared in the "hard count" immediately after 24 January (the first delegates to appear in the "hard count" were those in each major party from New Hampshire, where the primary on Tuesday 1 February 2000 formally allocated National Convention delegates as a result of the voting in that primary)." Source

AND

Then there are "Super Delegates" that go to the election - usually state GOP party people, who can (in my opinion) sway the other delegates (and weight the vote) during a convention fight (push someone or block someone for whatever reason).

8 posted on 04/22/2012 5:02:49 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Question.

If a withdrawn candidate is voted delegates, are those bound on a first ballot to vote for a candidate that has already withdrawn?

This came up on another thread of yours, which I pinged you to.

Not that exact question in that form, but why or why not should Santorum people still vote for a withdrawn candidate, or rather, vote for a candidate still in the race?


9 posted on 04/22/2012 5:04:11 AM PDT by txrangerette ("HOLD TO THE TRUTH...SPEAK WITHOUT FEAR" - Glenn Beck)
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To: Mr. K

Mr. K, delegate rules aside, any second he wants to, Santorum could endorse Newt.

Now why do you suppose he won’t?


10 posted on 04/22/2012 5:08:05 AM PDT by txrangerette ("HOLD TO THE TRUTH...SPEAK WITHOUT FEAR" - Glenn Beck)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Would someone in the Show-Me please step forward and simplify this process ?
11 posted on 04/22/2012 5:28:34 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
I'll venture to say that Newt Gingrich means he wants conservatives to unify -- the GOP-e and their media are suggesting that Newt is divisive.

Well, let's just say Newt can lead and make this happened in the republican party. He just has to be BRAVE enough to do it, even if it means being absolutely DIVISIVE and losing.

Newt knows what the Idea Of American means more than anybody. The former Speaker has the leadership skills to move this insurrection forward. The ONLY way things will change and power is wrested from the GOPe is either a conservative wins outright and cleans house, OR enough conservatives cause strife, contention, and disputation bringing down the republican party causing it to have to rebuild again.

As it stands now RIP IT APART AND TEAR THAT MOTHER DOWN!!

12 posted on 04/22/2012 5:29:32 AM PDT by sirchtruth (Freedom is not free.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

This is the problem, though - because the MSM and the GOP-E are basically running a nonstop campaign of “Romney’s already won it, so it’s already over,” people who don’t pay attention or think for themselves are just assuming this to be true and will vote accordingly. We’re already seeing this from some folks even here on FR.


13 posted on 04/22/2012 5:31:16 AM PDT by Yashcheritsiy (Anybody but Obama and Romney)
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To: txrangerette
Now why do you suppose he won’t?

Santorum was never in to win it. He was merely in for long enough to split the conservative vote until it appeared that Romney had a lock, then he could use family as an excuse to withdraw.

14 posted on 04/22/2012 5:39:05 AM PDT by Yashcheritsiy (Anybody but Obama and Romney)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Saturday 21 April 2012 District Conventions
Contest Gingrich Paul Romney Santorum
  Pop
Vote
Del Pop
Vote
% Del Pop
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% Del Pop
Vote
% Del Pop
Vote
% Del
CD1   3           1     1     1
CD2   3                 1     2
CD3   3                 2     1
CD4   3                 3      
CD5   3           3            
CD6   3     1           1     1
CD7   3                 1     2
CD8   3                 3      
Delegates   24     1     4     12     7
  • Congressional District 1
    • Heather Coil (Paul)
    • Connie Eller (Santorum)
    • Tom Schweich (Romney)
  • Congressional District 2
    • Allen Icet (Santorum)
    • Phyllis Schlafly (Santorum)
    • Jim Talent (Romney)
  • Congressional District 3
    • Cody Baker (Romney)
    • Scott Dieckhaus (Romney)
    • Mitch Hubbard (Santorum)
  • Congressional District 4
    • Carla Young (Romney)
    • Bill Kartsonis (Romney)
    • Mary Ellen Snider (Romney)
  • Congressional District 5
    • Mark Anthony Jones (Paul)
    • Ralph Munyan (Paul)
    • Paul Trask (Paul)
  • Congressional District 6
    • Jim Willis (Romney)
    • Jim Rooney (Gingrich)
    • Matt Johnson (Santorum)
  • Congressional District 7
    • Gordon Kinne (Romney)
    • John Putnam (Santorum)
    • Patsy Wilcox (Santorum)
  • Congressional District 8
    • Scott R Clark (Romney)
    • Jason Smith (Romney)
    • David Courtway (Romney)

15 posted on 04/22/2012 5:40:19 AM PDT by deport (.............God Bless Texas............)
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To: Yashcheritsiy

Santorum was never in to win it. He was merely in for long enough to split the conservative vote until it appeared that Romney had a lock, then he could use family as an excuse to withdraw.

Prove it, Yash?

I didn’t think so...just another attack on Rick. Don’t you have anything better to talk about?


16 posted on 04/22/2012 6:03:01 AM PDT by Mountain Mary ("We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors. We borrow it from our children" Native American P.)
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To: deport

My district was the only one with a Gingrich delegate! Very interesting.


17 posted on 04/22/2012 6:07:17 AM PDT by Marie Antoinette (Newt Gingrich 2012 - The Man With a Plan)
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To: deport

My district was the only one with a Gingrich delegate! Very interesting.


18 posted on 04/22/2012 6:07:19 AM PDT by Marie Antoinette (Newt Gingrich 2012 - The Man With a Plan)
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To: Marie Antoinette

Sorry for the stuttering. LOL!


19 posted on 04/22/2012 6:08:51 AM PDT by Marie Antoinette (Newt Gingrich 2012 - The Man With a Plan)
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To: Marie Antoinette

Yep, CDs 1 & 6 divided equally among three candidates....


20 posted on 04/22/2012 6:13:55 AM PDT by deport (.............God Bless Texas............)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

Sure glad I participated in the “$7 million beauty contest!” Makes me feel like I accomplished something! /s


21 posted on 04/22/2012 6:17:21 AM PDT by donozark (The key to winning the Vietnam War was not Vietnam, but Laos...)
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To: Yashcheritsiy
.....This is the problem, though - because the MSM and the GOP-E are basically running a nonstop campaign of “Romney’s already won it, so it’s already over,” people who don’t pay attention or think for themselves are just assuming this to be true and will vote accordingl

Or they won't bother to go - I call that a window of opportunity.

22 posted on 04/22/2012 6:21:56 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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23 posted on 04/22/2012 7:51:16 AM PDT by RedMDer (https://support.woundedwarriorproject.org/default.aspx?tsid=93)
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To: deport

Now you know why Missouri has a democrat governor and the witch (dem) Claire McCaskill as senator. Sure we have Roy Blunt but he needs to move further to the right too.


24 posted on 04/22/2012 8:11:50 AM PDT by katiedidit1 ("This is one race of people for whom psychoanalysis is of no use whatsoever." the Irish)
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To: txrangerette
Mr. K, delegate rules aside, any second he wants to, Santorum could endorse Newt. Now why do you suppose he won’t?

Cap and Trade, maybe. Why endorse someone who sat on a couch with Nancy for that monstrosity? Might as well endorse the frontrunner if there's no difference between the candidates on the most unconstitutional issue.

Cap and Trade is Taxation Without Representation which left only Santorum, Perry, Cain, and Bachmann for me to vote for since those four always opposed it. Since they're all out I'm going to have to look to Goode, see what he's all about. I voted for the CP platform in 2004 instead of McCain, If Goode is a conservative maybe I can actually support the candidate along with the platform this time.

25 posted on 04/22/2012 8:30:25 AM PDT by Partisan Gunslinger
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To: Partisan Gunslinger

2008 I meant. Time flies.


26 posted on 04/22/2012 8:33:52 AM PDT by Partisan Gunslinger
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Or they won't bother to go - I call that a window of opportunity.

Sometimes that might work, sometimes it won't. This strategy probably wouldn't work here in NC, where we have a big drawing referendum (the marriage amendment) that will pull scads of voters out regardless of who they're GOP primary choice is.

27 posted on 04/22/2012 9:40:27 AM PDT by Yashcheritsiy (Anybody but Obama and Romney)
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To: Yashcheritsiy

What are you talking about?

If Newt dropped out, when he saw he wasn’t winning the contests, Rick Santorum could have been the nominee, rather than Romney.

Newt helped Romney get the nomination, even after Romney did this to him:

“Romney insists on trying to destroy Newt Gingrich over the same false, trumped-up ethics charges just like Democrats did. He’s acting exactly like a power hungry Democrat who is willing to say anything to get elected ..”
excerpt http://www.therightscoop.com/new-romney-ad-smears-newt-over-old-ethics-charges/

Romney joins the Dems, with their trumped up charges, even though Newt was found innocent of the charges, but yet, Newt helped Romney. How ironic.


28 posted on 04/22/2012 12:12:13 PM PDT by Sun (Pray that God sends us good leaders. Please say a prayer now.)
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To: Sun

I’m talking about the fact that Santorum never had any business being in there in the first place, since he’s not a conservative, yet he was able to gyp a lot of conservatives into voting for him. Santorum was just another establishment good-boy, helping the RINO to get the win, just like he did back with Arlen Specter.


29 posted on 04/22/2012 2:34:08 PM PDT by Yashcheritsiy (Anybody but Obama and Romney)
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To: Yashcheritsiy
Your lame obtuse opinion of Santorum not being a conservative is not only laughed off as ludicrous BS by the majority of conservatives who voted for him but by big conservative poobahs like Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh and Mark Levin who never call him anything BUT conservative...

...but then, what is the overwhelming majority conservative view compared to YOURS?

LOL

30 posted on 04/22/2012 2:43:35 PM PDT by Happy Rain (VOTE FOR OBAMA OR HE WILL EAT YOUR DOG!!!)
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To: Yashcheritsiy

Too bad you, and others, didn’t do your research, but it’s too late now. It’s going to be Romney.

But here’s Santorum’s record:

“American Conservative Union — 88%
National Right to Life Committee — 100%
Americans for Tax Reform — 95%
National Tax Limitation Committee — 92%
U.S. Chamber of Commerce — 88%
League of Private Property Voters — 94%”

http://www.redstate.com/wosg/2012/01/06/rick-santorum-yes-he-is-a-true-conservative/


31 posted on 04/22/2012 3:25:05 PM PDT by Sun (Pray that God sends us good leaders. Please say a prayer now.)
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To: Yashcheritsiy

I’ll forgive Newt for endorsing RINO Dede Scozzavave in NY’s 23rd district, if you’ll forgive Rick Santorum for his mistakes (or perceived mistakes).

We should not hold that alone against Newt, but we also shouldn’t expect Santorum to be perfect either.

ALSO, Santorum endorsed Dede Scozzavave’s OPPONENT, CONSERVATIVE Doug Hoffman.

NEXT, let’s look at Rick Santorum’s REASON for endorsing Specter:

“The Truth Regarding Santorum’s Endorsement of Arlen Specter
October 12, 2011
“The reason I endorsed Arlen Specter is because we were going to have two Supreme Court nominees coming up,” said Santorum. “I got a commitment from Arlen Specter that no matter who George W. Bush would nominate, he would support that nominee.”

excerpt http://blog.lisagraas.com/2011/10/12/the-truth-regarding-santorums-endorsement-of-arlen-specter/

Santorum said Alito would not be a Justice if it weren’t for Specter. Specter was very effective at being the head of the Judicial Committee.

OK, now it’s YOUR TURN. Care to tell me why Newt endorsed Dede Scozzavave?


32 posted on 04/22/2012 3:29:00 PM PDT by Sun (Pray that God sends us good leaders. Please say a prayer now.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Lots of mormons in Missouri. Gonna be there to greet Jesus when he returns.

Mormons Believe That Christ's Return Will be Missouri

33 posted on 04/22/2012 3:33:58 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 (I do not expect the (FR) house to fall - but I do expect it will cease to be divided-Jim Robinson)
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To: Partisan Gunslinger; txrangerette
Video Newt Rips Gore's 'Facts' To Pieces 2009 Newt testifying on Climate Change before Congress.
34 posted on 04/23/2012 2:15:06 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Sun

Arlen Specter (it would seem) is a man who is for sale.

He works for those who give him the best deal.

Now he’s working in comedy clubs making jokes about past associates.

It’s “proven.” Arlen Specter is a jerk.


35 posted on 04/23/2012 2:23:31 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
He didn't deny climate change, just that warmer temps wouldn't be so bad.

I want someone who will come out and say this is a fraud, an attempt to unconstitutionally tax the American people to send our capital overseas, like Santorum did.

36 posted on 04/23/2012 3:06:11 PM PDT by Partisan Gunslinger
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To: Partisan Gunslinger

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2875508/posts


37 posted on 04/23/2012 3:17:45 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

“....It’s “proven.” Arlen Specter is a jerk.”

I agree with you on that.


38 posted on 04/23/2012 10:31:00 PM PDT by Sun (Pray that God sends us good leaders. Please say a prayer now.)
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